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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby Mmoney607 » January 14th, 2022, 2:19 pm

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Court of Appeal rules 2017 Property Tax Mandatory Data Collection was Illegal and Unconstitutional

The Court of Appeal has ruled that the Government’s brief move to implement a mandatory data collection exercise for the implementation of property tax in 2017 was illegal and breached citizens’ constitutional rights.

Delivering a written judgement, earlier this morning, Appellate Judges Peter Rajkumar, Charmaine Pemberton and Vasheist Kokaram reversed the decision of High Court Judge Jacqueline Wilson, who dismissed civic activist Devant Maharaj’s lawsuit on the issue in 2018.

Justice Rajkumar, who wrote the substantive judgement, ruled that the Commissioner of Valuations had no legal authority under Section 6 of the Valuation of Land Act to require Maharaj and other property owners to submit a valuation return form on or before June 10, 2017 and that property owners were under no corresponding obligation to do so.

Rajkumar and his colleagues stated that Maharaj was only entitled to declarations over the policy, which was clarified by the Government after Maharaj brought his lawsuit.

“Because the Commissioner reversed course at the first opportunity , and the evidence suggests inadvertence rather than highhanded conduct or intent to breach statute or the Constitution, declarations of breaches will therefore suffice,” Rajkumar said.

He was also careful to note that the judgement did not extend to the Government’s current data collection exercise which is being done under a different statutory regime. The current deadline for submission under the new policy, which is yet to be challenged, is January 31.

“Nothing herein is intended to be construed as affecting that exercise which is not before this court on this appeal,” Rajkumar said.

While the decision in the case means that the forms that property owners, who would have submitted them on the basis of the previous mandatory nature of the policy before it was reversed, cannot now be used, the panel suggested that some affected persons may wish to leave their data in the system for use under the current policy.

“Some persons may be content to have their information remain with the Commissioner even though they provided it on the basis that it was mandatory that they do so rather than go through the entire exercise at such future time if required,” Rajkumar said.

As a secondary issue in the case, the appeal panel ruled that previous policy breached Maharaj’s constitutional rights to protection of the law and respect for his private life.

Justice Kokaram, who dealt specifically with the latter, noted that mandatory policy for the disclosure of personal information such as telephone numbers and email addresses caused the breach.

“The unlawful demand for this private information robs the interaction between the individual and the State of its legitimacy. An illegitimate power to make the request places the demand in the sphere of exclusion,” Kokaram said.

Maharaj was represented by Anand Ramlogan, SC, Renuka Rambhajan, Kent Samlal , Jayanti Lutchmedial, Jared Jagroo, and Vishaal Siewsaran.

https://www.cnc3.co.tt/court-of-appeal- ... stitional/


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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby Dizzy28 » January 14th, 2022, 2:25 pm

Fyard Hosein real making bank under Faris. See he's listed on the 2018 judgement and wasn't he on the Cremation case against Maha Sabha yesterday as well.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby bluefete » January 14th, 2022, 4:50 pm

So somebody file a constitutional motion before January 31, 2022 for this new exercise, nah, please.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby VexXx Dogg » January 14th, 2022, 7:10 pm

It has no bearing on the current exercise, so is it really a hollow victory?

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby bluefete » January 14th, 2022, 7:21 pm

VexXx Dogg wrote:It has no bearing on the current exercise, so is it really a hollow victory?


It can be a launch pad for someone to challenge the current exercise.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby Chimera » January 14th, 2022, 7:37 pm

VexXx Dogg wrote:It has no bearing on the current exercise, so is it really a hollow victory?
Them lawyers counting them hundreds of thousands in fees all the way to the bank

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby 88sins » January 14th, 2022, 9:35 pm

VexXx Dogg wrote:It has no bearing on the current exercise, so is it really a hollow victory?

Yes and no
Current exercise can continue as usual, but I suspect its probable that they will not be able to use the data collected previously.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby De Dragon » January 14th, 2022, 9:50 pm

JUHN Scarfy, Impsy and Arse Wari could kiss my seeds!. I eh filing no MC declaration, EVER!

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby zoom rader » January 15th, 2022, 2:07 am

De Dragon wrote:JUHN Scarfy, Impsy and Arse Wari could kiss my seeds!. I eh filing no MC declaration, EVER!
How much marble tiles you have on ur floor?

Dem MC want to see what you have in ur bedroom

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby zoom rader » January 15th, 2022, 2:10 am

88sins wrote:
VexXx Dogg wrote:It has no bearing on the current exercise, so is it really a hollow victory?

Yes and no
Current exercise can continue as usual, but I suspect its probable that they will not be able to use the data collected previously.
They still want to see your bedroom

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby 88sins » January 15th, 2022, 7:11 am

zoom rader wrote:
88sins wrote:
VexXx Dogg wrote:It has no bearing on the current exercise, so is it really a hollow victory?

Yes and no
Current exercise can continue as usual, but I suspect its probable that they will not be able to use the data collected previously.
They still want to see your bedroom

That may be
But at least now, if they can't use the data they collected previously, they gonna be even farther from the 50% target they need to start.
And once people continue to refuse to submit, I don't see them having much of a chance at reaching that goal

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby death365 » January 15th, 2022, 8:21 am

Oh people in trinituner sounding like b4 covid reach trini ....


Saying it go never reach trini ... etc


Facts are that sooner rather than later it will reach the threshold and will be implemented....

That's the inconvenient truth!

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby timelapse » January 15th, 2022, 9:16 am

To put it nicely...
Firetruck the red party.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby zoom rader » January 15th, 2022, 11:55 am

timelapse wrote:To put it nicely...
Firetruck the red party.
And Rowlee MC.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby 88sins » January 15th, 2022, 12:19 pm

death365 wrote:Oh people in trinituner sounding like b4 covid reach trini ....


Saying it go never reach trini ... etc


Facts are that sooner rather than later it will reach the threshold and will be implemented....


That's the inconvenient truth!

Keep telling yourself that, just remember that you have to keep adjusting your definition of "sooner"

Because if it's as I suspect, that they can't use the data collected previously, that alone removes a sizeable chunk of the percentage impsbutt claims that they have, and sets them back significantly.
And once the current trend of non-compliance continues, (and it probably will, because in reality they strapped for resources to track down and prosecute that many people, and it takes forever and two weeks to get government employees to do anything other than scratch their behinds) it go take years for them to reach 50%

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby rambo22 » January 30th, 2022, 7:34 pm

Good night Tuners is tomorrow last day to submit forms or is dey an extension date?

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby bluefete » January 30th, 2022, 7:36 pm

rambo22 wrote:Good night Tuners is tomorrow last day to submit forms or is dey an extension date?


Tomorrow is the last day BUT I FIND THE GOVERNMENT REAL QUIET. NO REMINDERS NOTHING TO TELL CITIZENS THE DEADLINE IS TOMORROW.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby widdyphuck » January 30th, 2022, 8:17 pm

Tuners make sure and full out your forms.
Red supporters voted for it and we don't have a choice.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby hover11 » January 30th, 2022, 8:30 pm

rambo22 wrote:Good night Tuners is tomorrow last day to submit forms or is dey an extension date?
Knowing the government and their utter failure when it comes to giving ultimatums , this will be extended once again

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby Dave » January 30th, 2022, 9:24 pm

Notices have been in the newspaper for the last week.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby pugboy » January 30th, 2022, 9:25 pm

website running slow

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby pugboy » January 30th, 2022, 9:39 pm

the way the website timing out right now they will have to extend it.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby widdyphuck » January 30th, 2022, 9:45 pm

You guys clearly still have your secondary school ways in you.
This was due since November 2021 and you guys got extension upon extension and still didn't fill out your forms...

I say Imbert should hit all yuh a $5000 fine and still make all yuh submit the form.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby 88sins » January 30th, 2022, 9:47 pm

wtf wrote:Tuners make sure and full out your forms.
Red supporters voted for it and we don't have a choice.

Don't matter what the morons voted for, I personally ain't gonna full out diddly squat.
You got any idea, taking into account the amount of blatant refusals to submit that extremely intrusive foreign used toilet paper replica of a document, how long it gonna take them to figure out who owns what and then decipher who submitted from who didn't and how to prosecute that amount of people?




Take what I tell yuh.
yuh grandkids great-grandkids will have great great grandchildren before those overdressed jackassess figure out which direction is up, much less straighten out this debacle of a farce of a tax law.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby Chimera » January 30th, 2022, 9:50 pm

Lol.i waiting until tmr 11am to drop in mine

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby zoom rader » January 30th, 2022, 10:27 pm

Red government could hul dey MC

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby drchaos » January 30th, 2022, 11:48 pm

Like lambs to the slaughter ... If they didn't get enough submissions last time why the hell would you submit the forms now?

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby shaneelal » January 31st, 2022, 1:16 pm

Seems some persons are having difficulties today with the website being unresponsive during online submissions.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby Chimera » January 31st, 2022, 1:26 pm

drchaos wrote:Like lambs to the slaughter ... If they didn't get enough submissions last time why the hell would you submit the forms now?



you know they amended the law that concerns that "must get 200k submissions to move forward" thing right

thats no longer the case

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby The_Honourable » January 31st, 2022, 1:33 pm

Phone Surgeon wrote:
drchaos wrote:Like lambs to the slaughter ... If they didn't get enough submissions last time why the hell would you submit the forms now?



you know they amended the law that concerns that "must get 200k submissions to move forward" thing right

thats no longer the case


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