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zando wrote:I see the foreign used dealers bringing in the new grand Vitara fully loaded for less than the base model lifestyle has al though the warranty etc lifestyle giving is pretty good.triniboi49 wrote:And people will buy it. So we complain about the price, take 10 year loans and buy these mediocre cars for the same price of a premium luxury vehicle in the US.
That’s like 60k USD for an Impreza - that kind of money is a 7 seater SUV.
The govt taxes us hard - and govt defenders say thy can do that because we get subsidies for the gas. That excuse no longer has any merit.
I can rant on and on but the reality is it will continue and eventually my kids will be paying 1 million dollars for their generations Tiida.
foss wrote:y'all saw the new prices on the new Crosstrek 2.0L...??
The 2023 | 2024, All-New, Completely Redesigned Subaru Crosstrek 2.0L
Coming to Trinidad & Tobago in JUNE 2023
Four (4) Packages available:
Option 1
Crosstrek 2.0L Fabric - $389,000 (VI)
Option 2
Crosstrek 2.0L Fabric & EyeSight - $430,000 (VI)
Option 3
Crosstrek 2.0L Leather & EyeSight - $460,000 (VI)
Option 4
Crosstrek 2.0L Hybrid | Leather & EyeSight - $515,000 (VI)
scotty_buttons wrote:On another note,
Any new model Vezel owners here?
How’s the economy with the new Electric motor / Gas engine generator setup?
Much better than the outgoing vezel?
Any issues?
I’ve read and heard the yaris cross gets better economy than the new vezel too.
Only con with the Yaris cross is headroom is kinda cramped. I’m 5 8 and my head hits the headliner.
Looking for a small SUV for a long commute. Must be getting more than 500kms on a tank As economical as possible. Reliable. Easy resale as i don’t plan to keep it more than 3 years. 20% highway. 80% ‘B roads.’
Doesn’t have to be new. Can be local used as well.
And no, Aqua isn’t an option. Something a little more spacious.
So the issues I heard about those vezels having were for the old models? The new ones better right? Them thing selling like sauce doubles yes.drchaos wrote:scotty_buttons wrote:On another note,
Any new model Vezel owners here?
How’s the economy with the new Electric motor / Gas engine generator setup?
Much better than the outgoing vezel?
Any issues?
I’ve read and heard the yaris cross gets better economy than the new vezel too.
Only con with the Yaris cross is headroom is kinda cramped. I’m 5 8 and my head hits the headliner.
Looking for a small SUV for a long commute. Must be getting more than 500kms on a tank As economical as possible. Reliable. Easy resale as i don’t plan to keep it more than 3 years. 20% highway. 80% ‘B roads.’
Doesn’t have to be new. Can be local used as well.
And no, Aqua isn’t an option. Something a little more spacious.
Best friend has the new Vezel, should be way better than the outgoing model. The hybrid system is way better than the last gen which had a dual clutch set-up and had numerous recalls in Japan. This one just has a single gear transfer case.
He said gas mileage is amazing, Yaris cross will be better with fuel economy but a bit more limp.
Yaris cross should have better resale.
scotty_buttons wrote:On another note,
Any new model Vezel owners here?
How’s the economy with the new Electric motor / Gas engine generator setup?
Much better than the outgoing vezel?
Any issues?
I’ve read and heard the yaris cross gets better economy than the new vezel too.
Only con with the Yaris cross is headroom is kinda cramped. I’m 5 8 and my head hits the headliner.
Looking for a small SUV for a long commute. Must be getting more than 500kms on a tank As economical as possible. Reliable. Easy resale as i don’t plan to keep it more than 3 years. 20% highway. 80% ‘B roads.’
Doesn’t have to be new. Can be local used as well.
And no, Aqua isn’t an option. Something a little more spacious.
500kms on a tank is missing crucial information such as tank size.j.o.e wrote:scotty_buttons wrote:On another note,
Any new model Vezel owners here?
How’s the economy with the new Electric motor / Gas engine generator setup?
Much better than the outgoing vezel?
Any issues?
I’ve read and heard the yaris cross gets better economy than the new vezel too.
Only con with the Yaris cross is headroom is kinda cramped. I’m 5 8 and my head hits the headliner.
Looking for a small SUV for a long commute. Must be getting more than 500kms on a tank As economical as possible. Reliable. Easy resale as i don’t plan to keep it more than 3 years. 20% highway. 80% ‘B roads.’
Doesn’t have to be new. Can be local used as well.
And no, Aqua isn’t an option. Something a little more spacious.
500kms on a tank ? …. You set the bar real low there. Almost any modern car doing that, I mean regular ICE cars.
scotty_buttons wrote:On another note,
Any new model Vezel owners here?
How’s the economy with the new Electric motor / Gas engine generator setup?
Much better than the outgoing vezel?
Any issues?
I’ve read and heard the yaris cross gets better economy than the new vezel too.
Only con with the Yaris cross is headroom is kinda cramped. I’m 5 8 and my head hits the headliner.
Looking for a small SUV for a long commute. Must be getting more than 500kms on a tank As economical as possible. Reliable. Easy resale as i don’t plan to keep it more than 3 years. 20% highway. 80% ‘B roads.’
Doesn’t have to be new. Can be local used as well.
And no, Aqua isn’t an option. Something a little more spacious.
zando wrote:So the issues I heard about those vezels having were for the old models? The new ones better right? Them thing selling like sauce doubles yes.drchaos wrote:scotty_buttons wrote:On another note,
Any new model Vezel owners here?
How’s the economy with the new Electric motor / Gas engine generator setup?
Much better than the outgoing vezel?
Any issues?
I’ve read and heard the yaris cross gets better economy than the new vezel too.
Only con with the Yaris cross is headroom is kinda cramped. I’m 5 8 and my head hits the headliner.
Looking for a small SUV for a long commute. Must be getting more than 500kms on a tank As economical as possible. Reliable. Easy resale as i don’t plan to keep it more than 3 years. 20% highway. 80% ‘B roads.’
Doesn’t have to be new. Can be local used as well.
And no, Aqua isn’t an option. Something a little more spacious.
Best friend has the new Vezel, should be way better than the outgoing model. The hybrid system is way better than the last gen which had a dual clutch set-up and had numerous recalls in Japan. This one just has a single gear transfer case.
He said gas mileage is amazing, Yaris cross will be better with fuel economy but a bit more limp.
Yaris cross should have better resale.
Kritical01 wrote:The new vezel with a full tank for super fuel will easily get 800+ kms.
Kritical01 wrote:The new 2023 Sportage GT which we are receiving do not have the larger digital screen. The audio unit/infotainment system looks very dated and even the instrument cluster isn’t the top trim digital cluster which is available in the top spec Tucson. The Sportage instrument panel is digital but a watered down version.
One of the reasons I chose the Tucson.Kritical01 wrote:The new 2023 Sportage GT which we are receiving do not have the larger digital screen. The audio unit/infotainment system looks very dated and even the instrument cluster isn’t the top trim digital cluster which is available in the top spec Tucson. The Sportage instrument panel is digital but a watered down version.
Shalom Vanamson wrote:scotty_buttons wrote:On another note,
Any new model Vezel owners here?
How’s the economy with the new Electric motor / Gas engine generator setup?
Much better than the outgoing vezel?
Any issues?
I’ve read and heard the yaris cross gets better economy than the new vezel too.
Only con with the Yaris cross is headroom is kinda cramped. I’m 5 8 and my head hits the headliner.
Looking for a small SUV for a long commute. Must be getting more than 500kms on a tank As economical as possible. Reliable. Easy resale as i don’t plan to keep it more than 3 years. 20% highway. 80% ‘B roads.’
Doesn’t have to be new. Can be local used as well.
And no, Aqua isn’t an option. Something a little more spacious.
If you desire you could wait on the the new Yaris Cross that came out this week should reach our shores by year end looks better IMO a bit like the Highlander in the front.
Supra GT-FOUR wrote:500kms on a tank is missing crucial information such as tank size.j.o.e wrote:scotty_buttons wrote:On another note,
Any new model Vezel owners here?
How’s the economy with the new Electric motor / Gas engine generator setup?
Much better than the outgoing vezel?
Any issues?
I’ve read and heard the yaris cross gets better economy than the new vezel too.
Only con with the Yaris cross is headroom is kinda cramped. I’m 5 8 and my head hits the headliner.
Looking for a small SUV for a long commute. Must be getting more than 500kms on a tank As economical as possible. Reliable. Easy resale as i don’t plan to keep it more than 3 years. 20% highway. 80% ‘B roads.’
Doesn’t have to be new. Can be local used as well.
And no, Aqua isn’t an option. Something a little more spacious.
500kms on a tank ? …. You set the bar real low there. Almost any modern car doing that, I mean regular ICE cars.
Km/L is the relevant metric
Aqua can get 700+km on 30L tank of fuel
As joe said above 500km should be easy for a regular vehicle with 40L fuel tank.
Aqua given 40L of fuel should get 933km.
drchaos wrote:zando wrote:So the issues I heard about those vezels having were for the old models? The new ones better right? Them thing selling like sauce doubles yes.drchaos wrote:scotty_buttons wrote:On another note,
Any new model Vezel owners here?
How’s the economy with the new Electric motor / Gas engine generator setup?
Much better than the outgoing vezel?
Any issues?
I’ve read and heard the yaris cross gets better economy than the new vezel too.
Only con with the Yaris cross is headroom is kinda cramped. I’m 5 8 and my head hits the headliner.
Looking for a small SUV for a long commute. Must be getting more than 500kms on a tank As economical as possible. Reliable. Easy resale as i don’t plan to keep it more than 3 years. 20% highway. 80% ‘B roads.’
Doesn’t have to be new. Can be local used as well.
And no, Aqua isn’t an option. Something a little more spacious.
Best friend has the new Vezel, should be way better than the outgoing model. The hybrid system is way better than the last gen which had a dual clutch set-up and had numerous recalls in Japan. This one just has a single gear transfer case.
He said gas mileage is amazing, Yaris cross will be better with fuel economy but a bit more limp.
Yaris cross should have better resale.
Yes older models had transmission issues. New model is a totally new drivetrain design.
Below 80Km and the car is an EV with the engine charging the battery.
Over 80Km and the engine has direct connection with the wheels and drives the car via transfer case with no gears to change.
so very simple setup and has been used in other honda cars like the accord and fit earlier with little to no problems and now in the CRV and the Vezel.
Keep your AC very cold with the new hybrids since the batteries are air cooled and make sure the fan and vent system is getting cool air to the battery and they should last very long.
Kritical01 wrote:The Tucson def has all the bells and whistles as compared to the Sportage GT. Maybe it could be that the new Sportage we are receiving locally isn’t being imported from Korea as previous models but are now being manufactured in Slovakia.
scotty_buttons wrote:drchaos wrote:zando wrote:So the issues I heard about those vezels having were for the old models? The new ones better right? Them thing selling like sauce doubles yes.drchaos wrote:scotty_buttons wrote:On another note,
Any new model Vezel owners here?
How’s the economy with the new Electric motor / Gas engine generator setup?
Much better than the outgoing vezel?
Any issues?
I’ve read and heard the yaris cross gets better economy than the new vezel too.
Only con with the Yaris cross is headroom is kinda cramped. I’m 5 8 and my head hits the headliner.
Looking for a small SUV for a long commute. Must be getting more than 500kms on a tank As economical as possible. Reliable. Easy resale as i don’t plan to keep it more than 3 years. 20% highway. 80% ‘B roads.’
Doesn’t have to be new. Can be local used as well.
And no, Aqua isn’t an option. Something a little more spacious.
Best friend has the new Vezel, should be way better than the outgoing model. The hybrid system is way better than the last gen which had a dual clutch set-up and had numerous recalls in Japan. This one just has a single gear transfer case.
He said gas mileage is amazing, Yaris cross will be better with fuel economy but a bit more limp.
Yaris cross should have better resale.
Yes older models had transmission issues. New model is a totally new drivetrain design.
Below 80Km and the car is an EV with the engine charging the battery.
Over 80Km and the engine has direct connection with the wheels and drives the car via transfer case with no gears to change.
so very simple setup and has been used in other honda cars like the accord and fit earlier with little to no problems and now in the CRV and the Vezel.
Keep your AC very cold with the new hybrids since the batteries are air cooled and make sure the fan and vent system is getting cool air to the battery and they should last very long.
I thought the face lifted older vezels sorted their transmission issues. If not then I’ll void them.
I’m guessing the Nissan Kicks should be reliable as well cuz they use the same theoretical drivetrain.
Can’t seem to find any other cars that has similar engine/transmission setup.
My only concern is the battery lifetime as these smaller capacity batteries would be recharging and discharging more often than say a full electric car with a much larger battery and would result in decreased battery lifetime.
drchaos wrote:scotty_buttons wrote:drchaos wrote:zando wrote:So the issues I heard about those vezels having were for the old models? The new ones better right? Them thing selling like sauce doubles yes.drchaos wrote:scotty_buttons wrote:On another note,
Any new model Vezel owners here?
How’s the economy with the new Electric motor / Gas engine generator setup?
Much better than the outgoing vezel?
Any issues?
I’ve read and heard the yaris cross gets better economy than the new vezel too.
Only con with the Yaris cross is headroom is kinda cramped. I’m 5 8 and my head hits the headliner.
Looking for a small SUV for a long commute. Must be getting more than 500kms on a tank As economical as possible. Reliable. Easy resale as i don’t plan to keep it more than 3 years. 20% highway. 80% ‘B roads.’
Doesn’t have to be new. Can be local used as well.
And no, Aqua isn’t an option. Something a little more spacious.
Best friend has the new Vezel, should be way better than the outgoing model. The hybrid system is way better than the last gen which had a dual clutch set-up and had numerous recalls in Japan. This one just has a single gear transfer case.
He said gas mileage is amazing, Yaris cross will be better with fuel economy but a bit more limp.
Yaris cross should have better resale.
Yes older models had transmission issues. New model is a totally new drivetrain design.
Below 80Km and the car is an EV with the engine charging the battery.
Over 80Km and the engine has direct connection with the wheels and drives the car via transfer case with no gears to change.
so very simple setup and has been used in other honda cars like the accord and fit earlier with little to no problems and now in the CRV and the Vezel.
Keep your AC very cold with the new hybrids since the batteries are air cooled and make sure the fan and vent system is getting cool air to the battery and they should last very long.
I thought the face lifted older vezels sorted their transmission issues. If not then I’ll void them.
I’m guessing the Nissan Kicks should be reliable as well cuz they use the same theoretical drivetrain.
Can’t seem to find any other cars that has similar engine/transmission setup.
My only concern is the battery lifetime as these smaller capacity batteries would be recharging and discharging more often than say a full electric car with a much larger battery and would result in decreased battery lifetime.
My advice is stay away from dry dual clutch transmission ... They tend to have software issues, not made for traffic constant stop and go, overheat. Bad tech even if the manufacturer has claimed to have "fixed" it.
Difference between the vezel and kicks is that vezel will use electric motors and low speed and highway speeds will use the engine to drive the wheels. Kicks will only use the electric motors all the time. So vezel is slightly more complicated drivetrain wise.
Vezel is also easier to service the batteries, meaning to clean out the fan/air filters and battery pack.
Kicks battery is located under the front seat and transmission shifter so plenty work to get at it.
Battery should not give you much trouble for 7-8 years. The battery charge is balanced between 30 to 70 % so very little ware and tear over the years. Just keep your AC cold cause the batteries are air cooled. Deep discharge cycles and heat is what destroys Li ion batteries.
drchaos wrote:
My advice is stay away from dry dual clutch transmission ... They tend to have software issues, not made for traffic constant stop and go, overheat. Bad tech even if the manufacturer has claimed to have "fixed" it.
Difference between the vezel and kicks is that vezel will use electric motors and low speed and highway speeds will use the engine to drive the wheels. Kicks will only use the electric motors all the time. So vezel is slightly more complicated drivetrain wise.
Vezel is also easier to service the batteries, meaning to clean out the fan/air filters and battery pack.
Kicks battery is located under the front seat and transmission shifter so plenty work to get at it.
Battery should not give you much trouble for 7-8 years. The battery charge is balanced between 30 to 70 % so very little ware and tear over the years. Just keep your AC cold cause the batteries are air cooled. Deep discharge cycles and heat is what destroys Li ion batteries.
adnj wrote:drchaos wrote:
My advice is stay away from dry dual clutch transmission ... They tend to have software issues, not made for traffic constant stop and go, overheat. Bad tech even if the manufacturer has claimed to have "fixed" it.
Difference between the vezel and kicks is that vezel will use electric motors and low speed and highway speeds will use the engine to drive the wheels. Kicks will only use the electric motors all the time. So vezel is slightly more complicated drivetrain wise.
Vezel is also easier to service the batteries, meaning to clean out the fan/air filters and battery pack.
Kicks battery is located under the front seat and transmission shifter so plenty work to get at it.
Battery should not give you much trouble for 7-8 years. The battery charge is balanced between 30 to 70 % so very little ware and tear over the years. Just keep your AC cold cause the batteries are air cooled. Deep discharge cycles and heat is what destroys Li ion batteries.
This is wrong. Running your AC at maximum to prolong LiIon battery life is a myth.
Although LiIon batteries do have a desired operating temperature, that temperature maximum is typically 30 - 35°C. Considering that the hottest day ever recorded at Piarco was about 35°C, the problem that you face with battery temperature is while being parked or at start-up. LiIon batteries also degrade during high temperature storage.
During daytime storage, while parked in full sun, a sedan cabin can reach 50 - 75°C in the tropics. Cooling the mass of the battery after heat-soak takes quite a bit of thermal management and it is at that time that you are most likely to experience battery degradation.
Your best options for increasing battery life are therefore:
- parking in a structure
- tinting the cabin windows
- using a sunscreen
- allowing cabin airflow while parked
Relying on AC to cool your battery just after startup is not without its benefits but does little over the long run with respect to battery life.
drchaos wrote:
Partially wrong ... Yes keep your car cool as well while its parked will prolong your battery.
But you are ignoring the fact that a Li ion battery that is currently being used i.e being discharged and recharged while the car is being driven produces heat. If that heat is not being dissipated you are aging your battery faster.
Keep your AC cool will move colder air to your battery via its air cooling system while it is generating heat from discharging and recharging while you are driving. Therefore keeping the battery in the said operating temperature.
My 6 year old has already figure out that Li ion batteries in our ipad heat up/produce heat while being charged/discharged.
Why havent you?
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