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agent007 wrote:The gap between the Corolla Cross fully loaded and the hybrid fully loaded is $71k. Put another way, that is approx. 14,286 litres of super gasoline more.
Since the fuel tank holds 47L and assuming that one burns every drop of fuel before re-fuelling. It means: 14,286 ÷ 47 = 304 max fill-ups.
Assuming one drives 30,000kms a year (if you're not a taxi driver - as a regular person post covid, this may be a stretch) and assuming each of those 304 fill-ups give a base range of 500kms (I reckon the 2ZR-FE 1.8 will actually do better), it means 304 x 500 = 152,000kms.
152,000 ÷ 30,000 = 5 years. The savings you automatically derive by purchasing the non-hybrid version over the hybrid version is 5 years worth of gas (based on high usage). For someone who may do 15k kms a year, it gets even better. You're talking about 10 years worth of gas difference. Also take note, in those 5-10 years I just mentioned, the hybrid unit racks up gas bills too so if one wants to get even more granular, it still not working in favour of the hybrid.
I am also willing to bet, the resale value of the non hybrid would be better than the hybrid simply because potential owners might be asking 5+ years down the road, what about battery life? The ICE might last longer in the hybrid due to less wear and tear but when the HSD system does call for intervention, that won't be a pretty bill.
So, I join with Joshie and others to really find out what is TTTL's strategy? Buying the hybrid because it has a sunroof? You can get a third world Indian made 2 airbag Kia Seltos right now for what $217k? And it comes with leather and sunroof etc.
Perhaps TTTL's strategy is to cater for the clientele in this country who happen to be successful business owners, doctors, lawyers and for salaried people that clock some decent 6 figure numbers monthly.
For regular working class people, the value proposition on said Corolla Cross is not there. A sales rep can gargle reliability and resale value all they want to gullible clients, but at the end of the day, the way how we know the world to be in 2021 and beyond, all vehicles would depreciate badly whether it be a Toyota or a Kia.
That Seltos I just mentioned above at $217k (I don't know how much of you all noticed but it is basically half the price of the Corolla Cross hybrid). Both can seat 5 and both will last through the loan period of up to 8 years.
Let's use some past data. Since we don't have any for the Corolla Cross and Seltos, both being new entries to the market, let's use what we can to closely match.
Consider an 8 year old fully loaded PCY 2013 RAV4 2.5 AWD vs an 8 year old PCY 2013 fully loaded Sportage 2.0. Assuming both are in mint condition and are with their first owners (dealer maintained with zero accidents). The Kia can fetch about $80k for the very least? A PCY 2013 RAV4 can fetch what $150k for the very least? The Sportage lost $200k in resale over those 8 years and the RAV4 lost $260k in resale. Some may be asking at this point, "so you knew the cost of a fully loaded Sportage and RAV4 back in 2013?" The answer is yes!
If you all look at the pricing of Hyundai and Kia crossovers/"SUVs" locally, within the price gap from $200-$275k, you would realize for the average salaried person with a permanent job who can obtain a job letter, 2 forms of ID, some pay slips and a utility bill as well as the BIR number can literally walk into most financial institutions and qualify for an 8 year loan with zero percent down and drive away with 1 out of the following (Venue, Creta, Tucson, Sonet, Niro, Seltos, Sportage). Watch how popular those 7 crossovers are. Hyundai and Kia are dominating the sales charts here in T&T for years. That says something about their strategy and that adopted by the dealers.
In TTTL's corner, they have the Rush and RAV4 and whilst both are getting customers, it is not at the phenomenal rate in which SS and Massy get theirs. Now, what is likely is that the profit margin for every Rush and RAV4 sold (and soon to be Corolla Cross) could very well be equal to or more than what SS and Massy can squeeze from their Korean crossover lineup. Who is to say? This is all speculation mixed with facts and assumptions.
Food for thought. Now, if my POV is flawed, I welcome corrections and feedback.
Dizzy28 wrote:aaron17 wrote:Well look thing...they say they gonna bring the corolla cross.
So in typical TTTL fashion we can look forward to an overpriced under featured vehicle in the future??
agent007 wrote:Nick, you purchased at the right time! I also wish we had the full compliment of airbags previously, oh well.
Gladiator, you’re right! It’s an oversight on my part. I included it as #26, thanks.
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This is the LE version. It has more features than the P4X, has a cleaner more mature look and it’s $14K cheaper. Choice is clear here!
And better seats with heating functionGladiator wrote:agent007 wrote:IMG_4342.JPG
This is the LE version. It has more features than the P4X, has a cleaner more mature look and it’s $14K cheaper. Choice is clear here!
Hey... do you mind listing the features that the LE has that the P4X does not. The only thing i am seeing is a rim size difference.
nick639v2 wrote:And better seats with heating functionGladiator wrote:agent007 wrote:IMG_4342.JPG
This is the LE version. It has more features than the P4X, has a cleaner more mature look and it’s $14K cheaper. Choice is clear here!
Hey... do you mind listing the features that the LE has that the P4X does not. The only thing i am seeing is a rim size difference.
Because people love eye catching trims and the matte black off road boy look I guess.triniboi49 wrote:nick639v2 wrote:And better seats with heating functionGladiator wrote:agent007 wrote:IMG_4342.JPG
This is the LE version. It has more features than the P4X, has a cleaner more mature look and it’s $14K cheaper. Choice is clear here!
Hey... do you mind listing the features that the LE has that the P4X does not. The only thing i am seeing is a rim size difference.
Why is the P4X more?
nick639v2 wrote:Because people love eye catching trims and the matte black off road boy look I guess.triniboi49 wrote:nick639v2 wrote:And better seats with heating functionGladiator wrote:agent007 wrote:IMG_4342.JPG
This is the LE version. It has more features than the P4X, has a cleaner more mature look and it’s $14K cheaper. Choice is clear here!
Hey... do you mind listing the features that the LE has that the P4X does not. The only thing i am seeing is a rim size difference.
Why is the P4X more?
For that price I'd rather get the new d-max.Gladiator wrote:nick639v2 wrote:Because people love eye catching trims and the matte black off road boy look I guess.triniboi49 wrote:nick639v2 wrote:And better seats with heating functionGladiator wrote:agent007 wrote:IMG_4342.JPG
This is the LE version. It has more features than the P4X, has a cleaner more mature look and it’s $14K cheaper. Choice is clear here!
Hey... do you mind listing the features that the LE has that the P4X does not. The only thing i am seeing is a rim size difference.
Why is the P4X more?
Those prices.....wow. Also lol at what they highlight as features are standard on many vehicles.since 2012.Gladiator wrote:nick639v2 wrote:Because people love eye catching trims and the matte black off road boy look I guess.triniboi49 wrote:nick639v2 wrote:And better seats with heating functionGladiator wrote:agent007 wrote:IMG_4342.JPG
This is the LE version. It has more features than the P4X, has a cleaner more mature look and it’s $14K cheaper. Choice is clear here!
Hey... do you mind listing the features that the LE has that the P4X does not. The only thing i am seeing is a rim size difference.
Why is the P4X more?
Which one faster?Dave wrote:Xpander and Livinia come like the BRZ and the 86.
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