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Re: NEW VEHICLE PRICES IN TRINIDAD & TOBAGO

Postby agent007 » June 6th, 2020, 11:11 am

I posted this right here back in November 2011.

agent007 wrote:This new post might cause a heart-attack, anyway here goes:
I went back in the archives and I pulled the below..

1994 Price:

Audi 80 - $235,000. Vat inclusive

1995 Prices:

Honda civic 1.5 manual - $135,895.30 vat inclusive
Honda civic 1.5 manual sunroof - $139,895. Vat inclusive
Honda civic 1.5 auto - $139,895. Vat inclusive
Honda civic 1.5 auto sunroof - $144,895.20 vat inclusive
Honda civic 1.6 auto 3-door - $154,000.90 vat inclusive
Honda civic 1.6 auto - $176,032.60 vat inclusive
Honda civic 1.6 auto sunroof - $180,763.70 vat inclusive
Honda accord 2.0 - $219,001.39 vat inclusive
Honda prelude 2.2 - $299,001.05 vat inclusive
Toyota corolla gli 1.6 - $135,099.07 vat inclusive
Hyundai elantra 1.6 - $107,707. Plus vat
Hyundai scoupe 1.5 - $101,232. Plus vat
Hyundai scoupe 1.5 turbo - $104,066. Plus vat
Hyundai excel 1.5 ls - $75,017. Plus vat
Hyundai excel 1.5 gls - $87,436. Plus vat

2000 Prices:

Opel astra 1.6 - $120,000. Plus vat
Opel vectra 1.6 - $148,000. Plus vat
Opel omega 2.2 - $265,000. Plus vat
Hyundai accent 1.3 gl - $57,443. Plus vat
Hyundai accent 1.5 gls - $75,443. Plus vat
Hyundai sonata 2.0 - $142,670. Plus vat
Hyundai Coupe 2.0 - $146,897. Plus vat
Hyundai elantra 1.6 wagon - $88,468. Plus vat
Hyundai elantra 1.6 sedan - $82,468. Plus vat
Hyundai h100 truck - $74,165. Plus vat
Hyundai h100 van - $91,426. Plus vat
Skoda Felicia h/b - $54,750. Plus vat
Skoda combi wagon - $59,999. Plus vat
Skoda Octavia 1.6 sedan - $126,500. Vat inclusive
Skoda Octavia 1.6 wagon - $116,000. Plus vat
Rover 216si 3-door - $74,618.48 plus vat
Rover 216si 5-door - $78,326.09 plus vat
Rover 200vi 3-door - $99,565.22 plus vat
Ford mondeo ghia wagon 2.5 - $186,000. Plus vat
Mercedes benz 140 panel van - $115,073. Vat inclusive
Mercedes benz c180 - $210,000. Plus vat
Mercedes benz E200 - $290,000. Plus vat
Peugeot 306 1.6 auto - $111,000. Plus vat
Peugeot 306 1.6 h/b - $109,000. Plus vat
Peugeot 306 1.6 wagon – $113,000. Plus vat
Suzuki baleno 1.3 manual - $68,929. Plus vat
Suzuki baleno 1.3 auto - $79,779. Plus vat
Suzuki baleno 1.6 manual - $80,779. Plus vat
Suzuki baleno 1.6 wagon - $97,479. Plus vat
Renault scenic 1.6 - $141,591. Plus vat
Subaru legacy 2.0 - $198,228. Plus vat
Subaru legacy 2.0 wagon - $205,185. Plus vat
Subaru impreza 2.0 turbo - $215,652. Plus vat
Subaru forester 2.0 turbo - $256,522. Plus vat
Bmw 520i - $277,324. Plus vat
Bmw 318i - $199,372. Plus vat
Nissan almera 1.3 sg - $89,682. Plus vat
Seat cordoba 1.6 - $103,870. Plus vat
Seat Toledo 1.6 - $108,298. Plus vat
Seat Toledo 1.8 - $140,298. Plus vat
Peugeot 406 2.0 - $182,000. Plus vat

2001 Prices:

Hyundai elantra 1.6 gls - $110,000. Vat inclusive
Ford Focus 1.6 sedan - $113,850. Vat inclusive
Mercedes benz e240 - $365,700. Vat inclusive
Jeep grand Cherokee limited 4.7 v8 - $657,962.25 vat inclusive

2002 Price:

Mazda 6 2.0 - $205,000. Vat inclusive

2003 Prices:

Nissan almera 1.3sg - $92,505. Vat inclusive
Nissan almera 1.6sg - $106,000. Vat inclusive
Nissan almera 1.6sgl - $130,005. Vat inclusive
Nissan almera 1.6sgl sunroof - $136,005. Vat inclusive
Nissan almera 1.6sgl sunroof, rear spoiler - $141,005. Vat inclusive

2004 Prices:

Nissan cefiro 2.0 - $230,076. Vat inclusive
Nissan cefiro 2.0 leather - $245,141. Vat inclusive
Nissan cefiro 2.3 - $300,005. Vat inclusive
Nissan cefiro 3.5 - $420,505. Vat inclusive

2005 Prices:

Hyundai sonata 2.0 gls - $254,500. Vat inclusive
Hyundai sonata 2.4 gls - $291,000. Vat inclusive

2006 Prices:

Jeep grand Cherokee limited 3.0 turbo diesel - $304,120. Plus vat
Mazda 3 1.6 sunroof - $155,000. Vat inclusive

2007 Prices:

Mitsubishi l200 sportero 2.5 manual 4x2 d/c gl - $140,105. Vat inclusive
Mitsubishi l200 sportero 2.5 manual 4x2 d/c glx - $152,105. Vat inclusive
Mitsubishi l200 sportero 2.5 manual d/c gl - $194,105. Vat inclusive
Mitsubishi l200 sportero 2.5 manual d/c glx - $205,105. Vat inclusive
Mitsubishi l200 sportero 2.5 manual d/c gls - $245,105. Vat inclusive
Mitsubishi l200 sportero 2.5 auto d/c gls - $267,105. Vat inclusive
Ford ranger 4x2 s/c 2.5 - $129,000. Vat inclusive
Ford ranger 4x2 d/c 2.5 std - $139,000. Vat inclusive
Ford ranger 4x2 d/c 2.5 xl - $149,000.01 vat inclusive
Ford ranger 4x2 d/c 2.5 auto - $195,000.01 vat inclusive
Ford ranger 4x4 d/c 2.5 std - $149,000.01 vat inclusive
Ford ranger 4x4 d/c 2.5 xl - $155,000. Vat inclusive
Ford ranger 4x4 d/c 2.5 xlt - $189,000. Vat inclusive
Ford ranger 4x4 d/c 2.5 auto - $215,000. Vat inclusive
Ford ranger 4x4 d/c 3.0 auto - $229,000. Vat inclusive
Ford ranger 4x4 d/c 3.0 manual - $210,000. Vat inclusive
Hyundai h100 2.5 manual - $108,500. Vat inclusive

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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby agent007 » June 6th, 2020, 11:24 am

I saw David O'Brien with his white Volvo XC90 T6 driving above the posted speed limit for the QPS just days ago. I wonder if he as well as Mr Warner are affected? I wonder who these 10 executives are? For now, I'll use the word, 'alleged'.
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The article mentions the large number of returns to the used lot from their rental business.
rebound wrote:Looks like lease and rental returns

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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby Gladiator » June 6th, 2020, 10:44 pm

agent007 wrote:Bro and about that Fortuner, you've got to add another $224k to that $600k to get one and wait for it because it's not readily available in stock anymore for obvious reasons.

I remember back in 2005 when they first came to T&T, a Fortuner was $375k. 15yrs later, the price increased by $449k. That's an increase of $29,933. a year.

For reference, a Prado back in 2003 was $450k. Today the fully loaded Prado VX-L is $1,070k. In 17 years, the price jumped up by $620k which works out to be $36,471. a year.

A fully loaded CRV in 2003 was $255k. Today that line successor is $410k an increase of $155k in 17 years. This works out to be an increase of $9,118. per year, which is not bad compared to the above.

A fully loaded Mazda 3 in 2004 was $155k. Today, 16 years later its $238k. A jump of $83k or $5,187.50 per year.

The lowest I have right now has to be the Nissan Sentra Super Saloon B14 with sunroof which was $128k back in 1998. Today, a Sentra with leather seats is $197k, a jump of $69k or $3,137. per year. Amazing!

I know its different classes of vehicles but just something to put into perspective.

I would never buy a diesel SUV in T&T, not with that garbage fuel in my tank and engine, sorry. Instead, I might quicker head to HSM in Chase Village and get myself either a white or black Prado TX-L 2.7 petrol which is $860-870k.

That might be the better bet over a $824k diesel Fortuner.


Thank you Colm Imbert...

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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby Shalom Vanamson » June 7th, 2020, 12:10 pm

agent007 wrote:Bro and about that Fortuner, you've got to add another $224k to that $600k to get one and wait for it because it's not readily available in stock anymore for obvious reasons.

I remember back in 2005 when they first came to T&T, a Fortuner was $375k. 15yrs later, the price increased by $449k. That's an increase of $29,933. a year.

For reference, a Prado back in 2003 was $450k. Today the fully loaded Prado VX-L is $1,070k. In 17 years, the price jumped up by $620k which works out to be $36,471. a year.

A fully loaded CRV in 2003 was $255k. Today that line successor is $410k an increase of $155k in 17 years. This works out to be an increase of $9,118. per year, which is not bad compared to the above.

A fully loaded Mazda 3 in 2004 was $155k. Today, 16 years later its $238k. A jump of $83k or $5,187.50 per year.

The lowest I have right now has to be the Nissan Sentra Super Saloon B14 with sunroof which was $128k back in 1998. Today, a Sentra with leather seats is $197k, a jump of $69k or $3,137. per year. Amazing!

I know its different classes of vehicles but just something to put into perspective.

I would never buy a diesel SUV in T&T, not with that garbage fuel in my tank and engine, sorry. Instead, I might quicker head to HSM in Chase Village and get myself either a white or black Prado TX-L 2.7 petrol which is $860-870k.

That might be the better bet over a $824k diesel Fortuner.


Some valuable information here. Shows the utterly ridiculous increases in vehicle prices over the years. Wonder what justifies that the bigger engines, the increase in cost prices with every new model or according to those Stealerships *dealerships the "Way more" features compared to previous gen :roll: . I cant see myself buying a diesel vehicle in this country unless its one of those pickups other. The only thing with that gas powered Prado is thr lack of oomf compared to the diesel version.

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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby agent007 » June 7th, 2020, 12:55 pm

Lol 13.9s to 100kmph is slow I agree. But saving $200k plus engine headache to reach 100kmph in a traffic light drag slower by 2.2s is worth it, especially with the demerit points system in effect. Besides, those Toyota 2TR-FE's are known for legendary reliability. A 1KD-FTV is a good diesel engine to begin with but when batting against a proven also built by Toyota engine, then hard luck for 1KD.

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Postby Shalom Vanamson » June 7th, 2020, 1:40 pm

Went on HSM a while ago and saw a lovely specced Prado for only 850k. Like you said considering great reliability of the gas engine paired with no worries of fuel quality are good trades. Although what about the local Prado's feature list. Can it compare to examples from places like HSM etc in that regard.

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Postby agent007 » June 7th, 2020, 4:55 pm

They both are more or less the same IMO. TTTL has the VX and VX-L which are strictly diesel.

HSM (amongst others) import the TX and TX-L.

The L version usually has the roof rack and sunroof. The headunit in the TTTL version has a smaller touch screen. The grey market can be optioned with a 10" android system. I know there would be some in-depth details and differences only a sales person may identify but essentially they're the same minus the engine.

Right now you can import your own YOM 2019 TX-L for $656k landed, cleared and licensed comfortably in your garage.

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Postby aaron17 » June 7th, 2020, 5:29 pm

When the new elantra coming down?

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Postby agent007 » June 7th, 2020, 6:26 pm

I wont be holding my breath for that one. Let inventory clear out first before we see this 2021 Elantra. The virus did mess up the industry quite a bit. Maybe Q4 2020 or Q1 2021 in my estimate.

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Postby scotty_buttons » June 9th, 2020, 3:02 pm

Agent,

Ever test drive the 1.4T Audi A4? What’s your thoughts on it?

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Postby A172 » June 9th, 2020, 7:56 pm

scotty a padna bought one of those A4 1.4T last year, it was a "sport" trim also

he come by me a time and told me come outside to see his new audi, i said lolwhy and went back to what i was doing

that car reeks of cheapness, audi come like the kia/hyundai of the regular euro brands

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Postby scotty_buttons » June 9th, 2020, 10:14 pm

A172 wrote:scotty a padna bought one of those A4 1.4T last year, it was a "sport" trim also

he come by me a time and told me come outside to see his new audi, i said lolwhy and went back to what i was doing

that car reeks of cheapness, audi come like the kia/hyundai of the regular euro brands

Lol. G20 or nothing. Sport trim is failure though

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Postby agent007 » June 10th, 2020, 12:12 am

If you watch closely, the 1.4T "leather seats" is not actually leather. Its pleather and feels thin and cheap. I'm not impressed. Also the rim size is 17" which looks small in comparison to the wheel well. The model I sat in did not have sunroof, rear ac vents or premium audio. I did not drive it but was told that a lesser Jetta or Passat would embarrass it performance wise.

At $400k, get the Accord 1.5T, otherwise you should start shopping at the 320i and above.
Honestly, to add to what A172 mentioned, I feel like an Optima has reached the quality of an A4 now but that's just me.
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Postby Gladiator » June 10th, 2020, 12:35 am

This model A4 has a badly designed suspension. The wheel well is abnormally huge. SS tried outfitting it with a larger size rim and it only made it look worse like a crossover SUV. It seems as though they made it for an adjustable damper but we don't get that option so they all come with the suspension set at the max ride height...LOL

agent007 wrote:If you watch closely, the 1.4T "leather seats" is not actually leather. Its pleather and feels thin and cheap. I'm not impressed. Also the rim size is 17" which looks small in comparison to the wheel well. The model I sat in did not have sunroof, rear ac vents or premium audio. I did not drive it but was told that a lesser Jetta or Passat would embarrass it performance wise.

At $400k, get the Accord 1.5T, otherwise you should start shopping at the 320i and above.
Honestly, to add to what A172 mentioned, I feel like an Optima has reached the quality of an A4 now but that's just me.
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Postby agent007 » June 10th, 2020, 1:08 am

Ouch well that explains a lot, thanks for the info bro.

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Postby slacker_83 » June 10th, 2020, 11:21 am

Normally your recommendations are pretty solid, but in this case I won't recommend anyone paying $400+ for a 1.5 Accord. As much as I was looking forward to the release of this model, the pricing does not match what it actually cost.
agent007 wrote:If you watch closely, the 1.4T "leather seats" is not actually leather. Its pleather and feels thin and cheap. I'm not impressed. Also the rim size is 17" which looks small in comparison to the wheel well. The model I sat in did not have sunroof, rear ac vents or premium audio. I did not drive it but was told that a lesser Jetta or Passat would embarrass it performance wise.

At $400k, get the Accord 1.5T, otherwise you should start shopping at the 320i and above.
Honestly, to add to what A172 mentioned, I feel like an Optima has reached the quality of an A4 now but that's just me.
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Postby limegreen » June 10th, 2020, 11:33 am

agent007 wrote:If you watch closely, the 1.4T "leather seats" is not actually leather. Its pleather and feels thin and cheap. I'm not impressed. Also the rim size is 17" which looks small in comparison to the wheel well. The model I sat in did not have sunroof, rear ac vents or premium audio. I did not drive it but was told that a lesser Jetta or Passat would embarrass it performance wise.

At $400k, get the Accord 1.5T, otherwise you should start shopping at the 320i and above.
Honestly, to add to what A172 mentioned, I feel like an Optima has reached the quality of an A4 now but that's just me.
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Wow surprising. Maybe it’s the way they spec’d it? It always seemed to me to be the opposite, where Audi is usually better (actually surprised at how much hard plastic is in my car as well).

Lower end segments usually have leatherette in the base trim.

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Postby agent007 » June 10th, 2020, 1:34 pm

^^I recognize the B9 is not the hit as initally thought it would be in comparison to the B8 locally. The refreshed version should hopefully change things a bit. Right now in that segment, the BMW G20 seems to be on a high. We'll see how it plays off.

slacker, I share the same sentiments actually, $399k for an Accord 1.5T is absurd especially since it is subject to less taxes than the previous model. I suppose if you throw in a $303k Optima in the mix ($96k cheaper than an Accord despite subject to far more taxes), it doesn't help with the Accord's value for money factor. But with specific relation to the A4 1.4T @ $400k, which would you choose? The Accord is bigger and has more power. It will retain its resale value far better and would more than likely be more reliable and is backed by a better dealer. So only in that case, I would say Accord 1.5T > A4 1.4T

Personally, If I wanted a spacious sedan I would close my eyes and take a Mazda 6 which can be had for as low as $325k

In other news, It is my understanding that the 2020 Subaru Outback has arrived, priced at $559k :shock:

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Postby rebound » June 10th, 2020, 7:37 pm

Would the RS4 be available in TnT? Always loved the Stationwagons.

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Postby scotty_buttons » June 10th, 2020, 9:08 pm

agent007 wrote:If you watch closely, the 1.4T "leather seats" is not actually leather. Its pleather and feels thin and cheap. I'm not impressed. Also the rim size is 17" which looks small in comparison to the wheel well. The model I sat in did not have sunroof, rear ac vents or premium audio. I did not drive it but was told that a lesser Jetta or Passat would embarrass it performance wise.

At $400k, get the Accord 1.5T, otherwise you should start shopping at the 320i and above.
Honestly, to add to what A172 mentioned, I feel like an Optima has reached the quality of an A4 now but that's just me.
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The A4 pics you posted looks like an S line trim.. is this the model that has poor quality interior?

That’s so strange since almost every review I’ve read and watched praised the A4s quality interior.

Somehow I feel our region gets a lower spec and quality compared to first world countries

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Postby scotty_buttons » June 10th, 2020, 9:12 pm

Also I’d be wary of the 1.5T engines from Honda.
Seems as though they haven’t completely sorted the oil dilution issue.

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Postby drchaos » June 11th, 2020, 9:11 am

scotty_buttons wrote:Also I’d be wary of the 1.5T engines from Honda.
Seems as though they haven’t completely sorted the oil dilution issue.



They claimed software tweaks were done but who knows.

Just be a little earlier with oil changes and the problems should be moot.

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Postby agent007 » June 11th, 2020, 12:00 pm

Our CRV has zero issues as well and no other CRV owner we know of has issues with the engines. Like I mentioned previously, give it until 2022 as these said engines pack on some miles and age then we will revisit the dilution issue.

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Postby 4Motion » June 11th, 2020, 12:04 pm

rebound wrote:Would the RS4 be available in TnT? Always loved the Stationwagons.


I once asked about the RSQ3 and I was told they don’t bring in the RS vehicles due to our fuel quality.

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Postby agent007 » June 11th, 2020, 12:28 pm

Did SS ever bring in legitimate RS models to our shores?

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Postby nick639v2 » June 11th, 2020, 1:23 pm

Dunno if it came from SS but there was a gunmetal RS4 PCB plates and recently I saw a legit RS3 blue in valsayn

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Postby agent007 » June 12th, 2020, 10:58 am

I think I recall a few models now but IIRC, they work best on 98RON which is a fuel we never got so I reckon many of those higher performance engines were not putting out the proper hp and torque figures for our market. This applies to BMW's genuine M vehicles and Mercedes AMG vehicles.

There is a user, ECOTUNE, who I feel might be able to clarify this.

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Postby kamakazi » June 12th, 2020, 6:03 pm

What do you give up/lose by choosing the base model luxury sedan.
Take a 3 series for example. Is the 316 and 330 (I'm not sure if this is the Min and Max of 3 series excluding the M models) more or less the same car with a different drive train or even just a different engine.

Are the brakes improved as it goes up through the model?

Are there improvements to the chassis etc.

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Postby agent007 » June 12th, 2020, 9:54 pm

Rspann, scotty, A172 and banzai will have a field day over this post lol.

Basically the difference between an entry 3 series vs a top of the line 3 series can be but not limited to:

1. Bigger brakes (slotted 4 pistons and more) sometimes including carbon ceramic rotors
2. Firmer sport tuned suspension with a geometry setup for better acceleration, deceleration, cornering and dampening
3. More sound deadening material for lower NVH including thicker bushings, liquid filled dynamic mounts
4. Stiffer subframes with additional stamping onto the monocoque body including bracing points
5. Obviously bigger displacement engines, with more cylinders, bigger turbos, intercoolers, beefier transmissions to handle the increased torque eg. Clutches and torque converters
6. Premium audio system
7. Premium nappa leather vs Alcantara or just plain ole vinyl type pleather
8. Bigger light weight rims
9. Real carbon fiber parts
10. Laser lights vs regular LED and xenon HID
11. Sport tuned exhaust with dual or quad functional tips
12. Additional safety systems for crash avoidance and impact mitigation
13. Driver assistance technologies

Etc etc

That's just the top of my head but true premium car cuckoos will add to that and more.

A fully optioned M340i can almost be a different car completely to a base 318i.

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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby A172 » June 13th, 2020, 8:58 am

only 320, 330 and m340 actually available to buy rn

there is supposed to be a 318 which would be a detuned 2000cc later on, no 316

in any trim laser lights is an option, even an m340i comes with regular led

no G20 from lafast has laser lights and if u special order it the price would make u cry. Even abroad the price just for lasers is really high so you would see most G20 online with the adaptive led

vernasca leather is the leather for this generation, and u can option it with blue stitching or white(non m sport) stitching
i took the blue m sport stitching for my G20, for once i would say that option looks way better than alcantara

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