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Why u dont need a cap..........

Postby Kasey » September 25th, 2007, 8:54 pm

For those of u who can understand and really appreciate it, i got this while browsing. Great info and according to my knowledge of electricity, pretty accurate.

http://forum.realmofexcursion.com/showt ... hp?t=17970

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Postby 3stagevtec » September 26th, 2007, 4:09 am

it have cliff notes for that article?? :shock:

i still keeping my cap! it charges up faster than a battery and is able to release that charge quicker than a battery also... yes, it doesn't hold any where near as much total energy as a battery, but that is not the reason they are used..

(i didn't read everything.. too long.. :oops: )

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Postby SnipeR » September 26th, 2007, 9:57 am

should be in the I.C.E Forum.......
read this thread a while ago. interesting read...

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Postby DJ Q » September 26th, 2007, 11:00 pm

i don't even need to read it...

i read about this on www.bcae1.com

the internet is a good thing oui...

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Postby Lordshelinator » September 27th, 2007, 11:10 am

I think you should read this also:
"This is a post from another board to this same article. Don't believe everything you read. The article above stinks of half build conclusions.
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Well, I am not a car audio guy, but I am an electrical engineer.

If I read it correctly, the article tries to build a case that an audio system should ever need a large bypass capacitor to answer surge demands by the amplifier.

Indeed.

By his same logic, no circuit card should ever need bypass capacitors. I am sure that motherboard manufacturers and the rest of the electronics industry will be glad to hear this. All this time, we have been using bypass capacitors on all of our digital components for naught.

The writer is quite impressed with his own limited knowledge of Ohm's law. Conveniently, he leaves out the effects of Faraday's Law, Coulomb's Law, and Maxwell's Laws. These too define how voltage and current conditions can change within a complete system. The inherent inductances, capacitances, and resistances in system wiring alone are enough to affect conditions at the power input to the amplifier in the millisecond range (which will translate to an effect on sound quality). He cites plots taken at a 40 sample/seond rate. This addresses sound quality all the way up to a whopping 20 Hertz (re: Nyquist's sampling rule). Scope tracings at a more realistic rate of interest to audiophiles (say 50 kHz) should tell a whole 'nother story. He discounts minor deviations in the tracings as an effect of alternator temperature. The devil is in the details - not that you can see much at that blindingly fast sampling rate of 40 Hertz.

Ignore the fact that everything else in the system, including the "primary source" (the alternator) has inherent ESR. Ignore the fact that batteries have an ESR. Ignore the battery's transient response (due to the nature of the chemical reactions that need to occur to supply the current) when a step load increase is applied from a booming bass hit. Ignore the transient response time of the alternator's regulator circuit.

Better yet - ignore the whole article."

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Postby SR » September 27th, 2007, 11:27 am

i curious

open an amplifier and guess whats located on the board close to the power supply



yes thats right

a bank of of guess what



CAPACITORS...........................DUHHHH

i wonder why


now having said that

there are times when you should use one and times when it is not needed

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Postby nigel1977 » September 27th, 2007, 11:43 am

When would it not be needed. That's the "grey area".

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Postby jeff » September 27th, 2007, 11:56 am

well for sure its not needed in spl cars
and for those people who car lights keep dipping

it can be used to 'smoothen' yur voltage tho

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Postby Chiney » September 27th, 2007, 12:06 pm

it can be used to 'smoothen' yur voltage tho



same thought i had in my head

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Postby Lordshelinator » September 27th, 2007, 2:29 pm

^^^^^^Agreed.I think some people get caught up in,"how ah sounding?" aspect of car audio that they sometimes forget the electrical aspect,especially the load on a car's electrical system.A capacitor,the right capacitor,can insure a good steady flow of D.C. voltage to your amp.I too am curious,I never open an amp and see 10 farad capacitor in it......probably is dem new amp. :lol:
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Postby jeff » September 27th, 2007, 2:47 pm

Lordshelinator wrote:capacitor,the right capacitor,can insure a good steady flow of D.C. to your amp.I too am curious,I never open an amp and see 10 farad capacitor in it......probably is dem new amp. :lol:


sorry but smoothing the voltage does not mean this
and no one said amps have 10 farad caps in them...more in the range of micro farads

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Postby Lordshelinator » September 27th, 2007, 3:12 pm

jeff wrote:
Lordshelinator wrote:capacitor,the right capacitor,can insure a good steady flow of D.C. to your amp.I too am curious,I never open an amp and see 10 farad capacitor in it......probably is dem new amp. :lol:


sorry but smoothing the voltage does not mean this
and no one said amps have 10 farad caps in them...more in the range of micro farads


Actually,this is exactly what it means.If you steady the voltage you also steady the current also.Its a relationship thus if your voltage drops your current peaks.However I will clarify for the noobs out there.

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