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zoom rader wrote:Bull chitbluefete wrote:Atheism, by definition, is a religious view.
Religion comes from the Latin word - religare - (re-back; ligare - to bind).
This means that one is bound to one's belief which guide one's actions.
Religion includes the belief that there is no supernatural realm.
Isaac Asimov - was an atheist "who believed that the universe is comprehensible within the bounds of natural law."
Does it not take belief to believe that the universe started with a big bang? Was anyone of us there to see it? If we were not, why do so many people believe what we never saw?
MGMan: Isn't that much like believing in God?
Atheism is a non profit organisation
All religion live off of money
matr1x wrote:MaxPower wrote:matr1x wrote:Max powers probably have no one that loves him
Religious holidays are like religious people apologies for being little c****t
You implying that you love me?
You got that from my post?
mero wrote:matr1x wrote:MaxPower wrote:matr1x wrote:Max powers probably have no one that loves him
Religious holidays are like religious people apologies for being little c****t
You implying that you love me?
You got that from my post?
Silly Nal1ni, he is implying that you are a nobody, but you too stupid to know that lmao
bluefete wrote:Atheism, by definition, is a religious view.
Religion comes from the Latin word - religare - (re-back; ligare - to bind).
This means that one is bound to one's belief which guide one's actions.
Religion includes the belief that there is no supernatural realm.
Isaac Asimov - was an atheist "who believed that the universe is comprehensible within the bounds of natural law."
Does it not take belief to believe that the universe started with a big bang? Was anyone of us there to see it? If we were not, why do so many people believe what we never saw? Evidence and proof.
MGMan: Isn't that much like believing in God? Where is the non-circumstantial evidence and proof for God?
Slartibartfast wrote:bluefete wrote:Atheism, by definition, is a religious view.
Religion comes from the Latin word - religare - (re-back; ligare - to bind).
This means that one is bound to one's belief which guide one's actions.
Religion includes the belief that there is no supernatural realm.
Isaac Asimov - was an atheist "who believed that the universe is comprehensible within the bounds of natural law."
Does it not take belief to believe that the universe started with a big bang? Was anyone of us there to see it? If we were not, why do so many people believe what we never saw? Evidence and proof.
MGMan: Isn't that much like believing in God? Where is the non-circumstantial evidence and proof for God?
Quick question bluefete.... what word/s would you use to describe someone that lives independently of God?
Secular/ secularist?
Humanist?
Secular humanist?
I only ask because I find that a lot of the arguments about Atheism stem from semantics instead of the actual belief/ lack thereof.
So, let's say that God has as much of an impact on me as unicorns have on you. I don't believe that God exists and you (correct me if I am wrong) don't believe that unicorns exist. I don't attribute any importance to God and you (again correct me if I am wrong) don't attribute any importance to unicorns. I live my life completely independent of God and you (I hope) live your life completely independent of unicorns. My morality is not based off God and your morality is (sadly) not based of unicorns. I may think about God from time to time and you (really should) probably think about unicorns as well but God and the idea of God is ultimately of no consequence to me and unicorns (again correct me if I am wrong) are of no consequence to you.
Now how would you describe my lack of a belief in God in a way that is comparable to your lack of belief in unicorns? If unicorn is a bad example you can replace it with something else more misaligned to your beliefs.
eitech wrote:Apologies for hijacking your question but i will loan you my 0.02c : Firstly i understand what ur tryin to mean by “independently” so i will answer in that regard. I prefer the term “unbelievers”. Simple as that.
Secondly, no one lives independently of God. It might seem so to you but he doesn’t wish for anyone to perish and tries to reach out to you in all sorts of ways. But the more you harden ur heart, the more distant you move. God doesn’t hide from man, it’s man who hides from God.
Thirdly, i am pretty sure you don’t believe in unicorns either but i see what you did there. Lol. Your lack of belief in God and unicorns comes from a lack of scientific proof. I”ll support you as far as unicorns go. What unbelievers fail to grasp is that once you exercise that faith FIRST, only then u realise what is the truth. I’ve come to realize it’s so simple yet so complex for the unbeliever.
maj. tom wrote:eitech wrote:Apologies for hijacking your question but i will loan you my 0.02c : Firstly i understand what ur tryin to mean by “independently” so i will answer in that regard. I prefer the term “unbelievers”. Simple as that.
Secondly, no one lives independently of God. It might seem so to you but he doesn’t wish for anyone to perish and tries to reach out to you in all sorts of ways. But the more you harden ur heart, the more distant you move. God doesn’t hide from man, it’s man who hides from God.
Thirdly, i am pretty sure you don’t believe in unicorns either but i see what you did there. Lol. Your lack of belief in God and unicorns comes from a lack of scientific proof. I”ll support you as far as unicorns go. What unbelievers fail to grasp is that once you exercise that faith FIRST, only then u realise what is the truth. I’ve come to realize it’s so simple yet so complex for the unbeliever.
So just because you don't believe in the Great Crab Baboo in invisible outer space you're an unbeliever. You need to have faith in his delicious curry butter to understand him ok.
Let's do a thought experiment please. Imagine you are born 5000 years in the future. We have such amazing technology and wonders of medicine and science and deep space exploration. All discovered and done by man, through centuries of hard work and our own spilt blood. And in such a time when you were growing up as a child, no one told you about God. Anything you wanted to know, we more or less know how most of the natural world works and could explain almost every observable phenomena with a proper understanding of the basic structure of matter and energy. And your parents tell you everything you need to know, every question your expanding mind wants to understand, because humanity understands a lot more that we know now, down to the limits of probability of entropy.
And no one ever one told you about God.
How do you discover God on your own? How are you going to discover what faith in God is? Not faith in gravity, not faith in the sunrise every morning. Faith in God. That you don't know exists. Just tell me. Please tell me that you have the capacity to do such a thought experiment. And that in all your life you have actually had a thought outside of the brainwashing that was given to your from your birth.
Share the results of the thought experiment with us please.
To further the experiment a bit more, pretend that you visit the museum-library 5000 years in the future, and you encounter ancient writings: the Bible. And you read it, and can't understand how this was something people understood 5000 years before and truly believed in. Just like how we read ancient Greek and Roman history and classical literature today about all their Gods and temples and worship that they truly believed in 2000 years ago. What would you really think of those stories in 5000 years?
maj. tom wrote:Hmm, ok I see. I'm not going to ridicule your awkward went over your head reply because I believe that you actually did try the thought experiment. And you telling me to read the 2300 pages before is one of those typical lame beaten replies people give as a default when they're stuck. Why don't you read them and you would see everything is repeated every 10 pages? You encountered a block in your psychology. It's quite common and ALL of us experience cognitive dissonance at some point over some stuck ideas that we have.
I do hope that you can start a very daring journey of critical analysis of the world around you by continuing such thought experiments.
https://www.simplypsychology.org/cognit ... nance.html
Kasey wrote:Its how the fanatics respond when they cant properly articulate a sensible response. Name calling, attacking personality traits, and saying, "go back and read".
Circular logic: the bible says its right, so it has to be right.
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FordeG wrote:Kasey wrote:Its how the fanatics respond when they cant properly articulate a sensible response. Name calling, attacking personality traits, and saying, "go back and read".
Circular logic: the bible says its right, so it has to be right.
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If you cannot see the difference between the Koran and a napkin then you deserve hell for your stupidity.
The Koran is a book that billions have and will follow, our entire morality and viewpoint of the model is shaped from the Allah inspired Koran. We owe almost everything we have to this so called 'fairy' tale.
You all remind me of one of those privildged spoil children, who succeeded in life all on their own. They forget it had anything to do with being rich, going to good schools, prayer to Allah, their parents sacrifices. No, everything they have now, they 'earned' it and owe none else.
FordeG wrote:Kasey wrote:Its how the fanatics respond when they cant properly articulate a sensible response. Name calling, attacking personality traits, and saying, "go back and read".
Circular logic: the bible says its right, so it has to be right.
napkin.jpg
If you cannot see the difference between the Bhagavad Gita and a napkin then you deserve hell for your stupidity.
The Bhagavad Gita is a book that billions have and will follow, our entire morality and viewpoint of the model is shaped from the Bramha inspired Bhagavad Gita . We owe almost everything we have to this so called 'fairy' tale.
You all remind me of one of those privildged spoil children, who succeeded in life all on their own. They forget it had anything to do with being rich, going to good schools, prayer to Bramha, their parents sacrifices. No, everything they have now, they 'earned' it and owe none else.
FordeG wrote:Kasey wrote:Its how the fanatics respond when they cant properly articulate a sensible response. Name calling, attacking personality traits, and saying, "go back and read".
Circular logic: the bible says its right, so it has to be right.
napkin.jpg
If you cannot see the difference between the Bible and a napkin then you deserve hell for your stupidity.
The Bible is a book that billions have and will follow, our entire morality and viewpoint of the model is shaped from the God inspired Bible. We owe almost everything we have to this so called 'fairy' tale.
You all remind me of one of those privildged spoil children, who succeeded in life all on their own. They forget it had anything to do with being rich, going to good schools, prayer to God, their parents sacrifices. No, everything they have now, they 'earned' it and owe none else.
Dizzy28 wrote:FordeG wrote:Kasey wrote:Its how the fanatics respond when they cant properly articulate a sensible response. Name calling, attacking personality traits, and saying, "go back and read".
Circular logic: the bible says its right, so it has to be right.
napkin.jpg
If you cannot see the difference between the Bible and a napkin then you deserve hell for your stupidity.
The Bible is a book that billions have and will follow, our entire morality and viewpoint of the model is shaped from the God inspired Bible. We owe almost everything we have to this so called 'fairy' tale.
You all remind me of one of those privildged spoil children, who succeeded in life all on their own. They forget it had anything to do with being rich, going to good schools, prayer to God, their parents sacrifices. No, everything they have now, they 'earned' it and owe none else.
Setting aside the Atheists, agnostics and the like for now there are Billions of Hindus, Buddhists and persons of other non Abrahamic religions? Generally their societies function, they are not running amok killing (any more than Christians, Jews and Muslims) all wily nily and they have lots of thriving individuals - think Lakshmi Mittal, the Ambanis, Ju Yung (Hyundai chaebol) etc.
If it is possible to function as a normal human being with proper morals and ethics without the "book" then that "book" can't be that important to start with
Christianty has probably done more to keep back human progress in the past thousand years than anything else. Think crusades, inquisition, papal sanctioned colonization and genocide of native populations.FordeG wrote:Dizzy28 wrote:FordeG wrote:Kasey wrote:Its how the fanatics respond when they cant properly articulate a sensible response. Name calling, attacking personality traits, and saying, "go back and read".
Circular logic: the bible says its right, so it has to be right.
napkin.jpg
If you cannot see the difference between the Bible and a napkin then you deserve hell for your stupidity.
The Bible is a book that billions have and will follow, our entire morality and viewpoint of the model is shaped from the God inspired Bible. We owe almost everything we have to this so called 'fairy' tale.
You all remind me of one of those privildged spoil children, who succeeded in life all on their own. They forget it had anything to do with being rich, going to good schools, prayer to God, their parents sacrifices. No, everything they have now, they 'earned' it and owe none else.
Setting aside the Atheists, agnostics and the like for now there are Billions of Hindus, Buddhists and persons of other non Abrahamic religions? Generally their societies function, they are not running amok killing (any more than Christians, Jews and Muslims) all wily nily and they have lots of thriving individuals - think Lakshmi Mittal, the Ambanis, Ju Yung (Hyundai chaebol) etc.
If it is possible to function as a normal human being with proper morals and ethics without the "book" then that "book" can't be that important to start with
Have you ever seen what goes on in these countries? People have no moral compass, they are corrupt, schemish thrives. God will deal with them, it is funny you brought them up like I'm supposed to 'see' that places can function without Christianity.
Christianity has been the greatest gift to humanity. The evidence is so obvious yet many of you fail to see it.
FordeG wrote:Kasey wrote:Its how the fanatics respond when they cant properly articulate a sensible response. Name calling, attacking personality traits, and saying, "go back and read".
Circular logic: the bible says its right, so it has to be right.
napkin.jpg
If you cannot see the difference between the Bible and a napkin then you deserve hell for your stupidity.
The Bible is a book that billions have and will follow, our entire morality and viewpoint of the model is shaped from the God inspired Bible. We owe almost everything we have to this so called 'fairy' tale.
You all remind me of one of those privildged spoil children, who succeeded in life all on their own. They forget it had anything to do with being rich, going to good schools, prayer to God, their parents sacrifices. No, everything they have now, they 'earned' it and owe none else.
FordeG wrote:You all haven't read the Bible. There is not evil condoned by God.
Also I was saying a 17 year old is not a child, she is a fully developed woman. Only our legal system makes them a minor, at that age they not stupid trust me. To think having sex with a conscenting 17 year old is rape is ludicrous. It's immoral, but let's use the word rape correctly please.
eitech wrote:Slartibartfast wrote:bluefete wrote:Atheism, by definition, is a religious view.
Religion comes from the Latin word - religare - (re-back; ligare - to bind).
This means that one is bound to one's belief which guide one's actions.
Religion includes the belief that there is no supernatural realm.
Isaac Asimov - was an atheist "who believed that the universe is comprehensible within the bounds of natural law."
Does it not take belief to believe that the universe started with a big bang? Was anyone of us there to see it? If we were not, why do so many people believe what we never saw? Evidence and proof.
MGMan: Isn't that much like believing in God? Where is the non-circumstantial evidence and proof for God?
Quick question bluefete.... what word/s would you use to describe someone that lives independently of God?
Secular/ secularist?
Humanist?
Secular humanist?
I only ask because I find that a lot of the arguments about Atheism stem from semantics instead of the actual belief/ lack thereof.
So, let's say that God has as much of an impact on me as unicorns have on you. I don't believe that God exists and you (correct me if I am wrong) don't believe that unicorns exist. I don't attribute any importance to God and you (again correct me if I am wrong) don't attribute any importance to unicorns. I live my life completely independent of God and you (I hope) live your life completely independent of unicorns. My morality is not based off God and your morality is (sadly) not based of unicorns. I may think about God from time to time and you (really should) probably think about unicorns as well but God and the idea of God is ultimately of no consequence to me and unicorns (again correct me if I am wrong) are of no consequence to you.
Now how would you describe my lack of a belief in God in a way that is comparable to your lack of belief in unicorns? If unicorn is a bad example you can replace it with something else more misaligned to your beliefs.
Apologies for hijacking your question but i will loan you my 0.02c : Firstly i understand what ur tryin to mean by “independently” so i will answer in that regard. I prefer the term “unbelievers”. Simple as that.
Secondly, no one lives independently of God. It might seem so to you but he doesn’t wish for anyone to perish and tries to reach out to you in all sorts of ways. But the more you harden ur heart, the more distant you move. God doesn’t hide from man, it’s man who hides from God.
Thirdly, i am pretty sure you don’t believe in unicorns either but i see what you did there. Lol. Your lack of belief in God and unicorns comes from a lack of scientific proof. I”ll support you as far as unicorns go. What unbelievers fail to grasp is that once you exercise that faith FIRST, only then u realise what is the truth. I’ve come to realize it’s so simple yet so complex for the unbeliever.
FordeG wrote:Just throwing it out there, Christians believe (myself included) that Jesus is the only way to salvation. This is why, we often come across as hard-line. But, when you have our faith and you know it is the true path, we are forcing our beliefs to save you. Please understand we want you to go to heaven.
Also, I will get flack for this I'm sure, but I don't see this debate as a religion vs atheist debate.
Being a Hindu to me, is even worse than being a non believer because you're opposing God's wishes even more. Might as well pray to Satan.
FordeG wrote:Just throwing it out there, Christians believe (myself included) that Jesus is the only way to salvation. This is why, we often come across as hard-line. But, when you have our faith and you know it is the true path, we are forcing our beliefs to save you. Please understand we want you to go to heaven.
Also, I will get flack for this I'm sure, but I don't see this debate as a religion vs atheist debate.
Being a Hindu to me, is even worse than being a non believer because you're opposing God's wishes even more. Might as well pray to Satan.
FordeG wrote:Just throwing it out there, Christians believe (myself included) that Jesus is the only way to salvation. This is why, we often come across as hard-line. But, when you have our faith and you know it is the true path, we are forcing our beliefs to save you. Please understand we want you to go to heaven.
Also, I will get flack for this I'm sure, but I don't see this debate as a religion vs atheist debate.
Being a Hindu to me, is even worse than being a non believer because you're opposing God's wishes even more. Might as well pray to Satan.
Bro PNM ppl see all Hindus as idols and devil worship. Once you look injun then you Hindu and UNC .Dizzy28 wrote:^^^Your not only illogical but also a bigot. How do you treat co workers who are Hindu if you have this distaste for them so?
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