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Who in your opinion, not who you prefer, will win the 2024 US presidential elections?

Harris
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Trump
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Total votes: 49

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Re: 2024 United States Presidential Elections - Donald Trump historic comeback!

Postby SuperiorMan » November 10th, 2024, 7:32 am

LOL

Let's all laugh at the butthurt Trinis.

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Re: 2024 United States Presidential Elections - Donald Trump historic comeback!

Postby paid_influencer » November 10th, 2024, 9:57 am

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:What will this US election teach the parties in T&T contesting our 2025 national election?
What will the PNM and UNC and other political parties here take away from the US election result?


what they should learn:
  1. people vote based on material conditions

what they will take away:
  1. Trump is a "returning leader"

other random takeaways that nobody will learn
  1. Competitive internal elections produce competitive candidates
  2. Coherent, targeted policy is better than trying to be everything to everybody
  3. Economic policy is the bread-and-butter of a campaign
  4. Deportation and strong borders is popular
  5. Genocide is unpopular
  6. Covid election (2020) result is/always was a fluke
  7. Celebrity endorsements and concerts are a waste of money

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Re: 2024 United States Presidential Elections - Donald Trump historic comeback!

Postby Dohplaydat » November 10th, 2024, 10:19 am

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Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:What will this US election teach the parties in T&T contesting our 2025 national election?
What will the PNM and UNC and other political parties here take away from the US election result?


what they should learn:
  1. people vote based on material conditions

what they will take away:
  1. Trump is a "returning leader"

other random takeaways that nobody will learn
  1. Competitive internal elections produce competitive candidates
  2. Coherent, targeted policy is better than trying to be everything to everybody
  3. Economic policy is the bread-and-butter of a campaign
  4. Deportation and strong borders is popular
  5. Genocide is unpopular
  6. Covid (2020) election result is/always was a fluke
  7. Celebrity endorsements and concerts are a waste of money


Great points! Agree with all, but with some caveats.

Democrats didn't try to be everything to everybody, they tried to target as many minority groups as possible while neglecting the massive demographic of men. Better lesson here is don't demonise any group.

Lastly, celebrity endorsements could work if they seem genuine, like Rogans last minute support for Trump or even things like Dave Chappelle's discontent for the democrats definitely was a net win.

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Re: 2024 United States Presidential Elections - Donald Trump historic comeback!

Postby hover11 » November 10th, 2024, 10:23 am

paid_influencer wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:What will this US election teach the parties in T&T contesting our 2025 national election?
What will the PNM and UNC and other political parties here take away from the US election result?


what they should learn:
  1. people vote based on material conditions

what they will take away:
  1. Trump is a "returning leader"

other random takeaways that nobody will learn
  1. Competitive internal elections produce competitive candidates
  2. Coherent, targeted policy is better than trying to be everything to everybody
  3. Economic policy is the bread-and-butter of a campaign
  4. Deportation and strong borders is popular
  5. Genocide is unpopular
  6. Covid election (2020) result is/always was a fluke
  7. Celebrity endorsements and concerts are a waste of money
Also pushing agendas such as LGBT crap, along with gender reform and abortion aren't what ppl want. Focus on the issues. Those things only turn off voters

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Re: 2024 United States Presidential Elections - Donald Trump historic comeback!

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » November 10th, 2024, 11:55 am

Dohplaydat wrote:Lastly, celebrity endorsements could work if they seem genuine, like Rogans last minute support for Trump or even things like Dave Chappelle's discontent for the democrats definitely was a net win.

Seems Musk's purchase of Twitter/X and using it as a platform for Trump was a huge impact.
The $100+ million Musk donated helped a considerable amount too.

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Postby MaxPower » November 10th, 2024, 12:49 pm

What does Musk want in return?

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Postby DMan7 » November 10th, 2024, 12:58 pm

MaxPower wrote:What does Musk want in return?


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Re: 2024 United States Presidential Elections - Donald Trump historic comeback!

Postby Dizzy28 » November 10th, 2024, 1:17 pm

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
Dohplaydat wrote:Lastly, celebrity endorsements could work if they seem genuine, like Rogans last minute support for Trump or even things like Dave Chappelle's discontent for the democrats definitely was a net win.

Seems Musk's purchase of Twitter/X and using it as a platform for Trump was a huge impact.
The $100+ million Musk donated helped a considerable amount too.
Dems raised a billion dollar war chest. Money really couldn't have been that big of a deciding factor.

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Re: 2024 United States Presidential Elections - Donald Trump historic comeback!

Postby Dohplaydat » November 10th, 2024, 1:41 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
Dohplaydat wrote:Lastly, celebrity endorsements could work if they seem genuine, like Rogans last minute support for Trump or even things like Dave Chappelle's discontent for the democrats definitely was a net win.

Seems Musk's purchase of Twitter/X and using it as a platform for Trump was a huge impact.
The $100+ million Musk donated helped a considerable amount too.
Dems raised a billion dollar war chest. Money really couldn't have been that big of a deciding factor.


i don't think it was money, campaign funds raised are not the only source of funds, apparently over 10B was spent on this election by both teams.

And speaking of X, while there's definitely a lot of right wing content, the astroturfing done on reddit was insane this election cycle.

Reddit feels like an entirely different site since the election and the bots and upvoted content feel so much more real now.

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Re: 2024 United States Presidential Elections - Donald Trump historic comeback!

Postby triniterribletim » November 10th, 2024, 1:47 pm

Elon is the smartest businessman in existence. He bought Twitter for 44 billion and gained the ear of a sitting US president with all of the legislative branches at his disposal. Space X alone could not fund all their ambitions, but Trump is sure to change that, and what he paid for Twitter is gonna look like pocket change compared to what he gained.

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Re: 2024 United States Presidential Elections - Donald Trump historic comeback!

Postby pugboy » November 10th, 2024, 1:47 pm

boy reddit is a whole new animal by itself in the forum chat world

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Re: 2024 United States Presidential Elections - Donald Trump historic comeback!

Postby Dizzy28 » November 10th, 2024, 2:28 pm

Reddit is the most echo chamber of chambers. They allow no dissenting views and intensely moderate and lock threads with even a hint of RW views.

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Re: 2024 United States Presidential Elections - Donald Trump historic comeback!

Postby SuperiorMan » November 10th, 2024, 2:49 pm

Reddit had people believe Kamala had a chance :lol:

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Postby paid_influencer » November 10th, 2024, 2:54 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:Reddit is the most echo chamber of chambers. They allow no dissenting views and intensely moderate and lock threads with even a hint of RW views.


how do they treat LW views
how do they feel about communal ownership of the means of production

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Re: 2024 United States Presidential Elections - Donald Trump historic comeback!

Postby hover11 » November 10th, 2024, 2:57 pm

SuperiorMan wrote:Reddit had people believe Kamala had a chance
Those poor fools

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Re: 2024 United States Presidential Elections - Donald Trump historic comeback!

Postby Dohplaydat » November 10th, 2024, 2:58 pm

SuperiorMan wrote:Reddit had people believe Kamala had a chance :lol:


It was crazy to see the last few weeks, so much daily posts with tens of thousands of upvotes saying how Kamala was the new Obama and how they're turning Texas and Florida blue etc. It was so f*cking delusional and even convinced me that the race was much closer than it was.

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Re: 2024 United States Presidential Elections - Donald Trump historic comeback!

Postby sMASH » November 10th, 2024, 3:08 pm

Dohplaydat wrote:
SuperiorMan wrote:Reddit had people believe Kamala had a chance


It was crazy to see the last few weeks, so much daily posts with tens of thousands of upvotes saying how Kamala was the new Obama and how they're turning Texas and Florida blue etc. It was so f*cking delusional and even convinced me that the race was much closer than it was.
Coukd be troll farms boosting online support .

I would not put it past democrats

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Re: 2024 United States Presidential Elections - Donald Trump historic comeback!

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » November 10th, 2024, 3:11 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
Dohplaydat wrote:Lastly, celebrity endorsements could work if they seem genuine, like Rogans last minute support for Trump or even things like Dave Chappelle's discontent for the democrats definitely was a net win.

Seems Musk's purchase of Twitter/X and using it as a platform for Trump was a huge impact.
The $100+ million Musk donated helped a considerable amount too.
Dems raised a billion dollar war chest. Money really couldn't have been that big of a deciding factor.

The $44B investment in X and the campaign did though - the Trump campaign would have been less without it.
Obviously it wasn't the main deciding factor for many Americans - it seems the economy was - but that money spent sure did a lot to help.

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Re: 2024 United States Presidential Elections - Donald Trump historic comeback!

Postby Dizzy28 » November 10th, 2024, 5:34 pm

paid_influencer wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:Reddit is the most echo chamber of chambers. They allow no dissenting views and intensely moderate and lock threads with even a hint of RW views.


how do they treat LW views
how do they feel about communal ownership of the means of production
Communists and socialists do well on Reddit. You would probably like r/antiwork

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Re: 2024 United States Presidential Elections - Donald Trump historic comeback!

Postby AlphaMan » November 10th, 2024, 5:44 pm

Trump won because of a simple question he asked the American population.
"Are you better off today than you were 4 years ago?"
He also told America that if his party loses he firmly believes America is done for.
The Americans listened and voted accordingly.
Trinis however...don't know what they going to do come next election.

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Re: 2024 United States Presidential Elections - Donald Trump historic comeback!

Postby paid_influencer » November 10th, 2024, 8:43 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:
paid_influencer wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:Reddit is the most echo chamber of chambers. They allow no dissenting views and intensely moderate and lock threads with even a hint of RW views.


how do they treat LW views
how do they feel about communal ownership of the means of production
Communists and socialists do well on Reddit. You would probably like r/antiwork


"anti-work"? I've never been to that group but it sounds strange because most communists aren't anti-work. We view meaningful work as a basic human need; as something that has to be done to feel fulfilled as a person. I am around many leftist groups and I've never seen people complain about working. Actually the opposite: most people are proud to be doing something productive. What we do complain about is the indignity of the commoditisation of labour in a capitalist system.

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Re: 2024 United States Presidential Elections - Donald Trump historic comeback!

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » November 10th, 2024, 9:25 pm

paid_influencer wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:What will this US election teach the parties in T&T contesting our 2025 national election?
What will the PNM and UNC and other political parties here take away from the US election result?


what they should learn:
  1. people vote based on material conditions

what they will take away:
  1. Trump is a "returning leader"

other random takeaways that nobody will learn
  1. Competitive internal elections produce competitive candidates
  2. Coherent, targeted policy is better than trying to be everything to everybody
  3. Economic policy is the bread-and-butter of a campaign
  4. Deportation and strong borders is popular
  5. Genocide is unpopular
  6. Covid election (2020) result is/always was a fluke
  7. Celebrity endorsements and concerts are a waste of money

I was asking as globally in 2024 incumbents appear to be losing their control and change-of-government seems to be the way voters prefer as it happened in the UK, Germany, Japan, South Korea and France - even though some of those parties ruled for decades.

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Re: 2024 United States Presidential Elections - Donald Trump historic comeback!

Postby Dizzy28 » November 10th, 2024, 11:53 pm

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
paid_influencer wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:What will this US election teach the parties in T&T contesting our 2025 national election?
What will the PNM and UNC and other political parties here take away from the US election result?


what they should learn:
  1. people vote based on material conditions

what they will take away:
  1. Trump is a "returning leader"

other random takeaways that nobody will learn
  1. Competitive internal elections produce competitive candidates
  2. Coherent, targeted policy is better than trying to be everything to everybody
  3. Economic policy is the bread-and-butter of a campaign
  4. Deportation and strong borders is popular
  5. Genocide is unpopular
  6. Covid election (2020) result is/always was a fluke
  7. Celebrity endorsements and concerts are a waste of money

I was asking as globally in 2024 incumbents appear to be losing their control and change-of-government seems to be the way voters prefer as it happened in the UK, Germany, Japan, South Korea and France - even though some of those parties ruled for decades.
It's the Curse of Zelensky striking again
Screenshot_20241110-235212.jpg

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » November 11th, 2024, 1:20 pm

^ well damn

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Re: 2024 United States Presidential Elections - Donald Trump historic comeback!

Postby sMASH » November 11th, 2024, 3:55 pm

Or is it the neocon fascists who would naturally support a war against Russia , got booted out by their countrymen because it resulted in crashing their economies ...

Getting rid of Russian gas drove up cost of manufacturing and living , in their already strained economies right after covid.

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Re: 2024 United States Presidential Elections - Donald Trump historic comeback!

Postby timelapse » November 11th, 2024, 7:33 pm

Musk is a simple man:
He wants to get rid of the LGBT culture that claimed his son.
Badmind + plenty $ can do things

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Re: 2024 United States Presidential Elections - Donald Trump historic comeback!

Postby The_Honourable » November 11th, 2024, 8:51 pm

It's official... republicans take the house

This election was the perfect red sweep

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Re: 2024 United States Presidential Elections - Donald Trump historic comeback!

Postby redmanjp » November 12th, 2024, 12:33 am

The_Honourable wrote:It's official... republicans take the house

This election was the perfect red sweep


wow: presidency, house and senate

"He (Trump) did better in every demographic! - the Exit poll said he grabbed 52% of white women. He also got their votes." :lol:


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Postby PariaMan » November 12th, 2024, 7:31 am

White women apparently like being grabbed in the

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Postby zoom rader » November 12th, 2024, 7:51 am

PariaMan wrote:White women apparently like being grabbed in the
But they still use the BBC

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