T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

[scotty_buttons]

Saw a couple g20 3 series on the road.. and my word... it has wayyy more road presence than I expected. Looks much better in person.
Makes my F30 LCI look old
So much want.

[MG Man]

Secondly the niro is supposed to give about 1000 kms with my driving, according to what I read with the sportage it should give about 800.

1,000 on how many litres of fuel vs 800 on how many litres of fuel?
Absolute numbers are essentially meaningless
Unless you compare fuel tank capacities and mpg / l/100 km, that comparison really means nothing

[PapaC]

I was about to pull the trigger on an Ioniq when the price of the Sportage caught my eye.
I mean comparing the Niro and the Sportage based on price and size I could see what you wondering.
But it’s going to boil down to what kind of vehicle, it’s use for you, and those kinds of factors.
I am sure the first shipment is sold out already, hence why the price is already raising.

I kept the Ioniq because my plan was for gas consumption, taking the hybrid and it’s benefits and use.

[jhonnieblue]

I have both and my advice would be to stay as far away from southern sales as possible. Terrible service and issues getting parts for the Sportage. Massy is decent so far with the ioniq. But both cars drive great just fuel consumption is high for the Sportage.

[kamakazi]

I have both and my advice would be to stay as far away from southern sales as possible. Terrible service and issues getting parts for the Sportage. Massy is decent so far with the ioniq. But both cars drive great just fuel consumption is high for the Sportage.

So funny question... How many powertrain parts are interchangeable between the brands.
Ioniq and Niro
Sportage/Cerato/Elantra

I'm in no way excusing SS but what parts do their vehicles usually call for. I would like to think that a similar component can be had from Hyundai

[drchaos]

I have both and my advice would be to stay as far away from southern sales as possible. Terrible service and issues getting parts for the Sportage. Massy is decent so far with the ioniq. But both cars drive great just fuel consumption is high for the Sportage.

So funny question... How many powertrain parts are interchangeable between the brands.
Ioniq and Niro
Sportage/Cerato/Elantra

I'm in no way excusing SS but what parts do their vehicles usually call for. I would like to think that a similar component can be had from Hyundai

The boxes for the parts from SS would say Hyundai from time to time.

[rspann]

Powertrain, mechanical, suspension and electrical parts are interchangeable. I used Ioniq parts on Niro ,Tucson parts on Sportages and Cerato and Elantra are also interchangeable. Accent and Rio are basically the same. The parts have both Kia and Hyundai markings.

[triniboi49]

What's the typical practice by the dealers in Trinidad regarding the provision of a courtesy/loaner if your vehicle is in the dealership for an extended period for a warranty issue?

[j.o.e]

What's the typical practice by the dealers in Trinidad regarding the provision of a courtesy/loaner if your vehicle is in the dealership for an extended period for a warranty issue?

No policy just depends on relationship most times. Stand your ground

[lancer_man]

Has anyone with the 2017-2019 CR-V or Civic with the 1.5T engine seen issues with oil dilution locally?

I’m considering the CR-V, but not if the resale value will drop due to engine problems.

Sales rep says no reported issues, but I’m a bit hesitant to take their word for it.

[agent007]

20 months and 22,000kms later, no such oil dilution issue detected.

[SLVR1]

My 2018 now reaching its 8th month has no such issue. Here, we use 5w30 full syn vs. the 0w20 used in North America. This article may shed some light: https://www.wardsauto.com/engines/honda ... on-problem
Based on past experience with the local dealership, recalls are done.

[Barrychund]

NEW - Purchased from ECS Tuning but never installed. Information can be seen below:

Water pump -
Thermostat -

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

Anybody hear anything problematic with the new Chevy Cruz?

[MaxPower]

Has anyone with the 2017-2019 CR-V or Civic with the 1.5T engine seen issues with oil dilution locally?

I’m considering the CR-V, but not if the resale value will drop due to engine problems.

Sales rep says no reported issues, but I’m a bit hesitant to take their word for it.

Have the 2018 CRV,

Not an issue so far.

And I have a small fleet of 2017 Civics (base) for my staff, they seem to love it, obviously because its a perk but no issues reported from the dealership.

But if ur willing to spend the $ on the CRV, I would also consider the RAV4.

[drchaos]

Has anyone with the 2017-2019 CR-V or Civic with the 1.5T engine seen issues with oil dilution locally?

I’m considering the CR-V, but not if the resale value will drop due to engine problems.

Sales rep says no reported issues, but I’m a bit hesitant to take their word for it.

You won't know if you have an issue unless you actually send your oil in for an oil analysis. Otherwise people claiming they have the vehicle for X months and they don't have a problem should be taken with a grain of salt.
The other issue is these engines are very new on the market and the problems associated with oil dilution shows up years later not a few months into ownership. Honda says they fixed the problem by using software fix which affects valve and fuel timings and warming up the engine faster

Now onto one more thing ... The manual of the Civic says to use 0w-20 but 5w30/10w30 can be used (which means less Ideal). The engine was designed for 0w20 and this is even for our car which is for the Thai/Malay/Aussie market. The engine was designed for low friction operation and the 0w20 does a better job than heavier oils. Higher friction means more wear and tear. In addition flow characteristics of higher weighted oil are slower which means less lubrication on startup.

I have been using 0w20 Valvoline or Castrol designed for GDI turbo engines. These oils have actually shown to have better protection from carbon build up which will be an issues with these engines (as in all GDI turbo engines). So no I dont trust the dealer on this and their use of 5w30 oil.

[agent007]

^^^makes sense but the local Honda technicians receive occasional training and updates from Honda not so? We are trusting that they know best on the vehicles they sell. As long as the vehicle is under warranty, any issues would be their problem. I suppose, if an owner furnishes them with a blackstone report proving dilution, then watch bacchanal in this place.

[agent007]

Anybody hear anything problematic with the new Chevy Cruz?

I was curious months ago and asked my tech friend in there if these gen2 cruzes had any problems and he says none whatsoever. Same applies to the trax and equinox. Apparently these newer GM engines and transmissions are built better now so they can take a little more jamming (I don’t believe it cause all are Opel made). Give owners more time again to rack up some more miles and follow up. I won’t go back there until I see one doing 100k Kms with original tranny still in place.

[SLVR1]

Has anyone with the 2017-2019 CR-V or Civic with the 1.5T engine seen issues with oil dilution locally?

I’m considering the CR-V, but not if the resale value will drop due to engine problems.

Sales rep says no reported issues, but I’m a bit hesitant to take their word for it.

You won't know if you have an issue unless you actually send your oil in for an oil analysis. Otherwise people claiming they have the vehicle for X months and they don't have a problem should be taken with a grain of salt.
The other issue is these engines are very new on the market and the problems associated with oil dilution shows up years later not a few months into ownership. Honda says they fixed the problem by using software fix which affects valve and fuel timings and warming up the engine faster

Now onto one more thing ... The manual of the Civic says to use 0w-20 but 5w30/10w30 can be used (which means less Ideal). The engine was designed for 0w20 and this is even for our car which is for the Thai/Malay/Aussie market. The engine was designed for low friction operation and the 0w20 does a better job than heavier oils. Higher friction means more wear and tear. In addition flow characteristics of higher weighted oil are slower which means less lubrication on startup.

I have been using 0w20 Valvoline or Castrol designed for GDI turbo engines. These oils have actually shown to have better protection from carbon build up which will be an issues with these engines (as in all GDI turbo engines). So no I dont trust the dealer on this and their use of 5w30 oil.

Yes, an oil dilution test will be the ultimate proof but to some extent I do not agree with some things said here since there are tell tale signs as per the link which is what will make you suspect sumtingwong : http://www.hondaproblems.com/oil-dilution/
Also, according to my CRV manual 0w20 was formulated for fuel economy and the use of a viscosity listed is quite safe. So 5w30 is quite fine. Fuel econ is a big deal in North America. Saying it is less than ideal...maybe but Honda the manufacturer says 5w30 is also ideal and not the local dealership. I do agree with flow characteristics though and yes, more friction is never good but IMO 5w30 is fine. My question is; where can I get an oil dilution test done locally that is internationally certified? Maybe is it something worth doing as owners of new 1.5T engines?

[Rory Phoulorie]

My question is; where can I get an oil dilution test done locally that is internationally certified? Maybe is it something worth doing as owners of new 1.5T engines?

Try the chemistry lab at CARIRI in UWI. You may have to provide them with the referenced international test method (ASTM, API, BS, ISO, etc.) for the test so that they could confirm whether they are able to do the test.

[agent007]

blackstone labs is a world-wide service. I emailed them already.
https://www.blackstone-labs.com/?sessio ... 3%29%29%2F

[SLVR1]

Thanks Rory & agent007. I see blackstone has even a letter for the postal service.

[kamakazi]

Has anyone with the 2017-2019 CR-V or Civic with the 1.5T engine seen issues with oil dilution locally?

I’m considering the CR-V, but not if the resale value will drop due to engine problems.

Sales rep says no reported issues, but I’m a bit hesitant to take their word for it.

You won't know if you have an issue unless you actually send your oil in for an oil analysis. Otherwise people claiming they have the vehicle for X months and they don't have a problem should be taken with a grain of salt.
The other issue is these engines are very new on the market and the problems associated with oil dilution shows up years later not a few months into ownership. Honda says they fixed the problem by using software fix which affects valve and fuel timings and warming up the engine faster

Now onto one more thing ... The manual of the Civic says to use 0w-20 but 5w30/10w30 can be used (which means less Ideal). The engine was designed for 0w20 and this is even for our car which is for the Thai/Malay/Aussie market. The engine was designed for low friction operation and the 0w20 does a better job than heavier oils. Higher friction means more wear and tear. In addition flow characteristics of higher weighted oil are slower which means less lubrication on startup.

I have been using 0w20 Valvoline or Castrol designed for GDI turbo engines. These oils have actually shown to have better protection from carbon build up which will be an issues with these engines (as in all GDI turbo engines). So no I dont trust the dealer on this and their use of 5w30 oil.

Does it specifically say to use 0w20 or does it give a list of viscosities based on temp like the picture in the previous post by SLVR1

[bigmerv]

SYKO, ask yourself, do you see yourself in a Kia Sportage 5 yrs from now? Are you prepared to keep this vehicle for longer or would you sell in a few short years where the resale value would take a huge hit? Are you really willing to commit to SS just to keep your warranty? If your answers to the questions are yes then cool. It’s your money, organize as you see fit.

My advice would be to stay far from such a crossover. A Kia Sportage is a lackluster product imo in all areas and what is catching people is that price. Consider stuff like the Toyota rush 1.5, Suzuki Vitara 1.6 and Subaru XV 1.6 awd. The Subaru is 225k, gives you 8.7” of ground clearance, awd and better resale value. You also mentioned Kia Niro, if you hell bent on Kia, forget that Niro. You would thank me later on.

Between the XV, Vezel, Rush which do you find best. Which would be easier to maintain and parts availability.

[agent007]

Bigmerv,
XV 2.0 is a world vehicle. Parts can easily be sourced online. Subaru dealers in Miami will have lots of parts and consumables ready to ship if you find Massy is giving trouble. The 1.6 shares the same body and suspension parts but the engine is different. The US market does not get the 1.6 so quick little purchases might be a little tougher for that smaller motor.

Vezel is known as HRV in non hybrid form. Vezel is 1.5 and the HRV is 1.8. Support will be easier for the HRV and the R18 engine is also found in the Civic since 2005. You will get good support from Miami as well for this one. As for the Vezel, I do not trust that transmission and a portion of the drive menu display screen AFAIK cannot be changed from Jap to English. When it comes to support, you’re screwed because those grey market dealers generally don’t have a clue on how to service and fix what they sell and critical communication from the manufacturer is absent because again those grey market dealers are not recognized by the auto manufacturers as authorized sellers.

Rush is the slowest but shares an 8.7” ground clearance like the XV. RWD only on a fully boxed ladder frame chassis. It uses a 1.5 EMPFI as opposed to GDI so concerning our terrible gas we get here, this engine might last the longest and the transmission is a 4-speed torque converter automatic, not some CVT or dual clutch that spells trouble in years to come. Reliability and resale should be second to none. Support? You are tied to TTTL for this one as this Toyota doesn’t exist in North America. If TTTL screws you over, then you will have to order directly from an Asian country.

If it were my choice?
1st XV 2.0
2nd Rush
Distant 3rd Vezel.

If hybrid is a must then consider the CHR or Xtrail. If those are too much then you have the non hybrid CHR 1.2T and Qashqai 1.2T available grey market ie. roro dealers

[bigmerv]

Bigmerv,
XV 2.0 is a world vehicle. Parts can easily be sourced online. Subaru dealers in Miami will have lots of parts and consumables ready to ship if you find Massy is giving trouble. The 1.6 shares the same body and suspension parts but the engine is different. The US market does not get the 1.6 so quick little purchases might be a little tougher for that smaller motor.

Vezel is known as HRV in non hybrid form. Vezel is 1.5 and the HRV is 1.8. Support will be easier for the HRV and the R18 engine is also found in the Civic since 2005. You will get good support from Miami as well for this one. As for the Vezel, I do not trust that transmission and a portion of the drive menu display screen AFAIK cannot be changed from Jap to English. When it comes to support, you’re screwed because those grey market dealers generally don’t have a clue on how to service and fix what they sell and critical communication from the manufacturer is absent because again those grey market dealers are not recognized by the auto manufacturers as authorized sellers.

Rush is the slowest but shares an 8.7” ground clearance like the XV. RWD only on a fully boxed ladder frame chassis. It uses a 1.5 EMPFI as opposed to GDI so concerning our terrible gas we get here, this engine might last the longest and the transmission is a 4-speed torque converter automatic, not some CVT or dual clutch that spells trouble in years to come. Reliability and resale should be second to none. Support? You are tied to TTTL for this one as this Toyota doesn’t exist in North America. If TTTL screws you over, then you will have to order directly from an Asian country.

If it were my choice?
1st XV 2.0
2nd Rush
Distant 3rd Vezel.

If hybrid is a must then consider the CHR or Xtrail. If those are too much then you have the non hybrid CHR 1.2T and Qashqai 1.2T available grey market ie. roro dealers

Thanks for the info.

The XV 2.0 is out of my price range. Would the 1.6 engine give trouble if properly maintained. Or should I go grey market and buy a 2.0

I don't know anything about hybrids but I do see a lot of Vezels on the road.

[drchaos]

Has anyone with the 2017-2019 CR-V or Civic with the 1.5T engine seen issues with oil dilution locally?

I’m considering the CR-V, but not if the resale value will drop due to engine problems.

Sales rep says no reported issues, but I’m a bit hesitant to take their word for it.

You won't know if you have an issue unless you actually send your oil in for an oil analysis. Otherwise people claiming they have the vehicle for X months and they don't have a problem should be taken with a grain of salt.
The other issue is these engines are very new on the market and the problems associated with oil dilution shows up years later not a few months into ownership. Honda says they fixed the problem by using software fix which affects valve and fuel timings and warming up the engine faster

Now onto one more thing ... The manual of the Civic says to use 0w-20 but 5w30/10w30 can be used (which means less Ideal). The engine was designed for 0w20 and this is even for our car which is for the Thai/Malay/Aussie market. The engine was designed for low friction operation and the 0w20 does a better job than heavier oils. Higher friction means more wear and tear. In addition flow characteristics of higher weighted oil are slower which means less lubrication on startup.

I have been using 0w20 Valvoline or Castrol designed for GDI turbo engines. These oils have actually shown to have better protection from carbon build up which will be an issues with these engines (as in all GDI turbo engines). So no I dont trust the dealer on this and their use of 5w30 oil.

Does it specifically say to use 0w20 or does it give a list of viscosities based on temp like the picture in the previous post by SLVR1

My bad .. its the same as 007 posted on his post. Its not less Ideal as I earlier mispoke. But I am still concerned about valve deposits which is better with the 0w20 I started to use and the fact that it provides better flow characteristics/ Lower friction and better fuel econ.

[drchaos]

Quick question to those with the 1.5 turbo CRV ... Yall using super or premium?

[agent007]

Bigmerv, the 1.6 should be okay for the warranty period. If you intend to keep beyond the warranty then start looking at your options by 150k kms. Whilst I do have confidence in those engines generally, things can get iffy in that 150-200k range. Even still, there are quite a few Subaru specialists that can work on your vehicle when/if that time comes. I’d go for it still. $225k for a vehicle with one of the worlds best awd systems is something hard to pass up on. I think the Suzuki Vitara 1.6 Allgrip is in that price range too.

Drchaos, premium since day 1.

[Barrychund]

I am having a hard time making a choice between buying new leathers or a new MV. They both have so many benifits.......

Should i get these????