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Re: The Official 2012 Formula 1 season..ched

Postby Victory_Specification » September 30th, 2012, 5:00 pm

I guess that's just Mclaren's philosophy. It never let's the driver get bigger than the team. The trophies go on display at the entrace to the factory so everyone that walks in knows what they have to live up to.

So that's Hill and Coulthard for lewis' move.
I know brundle was against it in the beginning, can't wait until suzuka to hear how everybody feels.

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Postby MichaelR » September 30th, 2012, 5:03 pm

Rory Phoulorie wrote:
MichaelR wrote:. . . .but come 2014 with Mercedes making the engines and having big engineers Ross Braun and financial backing, eventually Benz will be fighting for a championship. . . .


I heard a similar story about an F1 team owned by the Honda Motor Corporation. Check and see who is the Technology Director at Mercedes GP and see where he worked before.

Sometimes money is not everything. Say what you want, Jacques Villeneuve could drive an F1 car, but, despite him saying otherwise, the lure of money at BAR ruined his career. Hamilton should learn a lesson from this.


Yes, you have a point I agree with. Money doesn't mean success. I dont think the situation at Benz will be like what happened to Honda though. Benz is already fairly strong and they recently made the big shakeups i stated to strive for more success. I dont think they will duck out of the sport soon either. I dont think we could bash Ross Brawn's involvement with Honda either, as he wasnt there very long and even if he just wasn't effective with Honda, there are many variables as u pointed out, plus look at how effective he was with Ferrari, Brawn GP etc. Aite i done talk about the adventures of Hammybolo for now

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Postby Victory_Specification » September 30th, 2012, 5:17 pm

you think schumacher should go to sauber now?

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Postby djaggs » September 30th, 2012, 7:35 pm

Schumacher should switch to DTM. Ive been wanting to see him drive a DTM car soooo long. I think its about time. He should F1 to the young ones now.

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Re: The Official 2012 Formula 1 season..ched

Postby Sanctifier » September 30th, 2012, 8:30 pm

Rory Phoulorie wrote:I think that is a big mistake on Hamilton's part...

Yup, I agree. It looks like a "money" move... but IMHO Hamilton is too hooked on winning to be satisfied with that for too long.

I still think he's arguably the best driver in F1 today (yup, "warts and all"... which driver in F1 doesn't have "issues")... but without an ultra-competitive car AND team, skill may not mean much by itself.

Unless of course, Ross can come up with another 'gem' that gives Hamilton a similar edge to the one that Button got during his "Championship" year.

We'll see!

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Postby Rory Phoulorie » September 30th, 2012, 8:52 pm

Victory_Specification wrote:you think schumacher should go to sauber now?


Right he likes motorcycle racing? He should go and form a WSBK team or probably form a CRT in MotoGP and manage that.

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Postby Rory Phoulorie » September 30th, 2012, 8:56 pm

Sanctifier wrote:Unless of course, Ross can come up with another 'gem' that gives Hamilton a similar edge to the one that Button got during his "Championship" year.


The BGP 001 was a year in the making. Probably, if he has that amount of time to develop the Mercedes F1 car for 2014 then perhaps Hamilton would be a likely favourite for the 2014 championship.

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Postby Sanctifier » September 30th, 2012, 9:09 pm

^ ^ ^ That's not impossible... but IMHO history is highly unlikely to repeat itself, since all the other teams have a 1-year lead time in their development as well.

Brawn is a GREAT engineer and Team leader... but IMHO Adrian Newey is just that little bit better.
Brawn's 1st success came through Schumacher 's ruthlessness and skill... and Ferrari's total commitment.
His 2nd came through his clever interpretation of the FIA Rule Book...
Let's see what he comes up with in 2014.

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Re: The Official 2012 Formula 1 season..ched

Postby roadracer7 » October 1st, 2012, 9:58 am

BUSINESS AS USUAL

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/f1-s-powerful-investment-101716724.html


F1’s most powerful investment
Lewis Hamilton’s move from McLaren to the less-successful Mercedes team may seem hard to fathom but, as is often the case in F1, it came down to business.




Formula One has been a playground for car manufacturers from its very first race in 1950. The early years of the sport were dominated by glamorous Italian manufacturers such as Ferrari, Alfa Romeo and Maserati but it took around 50 years for the real arms race between them to begin.
In the late 1990s car manufacturers saw the marketing potential of being involved with F1. They realised that winning in the sport would bring huge exposure to their cars, and would hopefully translate into increased sales, so several manufacturers bought stakes in F1 teams. This led to an acceleration in investment in the sport as the car manufacturers tried to outspend each other in a bid for victory. The focus of their attention was the engines.
Along with the quality of the aerodynamics and the driver, the engines are the most significant factor in determining whether a car will win or lose races. They are also one of the few common factors between F1 cars and road cars so not only can manufacturers use the marketing line that their engines win races, but they can also use them as high speed research and development labs.
The car manufacturers’ race to outspend each other led to their investment costs soaring and in turn, it left them exposed during the economic downturn. In 2009 BMW, Honda and Toyota all pulled out of F1 and to prevent further departures, the sport’s governing body the Fédération Internationale de l’Automobile (FIA) introduced measures to cut costs.
Historically, the development of race engines has followed the theory of the great automotive engineer Ferdinand Porsche that the perfect car crosses the finish line in first place and then falls to pieces. This is no longer strictly true as the FIA’s regulations limit drivers to eight engines per season with race penalties for anyone breaking the rule. Although no car manufacturers have left F1 since, costs have not fallen dramatically.
According to the latest financial statements for Mercedes’ engine department, in the year to 31 December 2010 total costs came to £75.5m compared to £83.3m in 2006. Perhaps surprisingly, the engines’ material costs only represent a small portion of this expense.
In 2010 Mercedes spent £23.1m on paying the 424 staff in its engine department with a further £35.1m invested in F1 engine research and development. The raw materials for the engines, amongst other things, were bought with the remaining £17.3m.
F1’s engine specification of 2.4 litre V8s is fixed until 2014 when it is due to switch to a greener 1.6 litre V6 turbo and this is understood to be the moment Hamilton is waiting for. Hamilton became world champion with McLaren in 2008 and the team has won five races alone this year. In contrast, Mercedes has only won one race since it took over its team at the end of 2009. It was reported to be on the verge of quitting F1 this year after the lacklustre performance of seven-time world champion Michael Schumacher but the prospect of victory with Hamilton has kept it in the sport.
Mercedes has offered Hamilton a salary increase of around 50% to an estimated £18.6m annually along with greater freedom to take on personal sponsors. It was still seen as a gamble for him due to Mercedes’ poor track record. The change in engine regulations would give it an opportunity to improve performance as it would be a fresh start for all teams and Mercedes was expected to throw everything behind it. However, no sooner had Hamilton announced his move than F1’s boss Bernie Ecclestone had cast doubt on Mercedes’ window of opportunity.
“I listened to the noise of the engines in [Ferrari’s headquarters at] Maranello the other day, the new engine and the old engine, and even [Ferrari’s chairman] Luca di Montezemolo said it sounded terrible and didn’t like it,” says Ecclestone. He adds that he thinks FIA president Jean Todt “will get rid of it. I think Luca is also saying we should suspend it for two or three years. I think it is sensible to get rid of it and stick with what we have got. It is much cheaper than the new one. It probably could be 30% of the price.”
A total of 9 of the 12 F1 teams buy engines from the manufacturers – Cosworth, Ferrari, Mercedes and Renault – and each pays around £8m per year. However, the price is expected to soar several times under the new regulations and whilst this may be a benefit for the manufacturers, the teams which buy the engines could do without it. Ecclestone isn’t just looking out for them but for the fans too as he believes that the new engines will lose the distinctive howl that attracted 3.4m spectators to F1 races last year according to the sport’s industry monitor Formula Money (www.formulamoney.com).
The majority of F1 circuits last year threatened to drop the sport over fears that the new engines could make the cars could sound so different that it would drive spectators away.
The circuits dropped their threat after the FIA agreed to raise the power of the engines from its original proposal of 1.6-litre V4s. However, Ron Walker, chairman of the circuits’ organisation the Formula One Promoters Association (FOPA), says “the circuits would be appalled if [the FIA] went ahead with that new engine now, particularly if there is no guarantee the sound will be the same. The circuits will all support Bernie in his quest to keep the same engine because it will mean great savings in the cost burden of running the sport.”
Some observers have suggested that the FIA would not consent to dropping the engines now because the manufacturers have invested a great deal in developing them so this money would be wasted. However, there is plenty of precedent for the FIA proposing technology which is never introduced. In 2005 it announced that it had developed a radical rear wing which was split in the middle in order to improve overtaking. This was due to be introduced to F1 cars in 2008 but was put back a year and never saw the light of day.
Likewise, all the F1 manufacturers were working on V4 engines which were ditched following the switch to V6s. After the change was announced last year the FIA admitted that the manufacturers “will all need to adapt their project and this will surely involve some additional costs, depending on how advanced each project was.”
As Ecclestone and Walker point out, the teams would ultimately make savings from the new regulations being dropped because the cost of buying in engines would not increase. There is also a question over how much money has already been invested by the manufacturers in developing the V6 engines. They usually start developing new engines around four years before they are introduced and costs tend to increase accordingly. However in both 2009 and 2010 the total costs and research and development spending of Mercedes’ engine department decreased.
Nevertheless, it still spent £75.5m purely to develop engines which were ultimately used in just six cars. It is an extraordinary sum but keeping F1 engines at the cutting edge of automotive performance and reliability requires it.
The engines epitomise engineering expertise. They rev to 18,000rpm and come close to 1,000bhp with race fuel consumption typically around the 4mpg mark. Revving at such great speed puts an accelerative force on the pistons of more than 8,000 times gravity. It means that engine-related failures are a common cause of retirements in races. Despite the manufacturer’s marketing intentions, modern F1 engines owe little, apart from their fundamental design of cylinders, pistons and valves, to road-car engines.
The engine is a put under such stress that it needs to be bolted to the carbon fibre body and have the transmission and rear suspension bolted to it in turn. It therefore has to be extremely strong but also as light and compact as possible. Adding to the complication, the engine needs to be to be mounted in as low a position as possible to help reduce the car’s centre of gravity and to enable the height of rear bodywork to be minimised which in turn cuts drag.
Maintaining the balance between engine strength and weight at the same time as optimising its location in the car is ultimately why F1 engines are so expensive to produce. There is no sign that this cost is going to go down though, if Ecclestone’s forecast comes true, at least it won’t be rising. It could be an early Christmas present for most of the teams but is likely to keep Hamilton on the edge of his seat.
Christian Sylt is author of Formula Money

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Re: The Official 2012 Formula 1 season..ched

Postby roadracer7 » October 1st, 2012, 10:06 am

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/hamilton-never-sought-lead-driver-status-104410859.html


Hamilton 'never sought lead driver status'
Mercedes boss Ross Brawn says Lewis Hamilton never asked to be his team's number one driver during the talks that led to the Briton signing a contract with the German Squad.


After months of speculation about his future, Hamilton decided to leave McLaren and switch to Mercedes, a move that was announced on Friday last week.
Hamilton will replace Michael Schumacher and partner Nico Rosberg at the team.
Brawn admitted it was "pleasant" that Hamilton just wanted the same chances as the German driver when he joins next year.
"Lewis never asked for any priority at all, he just asked for equality," Brawn told AUTOSPORT.
"He was pleasant in that he had no desires to have any special treatment or any unique facilities. Lewis just expects to have an equal opportunity in the team, as we would like to do as well.
"The conversation was relatively short in that area and I was impressed that he was positive enough to take that view and not attempt to protect some sort of position which would have been quite difficult for the team to accept.
"We never got into a discussion because Lewis didn't raise it. And if he had raised it, we probably wouldn't have wanted to do it."
Brawn reckons there will be no frictions between Rosberg and Hamilton, who remain friends having been team-mates when they raced in karting.
"They are good ex-colleagues and friends and I know that they travel to races together often," Brawn added.
"I don't expect them to have any issues at all. I've kept Nico informed as things have progressed and he is quite excited actually to have Lewis joining the team.
"I see that as a positive. We'll have the normal drivers trying to beat each other issues and that's what they have to be because we don't want a driver who doesn't want to beat his team-mate. But it is important that it's done in the right way. I think that will be a very good combination."
The team boss has little doubt that Hamilton will adapt to life at Mercedes, despite having spent his entire Formula 1 career at McLaren.
"I'm sure he's had a great deal of support at McLaren but you never know until you start working with anyone really," said Brawn when asked if Mercedes could bring the best out of Hamilton.
"We have our views on how we should approach things and it seems to align with Lewis's views of how he'd like to approach things and I'm optimistic that it's going to be a strong team, not just with me but the rest of the company."

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Postby Rory Phoulorie » October 1st, 2012, 10:07 am

Sanctifier wrote:Brawn is a GREAT engineer and Team leader... but IMHO Adrian Newey is just that little bit better.


I don't know why Ross Brawn doesn't convince Rory Byrne to come out of retirement and work for him. In my opinion, Rory Byrne is just as talented as Adrian Newey. It was Byrne's Ferraris that gave Newey's McLarens a good run for their money in the late 1990s to mid 2000s.

On a lighter note, Alain Prost recently test drove the Red Bull RB6 and Renault R30 F1 cars. I wonder if there is any video of this demonstration run floating around on YouTube?

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Postby MG Man » October 1st, 2012, 10:57 am

I have an article on Rory Byrne from the early 1980s....fascinating read. I'll try to scan it for you this weekend

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Postby roadracer7 » October 3rd, 2012, 11:34 am

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/mclaren-hamilton-offer-best-f1-124157777.html

McLaren: Hamilton offer was best in F1
Martin Whitmarsh believes McLaren offered Lewis Hamilton the chance to be the best-paid driver in Formula 1 in a bid to keep him for 2013.




Following months of speculation about his future, Hamilton decided to leave McLaren after six seasons with the Woking-based squad. The Briton will join Mercedes to replace seven-time champion Michael Schumacher.
Whitmarsh denied McLaren underestimated Mercedes' offer, saying he believes the terms McLaren put forward bettered any other deal on the current F1 grid.
"I think Lewis is a top flight driver and we didn't underestimate his attractiveness to others in F1," Whitmarsh said during a Vodafone phone-in on Wednesday.
"I think we knew that Lewis would be in demand, that's why we made him an offer. The offer that we made was higher than, I believe, any other driver in Formula 1 is currently receiving, or will receive next year.
"It was a good offer but clearly we had to look at the benefits because we recognised that there was a serious threat."
Despite losing Hamilton, McLaren boss Martin Whitmarsh says he has no regrets about his team's management of its negotiations with the 2008 world champion.
Hamilton's relationship with McLaren began when the team saw his potential when racing in karting.
Whitmarsh said he was satisfied the team had done all it could to retain the former world champion.
"Probably I am not the most objective to give that answer," he said when asked if the situation could have been managed any differently.
"I think we had a lot of conversations with Lewis's management team. I don't think I have any particular regrets.
"I think that we made a very good and serious offer and proposition. Ultimately of course we weren't able to agree terms.
"Probably two things: One, I am not the best person to answer your question and be objective about it and two, looking back and regrets are things you don't get much time for in F1."
He added: "We put a lot of effort in to trying to keep Lewis. Clearly he is a great asset to any race team, so we made a big effort but I think ultimately Lewis had to make a decision, he made one, and we must now look forward."

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Postby Rory Phoulorie » October 3rd, 2012, 3:59 pm

What would you want to be remembered for? The number of championships you have won? The number of races you have won? Or the amount of money you have made?

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Postby Victory_Specification » October 3rd, 2012, 5:45 pm

tough question, but in my book:

championships > races > money

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Postby adriano7910 » October 4th, 2012, 9:10 am

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2012/10/13863.html

Schumacher announces Formula One retirement 04 Oct 2012

Michael Schumacher (GER) Mercedes AMG F1 announces his retirement from Formula One at the end of 2012. Formula One World Championship, Rd15, Japanese Grand Prix, Preparations, Suzuka, Japan, Thursday, 4 October 2012 Michael Schumacher (GER) Mercedes AMG F1 W03. Formula One Testing, Mugello, Italy, Day Two, 2 May 2012 Michael Schumacher (GER) Mercedes AMG F1 celebrates on the podium. Formula One World Championship, Rd8, European Grand Prix, Race Day, Valencia, Spain, Sunday, 24 June 2012 Michael Schumacher (GER) Mercedes AMG F1 announces his retirement from Formula One at the end of the 2012 season with Ross Brawn (GBR) Mercedes AMG F1 Team Principal. Formula One World Championship, Rd15, Japanese Grand Prix, Preparations, Suzuka, Japan, Thursday, 4 October 2012 Michael Schumacher (GER) Mercedes AMG F1 cycles the track. Formula One World Championship, Rd15, Japanese Grand Prix, Preparations, Suzuka, Japan, Thursday, 4 October 2012

Michael Schumacher is to call time on his F1 career at the end of the 2012 season. Schumacher, who originally retired in 2006 before returning to the sport with Mercedes in 2010, announced the news at Suzuka on Thursday.

"I have decided to retire from Formula One at the end of the season, although I am still able to compete with the best drivers of the world,” said the German on his official website. “This is something that makes me proud, and this is part of why I never regretted my comeback.”

That comeback did not spawn the kind of results fans had come to expect of the seven-time world champion, with its only podium finish to date coming in Valencia earlier this year. Schumacher insisted he was not dissatisfied with his time at Mercedes, but admitted things had not gone entirely to plan.

“I can be happy with my performance and the fact that I was continuously raising my game during the last three years,” he commented. “But then, at some point it is time to say goodbye.

“I said at the end of 2009 that I wanted to be measured by my success, and this is why I had a lot of criticism in the past three years, which was partly justified. There is no doubt we did not achieve our goal of developing a car capable of fighting for the world championship in those three years. But then it is also clear that I can still be very happy about my overall achievements in Formula One.”

Schumacher’s Mercedes comeback revived his highly successful partnership with team principal Ross Brawn, the man with whom he secured multiple world titles at Benetton and Ferrari. However, their reunion failed to produce a truly competitive car and Schumacher said he had been contemplating his future for some time.

“Already during the past weeks and months I was not sure if I would still have the motivation and energy which is necessary to go on,” said the 43-year old. “And it is not my style to do anything which I am not 100 percent convinced about. With today’s decision I feel released from those doubts. In the end, it is not my ambition to just drive around but to fight for victories; and the pleasure of driving is nourished by competitiveness.”

Schumacher, who has won 91 Grands Prix since the start of his F1 career in 1991, will be replaced at Mercedes for 2013 by McLaren’s Lewis Hamilton.

"I would like to thank Daimler, Mercedes-Benz and the team for their trust," he concluded. "But I also would like to thank all my friends, partners and companions, who over many good years in motorsport supported me. But most of all I would like to thank my family for standing always by my side, giving me the freedom to live my convictions and sharing my joy."

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Postby adriano7910 » October 4th, 2012, 9:13 am

Sad Sad Day. I will remember this man as long as i live. wish i cld meet him some day if only just to shake his hand.
Michael, Sunday i race and i swear ill push harder than i ever had b4 to show how much you have inspired me.

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Re: The Official 2012 Formula 1 season..ched

Postby MG Man » October 4th, 2012, 9:37 am

nasty naz......er....german

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Postby adriano7910 » October 4th, 2012, 10:29 am

MG Man wrote:nasty naz......er....german


show some respect before i turn your mg f into a metro eh. i would a say midget but thats a upgrade :lol:

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Postby roadracer7 » October 7th, 2012, 4:12 am

vettel, massa and finally kobayashi.................

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Postby jeevdude199 » October 7th, 2012, 8:52 am

Massa has forgotten how the champagne works...hehehe well done to vettel guess the championship is now a two-horse race between him and his alternator.....

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Postby noshownogo » October 7th, 2012, 10:40 am

I still get the feeling that Kimi could win the Drivers Championship.

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Postby roadracer7 » October 7th, 2012, 8:30 pm

noshownogo wrote:I still get the feeling that Kimi could win the Drivers Championship.



ehhh hmmm.... a dark gold horse

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Re: The Official 2012 Formula 1 season..ched

Postby MG Man » October 7th, 2012, 11:58 pm

nah man, Lewis Hamilton for sure :p

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Postby Victory_Specification » October 13th, 2012, 2:33 am

Quali for korea:

Redbull>hamilton>alonso

unless grosjean or crashonado have something to do with it at the start, I think Redbull are going to walk this.

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Postby Victory_Specification » October 14th, 2012, 6:00 pm

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If I ever lost any respect for Hamilton because of his move to Mercedes, I have regained it, AND THEN SOME.

From fighting off Raikkonen, then Grosjean and Di Resta at the same time, to TWO torro rossos, AND Perez on the very last lap - for the very last point WITH ASTROTURF attached to the the sidepod. The man is absolutely serious when he says he WILL NEVER GIVE UP. I saw the true racer in him today - pushing with a wounded car to the very last lap.

he might be a KANT out of the car- but inside it, in my books, in Brundle's books, he is one of the best if not THE best in the paddock right now.

*flame suit on* :)

PS. This championship is Seb's to lose. The end. (FRACK!!!)

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Postby 16 cycles » October 29th, 2012, 7:23 am

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Re: The Official 2012 Formula 1 season..ched

Postby Victory_Specification » October 29th, 2012, 12:22 pm

was a good race, especially that opening lap with Hamilton, Button, and Alonso. Seriously botty clenching driving from those three. The only way it would have been more entertaining is if it was Grosjean, Maldonado, Kobayashi because that would have been a mega accident.

Really looking forward to the next 3 races, I'm 60% sure it will be vettel over Alonso. I kind of hope Alonso gets it though, the determination in that man is only rivaled by Hamilton, plus he as a really cool tattoo.

Oh that steering wheel change during the pitstop for Hamilton was insane. 4 tyres, 1 steering wheel in 3.7secs.

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dark gold horse rising......

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