Official VAG DSG/Dual Clutch Transmission Thread

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

My sales rep at BA contacted me...I expressed my concerns wrt to issues identified with the Jetta and BA agreed there were issues and that the new shipment; issues were addressed. I inquired; if BA ever considered giving an extended warranty period and mileage to new and existing owners. The response was negative. I was even referred to this forum...I think was only to show that BA was addressing the issues though.

Maybe BA should consider extended warranty; in fairness to customers and trying to regain their confidence levels...even if it for a specific period until they are 100% sure. Just identifying with issues and treating with them may not be acceptable to some owners...time = money; the least you expect is a worry free vehicle for at least 5 years especially when it is the likes of VW, Audi and BMW...not to mention the prices associated with purchasing, parts and maintenance for the Euros.

I think that's a good point you raised on the extended warranty. Let's be fair. A lot of the research I did was because after purchasing it came to my awareness that the reliability of the dq200 was being called into question. No one had definitive answers so I had to dig deep. I asked BA about extended warranty for peace of mind for this same issue in early 2013 and it was ever addressed.

Some might say extended warranty is not needed but say what you want cuz Audi/southern sales offer 4 years warranty off the bat... VW's subsidiary/sister company offers FOUR years warranty locally off the bat while sharing similar part numbers underneath.

At this point after a solution from VW to and explanation for the mechatronic issues with the dq200 I have no worries about the reliability of the 7 speed dsg. At this point I would go as far as to say a person can buy a new jetta without worrying (which is not what I used to say on here before). But I can fully understand why a new purchaser might be skeptical.

[EcoTune Trinidad]

^^Co-sign..especially after purchasing to perform a decent number of mods to software and hardware

[neexis]

@oogan : BA reps are fully aware of these threads and posts on tuner. Some of them even post here.

As for the extended warranty, I had also asked about it when I was considering purchase. It sounded like something they may have been working on but never came to light. I doubt they will actually do it for customers to regain confidence now, as the brand is currently doing better than ever in Trinidad.... Jettas are everywhere!

@Allergic... maybe Audi gets that 4 year warranty cuz Southern Sales usually needs more time to diagnose, source parts and solve problems
As much as I want an Audi, service and support from SS will always have me thinking twice. Kinda sad considering that may be the most high end brand they offer.

[4Motion]

I can tell you that Audi 4 year warranty saves you quite a lot of money. One of my friends purchased their Audi Q5 the same month and year as when i purchased my Tiguan. They have to date spent about a 1/4 of me on maintenance and repairs. I even know of someone who has had a free full engine replacement on their 3.0TDI Q7. some piece of mind I guess

Glad they are sorting out the DSG problems. They really are spectacular technology.

[oogan]

neexis - a lil bit again...I say you're working for BA

Just remember I did say the Jettas were excellent vehicles...except for this bit of doubt. That's the problem with we Trinis....we prefer to accept and move on...not me bro. They have to do better than that...remember Renault.

[neexis]

Haha... not working for them. They've done their fair share of nonsense too. Probably the one redeeming feature is the service from the sales rep even after purchase who was able to address and sort out said nonsense.

I researched these vehicles for a good 6 months or more before buying... (Ask Bunny ) so I can say I know what I was getting myself into... more of a calculated risk.
At that price point, nothing the japs were offering even came close wrt performance, safety and creature comforts.

Btw I went for a Passat. I would still buy a Jetta right now without even thinking about it.

[EcoTune Trinidad]

Haha... not working for them. They've done their fair share of nonsense too. Probably the one redeeming feature is the service from the sales rep even after purchase who was able to address and sort out said nonsense.

I researched these vehicles for a good 6 months or more before buying... (Ask Bunny ) so I can say I know what I was getting myself into... more of a calculated risk.
At that price point, nothing the japs were offering even came close wrt performance, safety and creature comforts.

Btw I went for a Passat. I would still buy a Jetta right now without even thinking about it.

After you drive in either my Jetta or Bunny's, I am certain you will buy the morning after with additional confidence...

[carluva]

Well after that mechatronics fix, I am pleased to say that so far my Passat is working tops.

Regrettably, I'm gonna put it up for sale it as I may have an opportunity to upgrade soon.

Anyone interested, put them onto me... I have the car on trinituner with some pics.

Link below
viewtopic.php?f=55&t=575455

[neexis]

Haha... not working for them. They've done their fair share of nonsense too. Probably the one redeeming feature is the service from the sales rep even after purchase who was able to address and sort out said nonsense.

I researched these vehicles for a good 6 months or more before buying... (Ask Bunny ) so I can say I know what I was getting myself into... more of a calculated risk.
At that price point, nothing the japs were offering even came close wrt performance, safety and creature comforts.

Btw I went for a Passat. I would still buy a Jetta right now without even thinking about it.

After you drive in either my Jetta or Bunny's, I am certain you will buy the morning after with additional confidence...

You mean until I check EcoTune for my remap. Haha.

What's the tuned torque values of the 1.4 TSI vs the 1.8 TSI? I know HP is usually the same 200ish

[neexis]

Well after that mechatronics fix, I am pleased to say that so far my Passat is working tops.

Regrettably, I'm gonna put it up for sale it as I may have an opportunity to upgrade soon.

Anyone interested, put them onto me... I have the car on trinituner with some pics.

Link below
viewtopic.php?f=55&t=575455

Always loved that black!! Is just to keep it clean though..

carluva, I didn't realise yours was a B7. Is there any judder in D2 as it is now?

[carluva]

@neexis... Yup it's a B7 and no judder of the sort. The car works really good now just as it did the day it drove off from the showroom... Make an offer or spread the word...

[EcoTune Trinidad]

Haha... not working for them. They've done their fair share of nonsense too. Probably the one redeeming feature is the service from the sales rep even after purchase who was able to address and sort out said nonsense.

I researched these vehicles for a good 6 months or more before buying... (Ask Bunny ) so I can say I know what I was getting myself into... more of a calculated risk.
At that price point, nothing the japs were offering even came close wrt performance, safety and creature comforts.

Btw I went for a Passat. I would still buy a Jetta right now without even thinking about it.

After you drive in either my Jetta or Bunny's, I am certain you will buy the morning after with additional confidence...

You mean until I check EcoTune for my remap. Haha.

What's the tuned torque values of the 1.4 TSI vs the 1.8 TSI? I know HP is usually the same 200ish

217lbs Jetta vs 224lbs Passat...I lighter than you still...lol

[neexis]

217lbs Jetta vs 224lbs Passat...I lighter than you still...lol

Yea... but the lil extras na.. lazy man ting

[EcoTune Trinidad]

Lol..I hear ya...dunno bout you but my goals for this are about 270hp...by then ya might upgrade to gti?:)

[neexis]

Lol..I hear ya...dunno bout you but my goals for this are about 270hp...by then ya might upgrade to gti?:)

270 from that 1.4... hmmm... between you and Bunny I not sure who will reach there first.

I wanna upgrade to the A5 ..... well eventually anyway.

Curious bout that GTI though

[EcoTune Trinidad]

Yea?did 2 A5 quattro's with s tonic....wheel spin in first 3 gears..but one had she it tyres...

These dsg and yours can take 300 tq and the 1.4tsi is good reliably up to just over 300hp..

Sadly bunny will reach before me as tunes still.haven't been released for my cthd engine...steps..keeping busy with aesthetic mods tho

[neexis]

Are they actually bringing Audi's with S-tronic down here?
I was under the impression that the dealer only brought the multitronic CVT.

I know an S5 owner but he shipped his from the UK.

I was wondering the the S Tronic compares to the DSG6/7

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

S-tronic is audi term for dsg. So there are different types of s-tronic just like different dsg.

A1 and a3 using s-tronic which matches VW's dq200 7 speed dsg.

Other forms of s-tronic match up with the Vw dq250. I am not sure where the 6 speed is installed in local audi line but general rule of thumb is 2.0tsi goes with dq250 6 speed dsg.

There are other variants of dsg used by Vw and audi for larger power output vehicles but I really eh know which ones have them locally. I think some rigs have dq500 but not sure. If you see a tig with a 7 speed dsg it's a dq500.

[neexis]

Thanks Guru

I was wondering if it was the same part of the DQ series or if Audi had their own variants

[EcoTune Trinidad]

The two A5 quattro's were from the UK...not sure if we get 2.0tsi locally in those versions although was told it's only a per special order basis..

[fastredcar]

I got my car back guys...the DSG is driving great...as carluva said its like new. hardly noticed the difference in the car they loaned me to mine.

The fuel pump order had to come from Germany so it took the usual 3 weeks.

Car drives really smooth.

laters

[neexis]

I got my car back guys...the DSG is driving great...as carluva said its like new. hardly noticed the difference in the car they loaned me to mine.

The fuel pump order had to come from Germany so it took the usual 3 weeks.

Car drives really smooth.

laters

glad to hear it man!

[neexis]

Hey man
How's it going?

What year and model do you have again?
Was the problem with yours with the mechatronic unit or the clutches? Do you remember how it started or what were the symptoms of the problem?

I'm due to go in month end for the 25k service and I'm going to have them check mine as well. I find the judder on D2 to be getting worse. Car is still under warranty so I'm waiting to hear what they say

[fastredcar]

@ neexis

Well I started getting the judder, the little vibrations on moving off..not too sure if this is one or not, but it is significiantly reduced now.

Next was the delay in the gear engaging from stand still.

Excessive rattle under the gear box

Blinking D or R, at this point the car does not move

then a blinking wrench symbol where the gear is indicated

after that, it was blinking consistently and car does not engage.

The problem started occurring exponentially after my 40K miles service.

It was the mechatronic unit. I have a 2012 mk6.

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

Any updates on the recall locally?

[neexis]

Heading in Monday for a service and I walking with prints of all the documents. I wanna hear what they saying

[syncrod]

Heading in Monday for a service and I walking with prints of all the documents. I wanna hear what they saying

asked about 34F6 (think that is the number) campaign they said that they only do campaigns sent to them directly from Germany

[neexis]

Was your vehicle listed for the recall?

[syncrod]

on the recall site yes

[neexis]

Any updates on the recall locally?

Confirmed syncrod's info. I asked about the recall and showed them the printout.
They say that they can't do anything till they receive official word from Germany.

Regarding the judder:
I was taken to the service area and spoke to the service manager directly. He explained the judder was due to the clutches. He took the time to go through the anatomy of the dual clutch setup, and spoke of clutch "scrubbing" procedures as maintenance. I asked if the slippage causing the judder was causing damage to the clutches, to which they said they have seen no damage locally from it.

My concern was that the judder had gotten more pronounced with time. BA said they would replace the clutch under warranty, with the understanding that the problem could happen again as it wears.

The general tone seems to be that this judder is expected, or almost normal. It also makes me wonder about VW's design of the transmission and its function.

The behaviour I've noticed so far in "D":
D1 will change to D2 when crawling in traffic
D2 will not downshift to D1 until speed has dropped below 5 km/h, meaning that the car will attempt to take off on D2 even at speeds as low as 5 km/h -> judder time!

Tiptronic mode downshifts from 2 to 1 once speed drops below 12 km/h.

I think a simple solution could just be through software to program D with similar parameters as Tiptronic. Downshift once speeds are that low, or even if rolling in traffic, downshift when time comes to accelerate.

Thoughts?