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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby PapaC » September 13th, 2014, 9:31 am

link wrote:
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UML wrote:20 ppl (majority of which dont even live there and the rest having economic benefits from the recommended path) inconveniencing 1,500,000 people :|

It had a baby boom down South that we don't know about or what??

change it to YOU...ppl pass these routes SEVERAL TIMES A DAY during the course of doing business....if one were to do a checker survey you'd probs get 2.5M..........
u so want to say nuttin' loudly... :roll:

I live and commute in south. And I know the area needs the upgrade of its road network. But it's foolish to assume only 20 people who don't live in the area inconvenience1.5mil. Both figures are crazy wrong. And your "probs 2.5mil" is over a year period?

Any major infrastructure change can't be viewed as a benefit to one neighborhood/ community/ district. It has national impact.
Not every commentator looks through a political goggles at everything.

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby 9YDMS » September 13th, 2014, 3:58 pm

debe leg...(behind debe market to ghandi village)

found this article had to share it :mrgreen:

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Hig ... 97774.html
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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby UML » September 13th, 2014, 4:02 pm

The government has to do what benefits the majority of the citizenry

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby 9YDMS » September 13th, 2014, 4:13 pm

debe interchange + bridge..this is where the hwy presently ends
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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby 9YDMS » September 13th, 2014, 4:41 pm

Debe interchange...
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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby UML » September 13th, 2014, 4:49 pm

Great pics. Can't wait to take a drive.

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby 9YDMS » September 13th, 2014, 4:55 pm

UML wrote:Great pics. Can't wait to take a drive.


thanks...seems the majority of people are for the hwy..will definitely light up south :!:

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby UML » September 13th, 2014, 10:04 pm

Definitely. The supporters live beyond the lighthouse.


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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby Rory Phoulorie » September 14th, 2014, 11:54 pm

Why don't they just let Kublalsingh starve to death? Problem solved.

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby The_Honourable » September 15th, 2014, 12:31 am

UML wrote:2 big oil spill and now

THIS

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but we cah find Kublalsingh....he only on land and money deal!!!


EXACTLY...

The only person who talking about what's happening at Invaders Bay is Afra Raymond, and he's part of the JCC.

But let Kubs go ahead. With all that gas and headache he going to get if he really start back his antics, he better stock up on dica and paracetemol.

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby Who need enemy » September 15th, 2014, 12:48 am

Yuh talkin filth and confused what you fighting for

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby No Mediacore » September 15th, 2014, 5:22 pm

Perhaps from your viewpoint in ivory towers, every degree of mistake converts into mass misseducation

You know the argument weak when they cant stand with their own words

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby TriP » September 15th, 2014, 6:20 pm

I was by the OAS office last week..That Golconda Flyover already finished,so is the Mon Desir section which I hear is opening on the 24th September 2014 (so dey say) :lol:

An i dunno why Kubalsingh juss doh dead quick ,,he becoming a damn nuisance now :lol: :lol:

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby UML » September 15th, 2014, 6:24 pm

BRING EEEEEEEEEET!!!!

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby daron » September 15th, 2014, 6:25 pm

It was due to open in May . According to reports a while back

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby Ted_v2 » September 15th, 2014, 6:40 pm

Mon Desir section already paved and street lights already hook up. just have a little piece till the oropouche roundabout

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby nervewrecker » September 15th, 2014, 10:17 pm

I wonder if they pay that scrap iron dealer for the land?

Mon desir road gone through btw

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby No Mediacore » September 16th, 2014, 3:40 am

TriP wrote:I was by the OAS office last week..That Golconda Flyover already finished,so is the Mon Desir section which I hear is opening on the 24th September 2014 (so dey say) :lol:

An i dunno why Kubalsingh juss doh dead quick ,,he becoming a damn nuisance now :lol: :lol:


How d rash? yuh so desperate for he jockey yuh trip and fall in hell

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby UML » September 16th, 2014, 5:10 am

Anyone know which part of Mon Desir the red/white boy that protesting from? :lol: :lol:

Ah setta damn ppl who doh even pass the lighthouse. Steups.

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby grad » September 16th, 2014, 8:57 am

New letter to Kublalsingh. (first one was retracted)

Dr. Wayne Kublalsingh
Kerria Drive
La Florrisante
D'Abadie
Trinidad

URGENT

Dear Sir,

Re: Notice of Hunger Strike

I act on behalf of the Attorney General of Trinidad and Tobago, who has been passed your letter dated the 3rd September 2014, written to the Honorable Prime Minister, for reply.

As you are well aware, being one of the litigants in C.V. 2012-03205 as well as the de facto leader of the Highway Re-Route Movement, another party to the aforementioned litigation, many if not all of the issues that you have raised in your letter are presently engaging the attention of the High Court.

You and the members of your movement have invoked the original jurisdiction of the High Court under section 14 of the Constitution seeking constitutional protection of the Court against claimed quia time alleged breaches of your constitutional rights. The Attorney General is representing the interest of the State in this matter. Both parties are being represented by eminent Senior members of the Inner Bar. Substantial resources have been devoted by both parties and more importantly the Court to allow this matter to be determined. Having invoked the jurisdiction of the Court for the determination of whether the State has breached your rights, adherence to the Rule of Law and the Constitution would require that the parties to the dispute abide by the decision of the Court while this matter remains pending.

As you have indicated in your letter your movement holds one view regarding the manner and route of the construction of the extension of the Highway. There are many other residents who hold an opposing view of the same facts. It would not be right for either party to seek to unilaterally circumvent the determination of the issues before the Court by attempting to find a solution to the issues that satisfies only one category of the persons affected by the construction of the Highway. Adopting such a course would not only be unfair and unreasonable but may amount to a contempt of Court.

Therefore, the State cannot in these circumstances accede to any such request. If it is that you and the persons that you lead wish to now seek a non legal solution to the issues over which you have raised concerns, it would be a condition precedent to adoption of any such course that the High Court matter, which you are pursuing, be withdrawn.

The High Court has ruled that your movement is not entitled to injunctive relief in this matter. The finding of the High Court was affirmed by the Court of Appeal. You sought relief from the Court of Appeal that your appeal of the decision of the Court of Appeal to the Judicial Committee be deemed urgent and this application was refused. At each stage that you and your movement have been unsuccessful orders for costs have been made against you and no proposal or attempt has been made to determine how these orders will be satisfied by you and those that follow you.

You have made several claims in your letter which are factually as well as legally inaccurate, I shall set out these and correct your allegations seriatim. You make reference to your four arrests in trying to bring public attention to your plight. I wish to draw your attention to the dicta of Justice of Appeal Narine in Civil Appeal No. P142 of 2014 in commenting upon your behavior while seeking redress in the Court. His Lordship stated,

"The courts must always be vigilant in its protection of the rule of law and must be uncompromising in its insistence that the rule of law must be observed. While the courts will always protect the citizen's right to engage in lawful protest in defence of his constitutional or private rights, where the protest crosses the line into unlawful activity, the court must be careful not to condone such conduct This is particularly important in the prevailing social climate in which there has been a noticeable erosion of respect for and observance of the rule of law. In this case, what troubles the court even more, is the fact that the unlawful acts outlined in the Labate affidavit took place after the constitutional motion had been filed, and the matter was placed before the court".

This represents a complete judicial reproach of your allegations.

At page 4 of your letter you make certain bold allegations of the findings of the High Court in relation to the actions of the Honorable Prime Minister and the government. With respect to these allegations I reply by quoting the words of Justice of Appeal Narine in the aforementioned appeal where His Lordship at paragraph 28 of his Judgment set aside the said findings you refer to in your letter. His Lordship stated:

"Not having embarked on a full hearing of the substantive issues in the case involving possible cross-examination, a close analysis of the evidence and the full assistance of counsel on both sides with respect to the evidence and the relevant law, it is quite wrong for a trial judge to make final findings at the interlocutory stage. Accordingly, in so far as the matters set out in paragraphs 26 and 27 reflect final findings of fact, mixed fact and law, these findings are set aside. In doing so, we express the hope that the trial judge will revisit these findings with an open mind at the hearing of the substantive issues."

Your attempt to seek to rely upon the findings of the High Court, being fully aware that those findings were overturned, by the cross appeal of the Respondent being allowed is quite disingenuous and deceitful. The Court of Appeal expressly directed that the High Court revisit the findings upon which you rely in your letter.

You make several statements about the Armstrong report. Much of what you rely upon in your letter amounts to self-serving opinion of your impression of the facts surrounding this issue. On the 18th September 2013 you sought permission in the constitutional motion before Justice Aboud to amend the Fixed Date Claim Form to include the events surrounding the appointment of the Armstrong Committee and the delivery of their report. The issues surrounding the Armstrong report are now the subject of new relief, which you seek before the Court. Dr. Kublalsingh, you cannot approbate and reprobate when you are before the Court. You have chosen to invoke the powers of the Court and the State is prepared to abide by the determination of the Court in this matter. The issues of which you claim regarding the Armstrong Report and the actions of the State in relation to same must now be determined by the Court as a result of your actions. The State has been compelled to defend all the allegations that you have made in relation to this report before the Court. This has been an expensive exercise funded by taxpayers and it cannot be right for the State to simply abandon the process invoked by none other than yourself. The Court will determine the effect of the Armstrong Report and the legality of the actions of the State subsequent to the completion of same.

You final two paragraphs of your letter express your intention to commence another hunger strike to highlight your plight. As you accurately set out in your letter such action would lead to consequences and risks, which are unknown. However you do so at your own peril. While you have the right to protest in a lawful manner the State has the duty and responsibility to protect life and will not be deterred in carrying adhering to that responsibility as it has done in the past. The State is prepared to abide by the law in this matter and will not be persuaded by and actions of a man who seeks sympathy and empathy from the population in support of his cause. Should the State adopt such a cause it would lead only to anarchy and tyranny and compromise the Rule of Law and the democracy, which we as a people have grown to enjoy and protect.

In those circumstances I trust that you will understand that the State cannot accede to your requests and I have all confidence that you will do what is right in the circumstances for yourself and the country.

Please be guided accordingly.

Yours respectfully,

Petal Alexander
/f/ Chief State Solicitor

c.c Mr. Anil V. Maraj, Attorney at Law.


The thing is how the one man who don't want to move for the highway( i think its Balliram Siew who the hrm has made their poster boy) is surrounded by no one, as everybody else who had to move, took their compensation and moved. I think where his house is, is where the penal interchange will be.

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby Redman » September 16th, 2014, 9:07 am

What is frustrating to me...is that the GORTT is yet to confront WK s assertions head on...each side refuting the other in carefully managed press conferences and therefore clouding the issues....

The GORTT should set a PUBLIC forum,and bring both sides to present their side....and arbitrate the matter once and for all and in full view of the public.

Im all for the highway, but I also believe that it should not be done in an hamfisted manner-where a little more effort might make a big difference to the ecologically sensitive areas..

Its a RE ROUTE movement-not a anti highway movement.

Both sides seem to have an agenda.

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby nervewrecker » September 16th, 2014, 1:42 pm

UML wrote:Anyone know which part of Mon Desir the red/white boy that protesting from? :lol: :lol:

Ah setta damn ppl who doh even pass the lighthouse. Steups.

They was in fyzabad representing dehli road people.

When I tell gitana and vandana that they not from dehli road I get cuss up.

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby grad » September 16th, 2014, 4:06 pm

nervewrecker wrote:
UML wrote:Anyone know which part of Mon Desir the red/white boy that protesting from? :lol: :lol:

Ah setta damn ppl who doh even pass the lighthouse. Steups.

They was in fyzabad representing dehli road people.

When I tell gitana and vandana that they not from dehli road I get cuss up.


Hoss, you cant tell Gitana and Vandana anything contrary to the HRM view. That is like their religion and way of life now. They have been brainwashed.

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby brams112 » September 16th, 2014, 10:02 pm

Redman wrote:What is frustrating to me...is that the GORTT is yet to confront WK s assertions head on...each side refuting the other in carefully managed press conferences and therefore clouding the issues....

The GORTT should set a PUBLIC forum,and bring both sides to present their side....and arbitrate the matter once and for all and in full view of the public.

Im all for the highway, but I also believe that it should not be done in an hamfisted manner-where a little more effort might make a big difference to the ecologically sensitive areas..

Its a RE ROUTE movement-not a anti highway movement.

Both sides seem to have an agenda.

Pal people getting paid to prevent,to make sure the highway goes where certain people bought lands just to make a killing and so on,the amount of times it was realigned most folks don't know.Where do you live and commute?because at any given time there could be gridlocked traffic going point from all roads,don't even mention when the gulf starts to get on bad,so you got to listen to who living in the area,have titles to their land and those who experience the traffic.Yesterday I was going towards the creek,when I reached paria suites there was a pile up,ended up passing through woodland,because I did not want to be caught in salt water spray.Plus most of the protesters are squatters eh.

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby 9YDMS » September 16th, 2014, 10:15 pm

TriP wrote:I was by the OAS office last week..That Golconda Flyover already finished,so is the Mon Desir section which I hear is opening on the 24th September 2014 (so dey say) :lol:


I hope this is true..they been working on that golconda interchange for too long imo...lots of traffic there on mornings/evenings :(

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby 9YDMS » September 17th, 2014, 12:02 am

hunger strike #2 .....lets see what happens this time
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/HUN ... 85751.html

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby The_Honourable » September 17th, 2014, 1:24 am

Calor wrote:hunger strike #2 .....lets see what happens this time
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/HUN ... 85751.html


Kublalsingh said he was prepared to abide by the ruling of the Privy Council, “but that does not mean that we can’t use other means—peaceful, diplomatic means—to still try to resolve the problem”.

Literally... my way or the highway :|

But I wonder if it would have antics in from the PM office like last time :mrgreen:

... and the thing is, he would just be remembered as "d man who kill heself over ah highway"
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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby abbow » September 17th, 2014, 7:13 am

while i am for the highway....the question really remains.....how much is it goin to help the traffic situation? i drive from south to st clair 5 days a week...and doing that for the last 12 years...

i leave home at 4 am...get to work around 5 am to avoid all the traffic and the crap driving that we get sometimes on a morning..if i were to leave home 5 am....different story...

bamboo lights, gulf lights and macko traffic is to blame for the traffic heading into Sando after 6 am...

most of the traffic i encounter is on the hw from gasparillo onwards....so does this mean that we gonna get out of south faster and meet the same traffic on the hw that we do now? really, it doesnt mean because we have the hw in south now..that the amount of commuters heading into pos will be less....it means they can leave home a little late and with everyone doing the same...same traffic to POS

i live 4 houses away from where the Grant trace intersection will be built, so i await to see the difference it really makes for me having to go st clair every day...

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