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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby bluefete » May 24th, 2023, 6:47 pm

I feel Kickstart right on this one.

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Kickstart » May 24th, 2023, 7:28 pm

bluefete wrote:I feel Kickstart right on this one.
People in Trinidad live a cartoon life and are not serious about their future. When they can no longer bare it, they look to migrate rather than shaping their own country.

The population is not serious, until then its a PNM Victory

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby The_Honourable » May 24th, 2023, 7:36 pm

Within 90 days? Well enough time to pave road, cut grass and clean drain to mamaguy the people.

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby wing » May 24th, 2023, 9:03 pm

Kickstart wrote:
bluefete wrote:I feel Kickstart right on this one.
People in Trinidad live a cartoon life and are not serious about their future. When they can no longer bare it, they look to migrate rather than shaping their own country.

The population is not serious, until then its a PNM Victory
Is the UNC important or relevant at this time? After all the joyous celebration after the privy council ruling, I'd hate to see the real winner is the lawyers..

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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » May 24th, 2023, 9:31 pm

Kickstart wrote:PNM Victory at local elections


Pretty much

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Kickstart » May 24th, 2023, 9:34 pm

wing wrote:
Kickstart wrote:
bluefete wrote:I feel Kickstart right on this one.
People in Trinidad live a cartoon life and are not serious about their future. When they can no longer bare it, they look to migrate rather than shaping their own country.

The population is not serious, until then its a PNM Victory
Is the UNC important or relevant at this time? After all the joyous celebration after the privy council ruling, I'd hate to see the real winner is the lawyers..
You and others just sit there and never show your objections to the PNM. Instead, you divert attention to the UNC and nit pick.

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby paid_influencer » May 24th, 2023, 9:47 pm

come election night, we know wing will be sitting there with tears in his eyes and a baliser in his hand

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby wing » May 25th, 2023, 3:23 am

paid_influencer wrote:come election night, we know wing will be sitting there with tears in his eyes and a baliser in his hand
Tears of joy? Or despair?

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby maj. tom » May 25th, 2023, 6:34 am

PNM supporters really feeling joy since 2015 in this country?

Well I suppose PNM really did save the Treasury from Kamla. And they fixed that UNC lawyers only taking state money problem....

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby ruffneck_12 » May 25th, 2023, 8:27 am

maj. tom wrote:PNM supporters really feeling joy since 2015 in this country?

Well I suppose PNM really did save the Treasury from Kamla. And they fixed that UNC lawyers only taking state money problem....


to be fair, both parties does teef

But the yellow people does still take care of the whole country

The red people does just help out their people only.

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Dizzy28 » May 25th, 2023, 9:21 am

ruffneck_12 wrote:
maj. tom wrote:PNM supporters really feeling joy since 2015 in this country?

Well I suppose PNM really did save the Treasury from Kamla. And they fixed that UNC lawyers only taking state money problem....


to be fair, both parties does teef

But the yellow people does still take care of the whole country

The red people does just help out their people only.


aAren't we fed up of "both ah them does theif"??

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Rovin » May 25th, 2023, 12:00 pm

according to poo nm ppl their party never teef nothin, dem is saints & only unc ppl does teef out d treasury

all d stats here for d last LGE - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Trin ... _elections

it was a tie but if i had to guess i wud say d results will be about d same but poo nm always has d edge to win ...

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby maj. tom » May 25th, 2023, 12:10 pm

everybody knows that PNM gives us Value for Money!

And dat Kamla DID TEEF OUT D TREASURY!!!

So talk done.

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Dizzy28 » May 25th, 2023, 12:16 pm

Rovin wrote:according to poo nm ppl their party never teef nothin, dem is saints & only unc ppl does teef out d treasury

all d stats here for d last LGE - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Trin ... _elections

it was a tie but if i had to guess i wud say d results will be about d same but poo nm always has d edge to win ...


A man write a letter to the editor last week basically saying this. Sometimes I realize to be a political sycophant requires the suspension of all reality because that would make the entire lie crumble like a house of cards

Why is there such nasty racism in Trinidad? A rhetorical question, to be sure. But for the uninitiated, and those who do not live here, the more direct answer is this:

Among the political parties in Trinidad, only the United National Congress believes they should pass laws to govern. Only the UNC believes they should decide how we earn and spend our money. Only the UNC stands in the way of laws aimed at curbing and correcting errant behaviour.

Only the UNC opposes any form of national progress—moving ALL PEOPLE forward, rather than a few—especially infrastructural, where they have figured the least prominently in the last three decades in the nation’s development, lateral movements only, never forward steps.

The lone area of national development where the UNC has stood out consistently is in the greed, kickbacks, corruption, theft and waste in the awarding and distribution of contracts they gave out for infrastructural development, the few times they deemed such development necessary, as well as the legal briefs handed out in the Judiciary.

Only the UNC has (the most) members of their party before the courts for misbehaviour in public office, corruption, perversion of one form or another. Only the UNC has supporters, and leaders of religious groups, who are the most hateful, ugly, bitter and downright idiotic when it comes to race relations. No other political party.
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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby PariaMan » May 25th, 2023, 12:20 pm

I am mixed voted both parties already

It's clear to me PNM leaders cares about their pockets and big business

UNC leaders about their pockets and the small man

Plenty evidence to support

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby toyolink » May 25th, 2023, 12:24 pm

Elections in T&T equals:
Enchanced income for media.
Personal and truly vile attacks on each other.
Extreme demonstrations of misrepresentation of facts.
A resurfacing of our innate biases and prejudice.
Public displays of banal behavior.
Granted these characteristics may not be unique to T&T, but this still does not contribute to positive growth we so sadly need at this time.
Hopefully, given our levels of criminal violence at this time we don't see the introduction of violence as part of the process.

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby ruffneck_12 » May 25th, 2023, 2:13 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:
ruffneck_12 wrote:
maj. tom wrote:PNM supporters really feeling joy since 2015 in this country?

Well I suppose PNM really did save the Treasury from Kamla. And they fixed that UNC lawyers only taking state money problem....


to be fair, both parties does teef

But the yellow people does still take care of the whole country

The red people does just help out their people only.


aAren't we fed up of "both ah them does theif"??


Yeah, but one is the lesser evil :cry:

Unless Phillip edward alexander get he tings in a gear and get big sponsors. But even then, the only way he getting that is if the sponsors getting back something under the table, then we're back to square one all over again

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby paid_influencer » May 25th, 2023, 6:47 pm

you could vote for "new politics"

whey d white shirt people. i remember after they loss in 2007 they talk in big about far they get their first election, imagine next time, talk about the sky is the limit etc.

what happen to them whey they gone. why they not reflecting on what happen to their party. did kamla kill it? the same kamla they going to tuck tail for this year? I remember when they used to cuss UNC for all the corruption in that party

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby maj. tom » May 25th, 2023, 6:49 pm

Which other parties going up for a Local Government platform? I mean this is the way to start winning if they for real, small steps in communities first.

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby DMan7 » May 25th, 2023, 6:52 pm

As I've said before UNC ain't winning nothing. PNM taking 2025 and 2030 too. The UNC has too much stigma associated with it, The party needs to be disbanded and a new party without any of the old political heads needs to take its place.

It's also just sad to see people have some sliver of hope that they could win something but that's living in fantasy land.

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby antlind » May 25th, 2023, 9:16 pm

DMan7 wrote:As I've said before UNC ain't winning nothing. PNM taking 2025 and 2030 too. The UNC has too much stigma associated with it, The party needs to be disbanded and a new party without any of the old political heads needs to take its place.

It's also just sad to see people have some sliver of hope that they could win something but that's living in fantasy land.


I agree 100% with what you’ve said. The sad thing is that the people of TT will be the only losers if the PNM wins another term.

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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby death365 » May 26th, 2023, 3:36 am

Let meh tell u someting eh ....


I can come and provide evidence of theories/papers to back this up but everyone will read it and still stick with their own party.

In our sweet little twin island T&T just as in Guyana politics has and will aways be directed related to race. Two major races .... two major parties. No one one's to hear bout policies or a valid plan forward for the country. So we are stuck in this quagmire for the foreseeable future.

I have not seen a "valid" plan/ manifesto/ direction forward for this country that wasn't forced by the UN or some other international body.

Oil/Natural Gas is our safety net, everything else firetrucking bun it.

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby maj. tom » May 26th, 2023, 6:57 am

was our safety net.



Two recent NY Times articles that are worth a click and read.

Why Some Countries Find It Hard to Move Away From Fossil Fuels

Trinidad and Tobago is the No. 2 exporter of liquefied natural gas in the Americas. Its output has been falling, but it remains committed to fossil fuels.



https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/15/business/energy-environment/trinidad-tobago-gas-oil.html
If you hit the NY Times paywall: https://archive.ph/8P5rg


But with its oil and gas fields aging, oil production has fallen to 58,000 barrels a day, from 230,000 barrels a day at its peak in 1978. The country’s only oil refinery was shut four years ago. Gas production has declined 40 percent since 2010, forcing the country to close one of its four export terminals for liquefied natural gas and three of its 18 petrochemical plants.

...The oil and gas business “is the basis for our middle class,” said Ainka Granderson, an environmental scientist at the Caribbean Natural Resources Institute, a research organization in San Juan, a city on the main island. “Oil and gas was once the nation’s spine, but it’s now the crutch that props us up.”

That crutch is becoming increasingly rickety.


Climate Change Brings Warmer, Wetter Weather to Trinidad
Even as the leaders of Trinidad and Tobago double down on fossil fuels, climate change is bringing more extreme weather to the island nation.

The island nation’s climate has historically been highly variable. Climate change has made it more so. And Trinidad’s average temperature has risen two and half times above the global average from 1946 to 2019, according to the government report to the U.N. Over the past four decades, heavy rain that last multiple days has also been more frequent.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/15/business/energy-environment/trinidad-tobago-climate-change.html
https://archive.ph/m59XO

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby toyolink » May 26th, 2023, 10:38 am

The various political preferences as noted in this thread all seem to acknowledge that the 2 the major political parties demonstrate major flaws.
What this may suggest is that the elector may well overtime have to choose the party which would best take care of bread and butter issues and may be easier to get to respond to the financial pain citizens are faced with on a day to day basis.
Things like macro development, fiscal strategic and crime prevention planning although critical may just not drive where citizens put their inked finger.

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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby pjfred » May 26th, 2023, 8:24 pm

Well bai $180,000.00 per month salary with perks but they want to place property tax on us poor people. They really love they high color people

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby paid_influencer » May 26th, 2023, 8:34 pm

toyolink wrote:The various political preferences as noted in this thread all seem to acknowledge that the 2 the major political parties demonstrate major flaws.
What this may suggest is that the elector may well overtime have to choose the party which would best take care of bread and butter issues and may be easier to get to respond to the financial pain citizens are faced with on a day to day basis.
Things like macro development, fiscal strategic and crime prevention planning although critical may just not drive where citizens put their inked finger.


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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Kickstart » May 26th, 2023, 10:37 pm

paid_influencer wrote:
toyolink wrote:The various political preferences as noted in this thread all seem to acknowledge that the 2 the major political parties demonstrate major flaws.
What this may suggest is that the elector may well overtime have to choose the party which would best take care of bread and butter issues and may be easier to get to respond to the financial pain citizens are faced with on a day to day basis.
Things like macro development, fiscal strategic and crime prevention planning although critical may just not drive where citizens put their inked finger.


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Both of them will continue to vote PNM

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Rovin » May 27th, 2023, 11:27 am

more details of d 180k+\mth ... i dunno what similar positions worldwide does pay but :shock:

https://trinidadexpress.com/business/lo ... k8JSVl6e64

$180,000 plus perks
New Heritage CEO salary:


THE incoming chief executive officer (CEO) of State-owned Heritage Petroleum Company Ltd (Heritage) Erik Keskula will receive a lucrative package, including a monthly base salary of $180,000.

This information was provided by Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley at the Parliament sitting yesterday in response to a question from the Opposition.

Keskula’s monthly base salary is $30,000 more than his predecessor, Arlene Chow, made in the position.

On May 23, Heritage’s chairman, Michael Quamina, SC, and the board announced that Erik Keskula had been selected as the CEO of the company.

Keskula will serve as the CEO-designate for the period June 1 to June 13 and will assume full responsibility when Chow retires from the company on June 13.


Heritage stated that Keskula’s selection followed a rigorous recruitment process which considered candidates from Trinidad and Tobago and the international oil and gas industry.

The Prime Minister listed the compensation package for Keskula:

—cash compensation: base salary- $180,000 monthly

—relocation allowance of seven per cent - $12,600

—completion bonus of $180,000 payable at the end of the six-month probation

—value of housing up to US$5,000 a month

—a company vehicle maintained by Heritage with a driver during the probationary period and subsequent to that a vehicle purchased up to the value of $700,000

—utilities to be funded by the Company

—return airfare to his home company at the end (for employee and spouse)

—international medical insurance for employee, spouse and two dependants

—international life insurance for the employee only

—20 working days per annum for vacation

—an annual bonus arrangement

Opposition MP Rudranath Indarsingh asked the Prime Minister how much money Heritage has set aside to invest in the repair and maintenance of the company’s network of pipelines as he noted the company recently declared an after-tax profit of over a billion dollars.

He pointed out environmental disasters involving oil spills and leaks have been associated with Heritage and have impacted communities.

Rowley said he was pleased to note that Indarsingh had “finally acknowledged” that the restructuring of Petrotrin had transformed an entity which was losing billions of dollars to one that is now in a position to declare after-tax profit of approximately $1 billion after paying royalties of $2 billion.

He said if Indarsingh’s “epiphany” continues he expects that it will be acknowledged that Heritage is also servicing the US$850 million debt that the Finance Minister could not service.

Heritage, he said, is dealing with aged infrastructure which they inherited.

Rowley said the company has a programme of assessing the quality of its infrastructure which is aged and some of it “even dangerous” and has recently spent $9 million in an inspection programme.

He said with respect to spending money to change certain aspects of the pipeline infrastructure, Heritage is spending approximately $15 million a year.

Rowley noted this is a small amount for an oil company, but given where the company has come from and is going, it will increase as Heritage continues to strengthen its infrastructure.

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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby MaxPower » May 27th, 2023, 11:40 am

Trinis still counting the man pocket?

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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Phone Surgeon » May 27th, 2023, 11:43 am

Similar positions worldwide pay upwards of 25 to 30k usd from googling...so same salary or more.

And then they should pay him a extra 5k usd a month just for the risk of living down here

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