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The Quest for a Great System

Postby DJ Q » June 2nd, 2011, 2:07 pm

Hi All,

I was driving home last night listening to some old Pop and realised that it's about time I got myself some REAL comps. The entry level stuff that I have isn't really doing it for me anymore. I currently have a pair of Powerbass S-6c. Now don't get me wrong, these sound amazing for the price, but I just want more.

I ran a search for "comps" and "components" and other things but only coming up with limited info.

What I'm looking for is defined upfront bass, high quality mid range and smooth highs. That said, I'd much prefer silk dome tweeters than anything else. It must be able to get loud when I hear my favorites come up. Let me clarify, loud does not mean park up by the doubles man and blast for the neighbourhood, but I want to crank it up sometimes. I also appreciate notes down to 60 even 50 Hz if possible as I'm planning to use this without a sub most of the time.

My doors are already deadened. Comps must be 6.5". I have 100rms @ 4 ohm or 200 @ 2 available.
It'd be nice to use all 200 :D

There is no budget limit as I don't care what it costs.

Here's what I need from you:
- Brand
- Model
- Reference website (if available)
- Price
- Where to get it
- Your experience (if any)

Thanks much!

PS: Hope I've been as detailed as I could.
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Re: The Quest for great Components

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Re: The Quest for great Components

Postby pimptacular » June 2nd, 2011, 2:16 pm

hybrid audio and morel are the 2 brands readily available with great customer support that can take that 200watts

dls and morels you would get really nice highs from their tweeters from any1 of their lines
between those 3 brands you can pick 1 an not be disappointed
at that point it would just be a matter of preference and actual budget of how much you would ideally like to spend

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Re: The Quest for great Components

Postby DJ Q » June 2nd, 2011, 2:20 pm

silent_riot wrote:Rainbow Reference 3 way


Very interesting but I want a 2-way set.

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Re: The Quest for great Components

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Re: The Quest for great Components

Postby pimptacular » June 2nd, 2011, 2:25 pm

http://www.morelhifi.com/products/mob_2way.html
http://dls.se/en/car/prod.html?produkt=en_16
http://www.hybrid-audio.com/products.htm

as i said you cant go wrong but if u like smooth easy on the ears silk domes.. morel and dls are hard to be beat

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Re: The Quest for great Components

Postby DJ Q » June 2nd, 2011, 2:26 pm

pimptacular wrote:hybrid audio and morel are the 2 brands readily available with great customer support that can take that 200watts

dls and morels you would get really nice highs from their tweeters from any1 of their lines
between those 3 brands you can pick 1 an not be disappointed
at that point it would just be a matter of preference and actual budget of how much you would ideally like to spend


Any thread with some prices?
(Hate to ask... but...) In your opinion, which of those 3 brands gave you the best results?

I know you're an all out SQ guy, so I'd respect your opinion very much

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Re: The Quest for great Components

Postby pimptacular » June 2nd, 2011, 2:43 pm

i use morel so im biased as i have personally used and using the elate and tempo lines

i like all 3 brands and thats y i said u cant go wrong.. but if silky smooth easy on the ears high is what your looking for.. morel or dls
those elates do like power though and thats when it really shine

but you must have a budget in mind..

for prices you would have to contact each dealer separately or just attend a sq meet
but ive said before the prices you get from edhardy for morel you cant really get cheaper this side of the atlantic

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Re: The Quest for great Components

Postby Soundstream_626 » June 2nd, 2011, 3:42 pm

you only have 2 channels of power to dedicate to the front? If u got more, its a whole new ballgame. As far as what i heard for myself the DLS RS6A is one of the hardest sets to beat in its price range

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Re: The Quest for great Components

Postby gfbl » June 2nd, 2011, 3:56 pm

silent_riot wrote:Rainbow Reference 2 way


ass lol :lol: :lol:

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Re: The Quest for great Components

Postby Aaron 2NR » June 2nd, 2011, 3:59 pm

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http://dls.se/en/car/prod.html?produkt=en_68


used in both my navara and civic...great component....clean and clear

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Re: The Quest for great Components

Postby Sully » June 2nd, 2011, 4:40 pm

Dynaudio Esotec System 242 - http://www.dynaudio.com/eng/auto/esotec/242.php - Around $1000
Focal Utopia Be No.5 - http://www.focal-america.com/speakers/no-5-active/ - MSRP $4300
Hertz Mille MLK 2 TW - http://www.hertzaudiovideo.com - Don't know the price, but should be just under $1000
Pioneer TS-C172PRS - http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/ ... TS-C172PRS - MSRP $1000

I wish I were in your shoes when it comes to no budget.

There are more cost effective options suggested like the Hybrid, DLS, and Morel. (I've heard many cars with these brands, and with proper installation they all sound really good.) I would also suggest that you try to source something locally so that you can get support from the dealer when things aren't going as you planned.

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Re: The Quest for great Components

Postby pimptacular » June 2nd, 2011, 5:22 pm

Sully wrote:Dynaudio Esotec System 242 - http://www.dynaudio.com/eng/auto/esotec/242.php - Around $1000
Focal Utopia Be No.5 - http://www.focal-america.com/speakers/no-5-active/ - MSRP $4300
Hertz Mille MLK 2 TW - http://www.hertzaudiovideo.com - Don't know the price, but should be just under $1000
Pioneer TS-C172PRS - http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/ ... TS-C172PRS - MSRP $1000

I wish I were in your shoes when it comes to no budget.

There are more cost effective options suggested like the Hybrid, DLS, and Morel. (I've heard many cars with these brands, and with proper installation they all sound really good.) I would also suggest that you try to source something locally so that you can get support from the dealer when things aren't going as you planned.


i feel the focal be no 7 might be better :wink:
but q as u can see.. you gotta put a budget so we can be of more use and reccomend something

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Re: The Quest for great Components

Postby nervewrecker » June 2nd, 2011, 5:50 pm

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=340391&hilit=jbl+p660c

review & price inside. dealer: DE audio

demo, I looking to hit the new owner a pm to check him a day within the following weeks.

also, the morel tempo set. around the same price range, can get pretty loud, smooth & be crossed pretty low.

power handling might decrease with crossing lower than recommended but it will take it for your no sub application. heck, I even run my comps full range once to see what will happen (will post the vid wen I get a chance).

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Re: The Quest for great Components

Postby DJ Q » June 2nd, 2011, 6:41 pm

silent_riot wrote:Rainbow Reference 2 way


6.9" will be too big.
Still seems to be a very good set

pimptacular wrote:http://www.morelhifi.com/products/mob_2way.html

as i said you cant go wrong but if u like smooth easy on the ears silk domes.. morel and dls are hard to be beat


I've always wanted to hear a set of Morels. Had a chance with SS_626 but the car show was getting too loud. I ran a search in car audio classifieds and didn't see any sales ads.

Soundstream_626 wrote:you only have 2 channels of power to dedicate to the front? If u got more, its a whole new ballgame. As far as what i heard for myself the DLS RS6A is one of the hardest sets to beat in its price range


I can get more, but I just want a 2 way. It's not about full SQ... just upfront bass... high quality mids and smooth highs. Don't really care for the imaging, staging, tonal accuracy etc. as I'm not planning to go up for competition.

Aaron 2NR wrote:Image

http://dls.se/en/car/prod.html?produkt=en_68


used in both my navara and civic...great component....clean and clear


demo?

Sully wrote:Hertz Mille MLK 2 TW - http://www.hertzaudiovideo.com - Don't know the price, but should be just under $1000


Nice.

pimptacular wrote:i feel the focal be no 7 might be better :wink:
but q as u can see.. you gotta put a budget so we can be of more use and reccomend something


Something about the no. 7 i don't like. Maybe the 55Hz freq response. I like how the DLS Gothia is 30 - 25KHz...

And I'm serious when I say no budget. I know what I'm looking for... don't really care for the cost.

pioneer... you know anyone with those comps installed? I'd like to hear them.

nervewrecker... give me a call when you going to that demo. I'd like to hear them.

Powersellers please stop PMing me and post your info here.
Others may be interested as well.

Thanks a lot for all the responses thus far!
Leaning towards Morel's Supremo or DLS Gothia so far...

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Re: The Quest for great Components

Postby FD3S » June 2nd, 2011, 7:07 pm

Dan, IMHO you don't need to break the bank on super high end components to get what you looking for.
The easiest route may be to go active with a set of decent components, sub and some DSP tool. You would be amazed at what proper processing can do to some average speakers.

Also asking anything <60 hz even <70 hertz with meaningful output from 6.5 midwoofers is quite a task. This is not to say you can't have upfront bass. Just have to properly equalize between your sub and midbass.

Finally my suggestion for highend comps is JBL660GTi. JBL 608GTi if on a budget

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Postby Soundstream_626 » June 2nd, 2011, 7:38 pm

https://www.madisound.com/store/product ... cts_id=846

https://www.madisound.com/store/product ... cts_id=541

Going active will have benefits even if u not going for staging. Look at the price of these drivers.

two tweets and two mids should set u back about roughly 1500. Brian Steele could chime in on what he thinks about those Silver Flute drivers as I believe he is using or has used those.

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Postby silent_riot » June 2nd, 2011, 7:57 pm

Use some of that money for processing, installation and installation materials.
The experienced heads will be able to advise you best.
You should attend an ICE club test and tune or an IASCA Sound Q competition and listen to some cars. Note the cars that you prefer and also those which are similarly shaped to your car, and model your system similarly.

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Re: The Quest for great Components

Postby SR » June 2nd, 2011, 9:24 pm

coming soon the upgrade to the dls rs6a's
http://dls.se/en/car/prod.html?produkt=en_844

with the new nanoplate designed tweeter

demo will be available at the end of june
cost will be under $2000tt
these speakers have proven themselves both in competition and as daily system locally


also thes speakers can be bi amped as the xovers are separate for the tweets and mid bass allowing you to run specific amp channel per driver and more power to the mid bass than the tweet

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Re: The Quest for great Components

Postby GVTrini07 » June 2nd, 2011, 9:56 pm

Come to one of the test and tunes or SQ competition. You can also arrange to have a demo of some of the system belonging to various forum users, ice club members and you judge if any of them sound like what you are looking for, or aiming to attain. Get info on what treatment they used, cross over points and slope if active etc. If running passive well its Manfu dependant. Ask about the small tricks or tips on achieving that results.

Remember the most expensive components does not mean it will sound best. You should know that. The cheapest components have the ability to sound great. You have an idea about what you expect from a sound system, so IMO just throwing out names of components brands etc will do nothing to tell you what potential they have. You listening to them installed and learning what is needed to be done to have it sound like that is more valuable.

Couple years ago SR used a set of components in a Van which was not designed for sound quality but it still placed first in an open class (please no one brag about this again). Why did it win? I would say its what the installer did which made the difference than the type of components used. Well SR doing the install, what you expect... right!

Q - before you commit an open budget, demo cars. Talk to the owners. Get the info on what worked and also what did not as no car is the same. You would not believe the + difference a little plastacine on a properly dynamat door made to my system. As for info, we all start from somewhere and we all needed info tips and tricks. Those who choose not to share is selfish. I do not know all there is to know, but I can show you what worked for me and what did not if you want a demo.

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Re: The Quest for great Components

Postby SR » June 2nd, 2011, 10:17 pm

80% install 20% equipment

the van had zero sound damping but all speakers were properly installed in the stock oem locations

same for the honda s2000

also use the kiss code
Keep It Simple Stupid

somtimes when trying to go with a complex install you end up not getting it rite then blame eveything and eveyone else (especially if in competition)
recomend auditioning different speakers and if possible different systems setup then make a decision

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Postby Brian Steele » June 2nd, 2011, 10:44 pm

Soundstream_626 wrote: Brian Steele could chime in on what he thinks about those Silver Flute drivers as I believe he is using or has used those.


I'm still using them and still quite happy with them. Along with the Seas fabric-dome neo tweeters. Very smooth sound. I'm using passive filtering for my front stage though. Madisound designed an x-over for me for an extra $25.

I'm getting the upgrade itch though, and those B&C 6.5" neo drivers are catching my eye...

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Re: The Quest for great Components

Postby gfbl » June 2nd, 2011, 11:00 pm

why not look at genesis absolutes or alpine f1 components

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Re: The Quest for great Components

Postby Sully » June 3rd, 2011, 7:03 am

Q, Attend the next IASCA SQ event. With the owner's permission, you'll get to hear what their competition setup sounds like. My advice is listen to the vehicles first, then find out what they have, so you'll go into it with an open mind. Another thing to note is that their competition EQ settings (and possibly xover settings) may not be the same as their daily driver settings.

The point of my first post is that you must have a budget in mind, and not just for the comps, but for the entire system. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

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Re: The Quest for great Components

Postby silent_riot » June 3rd, 2011, 7:17 am

DJ Q, yuh win the lotto or something?

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Re: The Quest for great Components

Postby DJ Q » June 3rd, 2011, 1:57 pm

Guys, I appreciate all of your wisdom and everything. As GVTrini said... I know the 80/20 rule. I don't want an active setup... I just want to upgrade the components. I never said that I wanted to get a complexed setup. I know I'll have to upgrade my amp as well. Just wanted to get an idea of some great speakers.

So far I'm most impressed by the Morel Supremo 6

What's the price and who's the dealer?

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Re: The Quest for great Components

Postby SR » June 3rd, 2011, 2:02 pm

Safe & Sound Systems Ltd
Corner Aldana and Armour Streets
Princes Town
Tel. +1 868 655 4403
lawrencealitt@yahoo.com

http://www.morelhifi.com/dealer/dealer. ... 2&q=mobile

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Postby DJ Q » June 3rd, 2011, 2:07 pm

^Called the number and I'm getting no answer... Any idea of the price?

Will send an email to Lawrence now...

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Postby SR » June 3rd, 2011, 2:17 pm

check wiseone on this forum he has a retail outlet for the product
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Re: The Quest for great Components

Postby nigel1977 » June 3rd, 2011, 2:31 pm

[img]Hybrid Audio Clarus
More than what you need.


http://hybrid-audio.com/clarus_two_way.htm

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$3500.00

To the bottom of that page, there is a review of the set.



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