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desifemlove wrote:https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2017/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/scores
so then, what value do these unis have, and are they valued in the world?
desifemlove wrote:https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2017/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/scores
so then, what value do these unis have, and are they valued in the world?
EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:Isn't UWI's Engineering degrees Triple Accredited internationally?
In which case the actual University ranking shouldn't matter. UWI Degrees are supposed to be accepted anywhere in the world.
If you look at past exam papers for the Engineering degrees at UWI you will find it is on the same level as any top first world state University.
In Comparison UTT is more like A levels its nowhere near what it takes to get a degree from UWI.
maj. tom wrote:yes it's quite possible with work experience and luminating the interview properly. That's why there are interviews. Admissions/HR would accept the qualifications if they meet what they want.
Degrees are basic qualifications for the job. They don't always care about where you went (once it's accredited) or your GPA necessarily. The employer is going to ask about projects, research, work experience, innovative ideas, working with a team, problem solving, etc.
maj. tom wrote:yes it's quite possible with work experience and luminating the interview properly. That's why there are interviews. Admissions/HR would accept the qualifications if they meet what they want.
Degrees are basic qualifications for the job. They don't always care about where you went (once it's accredited) or your GPA necessarily. The employer is going to ask about projects, research, work experience, innovative ideas, working with a team, problem solving, etc.
EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:This is why the Degree Accreditation and Work Experience means everything, University ranking means little.
bluefete wrote:EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:This is why the Degree Accreditation and Work Experience means everything, University ranking means little.
Go tell that to Harvard, Yale, Cambridge, Oxford and others.
bluefete wrote:http://www.webometrics.info/en/Americas/Caribbean
UWI - St. Augustine is ranked #1,849 globally (2017)
UWI - Jamaica is ranked #1,086 globally
USC is ranked 6,432 globally
UTT is ranked #6,979 globally
ALJ GSB is ranked #10,187 globally
Redress10 wrote:desifemlove wrote:https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2017/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/scores
so then, what value do these unis have, and are they valued in the world?
That's a loaded question. UWI/UTT will never ever be on any of these lists simply because UWI/UTT isn't widely regarded worldwide. No one leaves from Saudi Arabia/ Australia etc to attain a degree from the University of the West Indies. They do for degrees in the UK, Europe and USA. Anyone who has ever been to a top university overseas would tell you that it is a life changing and eye opening experience. Those universities prepare you for global employment.
Now the funny thing is...University of London consists of London School of Economics, University College London, King's College which rank, 15, 25 and 36 globally.
EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:maj. tom wrote:yes it's quite possible with work experience and luminating the interview properly. That's why there are interviews. Admissions/HR would accept the qualifications if they meet what they want.
Degrees are basic qualifications for the job. They don't always care about where you went (once it's accredited) or your GPA necessarily. The employer is going to ask about projects, research, work experience, innovative ideas, working with a team, problem solving, etc.
Exactly! you hit the nail on the head.EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:The job requires say a BSc in Electrical Engineering, you bring your UWI degree and someone brings his University of London Degree. Both degrees are very highly accredited by the best bodies in the world. Say you have the better experience, you actually worked in the specific field and you fit the requirements that the other guy do not have there is a better chance that you will get the job with your UWI degree.
That's only if the job exists in Trinidad. Your Uwi degree isn't going to get a second look. They wouldn't care about accreditation etc. All they would care about is how "good" the university is. You do realise that the people granting accreditation would have been graduates of some of the best universities in the world and not uwi etc...They would favour what they know. Experience don't mean squat in that instance because you wouldn't have better experience than someone who went Oxbridge etc...Their career trajectory would be better than yours. They don't leave university needing a job. Most jobs and contracts are signed 2 years etc in advance. By second year, they already have an idea what company they going to work for and this is not "J and J and sons contracting", these are reputable organisations.EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:The most important thing is the accreditation that the degree comes with, UWI "engineering degrees" have triple accreditation from Canada, USA and Germany. There are many Universities in the USA that doesn't even have the kind of accreditation that UWI degrees have.
That means squat..That doesn't mean that they will look favourably on the candidate either. You may be using the term "university" lightly. If you realise with the rankings, not all "universities" in the USA made the list. We are not dealing with those ones. We are only dealing with the highly reputable ones.EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:The actual University means little, which is why UTT likes to brag about their "university" being accredited but try to hide the fact that their Electrical Degrees won't even be accepted by T&TEC.
EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:bluefete wrote:EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:This is why the Degree Accreditation and Work Experience means everything, University ranking means little.
Go tell that to Harvard, Yale, Cambridge, Oxford and others.
I guarantee you if someone from Harvard with a Computer Science degree and someone from UWI with a Computer Science degree both go for a job interview. And the UWI graduate passes the programming test and the Harvard grad fails it the UWI grad will get the job. If the Harvard grad has no experience and the UWI grad has the experience the UWI grad will get the job.
This is not to say that Harvard, MIT and Oxford isn't the most recognized offcourse they are, very few on this planet will ever have the grades to enter those Universities.
Some of the best computer scientists out here right now have things like degrees in theater.
https://barryrountree.files.wordpress.c ... /vitae.pdf
This guy is one of the best Computer Scientists in High-performance computing, parallel debugging tools. He is better than most Harvard grads few can dream of coming close to him and his Bsc is in theater and his Phd is computer science from University of Arizona.
Experience and Skill beats a degree from the best University anyday, a degree is only a ticket to an interview to get past HR and every employer knows this.
worksux101 wrote:Redress10 wrote:desifemlove wrote:https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2017/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/scores
so then, what value do these unis have, and are they valued in the world?
That's a loaded question. UWI/UTT will never ever be on any of these lists simply because UWI/UTT isn't widely regarded worldwide. No one leaves from Saudi Arabia/ Australia etc to attain a degree from the University of the West Indies. They do for degrees in the UK, Europe and USA. Anyone who has ever been to a top university overseas would tell you that it is a life changing and eye opening experience. Those universities prepare you for global employment.
Now the funny thing is...University of London consists of London School of Economics, University College London, King's College which rank, 15, 25 and 36 globally.
It also consists of LSHTM, which won Times' Higher Education University of the Year, together with over a dozen others...that in and of itself is irrelevant...UOL is just a body of unis, so the clown comparing a UOL degree to UWI clearly doesnt know much...saying accreditation is what matters also shows both a lack of experience and knowledge on the subject.
UWI is rated poorly overall because they have many degrees that are rubbish performers - graduates from mthope, lok jak and geosci are considered fairly highly abroad. Because our system is utterly corrupt and poorly managed doesnt mean said persons would struggle elsewhere; they just choose to keep the comfort of home.
What keeps prestige prestigious is not just the quality of training but the discipline required firstly to get in and secondly to keep at the standard required...that is reflected in the willingness to help their own - the career departments in these schools find you the best of jobs, and it goes full circle whereby in the future you're likely to give someone from your alumnus a chance because you are familiar with the dedication required for their journey.
Comparing a degree given through a third party via distance programmes to a school's ranking is also quite silly, and why said programmes are rarely well regarded. Very few care about accreditation on the global job market - if you're good enough, you're trained to fit the bill. UWI eng students can have whatever accreditation theyd like to think they have - they struggle abroad unless they get scooped by a major company operating nearby (of which tnt has been blessed with many) who then train accordingly, which gives them a platform upon which to build. Rankings are also not focused on how many jobs are attained etc...these people arent stupd and cater for fluctuations in the job market...the quality of the work produced from graduates years down the line have a larger influence. Also, its not just the students' perception of the programme but the school's response that plays a large role. To discount these rankings and act as if they have no influence would be downright silly.
EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:^ I am talking about Engineering and Science Degrees.
Off course UWI has garbage degrees I am fully aware of that. Offcourse they are dropping their entry requirements for a number of degrees that are not even accredited internationally. I have been very specific with my wording with regards to Engineering and Computer Science degrees from UWI, the engineering which are triple accredited.
My uncle did his PHd in Physics at Oxford using his UWI degrees to gain entry. Only a fool would think UWI is some sort of backwater 3rd world University. Just because some degrees are sheit at UWI doesn't mean all are.
EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:^ you do realize I am just using it as an exmple to show you that the being qualified doesn't just mean just simply having a degree from the best University, right? you do realize that some of the best programmers in the world never even went to a University and are entirely self taught, right?
I am simply pointing out that Experience/ Skill combined with a lower ranked University can often give you the edge over someone from a higher ranked university and less experience or skill, this isn't difficult to understand and it isn't rocket science.
Case in point is this guy Barry
https://barryrountree.files.wordpress.c ... /vitae.pdf
One of the best computer scientists in the world, few even from MIT and harvard can come close to him and he never went to any fancy University.
Infact the Father of the Intel Pentium chip came from a 3rd world University in India. He was hired by Intel after all the Harvard and Yale graduates failed to do the job, soo much for "fancy University means everything"
Redress10 wrote:That is not what we going on about. Moving forward in his life, his uwi degree would now be trumped by the phd from oxford. He could apply anywhere in the world. Anyone in the world would recognise an Oxford graduate and what they are capable of. We are talking about global recognition. Two uwi grads apply globally for a job. One has a masters from uwi and the other a masters from oxford. Which one do you think would be looked on more favourably?
EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:Redress10 wrote:That is not what we going on about. Moving forward in his life, his uwi degree would now be trumped by the phd from oxford. He could apply anywhere in the world. Anyone in the world would recognise an Oxford graduate and what they are capable of. We are talking about global recognition. Two uwi grads apply globally for a job. One has a masters from uwi and the other a masters from oxford. Which one do you think would be looked on more favourably?
Surely it will be Oxford if its exactly that. Both out of school and no experience
And I NEVER said UWI was better than Oxford but if you look at the curriculum, of their Engineering program its much better than many universities in the US. Even better compare the past exam papers and you will see often UWI's exams are much harder than many US universities. Atleast in engineering that is I can't speak for the rest because I never compared other papers.
However life is far more complex than that, if you are going for a job in science and engineering field, who do you think will be hired the one from the best University of the one from a lesser University but has actually made a significant contribution to the field of science by inventing something new or solving a problem that nobody else could?
Let me ask it in another way lets say a guy from UWI cured cancer, he and another guy from Oxford went for a job in that same medical research field who do you think will get the job?
But to answer your question offcourse the same degree from Oxford is better than UWI.
I prefer to compare UWI to US state Universities, not comparing it to the best in the world.
Redress10 wrote:worksux101 wrote:Redress10 wrote:desifemlove wrote:https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2017/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/scores
so then, what value do these unis have, and are they valued in the world?
That's a loaded question. UWI/UTT will never ever be on any of these lists simply because UWI/UTT isn't widely regarded worldwide. No one leaves from Saudi Arabia/ Australia etc to attain a degree from the University of the West Indies. They do for degrees in the UK, Europe and USA. Anyone who has ever been to a top university overseas would tell you that it is a life changing and eye opening experience. Those universities prepare you for global employment.
Now the funny thing is...University of London consists of London School of Economics, University College London, King's College which rank, 15, 25 and 36 globally.
It also consists of LSHTM, which won Times' Higher Education University of the Year, together with over a dozen others...that in and of itself is irrelevant...UOL is just a body of unis, so the clown comparing a UOL degree to UWI clearly doesnt know much...saying accreditation is what matters also shows both a lack of experience and knowledge on the subject.
UWI is rated poorly overall because they have many degrees that are rubbish performers - graduates from mthope, lok jak and geosci are considered fairly highly abroad. Because our system is utterly corrupt and poorly managed doesnt mean said persons would struggle elsewhere; they just choose to keep the comfort of home.
What keeps prestige prestigious is not just the quality of training but the discipline required firstly to get in and secondly to keep at the standard required...that is reflected in the willingness to help their own - the career departments in these schools find you the best of jobs, and it goes full circle whereby in the future you're likely to give someone from your alumnus a chance because you are familiar with the dedication required for their journey.
Comparing a degree given through a third party via distance programmes to a school's ranking is also quite silly, and why said programmes are rarely well regarded. Very few care about accreditation on the global job market - if you're good enough, you're trained to fit the bill. UWI eng students can have whatever accreditation theyd like to think they have - they struggle abroad unless they get scooped by a major company operating nearby (of which tnt has been blessed with many) who then train accordingly, which gives them a platform upon which to build. Rankings are also not focused on how many jobs are attained etc...these people arent stupd and cater for fluctuations in the job market...the quality of the work produced from graduates years down the line have a larger influence. Also, its not just the students' perception of the programme but the school's response that plays a large role. To discount these rankings and act as if they have no influence would be downright silly.
I wasn't going to list all UOL schools just the ones that were high up on the list. Those are the ones involved in the LLb degree etc that are offered here at home. It's common knowledge that UOL is just an umbrella term it isn't an actual university. I would know, I studied there.
"UWI is rated poorly because of rubbish degrees and rubbish performers"? Ha, do you honestly believe that when compiling these list, people actually consider UWI and its "rubbish degrees and rubbish performers?" LMAO
I think the graduates do well abroad because they are brilliant people. We have brilliant people here at home. I honestly believe that UWI as an institution is poor, both financially and academically. I am in no way saying that the people are not capable of performing once given the opportunity etc. It's the opportunity that may be lacking due to possessing only a uwi degree. Remember, you are competing globally, I know people with MBA's from OXbridge and it's been smooth sailing. I also know ppl who went ALGSB and they signing up for OJT.
The UOL degree programmes are not done through a "3rd party". Gate just made it appear so. The universities has no ties with local institutions. Their ties are only with the student undertaking the study. All students on campus and distance learning, study the exact same syllabus and sit the exact same exam at the exact same time. Exams in the UK are done around 1:00pm and exams in Trinidad are done around 9:00 am. There is nothing on the degree that says "distance learning" or "done through 3rd party". If it's available students can also seamlessly transfer to campus if they want.
EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:Redress10 wrote:That is not what we going on about. Moving forward in his life, his uwi degree would now be trumped by the phd from oxford. He could apply anywhere in the world. Anyone in the world would recognise an Oxford graduate and what they are capable of. We are talking about global recognition. Two uwi grads apply globally for a job. One has a masters from uwi and the other a masters from oxford. Which one do you think would be looked on more favourably?
Surely it will be Oxford if its exactly that. Both out of school and no experience
And I NEVER said UWI was better than Oxford but if you look at the curriculum, of their Engineering program its much better than many universities in the US. Even better compare the past exam papers and you will see often UWI's exams are much harder than many US universities. Atleast in engineering that is I can't speak for the rest because I never compared other papers.
However life is far more complex than that, if you are going for a job in science and engineering field, who do you think will be hired the one from the best University of the one from a lesser University but has actually made a significant contribution to the field of science by inventing something new or solving a problem that nobody else could?
Let me ask it in another way lets say a guy from UWI cured cancer, he and another guy from Oxford went for a job in that same medical research field who do you think will get the job?
But to answer your question offcourse the same degree from Oxford is better than UWI.
I prefer to compare UWI to US state Universities, not comparing it to the best in the world.
Redress10 wrote:desifemlove wrote:https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2017/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/scores
so then, what value do these unis have, and are they valued in the world?
That's a loaded question. UWI/UTT will never ever be on any of these lists simply because UWI/UTT isn't widely regarded worldwide. No one leaves from Saudi Arabia/ Australia etc to attain a degree from the University of the West Indies. They do for degrees in the UK, Europe and USA. Anyone who has ever been to a top university overseas would tell you that it is a life changing and eye opening experience. Those universities prepare you for global employment.
Now the funny thing is...University of London consists of London School of Economics, University College London, King's College which rank, 15, 25 and 36 globally.
bluefete wrote:http://www.webometrics.info/en/Americas/Caribbean
UWI - St. Augustine is ranked #1,849 globally (2017)
UWI - Jamaica is ranked #1,086 globally
USC is ranked 6,432 globally
UTT is ranked #6,979 globally
ALJ GSB is ranked #10,187 globally
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