Massive earthquake in Turkey kills thousands

[DMan7]

Turkey being reactive by going after building contractors. Playing the blame game for lack of having any sort of plans for these types of disasters.

[adnj]

Turkey being reactive by going after building contractors. Playing the blame game for lack of having any sort of plans for these types of disasters.

Turkiye's newest structures were supposed to withstand a 8.0 magnitude quake without collapse.

California's building codes up to 1980 specified designs that survive 8.0 magnitude quakes. The current codes were enhanced to offer survivability at 9.0 magnitudes.

Many of the Turkish structures were erected prior to any international earthquake survival codes being followed. But nothing erected after the 2007 codes should have collapsed and certainly no structure should have been seriously damaged if erected after the newest codes in 2018.

[maj. tom]

BBC is reporting rel underhand corruption with contractors and government.

For years, experts warned that many new buildings in Turkey were unsafe due to endemic corruption and government policies.

Those policies allowed so-called amnesties for contractors who swerved building regulations, in order to encourage a construction boom - including in earthquake-prone regions.

With elections looming, President Erdogan's future is on the line after spending 20 years in power.

The number of people confirmed to have died in Turkey and Syria has risen to more than 33,000.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-64615349

[DMan7]

Turkey being reactive by going after building contractors. Playing the blame game for lack of having any sort of plans for these types of disasters.

Turkiye's newest structures were supposed to withstand a 8.0 magnitude quake without collapse.

California's building codes up to 1980 specified designs that survive 8.0 magnitude quakes. The current codes were enhanced to offer survivability at 9.0 magnitudes.

Many of the Turkish structures were erected prior to any international earthquake survival codes being followed. But nothing erected after the 2007 codes should have collapsed and certainly no structure should have been seriously damaged if erected after the newest codes in 2018.

The point I'm making is why is the Government going after them NOW? They have many decades to do that but why NOW? It seems to be like they trying to shift blame for this disaster onto one group of people instead of themselves as people would see they trying to do something. I also heard that the current president is up for elections in May. Go figure.

[adnj]

Turkey being reactive by going after building contractors. Playing the blame game for lack of having any sort of plans for these types of disasters.

Turkiye's newest structures were supposed to withstand a 8.0 magnitude quake without collapse.

California's building codes up to 1980 specified designs that survive 8.0 magnitude quakes. The current codes were enhanced to offer survivability at 9.0 magnitudes.

Many of the Turkish structures were erected prior to any international earthquake survival codes being followed. But nothing erected after the 2007 codes should have collapsed and certainly no structure should have been seriously damaged if erected after the newest codes in 2018.

The point I'm making is why is the Government going after them NOW? They have many decades to do that but why NOW? It seems to be like they trying to shift blame for this disaster onto one group of people instead of themselves as people would see they trying to do something. I also heard that the current president is up for elections in May. Go figure.

No disagreement here. My experience with Turkiye? The corruption is a bit worse than currently portrayed.

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Turkey being reactive by going after building contractors. Playing the blame game for lack of having any sort of plans for these types of disasters.

Turkiye's newest structures were supposed to withstand a 8.0 magnitude quake without collapse.

California's building codes up to 1980 specified designs that survive 8.0 magnitude quakes. The current codes were enhanced to offer survivability at 9.0 magnitudes.

Many of the Turkish structures were erected prior to any international earthquake survival codes being followed. But nothing erected after the 2007 codes should have collapsed and certainly no structure should have been seriously damaged if erected after the newest codes in 2018.

The point I'm making is why is the Government going after them NOW? They have many decades to do that but why NOW? It seems to be like they trying to shift blame for this disaster onto one group of people instead of themselves as people would see they trying to do something. I also heard that the current president is up for elections in May. Go figure.

Wait until Town and country here get shake up.You will see how fast blame will fly

[alfa]

Turkey being reactive by going after building contractors. Playing the blame game for lack of having any sort of plans for these types of disasters.

Turkiye's newest structures were supposed to withstand a 8.0 magnitude quake without collapse.

California's building codes up to 1980 specified designs that survive 8.0 magnitude quakes. The current codes were enhanced to offer survivability at 9.0 magnitudes.

Many of the Turkish structures were erected prior to any international earthquake survival codes being followed. But nothing erected after the 2007 codes should have collapsed and certainly no structure should have been seriously damaged if erected after the newest codes in 2018.

The point I'm making is why is the Government going after them NOW? They have many decades to do that but why NOW? It seems to be like they trying to shift blame for this disaster onto one group of people instead of themselves as people would see they trying to do something. I also heard that the current president is up for elections in May. Go figure.

Wait until Town and country here get shake up.You will see how fast blame will fly

I'd like to believe that we build solid houses in Trinidad despite nobody I know including myself went through town and country. Solid foundation including piling and butts along with a concrete ring beam that ties everything together should mitigate a lot of damages in case of natural disasters

[adnj]

Turkey being reactive by going after building contractors. Playing the blame game for lack of having any sort of plans for these types of disasters.

Turkiye's newest structures were supposed to withstand a 8.0 magnitude quake without collapse.

California's building codes up to 1980 specified designs that survive 8.0 magnitude quakes. The current codes were enhanced to offer survivability at 9.0 magnitudes.

Many of the Turkish structures were erected prior to any international earthquake survival codes being followed. But nothing erected after the 2007 codes should have collapsed and certainly no structure should have been seriously damaged if erected after the newest codes in 2018.

The point I'm making is why is the Government going after them NOW? They have many decades to do that but why NOW? It seems to be like they trying to shift blame for this disaster onto one group of people instead of themselves as people would see they trying to do something. I also heard that the current president is up for elections in May. Go figure.

Wait until Town and country here get shake up.You will see how fast blame will fly

I'd like to believe that we build solid houses in Trinidad despite nobody I know including myself went through town and country. Solid foundation including piling and butts along with a concrete ring beam that ties everything together should mitigate a lot of damages in case of natural disasters

If you search online, you will find a number of one and two story structures that have collapsed in Trinidad.

Turkiye's recent earthquake was centered in a densely populated area and released 16× to more than 22× as much energy as Trinidad's strongest modern earthquake.

A more complete argument may be that there have not been sufficient challenges from earthquakes or hurricanes to cause widespread failures in a wide array of Trinidadian homes.

[ruffneck_12]

Turkey being reactive by going after building contractors. Playing the blame game for lack of having any sort of plans for these types of disasters.

Turkiye's newest structures were supposed to withstand a 8.0 magnitude quake without collapse.

California's building codes up to 1980 specified designs that survive 8.0 magnitude quakes. The current codes were enhanced to offer survivability at 9.0 magnitudes.

Many of the Turkish structures were erected prior to any international earthquake survival codes being followed. But nothing erected after the 2007 codes should have collapsed and certainly no structure should have been seriously damaged if erected after the newest codes in 2018.

The point I'm making is why is the Government going after them NOW? They have many decades to do that but why NOW? It seems to be like they trying to shift blame for this disaster onto one group of people instead of themselves as people would see they trying to do something. I also heard that the current president is up for elections in May. Go figure.

Wait until Town and country here get shake up.You will see how fast blame will fly

I'd like to believe that we build solid houses in Trinidad despite nobody I know including myself went through town and country. Solid foundation including piling and butts along with a concrete ring beam that ties everything together should mitigate a lot of damages in case of natural disasters

Trinidad houses ain't shiet.

It will be standing after a big one, but it won't be able to handle another. Esp when smart man contractor like to skimp on certain materials then charge u same price. Or skip that ring beam thing along with other good building practices.

However, the high rise buildings will be fine. I was in CBTT top floors for a major earthquake one time. I feel like the thing was gonna topple over like that scene in Transformers , but it swayed and the metal X beams on the outside did it's job

(the scene I'm referring to)

[aaron17]

sad

Turkey rescuers say voices are still being heard under the rubble

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/14/europe/turkey-earthquake-voices-heard-under-rubble-intl-hnk/index.html

[maj. tom]

Trinidad houses ain't shiet.

It will be standing after a big one, but it won't be able to handle another. Esp when smart man contractor like to skimp on certain materials then charge u same price. Or skip that ring beam thing along with other good building practices.

However, the high rise buildings will be fine. I was in CBTT top floors for a major earthquake one time. I feel like the thing was gonna topple over like that scene in Transformers , but it swayed and the metal X beams on the outside did it's job

That's because (hopefully) the high rises are built to code, very few residential are fully code compliant. But we mostly use good methods for the foundation and using enough rebar stressed concrete beams of high psi to carry sufficient forces. While most houses may remain standing, the walls will crack a lot because no expansion joints like engineered structures in high rise buildings and bridges. There are different types of tectonic plate fault movements which can relate to the amount of damage caused due to the relative movement of the plates. Specifically I'm referring to the one passing through the Central Range.

There's a statistical relation in seismology called Bath's Law where for natural fault-line caused earthquakes (not man made or geothermal events) the largest aftershock is predicted to be about 1 to 1.5 Moment Magnitude less than the main event. And aftershocks follow Omori's Law on frequency of decay inversely proportional to time. Though the time between the main event and main aftershock can vary by a lot. There can also be foreshocks (more unlikely though) which are smaller than the main event.

The 9.0M in 2011 in Japan that caused the huge tsunami and Fukushima disaster had a recorded main aftershock on March 2022 of 7.5 M.

In 2018 here there was a 6.9 M recorded at the epicenter in the Venezuelan Coastal Mountain Range and a 5.9 M aftershock about 17 hours after.

The 2023 7.8 M in Turkiye was followed by another separate main event of 7.5 M about 100 km away from the first epicenter. That 2nd one wasn't an aftershock as reported by most news media but rather a triggered sequence on another plate caused by the first.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

[K74T]

A Magnitude 6.4 earthquake has just hit Turkey and Syria.

[st7]

wow... they not getting a break

[K74T]

Revised to 6.3

Another strong quake hits near Turkey-Syria border, rattling devastated area

A magnitude 6.3 earthquake struck southern Turkey on Monday, near its shared border with northern Syria. The quake, centered in Turkey's Hatay province, came two weeks after the same region was devastated by a series of earthquakes and aftershocks that killed more than 46,000 people and reduced towns and city blocks to rubble.

Monday's earthquake was originally reported as a magnitude 6.4 with a depth of 10 kilometers by the United States Geological Survey, which has since revised the measurement to 6.3.

This is a developing story. Check back for updates.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/turkey-syria-another-earthquake-hatay-province/

[redmanjp]

https://czechia.postsen.com/world/94404/This-cloud-appeared-over-Turkey-before-the-earthquake-Now-they-saw-him-in-another-country.html

A few days before the terrible earthquake in Turkey, people were surprised by a strange cloud in the sky. This sparked a number of speculations that the two natural phenomena have a direct connection. Now the same cloud has appeared over Argentina. Residents there do not need to be afraid of earthquakes.

Fear reigned among the people in Argentina’s Chubut province. The same phenomenon appeared in the sky as in Turkey a few days before the tragic earthquake that cost the lives of more than 35 thousand people. It was a so-called lenticular cloud, as pointed out by the DNEVNIK.hr website.

The inhabitants of Turkey were frightened by a red-orange phenomenon in the sky already on January 19. It thus became the target of conspiracy theorists who associated the appearance of the cloud with a natural disaster. At the same time, lenticular clouds are a slight problem only for aircraft, as they cause increased turbulence. According to Reuters, the connection with the earthquake is therefore zero.

According to the British Met Office, lenticular clouds are formed by wind reflected from hills and mountains. Skyscrapers and tall buildings can sometimes be to blame. Another factor that plays a role in their formation is sufficient air humidity. This gives the clouds their specific shape.

[st7]

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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/2 ... s-minister

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Now they get hit with flood!

Major floods kill 13 in earthquake affected region in Turkey



https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023 ... -provinces