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analog or digital

Postby SR » March 3rd, 2014, 8:03 am

watch this video clip to get some insight on the differences between analog and digital sound and why mp3/compressed music format just doesn't sound right compared to the original cd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR7227_ ... ata_player

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Re: analog or digital

Postby ruffneck_12 » March 3rd, 2014, 7:06 pm

Walking around with a big vinyl disk is a bit of a hassle
So what if we take the same hassle and applied it to digital media, Ie .WAV format audio?

wav files are generally big (just like vinyl) without the compression of mp3

win-win situation

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Re: analog or digital

Postby ruffneck_12 » March 3rd, 2014, 7:47 pm

I generated a 20kHz tone in audacity and saved it as different formats (was too lazy to do ALL the different bitrate/bitdepth/samplerate combos)


20kHZ tone for 1 second
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(note how the mp3 waveforms out of phase and all kinda crap with the pure FLAC/WAV waveforms, even at the highest quality of 320kbps @ 48000Hz sampling rate)

The FLAC and WAV was the exact same wave as the generated wav so I didnt bother to include the original

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File size comparison, all the files were 1 second long.

I gonna go FLAC all the way now yes. Memory cards getting cheaper/bigger and modern media players/fones cud support FLAC.

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Re: analog or digital

Postby Wolfstein » March 3rd, 2014, 8:24 pm

that's what i say all de time. to make the files smaller so MORE can fit on a disc or thumb drive the files have to be compressed during the compression stage bits are lost which in turn the sound quality is depreciated. FLAC and WAV files are typically uncompressed files. in these recent times music is generally record as a highly compressed file as opposed the past where it was more so to say more dynamic. all that was made better was the no hissing, file size etc....
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Re: analog or digital

Postby pjfred » March 3rd, 2014, 8:47 pm

But didn't we know this?

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Re: analog or digital

Postby Wolfstein » March 3rd, 2014, 8:57 pm

pjfred wrote:But didn't we know this?

well buddie to be real some of do and others well..... its just food for thought as i see it

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Re: analog or digital

Postby kurpal_v2 » March 3rd, 2014, 9:49 pm

:deadhorse:

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Re: analog or digital

Postby nervewrecker » March 3rd, 2014, 9:53 pm

Can't hear the difference between mp3 and originals on my 4 rcf and nb1's, caura say so.

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Re: analog or digital

Postby SR » March 4th, 2014, 7:33 am

more like because your hearing has already been permanently damaged ...........not you nerve but in general many people in the car audio world locally already have permanent hearing loss due to the abuse they have given their ears over the years and the new people coming into follow what the "reputable" installers and competitors claim is good sound and fall straight into thinking that is what is best without even being taught the correct way

shops take advantage of this some because they themselves don't know better either and most because its a "sale" which is better than giving correct advice

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Re: analog or digital

Postby Fearless » March 6th, 2014, 10:14 am

The only problem with FLAC and WAV is that there isn't many HU that support these formats. Nowadays is really mp3 or AAC through ipod playback that are dominant. Also mp3 and AAC are easier to get(online) than FLAC and WAV.

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Re: analog or digital

Postby crazybalhead » March 11th, 2014, 2:24 pm

Yeah fearless, but as long as you understand and expect a slightly shittier "compressed" sound, than it's all good. The problem is men say there is no difference, but you can definitely hear it. hell, you even hear it between a 128K and 320k MP3 sample rate.

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Re: analog or digital

Postby rsxpert » March 29th, 2014, 7:04 pm

SR wrote:more like because your hearing has already been permanently damaged ...........not you nerve but in general many people in the car audio world locally already have permanent hearing loss due to the abuse they have given their ears over the years and the new people coming into follow what the "reputable" installers and competitors claim is good sound and fall straight into thinking that is what is best without even being taught the correct way

shops take advantage of this some because they themselves don't know better either and most because its a "sale" which is better than giving correct advice


hopefully ive seen this in time :scared:

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Re: analog or digital

Postby xeon » March 31st, 2014, 2:07 pm

Anyone ever tried WMA lossless format? Most headunits play WMA, so it another option.

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