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agent007 wrote:That's easy.....you're limited to the Hyundai Staria, Toyota Esquire or Nissan Serena. If it were me, I'll consider ordering an Esquire or Serena directly from Japan. You can message user A172 for more info.
New XV which would be introduced at the end of 2022 along with the new Impreza I'm 98 percent sure is going to have the new 1.5turbo, Subaru finally jumping on the bandwagon, I'd wait for that one.agent007 wrote:randolphinshan wrote:Great review Car. No doubt both the Frontier and Hilux at those trim levels are great vans. At 50 K more which is a lot the Hilux must have some reason to influence your choice.
Agent between the 1.6 Suburu XV at 289 k and the BT 50 1.9 4x2 what will be your pick ? Is the XV really that lethargic to the point of almost a chore to drive as some You Tube reviews say? Tried to book a test drive but there is a 2 week wait period for whatever reason.
Randolph, I will admit the XV 1.6 is no rocket ship. There is only so much 113hp and 150Nm of torque can do whilst toting around 3300lbs and continuously powering all 4 wheels. We have to remember that the S-AWD system does not engage the back wheels when wheel slip is detected. With the XV, all four wheels are being powered the moment the transmission is placed on ‘D’.
It will take you where you need to go, whether it’s Tyrico or up Paramin and at least it’s not as pathetic as the Impreza 1.6TS from years ago. I would say the XV’s performance is similar to that of a Wingroad 1.5 Y12 and some of the older 1.5 cars we’ve grown accustomed to seeing. So pathetic it is not. Lethargic? It may seem so but if you’re an older kinda guy that toned down a lot over the years with less road aggression, I would say it’s pretty okay. The reassurance of having that AWD system and best in class ground clearance makes up for its power shortfall.
Massy does offer the 2.0L version in the $400k range which is a lot more sprightly if that would appeal to you. Remember higher elevations hurt naturally aspirated engines a lot but fortunately for us in T&T, our daily commute is pretty close to sea level so that’s a plus. I mentioned this because in some of the foreign reviews of the 2.0, I think they were being too harsh and spoilt for power in their criticism of said 2.0. Subaru “fixed” this by offering a 2.5 and like even that version is not getting the appreciation it deserves. The best way to understand a vehicle and it’s capabilities is to go test drive it yourself and form your own opinion.
In terms of your reference to the BT-50, yes I am a Mazda fanboy no doubt but unless you’re purchasing that particular grade of BT-50 for commercial/business use, I won’t be caught in that as a family oriented ride at all. It all depends on what your requirements are. To me if you’re going full commercial and need a van, just get the dmax version which I would imagine may be cheaper. If you really want a van but need it to be a family hauler as well then refer to our friend carluva’s review above.
If when you drive the XV you feel like the power is not good enough, then I would encourage you to check out the 2022 Eclipse Cross Dynamic+ for $329k. Those are coming standard S-AWC, 1.5 MIVEC turbo with 8-speed paddle shift and panoramic roof etc.
I find Subaru take their sweet time before doing that... They had a 1.6 turbo that they could have put into this vehicle and others in their lineup almost 5 yrs ago. They only used it in the Levorg which we didn't getzando wrote:New XV which would be introduced at the end of 2022 along with the new Impreza I'm 98 percent sure is going to have the new 1.5turbo, Subaru finally jumping on the bandwagon, I'd wait for that one.agent007 wrote:randolphinshan wrote:Great review Car. No doubt both the Frontier and Hilux at those trim levels are great vans. At 50 K more which is a lot the Hilux must have some reason to influence your choice.
Agent between the 1.6 Suburu XV at 289 k and the BT 50 1.9 4x2 what will be your pick ? Is the XV really that lethargic to the point of almost a chore to drive as some You Tube reviews say? Tried to book a test drive but there is a 2 week wait period for whatever reason.
Randolph, I will admit the XV 1.6 is no rocket ship. There is only so much 113hp and 150Nm of torque can do whilst toting around 3300lbs and continuously powering all 4 wheels. We have to remember that the S-AWD system does not engage the back wheels when wheel slip is detected. With the XV, all four wheels are being powered the moment the transmission is placed on ‘D’.
It will take you where you need to go, whether it’s Tyrico or up Paramin and at least it’s not as pathetic as the Impreza 1.6TS from years ago. I would say the XV’s performance is similar to that of a Wingroad 1.5 Y12 and some of the older 1.5 cars we’ve grown accustomed to seeing. So pathetic it is not. Lethargic? It may seem so but if you’re an older kinda guy that toned down a lot over the years with less road aggression, I would say it’s pretty okay. The reassurance of having that AWD system and best in class ground clearance makes up for its power shortfall.
Massy does offer the 2.0L version in the $400k range which is a lot more sprightly if that would appeal to you. Remember higher elevations hurt naturally aspirated engines a lot but fortunately for us in T&T, our daily commute is pretty close to sea level so that’s a plus. I mentioned this because in some of the foreign reviews of the 2.0, I think they were being too harsh and spoilt for power in their criticism of said 2.0. Subaru “fixed” this by offering a 2.5 and like even that version is not getting the appreciation it deserves. The best way to understand a vehicle and it’s capabilities is to go test drive it yourself and form your own opinion.
In terms of your reference to the BT-50, yes I am a Mazda fanboy no doubt but unless you’re purchasing that particular grade of BT-50 for commercial/business use, I won’t be caught in that as a family oriented ride at all. It all depends on what your requirements are. To me if you’re going full commercial and need a van, just get the dmax version which I would imagine may be cheaper. If you really want a van but need it to be a family hauler as well then refer to our friend carluva’s review above.
If when you drive the XV you feel like the power is not good enough, then I would encourage you to check out the 2022 Eclipse Cross Dynamic+ for $329k. Those are coming standard S-AWC, 1.5 MIVEC turbo with 8-speed paddle shift and panoramic roof etc.
Welll, true, however that was a JDM only vehicle, also not sure if that 1.6 would have suited Subarus worldwide needs, usually these new engines are world engines which means they have to be designed for a broad market and not just for one region which is what that 1.6 in the levorg was, so it would make sense for them to design a new engine that would meet broader needs.kamakazi wrote:I find Subaru take their sweet time before doing that... They had a 1.6 turbo that they could have put into this vehicle and others in their lineup almost 5 yrs ago. They only used it in the Levorg which we didn't getzando wrote:New XV which would be introduced at the end of 2022 along with the new Impreza I'm 98 percent sure is going to have the new 1.5turbo, Subaru finally jumping on the bandwagon, I'd wait for that one.agent007 wrote:randolphinshan wrote:Great review Car. No doubt both the Frontier and Hilux at those trim levels are great vans. At 50 K more which is a lot the Hilux must have some reason to influence your choice.
Agent between the 1.6 Suburu XV at 289 k and the BT 50 1.9 4x2 what will be your pick ? Is the XV really that lethargic to the point of almost a chore to drive as some You Tube reviews say? Tried to book a test drive but there is a 2 week wait period for whatever reason.
Randolph, I will admit the XV 1.6 is no rocket ship. There is only so much 113hp and 150Nm of torque can do whilst toting around 3300lbs and continuously powering all 4 wheels. We have to remember that the S-AWD system does not engage the back wheels when wheel slip is detected. With the XV, all four wheels are being powered the moment the transmission is placed on ‘D’.
It will take you where you need to go, whether it’s Tyrico or up Paramin and at least it’s not as pathetic as the Impreza 1.6TS from years ago. I would say the XV’s performance is similar to that of a Wingroad 1.5 Y12 and some of the older 1.5 cars we’ve grown accustomed to seeing. So pathetic it is not. Lethargic? It may seem so but if you’re an older kinda guy that toned down a lot over the years with less road aggression, I would say it’s pretty okay. The reassurance of having that AWD system and best in class ground clearance makes up for its power shortfall.
Massy does offer the 2.0L version in the $400k range which is a lot more sprightly if that would appeal to you. Remember higher elevations hurt naturally aspirated engines a lot but fortunately for us in T&T, our daily commute is pretty close to sea level so that’s a plus. I mentioned this because in some of the foreign reviews of the 2.0, I think they were being too harsh and spoilt for power in their criticism of said 2.0. Subaru “fixed” this by offering a 2.5 and like even that version is not getting the appreciation it deserves. The best way to understand a vehicle and it’s capabilities is to go test drive it yourself and form your own opinion.
In terms of your reference to the BT-50, yes I am a Mazda fanboy no doubt but unless you’re purchasing that particular grade of BT-50 for commercial/business use, I won’t be caught in that as a family oriented ride at all. It all depends on what your requirements are. To me if you’re going full commercial and need a van, just get the dmax version which I would imagine may be cheaper. If you really want a van but need it to be a family hauler as well then refer to our friend carluva’s review above.
If when you drive the XV you feel like the power is not good enough, then I would encourage you to check out the 2022 Eclipse Cross Dynamic+ for $329k. Those are coming standard S-AWC, 1.5 MIVEC turbo with 8-speed paddle shift and panoramic roof etc.
I dunno, to me it would have made sense for them to redesign the engine to meet different standards, remember that engine going to the u.s. also so it would need to meet specific standards to go there, I doubt that 1.6 would have done it for them, I agree it is a good engine but I don't think it was made for everyone.agent007 wrote:The FB16T was well suited for the XV that uses the base FB16 port injected version. What Subaru did was threw in Direct Injection + turbo to achieve 168hp and 250Nm of peak torque (a jump of 55hp and 100Nm respectively over the non turbo). This would have been ideal, but I suspect it was bean counting all the while.
Haaaa welll I see the 0-60 time for a levorg is about 8.6 seconds, the Cruze supposed to be faster but, who knows, also your link not workingagent007 wrote:https://trinidadexpress.com/business/local/volvo-s-c40-recharge-coming-to-t-t/article_8c616d46-afca-11ec-a146-13857f03cff0.html
Prepare alluh self for an EV era…
Btw zando, I would love to see some digs and highway pulls with a Levorg and a Cruze. Have a feeling the Chevy would still win.
noobie wrote:Is the top post here ever updated? How accurate are those prices?
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Isn't that more than a CR-V now?agent007 wrote:Honda fanboys would be pleased to know that the 2022 HRV Hybrid is being pre-booked right now at a special intro price of $389k at ANSA Motors.
Some grey market roro dealers selling the exact vehicle for $289k and yes they’re 2022 models lol. I wish ANSA plenty luck with that one.
I know looks are subjective and the vehicle may actually perform very well in the real world, but it really has polarizing looks.... putting it mildly.agent007 wrote:^so true.
So in more Hyundai news, have you ever gotten a bad drive from a north-south taxi H-1? Well as those vehicles deteriorate and drop like flies, it's replacement is now known as the Staria based on a unibody platform.
So not only can they just bad drive us, they have better handling dynamics to get away with it too.
We welcome a bona-fide minivan to our market once again. The 2022 Staria CRDi with 8AT transmission.
$483,000. for P and T
$432,000. for H
Why?aaron17 wrote:Broooo.. the amount of Rubicon I seeing on the road makes me want one lol..
*in my dreams
carluva wrote:Why?aaron17 wrote:Broooo.. the amount of Rubicon I seeing on the road makes me want one lol..
*in my dreams
I mean, it looks good and has some good tech.
But with a 3 star crash safety rating from ANCAP, solid axle instead of IFS (resulting in an unimpressive on road ride quality and handling), what is the appeal if you are not using it for the true off road machine it truly is?
They include passive and active safety also, so it's not just about how well a car crumples now lol so things like lane keep assist, and auto braking etc would add or subtract from the score depending on if the vehicle has the feature or not, I don't think wranglers have all those gizmos so it will get a lower eating, also the newest thing that is being tested are headlights, so if your vehicle has poor or good headlights that will also affect the safety rating.agent007 wrote:Sometimes I wonder about these crash ratings. A Kia Cerato got 5 stars yet if that nonsense so happen to crash into a Wrangler, I bet the real world results would show the Kia looking like a crushed coke can and the Wrangler's giant wheel absorbed most of the impact. But who is to say, those Jeeps are bad road conquerors.
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