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Wtk : drivin difficulty with sk2 stage 2 cams

Postby chingMAN » October 22nd, 2006, 9:51 pm

will my car be that more difficult to drive on a daily basis , let me know interested to find out

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Postby X2 » October 22nd, 2006, 10:13 pm

Not particularly. You WILL need to get it tuned.

S2S2 cams will just give you a little loss on the low end and shiftty gas mileage at low and mid range. Driveablility should be fine....

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Postby ganjafarmer143 » October 22nd, 2006, 10:38 pm

stock idle too i believe

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Postby X2 » October 22nd, 2006, 10:42 pm

might seem like stock... but fuel wasting.... more overlap than stock.

Take that enviromentalists ! :oops:

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Postby Zim » November 1st, 2006, 11:35 am

Much more fuel? I was actually contemplating a mod like dis

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Postby X2 » November 1st, 2006, 1:24 pm

More fuel... full stop... how much more depends on your tuning and cam timing.... s2s2 cams don't operate their best at stock cam timing.

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Postby Zim » November 1st, 2006, 3:22 pm

I see, difficult to say off hand huh? Hmm, well provided it's tuned well (have a good tuner in mind), shouldnt b too bad right?

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Postby X2 » November 1st, 2006, 4:41 pm

it will be noticeable...dunno ur definition of bad.

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Postby kes_vtec » November 1st, 2006, 7:12 pm

if u wah speed ur must burn gas.....
but those cars do ask for more fuel and a shift in vtec

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Postby Spyrogyra » November 2nd, 2006, 5:41 pm

Also your overlap would have to be considered closely, otherwise you'd suck intake charge right out the exhaust.

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Postby X2 » November 2nd, 2006, 7:17 pm

Well everyone I heard from using s2s2 cams beyotch about mileage. Thinkin about it... the crappy gas mileage COULD be from adjusting the cam timing to get the proper overlap on the top end.

If anyone can find the cam specs of the primary lobe for the s2s2 cams, we could get to the bottom of this... 0X

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Re: Wtk : drivin difficulty with sk2 stage 2 cams

Postby havokkk » November 3rd, 2006, 8:06 am

[quote="In his B-Series Cam Guide, Sam Karp"]SKUNK2 STAGE 2

Int - 266 dur / 12.3mm lift
Exh - 262 dur / 11.8mm lift

Valve Springs to be used: Skunk2 preferred but Port Flow will work as well. These cams are wild enough that you should not be using the low 8200rpms rev limit.

Description: The new top dog of the cam world. This will become the most common aftermarket (non OEM) cam in the US when they start getting distributed more. These have a very similar power band as the JUN Type 3, with less cost and better reliability (I said the “râ€

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Postby Zim » November 3rd, 2006, 8:47 am

X2 wrote:it will be noticeable...dunno ur definition of bad.
My definition of bad is unbearable & a pain to drive. Less dan 300kms on a tank of as mileage

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Postby X2 » November 3rd, 2006, 1:56 pm

blah... then don't worry... you prolly wouldn't even mind some stage 3's.... lol

Havokk... those numbers are for the secondary vtec lobe... I was hoping they would have the info on the primary lobe somewhere as those would affect the idle.

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Postby Zim » November 3rd, 2006, 4:08 pm

YAAAAYYY!! BTW, what's the octane content of our fuel :?: I see d pump says 95. Is it somewhere around 91?

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Postby X2 » November 3rd, 2006, 4:40 pm

our ''95'' would be considered 90 or 91 (at best) using the USA rating system... which is likely what you'll be reading on any dealer sites.... you will need 91PON to run any kinda upgraded cam... our local ''95'' should do ok with some tweaking..

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Postby havokkk » November 3rd, 2006, 11:06 pm

X2 wrote:Havokk... those numbers are for the secondary vtec lobe... I was hoping they would have the info on the primary lobe somewhere as those would affect the idle.

yup... i know :D but in his description, karp mentions unaffected idle. i'm inferring then that primary lobe lift and duration are similar to stock. in his cam guide too, you see, he mentions specifically when primary lobe profiles are aggressive, and idle is lumpy :oops:

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Postby X2 » November 4th, 2006, 12:21 am

got a link to the rest of it ?

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Postby SR » November 4th, 2006, 6:19 am

Zim wrote:
X2 wrote:it will be noticeable...dunno ur definition of bad.
My definition of bad is unbearable & a pain to drive. Less dan 300kms on a tank of as mileage



bleh

i does done get less than 300

so i dunno wah allyhu complainin for


speed costs

including in fuel

especially when the octane isnt high enough

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Postby HondaB20B » November 4th, 2006, 10:43 am

jus dont complain..........:roll: :roll: :roll: see below........... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Postby havokkk » November 8th, 2006, 6:21 pm

X2 wrote:got a link to the rest of it ?

word doc... should i post here, or start a new thread :?:

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Postby X2 » November 8th, 2006, 9:16 pm

well... i'm sure everyone in here is interested.... link up....

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Postby havokkk » November 9th, 2006, 2:46 am

[quote="Sam Karp"]B-SERIES CAM GUIDE

Last update: 2004-03-18 21:50

The following Cams were measured at 1mm of lift:

INTEGRA TYPE R (THROUGH 1999 SPEC)

Int - 240 dur / 11.5mm lift
Exh - 235 dur / 10.5mm lift

Valve Springs to be used: Stock B16A/GSR if using stock 8200 re-limit. Integra Type R if using rev limit over 8200rpms. Mugen Valve Springs can also be used.

Description: These are great, reliable cams for the money. You can pick up a set for as little as $500.00 new if you are lucky! They will give good gains from midrange all the way until 8400rpms. These cams have stock idle characteristics.

CIVIC TYPE R AND INTEGRA TYPE R (INTEGRA TYPE R 2000/01 SPEC)

Int - 243 dur / 11.5mm lift
Exh - 235 dur / 10.5mm lift

Valve Springs to be used: Stock B16A/GSR if using stock 8200 re-limit. Integra Type R if using rev limit over 8200rpms. Mugen Valve Springs can also be used.

Description: These are great, reliable cams for the money. You can pick up a set for as little as $550.00 new if you are lucky! They will give good gains from midrange all the way until 8400rpms. These cams have stock idle characteristics.

Skunk2 Stage 1

Int - 252 dur / 11.5mm lift
Exh - 249 dur / 10.8mm lift

Valve Springs to be used: Stock B16A/GSR if using stock 8200 re-limit. Integra Type R if using rev limit over 8200rpms. Skunk2 Valve Springs can also be used.

Description: These are very underrated cams. They do cost around $100-$200 more than the Type R cams but they also offer much more duration and will give more power than the Type R cams. Similar power range of Type R cams but stronger throughout the higher parts of the power band. This is a great set of cams for a budget minded B16A owner. These cams have stock idle characteristics. I would recommend using Skunk2 cam gears with these cams.

JUN TYPE 1

Int - 265 dur / 10.9mm lift
Exh - 268 dur / 10.0mm lift

Valve Springs to be used: Tough to say. I have never seen anyone use this cam. The characteristics say that a stock B16A/GSR valve spring could handle these cams for use up to 8200rpms. Any operation above that and I would use ITR valve springs or even JUN valve springs.

Description: Again, I have never seen these used. I have no clue on the power these cams will deliver but it should be similar to that of a Skunk2 Stage 1 cam, although they are very different cams. These cams have stock idle characteristics. I would recommend using JUN cam gears with these cams.

SPOON SPORTS

Int - 256 dur / 11.5mm lift
Exh - 245 dur / 11.1mm lift

Valve Springs to be used: Integra Type R. If using these cams past 8800rpms (why would you) I would think that Port Flow or even Toda valve springs would work, but I don’t think these cams will make much power after 8400rpm.

Description: Another somewhat rare cam. Will show definite gains over that a Type R cam and very good gains on a stock B16A/GSR motor. Stock idle characteristics from the few users I have seen use them. I would recommend using Spoon cam gears with these cams.

JUN TYPE 2

Int - 267 dur / 12.0mm lift
Exh - 265 dur / 10.9mm lift

Valve Springs to be used: Integra Type R up to 8800rpms or JUN valve springs for all operations. These cams are wild enough that you should not be using the low 8200rpms rev limit.

Description: Another rare cam but a few people have used it, including JSIR. Cams will have just as much midrange gain as the big-brother JUN Type 3 but will start to slack off over 8400rpms when the Type 3’s are still making power. However, this cam will cause fewer headaches to get tuned right and does not require the fancy valve train and tuning of the Type 3. This is by far the most underrated cam of this whole bunch. These cams have stock idle characteristics but still offer better midrange power than the JUN Type 3 (start making power at an earlier rpm). I recommend using JUN cam gears with these cams.

SKUNK2 STAGE 2

Int - 266 dur / 12.3mm lift
Exh - 262 dur / 11.8mm lift

Valve Springs to be used: Skunk2 preferred but Port Flow will work as well. These cams are wild enough that you should not be using the low 8200rpms rev limit.

Description: The new top dog of the cam world. This will become the most common aftermarket (non OEM) cam in the US when they start getting distributed more. These have a very similar power band as the JUN Type 3, with less cost and better reliability (I said the “râ€

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Postby HondaB20B » November 9th, 2006, 12:14 pm

Skunk2 recently came out with a better cam than the stage2....... its the Pro series+, 1,2 & 3. good reviews in the N/A class in the US
http://www.skunk2.com/raceShop/part_proCamShaft.html
other good cams on the market are the buddy club series.

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Postby pornstar4777 » November 9th, 2006, 1:12 pm

I say do it!!!....it is streetable just take all the precautionary measures and get it tuned....check kes....no worries

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Postby Zim » November 13th, 2006, 2:03 pm

check kes

:shock: :lol: :lol:

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um hmm

Postby pornstar4777 » November 13th, 2006, 8:28 pm

Zim wrote:
check kes

:shock: :lol: :lol:


do some research on it, wus with the response :roll: ???

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