Discussion: LCD/LED/OLED 4k 8K UHD HDR TV Tech

[Fadakartel]

Hey guys,

I am looking to buy a 4k oled tv for gaming on my pc the tv that I currently have in mind is the:

http://www.amazon.com/LG-Electronics-65 ... 4k+oled+tv

My main concern is warranty I do not want to have to ship the tv back to LG when something goes wrong are their any service centres in Trinidad that repairs LG tvs?

before you consider warranty, can your video card in your PC run your games at 4K at 60fps?

Well im going to get two gtx 980s or a gtx titan X soon i think those should be able to run it.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Hey guys,

I am looking to buy a 4k oled tv for gaming on my pc the tv that I currently have in mind is the:

http://www.amazon.com/LG-Electronics-65 ... 4k+oled+tv

My main concern is warranty I do not want to have to ship the tv back to LG when something goes wrong are their any service centres in Trinidad that repairs LG tvs?

before you consider warranty, can your video card in your PC run your games at 4K at 60fps?

Well im going to get two gtx 980s or a gtx titan X soon i think those should be able to run it.

nice!

US$10,000 for the TV and US$1,200 for the video card - you really want that 4K at 60fps bad!

You should join in on the discussion in the PC gaming thread
viewtopic.php?p=8639308#p8639308

[sMASH]

I managed to get ~90 fps being generated at 4k with 2way Sli 970's .

But frankly, 60fps seems ok for me.... But nothing less!.
I am not sure of the hdmi standard of the cards.

120 Hz refresh seems an optimal performance /economic balance.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

I managed to get ~90 fps being generated at 4k with 2way Sli 970's .

But frankly, 60fps seems ok for me.... But nothing less!.
I am not sure of the hdmi standard of the cards.

120 Hz refresh seems an optimal performance /economic balance.

what did you display it on?

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

wow guys....good info, lots of info....I forgot that I looking to buy ah tv and these makes a bit more difficult.

Question, since 120hz and 240hz refresh rates differ in price up to as much as US $ 500, is it really worth it buying a 240hz refresh rate tv ?

Also, I am thinking, I should buy a 65 instead of the 75, but with 4k capability, smart ( no 3d ) etc OR

should I buy a 65 or 75, NON -SMART, led or oled, 120 or 240hz, and get a updated receiver and a roku or other streaming device and sound system ( got a cinemate 2 and a nakamichi already )

why do you think you need 120Hz or 240Hz?

IMO a receiver and speaker system is a must in any home theater.
IMO a new Roku 2 or 3 is better than the smart part of any TV

Can you get a 65 or 75 inch TV that is not smart these days?

Duane , what you think about the soap opera effect ?

dont like it at all. Looks fake.

Actually it depends on what you are watching. For sports and gaming it's great as it keeps up with fast movement. For watching movies filmed at 24fps it looks fake. For normal TV it makes everything look like it was filmed with a camcorder. For movies filmed at higher frame rates like The Hobbit I guess it looks like what the director intended, but since no cinema in T&T had the capability to show the Hobbit at the higher frame rate I'm not sure what it is supposed to look like!

[sMASH]

On a normal 1080p monitor.
But it was a trick I saw to increase image quality. U let he graphics process for a higher resolution then it downsamples to the screen resolution. So in my case I went double, and three images shown are on 1080p .

Down sampling is like the reverse of upscaling.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

On a normal 1080p monitor.
But it was a trick I saw to increase image quality. U let he graphics process for a higher resolution then it downsamples to the screen resolution. So in my case I went double, and three images shown are on 1080p .

Down sampling is like the reverse of upscaling.

how does it increase image quality?

[fouljuice]

I never try it out so I can't personally say how big difference it makes.

Dynamic Super Resolution.

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/dsr/technology

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

^ it's still 1080p though. Just getting better render quality from the game.

[Premchand1976]

OK guys, after a lengthy with bestbuy geek squad support I am inclined to a 65 inch smart 4k or bigger Samsung brand with a Blu Ray 4k capable upscaler. We all know that no matter what TV we buy, our cable feed is crap so the benefit of an updated TV with its features would only be enjoyed via Blu Ray or 4k dvd 's.

I'm thinking along this path with the hope that sooner or later our cable TV will be upscaled to match the new series of smart tv's.

I don't really need to stream online except when my son watches his kids educational shows and for that I have the Toshiba 46 with the Samsung smart dvd player.

Now to decide on which size Samsung from 65 -75 and or Toshiba 65 with 240hz refresh rate.

Bestbuy recommends the Samsung based on reviews, performance and overall performance.

Thanks for all the useful info shared for us all to be better equipped when buying our tv nowadays.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

OK guys, after a lengthy with bestbuy geek squad support I am inclined to a 65 inch smart 4k or bigger Samsung brand with a Blu Ray 4k capable upscaler. We all know that no matter what TV we buy, our cable feed is crap so the benefit of an updated TV with its features would only be enjoyed via Blu Ray or 4k dvd 's.

DVDs can't support 4K

What's a "Blu Ray 4k capable upscaler"?

I'm thinking along this path with the hope that sooner or later our cable TV will be upscaled to match the new series of smart tv's.

we already have HD cable from Flow with their new IP based Advanced Video Service http://discoverflow.co/trinidad/promoti ... o-service#

by the time we have 4K cable, any TV bought now will be obsolete and OLED will be affordable and mainstay for everyone.

I'm not sure what our cable has to do with smart part of your Tv since cable is not a streaming service.

I don't really need to stream online except when my son watches his kids educational shows and for that I have the Toshiba 46 with the Samsung smart dvd player.

So you are buying a smart TV, but you don't need a smart TV and you are using another TV to carry out smart TV duties?

Now to decide on which size Samsung from 65 -75 and or Toshiba 65 with 240hz refresh rate.

again, why is 240Hz a requirement for you?

Bestbuy recommends the Samsung based on reviews, performance and overall performance.

Bestbuy recommends that you spend as much money with them as possible regardless of what you actually need.

Thanks for all the useful info shared for us all to be better equipped when buying our tv nowadays.

seems you didn't listen to a word of it though.

*scratches head*

[Premchand1976]

Ok Duane. I hear you but when it comes to buying anything bigger than 65 you not getting a regular type led or lcd, they all come smart capable, 3d, 4k etc etc.

Check best buy site for the smart player that is 4k up scalable. 150us

I really just want to have a bigger TV, same or better quality as the toshiba I got now, for the living room, when I move this one to my sons bedroom.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Ok Duane. I hear you but when it comes to buying anything bigger than 65 you not getting a regular type led or lcd, they all come smart capable, 3d, 4k etc etc.

I know that almost all TV's now in that size are smart TV's

but nevermind, I'm sure you will enjoy your new TV either way

[scotty_buttons]

Duane why you so
I'm sure he didn't meant literally a 4K dvd and by bluray 4k upscaler I assume he meant a 4K receiver with bluray player and 4K upscaler. I hope...
A question for you though, if you were in the market for a new tv now, what would you get and why?

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Duane why you so
I'm sure he didn't meant literally a 4K dvd and by bluray 4k upscaler I assume he meant a 4K receiver with bluray player and 4K upscaler. I hope...
A question for you though, if you were in the market for a new tv now, what would you get and why?

I'd attempt to repair my home theater plasma if it stopped working. I probably won't buy anything right now until maybe OLED prices fall.

I just bought a 1080p LED Panasonic 50" for my office, but I wasn't too concerned with picture quality there. It's really to watch news on Roku etc.

I'm not against 4K, my everyday computer is a 5K screen. But that's an IPS panel 5120x2880 at 60Hz which comes in handy for work.

My main grouse with 4K right now is that a lot of the tech is in transition and it needs to settle before jumping to buy a main home theater screen. So in the mean time I'd stick with what I have.

The new Vizio 4K screens are tempting because at that price point you can afford to change it later on when the technology changes.

[scotty_buttons]

Duane why you so
I'm sure he didn't meant literally a 4K dvd and by bluray 4k upscaler I assume he meant a 4K receiver with bluray player and 4K upscaler. I hope...
A question for you though, if you were in the market for a new tv now, what would you get and why?

I'd attempt to repair my home theater plasma if it stopped working. I probably won't buy anything right now until maybe OLED prices fall.

I just bought a 1080p LED Panasonic 50" for my office, but I wasn't too concerned with picture quality there. It's really to watch news on Roku etc.

I'm not against 4K, my everyday computer is a 5K screen. But that's an IPS panel 5120x2880 at 60Hz which comes in handy for work.

My main grouse with 4K right now is that a lot of the tech is in transition and it needs to settle before jumping to buy a main home theater screen. So in the mean time I'd stick with what I have.

The new Vizio 4K screens are tempting because at that price point you can afford to change it later on when the technology changes.

Good points. But IMHO, regardless if you buy a tv now or 10years later, tech gonna evolve and the tech in your TV that you just bought may be outdated in a couple years or less since things changing at an increasing rate. Example. 4K didn't settle properly yet and 8K already here.

Oled TV prices halved in about one year's time after consumer release. Makes me wanna wait till I buy one myself and settle for a 'normal' TV for now.

Fix a plasma though ? In Trinidad!?! Good luck. I have an 8 year old Panasonic 42inch plasma TV that stopped working a couple years ago. Wish I could've gotten that fixed.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Duane why you so
I'm sure he didn't meant literally a 4K dvd and by bluray 4k upscaler I assume he meant a 4K receiver with bluray player and 4K upscaler. I hope...
A question for you though, if you were in the market for a new tv now, what would you get and why?

I'd attempt to repair my home theater plasma if it stopped working. I probably won't buy anything right now until maybe OLED prices fall.

I just bought a 1080p LED Panasonic 50" for my office, but I wasn't too concerned with picture quality there. It's really to watch news on Roku etc.

I'm not against 4K, my everyday computer is a 5K screen. But that's an IPS panel 5120x2880 at 60Hz which comes in handy for work.

My main grouse with 4K right now is that a lot of the tech is in transition and it needs to settle before jumping to buy a main home theater screen. So in the mean time I'd stick with what I have.

The new Vizio 4K screens are tempting because at that price point you can afford to change it later on when the technology changes.

Good points. But IMHO, regardless if you buy a tv now or 10years later, tech gonna evolve and the tech in your TV that you just bought may be outdated in a couple years or less since things changing at an increasing rate. Example. 4K didn't settle properly yet and 8K already here.

Oled TV prices halved in about one year's time after consumer release. Makes me wanna wait till I buy one myself and settle for a 'normal' TV for now.

Fix a plasma though ? In Trinidad!?! Good luck. I have an 8 year old Panasonic 42inch plasma TV that stopped working a couple years ago. Wish I could've gotten that fixed.

Luxsam, the authorised Samsung distributor and repair center fixed this 58" Samsung plasma in 2011. I bought it in 2009. It suffered from heat as my wall mount was too close to the wall. I fixed that too. That Samsung in 2009 came in with perhaps the best picture quality short of a Kuro Elite which was 3 times the price.

a panel can last you years once you ensure a few things when you are buying. 1080p has remained the mainstay over the past years. 4K may be the next mainstay or they may try to push 8K, who knows. Right now there is a toss up with displayport 1.3 and HDMI 2.0 capabilities, 4K at anything higher than 60Hz native and bit depth. I think by Christmas these things will get sorted and it would be a perfect time to buy a new panel.

[scotty_buttons]

I feel both hdmi 2.0 and displayport will persist for quite sometime. Hdmi for consumer displays ; displayport for more PC use. Just like how VGA did for so many years. But yeah guess we'll see.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

I feel both hdmi 2.0 and displayport will persist for quite sometime. Hdmi for consumer displays ; displayport for more PC use. Just like how VGA did for so many years. But yeah guess we'll see.

no I don't mean to compete!

I meant that displayport 1.2 and HDMI 2.0 can only support 4K at 60Hz

to get 4K at 120Hz and higher bit depth (for those OLED displays for example) for higher dynamic range it will require displayport 1.3 and a bump in HDMI 2.0 standards

Currently nothing runs displayport 1.3. Nvidia and AMD are supposed to launch DP 1.3 cards later this year, but no 4K 120Hz native monitors yet exist.

[Premchand1976]

OK OK OK. Imma wait till thanksgiving and see how things pan out. Unless, memorial day has a sale i can't pass up on.

Thanks guys

[scotty_buttons]

LG's 'Wallpaper' TV that's only 1mm thick ? Damn.
http://www.sciencedump.com/content/bend ... all-magnet

[bluesclues]

buh how ah pluggin dah een to the hdmi?? still want lol

[Premchand1976]

OK guys so the Samsung 75 inch came in last Thursday and was hooked up over the weekend. One word ......WOW.

We did a comparison between the 46 and the 75 and the quality is chalk and cheese. ......even whilst streaming local cable movies.

Blu Ray movies......WOW.

Next step......sell the Bose and buy an Onkyo or Klipsch. .........need more rumble and clarity.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Klipsch > Onkyo IMO

[Premchand1976]

Noted. Will act accordingly. ....lol

[scotty_buttons]

So anybody getting that 4K OLED panel this Christmas?
Another year has passed and I'm still not convinced 4K is worth the plunge just yet.. Hardly any 4K content. 4K games pretty much non existent.. and will be till the ps5, etc in a couple years or so.

Considering my viewing distance (7-8ft). Might as well get a 55-60inch OLED 1080p if it's on sale month end.
Only thing tugging me towards UHD is watching over breaking bad in 4K goodness
And upcoming 4K bluray movies..

Duane what u think? Makes sense future proofing now ? You going 4K or OLED or both? Or still waiting for OLED tech to mature and 4K content to catch up?


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[Duane 3NE 2NR]

nah I'm waiting - Netflix and Youtube has a lot of 4K content and growing.

If you absolutely need a new TV then I'd suggest an OLED 1080p.
I don't really care for the curved TV's but if you like that then fine.

But OLED picture quality is leaps above LED and I don't think it makes sense spending almost 4x the money on OLED 4K just yet

for the price I think OLED 1080p is better picture than LED 4K especially if you sit 10ft away from your TV.

I have a 5K monitor on my computer, but only because I sit about 16 inches away all day.

[Premchand1976]

How would our local cable at 480i quality show on these oled and 4k tv's ? Would we enjoy these quality only on movies ? Blu Ray, 4k, 3d etc etc ?

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

^ our local cable from Flow is now 720p and 1080p HD feeds on their new AVS boxes and it shows pretty good!

1080p and 4K TV's have built in upscalers that take lower resolution images and upscale them to 1080p or 4K.

Of course as with anything, garbage in, garbage out. If your source signal is crap, there is little the upscaler can do except upscale the crap into bigger crap.

3D is an entirely different story as you would need a 3D video source to get anything in true 3D on a 3D TV.

[scotty_buttons]

Don't fancy up them curved ting either nuh. Just realized all of LGs OLED are curved. Steups.
Yeh those iMac 27 displays are gorgeous.



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