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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby AlphaMan » November 6th, 2023, 6:08 pm

triniterribletim wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
AlphaMan wrote:
Dohplaydat wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
AlphaMan wrote:I take it that to comfortably migrate into these eu destinations( Portugal, Switzerland Etc) you have to have some decent capital and in US dollars too right..
How you migrating with a credit card to finance your stay over there...
In a nutshell yes.

U have to understand these countries need to protect their boarders. You can't have economic migrants just coming in. EU is not Trinidad

But there are ways if u are a young person to get a working visa/school and build urself from there.

Just research


I'd recommend getting a degree that's internationally recognised (UWI is but unless you have multinational experience they treating you like you have A-levels alone) and getting through to the UK. After 5 years you can get ILR then shortly after citizenship.

UK is a great platform to be an expat in other countries.

What's it like to be in another country away from all your trini family and friends?
Does it affect your mental state of mind? Loneliness etc..
In the UK it does affect u in a way. Some trinis there, students, workers or families stay in a close loop with other trinis. It takes a couple of months to grow friends outside of Trinidad.

Let just say UK folk like to keep to themselves and they don't really care to mingle with u, unless if u belong to a social circle.

In the UK u can go to school or work and know these people for years, but that is as far as it goes. Very rarely will u get invited to their homes or things like celebrations, wedding, parties ect.

However they will invite u to pubs/bars maybe restaurants.

You will find ethic groups stick to themselves


Totally the exact opposite here in Brazil. People will go out of their way to be friendly to you. You will get invited to parties, bars, weddings, beach excursions and all manner of other things. People in smaller cities where foreigners are a rare sight will want to talk to you for a while and take pictures with you. It is harder to not make friends here.

How many countries have you been to and what are they?
You seem to be living life as opposed to most who stuck in a boring cycle..what's the secret?

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby The Bamboo Online » November 6th, 2023, 8:03 pm

He is only as smart as google search and Bard

That’s his secret

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby triniterribletim » November 6th, 2023, 9:31 pm

AlphaMan wrote:
triniterribletim wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
AlphaMan wrote:
Dohplaydat wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
AlphaMan wrote:I take it that to comfortably migrate into these eu destinations( Portugal, Switzerland Etc) you have to have some decent capital and in US dollars too right..
How you migrating with a credit card to finance your stay over there...
In a nutshell yes.

U have to understand these countries need to protect their boarders. You can't have economic migrants just coming in. EU is not Trinidad

But there are ways if u are a young person to get a working visa/school and build urself from there.

Just research


I'd recommend getting a degree that's internationally recognised (UWI is but unless you have multinational experience they treating you like you have A-levels alone) and getting through to the UK. After 5 years you can get ILR then shortly after citizenship.

UK is a great platform to be an expat in other countries.

What's it like to be in another country away from all your trini family and friends?
Does it affect your mental state of mind? Loneliness etc..
In the UK it does affect u in a way. Some trinis there, students, workers or families stay in a close loop with other trinis. It takes a couple of months to grow friends outside of Trinidad.

Let just say UK folk like to keep to themselves and they don't really care to mingle with u, unless if u belong to a social circle.

In the UK u can go to school or work and know these people for years, but that is as far as it goes. Very rarely will u get invited to their homes or things like celebrations, wedding, parties ect.

However they will invite u to pubs/bars maybe restaurants.

You will find ethic groups stick to themselves


Totally the exact opposite here in Brazil. People will go out of their way to be friendly to you. You will get invited to parties, bars, weddings, beach excursions and all manner of other things. People in smaller cities where foreigners are a rare sight will want to talk to you for a while and take pictures with you. It is harder to not make friends here.

How many countries have you been to and what are they?
You seem to be living life as opposed to most who stuck in a boring cycle..what's the secret?


Listing out every country I've been to would be too tedious. All it takes to see the world is the will to go and the drive to get the means to do so. That means being opportunistic and unattached to things that make it difficult to do so, like the things and worries you mentioned. If you have to consider a dozen or more variables, you're not gonna get past Tobago. You can see the world on a shoestring budget, or you can do so on a luxury one, or anywhere in between the two extremes, but if you never break yourself out of your comfort zone, you're never going to get very far and you'll fall into the same predictable patterns of behavior. The only real things holding you back are yourself and visa requirements.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby MaxPower » November 6th, 2023, 9:41 pm

Which country blanks Trinis the most?

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby zoom rader » November 6th, 2023, 10:32 pm

MaxPower wrote:Which country blanks Trinis the most?
USA, but its not a matter of getting blank, its a numbers game. Getting a visa is really the tosh of a coin and if the clerk likes you.

The only give out quota visas to maintain diplomatic relations with Trini as a favour.

Cayman Islands
Bermuda
Bahamas
British Vigrin Islands

Are visa free, rest of the carribean suck salt.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby Dizzy28 » November 6th, 2023, 11:19 pm

zoom rader wrote:
MaxPower wrote:Which country blanks Trinis the most?
USA, but its not a matter of getting blank, its a numbers game. Getting a visa is really the tosh of a coin and if the clerk likes you.

The only give out quota visas to maintain diplomatic relations with Trini as a favour.

Cayman Islands
Bermuda
Bahamas
British Vigrin Islands

Are visa free, rest of the carribean suck salt.
British Overseas Territories (excepting Bahamas) having visa free travel??

Tha fcuk!!

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby Redress10 » November 7th, 2023, 6:29 am

Dohplaydat wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
AlphaMan wrote:I take it that to comfortably migrate into these eu destinations( Portugal, Switzerland Etc) you have to have some decent capital and in US dollars too right..
How you migrating with a credit card to finance your stay over there...
In a nutshell yes.

U have to understand these countries need to protect their boarders. You can't have economic migrants just coming in. EU is not Trinidad

But there are ways if u are a young person to get a working visa/school and build urself from there.

Just research


I'd recommend getting a degree that's internationally recognised (UWI is but unless you have multinational experience they treating you like you have A-levels alone) and getting through to the UK. After 5 years you can get ILR then shortly after citizenship.

UK is a great platform to be an expat in other countries.


If they want to migrate to UK then it's best they get some sort of UK tertiary qualification. UOL degree etc

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby zoom rader » November 7th, 2023, 7:36 am

Redress10 wrote:
Dohplaydat wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
AlphaMan wrote:I take it that to comfortably migrate into these eu destinations( Portugal, Switzerland Etc) you have to have some decent capital and in US dollars too right..
How you migrating with a credit card to finance your stay over there...
In a nutshell yes.

U have to understand these countries need to protect their boarders. You can't have economic migrants just coming in. EU is not Trinidad

But there are ways if u are a young person to get a working visa/school and build urself from there.

Just research


I'd recommend getting a degree that's internationally recognised (UWI is but unless you have multinational experience they treating you like you have A-levels alone) and getting through to the UK. After 5 years you can get ILR then shortly after citizenship.

UK is a great platform to be an expat in other countries.


If they want to migrate to UK then it's best they get some sort of UK tertiary qualification. UOL degree etc
UK uni, accepts cxc. Apparently cxc is now rated higher than Gcse.

But the UK milks education for foreign students. One year is like £15 to 20k in fees then u have living expenses.

They do however allow you to work during ur stay, a system which was abuse by bogus Indian students. Some only use this to get into the UK and disappeared.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby Dohplaydat » November 7th, 2023, 11:17 am

zoom rader wrote:
Redress10 wrote:
Dohplaydat wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
AlphaMan wrote:I take it that to comfortably migrate into these eu destinations( Portugal, Switzerland Etc) you have to have some decent capital and in US dollars too right..
How you migrating with a credit card to finance your stay over there...
In a nutshell yes.

U have to understand these countries need to protect their boarders. You can't have economic migrants just coming in. EU is not Trinidad

But there are ways if u are a young person to get a working visa/school and build urself from there.

Just research


I'd recommend getting a degree that's internationally recognised (UWI is but unless you have multinational experience they treating you like you have A-levels alone) and getting through to the UK. After 5 years you can get ILR then shortly after citizenship.

UK is a great platform to be an expat in other countries.


If they want to migrate to UK then it's best they get some sort of UK tertiary qualification. UOL degree etc
UK uni, accepts cxc. Apparently cxc is now rated higher than Gcse.

But the UK milks education for foreign students. One year is like £15 to 20k in fees then u have living expenses.

They do however allow you to work during ur stay, a system which was abuse by bogus Indian students. Some only use this to get into the UK and disappeared.


Yea tier 4 students have to go in and check-in with Uni officials every 3 months or so. At least that was the case when I was there.

Since Brexit they allow international students who study here to stay up to 6 or 9 months (not sure) to find a job (with visa sponsorship to tier 2).

UK uni fees are expensive but don't do a BSc here, do a BSc in trini and then do an MSc in a Russel Group.....moreless on a very good track once you get a job here (and UK struggling to find competent professionals at the moment).

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby triniterribletim » November 7th, 2023, 11:28 am

zoom rader wrote:
Redress10 wrote:
Dohplaydat wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
AlphaMan wrote:I take it that to comfortably migrate into these eu destinations( Portugal, Switzerland Etc) you have to have some decent capital and in US dollars too right..
How you migrating with a credit card to finance your stay over there...
In a nutshell yes.

U have to understand these countries need to protect their boarders. You can't have economic migrants just coming in. EU is not Trinidad

But there are ways if u are a young person to get a working visa/school and build urself from there.

Just research


I'd recommend getting a degree that's internationally recognised (UWI is but unless you have multinational experience they treating you like you have A-levels alone) and getting through to the UK. After 5 years you can get ILR then shortly after citizenship.

UK is a great platform to be an expat in other countries.


If they want to migrate to UK then it's best they get some sort of UK tertiary qualification. UOL degree etc
UK uni, accepts cxc. Apparently cxc is now rated higher than Gcse.

But the UK milks education for foreign students. One year is like £15 to 20k in fees then u have living expenses.

They do however allow you to work during ur stay, a system which was abuse by bogus Indian students. Some only use this to get into the UK and disappeared.


People just don't take advantage of the things available to them because most are too afraid to step out of their comfort zone. I wonder how many people know that the Government of Brazil offers scholarships every year for students to pursue undergraduate or graduate and even postgraduate studies at the best Brazilian universities and even cover flight costs for Trinidadian students, plus gives them a full year to learn Portuguese? Or how about free maritime certification under a different program at the Brazilian naval schools? The only Caribbean person I know who has taken advantage of any of these programs is a Jamaican who is a board certified dentist and orthodontic specialist, but chose to open a Jamaican restaurant instead. Now he has three of them and is looking to franchise out places across Brazil. If people really wanted to leave they could more than do so, while gaining skills and training and even finding new avenues for business opportunities. People will stay in Trinidad, complain about the state of things, get rejected by Uncle Sam and Uncle Justin and just decay in situ.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby zoom rader » November 7th, 2023, 11:37 am

triniterribletim wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
Redress10 wrote:
Dohplaydat wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
AlphaMan wrote:I take it that to comfortably migrate into these eu destinations( Portugal, Switzerland Etc) you have to have some decent capital and in US dollars too right..
How you migrating with a credit card to finance your stay over there...
In a nutshell yes.

U have to understand these countries need to protect their boarders. You can't have economic migrants just coming in. EU is not Trinidad

But there are ways if u are a young person to get a working visa/school and build urself from there.

Just research


I'd recommend getting a degree that's internationally recognised (UWI is but unless you have multinational experience they treating you like you have A-levels alone) and getting through to the UK. After 5 years you can get ILR then shortly after citizenship.

UK is a great platform to be an expat in other countries.


If they want to migrate to UK then it's best they get some sort of UK tertiary qualification. UOL degree etc
UK uni, accepts cxc. Apparently cxc is now rated higher than Gcse.

But the UK milks education for foreign students. One year is like £15 to 20k in fees then u have living expenses.

They do however allow you to work during ur stay, a system which was abuse by bogus Indian students. Some only use this to get into the UK and disappeared.


People just don't take advantage of the things available to them because most are too afraid to step out of their comfort zone. I wonder how many people know that the Government of Brazil offers scholarships every year for students to pursue undergraduate or graduate and even postgraduate studies at the best Brazilian universities and even cover flight costs for Trinidadian students, plus gives them a full year to learn Portuguese? Or how about free maritime certification under a different program at the Brazilian naval schools? The only Caribbean person I know who has taken advantage of any of these programs is a Jamaican who is a board certified dentist and orthodontic specialist, but chose to open a Jamaican restaurant instead. Now he has three of them and is looking to franchise out places across Brazil. If people really wanted to leave they could more than do so, while gaining skills and training and even finding new avenues for business opportunities. People will stay in Trinidad, complain about the state of things, get rejected by Uncle Sam and Uncle Justin and just decay in situ.
U are very much correct.

Not sure if many trinis know about this or if they willing to go the extra mile.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby pugboy » November 7th, 2023, 3:25 pm

i know somebody who became a dentist in brazil
he never came back after secondary school and has a high standard of living there

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby zoom rader » November 7th, 2023, 3:35 pm

pugboy wrote:i know somebody who became a dentist in brazil
he never came back after secondary school and has a high standard of living there
If people want to leave and have the belly they can leave. Problem is Trinidad is filled with cowards.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby AlphaMan » November 7th, 2023, 5:45 pm

USA and UK ain't no cheap place to migrate too at the moment.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby MaxPower » November 7th, 2023, 6:26 pm

All these Trinis that migrating better don’t take their nasty habits with them..

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby triniterribletim » November 7th, 2023, 6:40 pm

AlphaMan wrote:USA and UK ain't no cheap place to migrate too at the moment.


Then just don't migrate to the US or UK or Canada? Uncle Joe and Uncle Justin and Uncle Charles have a monopoly on receiving Trinidadian migrants? Plenty places where it's possible to have a better quality of life at a cheaper cost than in Trinidad.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby Dohplaydat » November 8th, 2023, 7:05 pm

triniterribletim wrote:
AlphaMan wrote:USA and UK ain't no cheap place to migrate too at the moment.


Then just don't migrate to the US or UK or Canada? Uncle Joe and Uncle Justin and Uncle Charles have a monopoly on receiving Trinidadian migrants? Plenty places where it's possible to have a better quality of life at a cheaper cost than in Trinidad.


Where then? Aside from the EU, Australia and NZ, keep in mind the language barrier and cultural familiarity.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby 88sins » November 8th, 2023, 8:18 pm

Dohplaydat wrote:
triniterribletim wrote:
AlphaMan wrote:USA and UK ain't no cheap place to migrate too at the moment.


Then just don't migrate to the US or UK or Canada? Uncle Joe and Uncle Justin and Uncle Charles have a monopoly on receiving Trinidadian migrants? Plenty places where it's possible to have a better quality of life at a cheaper cost than in Trinidad.


Where then? Aside from the EU, Australia and NZ, keep in mind the language barrier and cultural familiarity.

I'm surprised you left out the outright blatant racism, because it's definitely a factor

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby triniterribletim » November 9th, 2023, 2:19 am

Dohplaydat wrote:
triniterribletim wrote:
AlphaMan wrote:USA and UK ain't no cheap place to migrate too at the moment.


Then just don't migrate to the US or UK or Canada? Uncle Joe and Uncle Justin and Uncle Charles have a monopoly on receiving Trinidadian migrants? Plenty places where it's possible to have a better quality of life at a cheaper cost than in Trinidad.


Where then? Aside from the EU, Australia and NZ, keep in mind the language barrier and cultural familiarity.


Brazil. The only real obstacle is the language barrier, apart from that, the culture is similar enough that a Trinidadian won't have any issue adapting whatsoever. Cheap CoL, far better infrastructure than Trinidad, cheap real estate, easier access to the international community and infinite things to see and do. Stability and access to insulation from inflationary pressures caused by major supply chain shock because they haven't offshored everything and need to rely on JIT imports is a helluva buffer to have.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby Dohplaydat » November 9th, 2023, 4:37 am

triniterribletim wrote:
Dohplaydat wrote:
triniterribletim wrote:
AlphaMan wrote:USA and UK ain't no cheap place to migrate too at the moment.


Then just don't migrate to the US or UK or Canada? Uncle Joe and Uncle Justin and Uncle Charles have a monopoly on receiving Trinidadian migrants? Plenty places where it's possible to have a better quality of life at a cheaper cost than in Trinidad.


Where then? Aside from the EU, Australia and NZ, keep in mind the language barrier and cultural familiarity.


Brazil. The only real obstacle is the language barrier, apart from that, the culture is similar enough that a Trinidadian won't have any issue adapting whatsoever. Cheap CoL, far better infrastructure than Trinidad, cheap real estate, easier access to the international community and infinite things to see and do. Stability and access to insulation from inflationary pressures caused by major supply chain shock because they haven't offshored everything and need to rely on JIT imports is a helluva buffer to have.


Brazil sounds great, but trinis are not going to line to go there. Life is Brazil is not significantly better than living in Trinidad.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby Dohplaydat » November 9th, 2023, 4:40 am

88sins wrote:
Dohplaydat wrote:
triniterribletim wrote:
AlphaMan wrote:USA and UK ain't no cheap place to migrate too at the moment.


Then just don't migrate to the US or UK or Canada? Uncle Joe and Uncle Justin and Uncle Charles have a monopoly on receiving Trinidadian migrants? Plenty places where it's possible to have a better quality of life at a cheaper cost than in Trinidad.


Where then? Aside from the EU, Australia and NZ, keep in mind the language barrier and cultural familiarity.

I'm surprised you left out the outright blatant racism, because it's definitely a factor


Racism is definitely another factor to consider. In the west is this isn't really a problem but in lots of more third world countries it is.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby K74T » November 9th, 2023, 5:38 am

I choose to live in Trinidad

People in Trinidad have found themselves at a crossroads since August 31, 1962. People everywhere find themselves at crossroads—where should I start my first job? Where should I educate my kids? What type of milk should I buy?—here or there, this or that.

It’s very like a Trini to be indecisive. Most Trinidadians pontificate about which path to take, most stay; some leave. And as I see my friends, family, acquaintances and lesser known ones leave, I can’t help but wonder—why? Better job opportunities, some say. My favourite and most understood complaint.

I think, though, unless you’ve had a taste of a foreign work culture, you’re not going to get what you expect; average Americans work about 40 hours a week; Australia, 35, depending on your field. Remember that the next Friday you take off to go to the beach.

One or two leave to “find themselves”. Another frightening example of how little we work to entice people to be fulfilled here, at any age.

This, though, is an envious position to be in. No matter where you are in the world, “find yourself” is about yourself, not about the world.

Brass tacks; it’s crime. It’s everywhere in Trinidad and Tobago, through and through, systemic, and we’re all fed up. Nobody wants crime, in any country. Although with the same energy, we all have to put up with crime. In any country. It’s all over the world, here and there, through and through.

Remember Columbine or Sandy Hook or Umpqua Community College, where eight students and one teacher were killed? Not even kids are safe in the big, wide pond.

Here at home, boys go to jail because nothing fits. Abusive parents, abusive friends, abusive relationships, and there is no way to quell the rage.

We’re not perfect. This nation doesn’t breed effective leadership or an educated citizenry. Perhaps the country is an imperfect solution to the impossible question: where is perfect?

So, ask yourself: why am I leaving? Is it that I’m fed up with the environment, or am I fed up of Trinidad and Tobago? Is it my colleagues, friends or the crime at the local watering hole? If it is, then you must stay. One is a product of their home, not their environment.

How then do those of us who choose to stay reconcile this notion of Trinidad and Tobago and our environment? Find yourself in St James on a Tuesday night at 9.30 or 10 o’clock at Ms Kani’s for a beef roti. You’re safe; with your mouth watering, nothing comes close.

Then you see your primary school mate. You talk and cajole, and wish each other all the best on the corner. Take a sip of your red Solo from the bar, your home, you start to believe.

You get this at every juncture here; it’s a nation of mixed nuts. Like the first song to play Jouvert morning, or the smell of salt on your skin after a sea bath, learn about this place. We’re dripping in diversity.

Moreover now, the capital looks exactly like what you’d expect of a Caribbean metropolis. Dank and dumpy, and not without its fair share of intrigue. You may come to find that this environment is one piece of the puzzle.

The other is the faith that Trinidad and Tobago, home, transcends its environment. How could you leave that? Some do. So we speak of them loudly with love in our hearts; hopefully they can hear.

I hope, too, the next time that song comes on the radio they will hear us sing it for them, “Is here weh conceive meh, is here ah go dead.”

Damon Agostini

Glencoe

https://trinidadexpress.com/opinion/letters/i-choose-to-live-in-trinidad/article_9c000bb0-7b73-11ee-bfc6-776db7ea8784.html

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby wing » November 9th, 2023, 6:21 am

Dohplaydat wrote:
triniterribletim wrote:
Dohplaydat wrote:
triniterribletim wrote:
AlphaMan wrote:USA and UK ain't no cheap place to migrate too at the moment.


Then just don't migrate to the US or UK or Canada? Uncle Joe and Uncle Justin and Uncle Charles have a monopoly on receiving Trinidadian migrants? Plenty places where it's possible to have a better quality of life at a cheaper cost than in Trinidad.


Where then? Aside from the EU, Australia and NZ, keep in mind the language barrier and cultural familiarity.


Brazil. The only real obstacle is the language barrier, apart from that, the culture is similar enough that a Trinidadian won't have any issue adapting whatsoever. Cheap CoL, far better infrastructure than Trinidad, cheap real estate, easier access to the international community and infinite things to see and do. Stability and access to insulation from inflationary pressures caused by major supply chain shock because they haven't offshored everything and need to rely on JIT imports is a helluva buffer to have.


Brazil sounds great, but trinis are not going to line to go there. Life is Brazil is not significantly better than living in Trinidad.
A man now telling a man who actually living in Brazil that life isn't better, even after the Brazil resident explained how much better it is.... First World biases I suppose.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby triniterribletim » November 9th, 2023, 6:36 am

Dohplaydat wrote:
triniterribletim wrote:
Dohplaydat wrote:
triniterribletim wrote:
AlphaMan wrote:USA and UK ain't no cheap place to migrate too at the moment.


Then just don't migrate to the US or UK or Canada? Uncle Joe and Uncle Justin and Uncle Charles have a monopoly on receiving Trinidadian migrants? Plenty places where it's possible to have a better quality of life at a cheaper cost than in Trinidad.


Where then? Aside from the EU, Australia and NZ, keep in mind the language barrier and cultural familiarity.


Brazil. The only real obstacle is the language barrier, apart from that, the culture is similar enough that a Trinidadian won't have any issue adapting whatsoever. Cheap CoL, far better infrastructure than Trinidad, cheap real estate, easier access to the international community and infinite things to see and do. Stability and access to insulation from inflationary pressures caused by major supply chain shock because they haven't offshored everything and need to rely on JIT imports is a helluva buffer to have.


Brazil sounds great, but trinis are not going to line to go there. Life is Brazil is not significantly better than living in Trinidad.


Because most Trinis are too short sighted to see that living in a shared basement apartment in Richmond Hill, clinging to the overpriced facsimiles of Trini culture, working for DoorDash/UberEATS and being able to take pictures of yourself in Times Square with a bottle of some ghetto fabulous liquor brand for the people back home doesn't count as having made it. What does count as having made it though is building the sort of generational wealth that allows you to set up your kids for success. Once upon a time, that was easy in both the US and Canada, one could have a reasonable expectation of becoming a homeowner and accumulating at least a modest sum to ensure a comfortable retirement. That has changed drastically, not even natives expect to be homeowners realistically. Housing in in-demand areas for even properties in need of dire renovations are already out of the range of people that would be considered qualified professionals. Inflation has whittled down the expected value of the return on migration, the exception being if one is determined to just work there and be a remittance machine and eventually retire to Trinidad, which seems rather self defeating in the end. Wasn't the dream for most people to have a main residence, a beach house and a new car? To be able to eat out multiple times per week, to be unburdened by house chores and pay someone to get that done, to visit a new place every quarter. People accepting a lifestyle that's not a marked improvement in every metric for the sake of the appearance of having "made it" and are killing themselves to just barely pay rent and buy food and gas in a hostile environment are just whistling past the graveyard as a lifestyle.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby Dohplaydat » November 9th, 2023, 7:15 am

triniterribletim wrote:
Dohplaydat wrote:
triniterribletim wrote:
Dohplaydat wrote:
triniterribletim wrote:
AlphaMan wrote:USA and UK ain't no cheap place to migrate too at the moment.


Then just don't migrate to the US or UK or Canada? Uncle Joe and Uncle Justin and Uncle Charles have a monopoly on receiving Trinidadian migrants? Plenty places where it's possible to have a better quality of life at a cheaper cost than in Trinidad.


Where then? Aside from the EU, Australia and NZ, keep in mind the language barrier and cultural familiarity.


Brazil. The only real obstacle is the language barrier, apart from that, the culture is similar enough that a Trinidadian won't have any issue adapting whatsoever. Cheap CoL, far better infrastructure than Trinidad, cheap real estate, easier access to the international community and infinite things to see and do. Stability and access to insulation from inflationary pressures caused by major supply chain shock because they haven't offshored everything and need to rely on JIT imports is a helluva buffer to have.


Brazil sounds great, but trinis are not going to line to go there. Life is Brazil is not significantly better than living in Trinidad.


Because most Trinis are too short sighted to see that living in a shared basement apartment in Richmond Hill, clinging to the overpriced facsimiles of Trini culture, working for DoorDash/UberEATS and being able to take pictures of yourself in Times Square with a bottle of some ghetto fabulous liquor brand for the people back home doesn't count as having made it. What does count as having made it though is building the sort of generational wealth that allows you to set up your kids for success. Once upon a time, that was easy in both the US and Canada, one could have a reasonable expectation of becoming a homeowner and accumulating at least a modest sum to ensure a comfortable retirement. That has changed drastically, not even natives expect to be homeowners realistically. Housing in in-demand areas for even properties in need of dire renovations are already out of the range of people that would be considered qualified professionals. Inflation has whittled down the expected value of the return on migration, the exception being if one is determined to just work there and be a remittance machine and eventually retire to Trinidad, which seems rather self defeating in the end. Wasn't the dream for most people to have a main residence, a beach house and a new car? To be able to eat out multiple times per week, to be unburdened by house chores and pay someone to get that done, to visit a new place every quarter. People accepting a lifestyle that's not a marked improvement in every metric for the sake of the appearance of having "made it" and are killing themselves to just barely pay rent and buy food and gas in a hostile environment are just whistling past the graveyard as a lifestyle.


I don't disagree, in fact I love your mindset. It reminds of this girl I dated from the Philippines when I was in the UK a few years back.

I think the west, particularly Canada is overrated right now. I'd still rate the US, UK and most of the EU as quite desirable, but it's hard to feel at home in a foreign place. That's something you can't discount and take for granted. Which is why me, who left when I was in my late 20s struggled a bit in the UK for years. Despite having made many good friends and dating a lot.

I came back for a government wuk when PP was in power. Since then, I've worked remotely and now might be considering a full move back to the UK as life is quite good here if you're making over £100k. But that ain't easy, it takes a lot of experience and selling yourself for that. The US that's an average salary though, but quality of life in the UK is definitely nice.

But back to your point, there's mostly two types of migrants in most places, professionals and hustlers. Professional educated trinis often make it big and move up fast in corporate America and UK.

The strugglers and hustlers often don't..many are as you describe.


however, I've seen many great examples of poor indian families here who hustle multiple jobs and save and invest and educate their kids. The families are still quite toxic lol but they're rich. Communities like Southall in London were known to a bit a poor mini India shithole, went there recently for some dosa and it's definitely one of the richest neighbourhoods I've seen in London.

Attitude and having a realistic outlook and plan is very important.

We all know so many trinis who have am unrealistic expectation of life in the US. Watching TV shows gives you a really bad idea of how hard you often have to work in the US, particularly if you're not educated.

Brazil sounds good, I think Mexico is potentially another great option too but I think everyone has been waiting for Mexico to get their act together, that country has so much potential.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby zoom rader » November 9th, 2023, 7:36 am

wing wrote:
Dohplaydat wrote:
triniterribletim wrote:
Dohplaydat wrote:
triniterribletim wrote:
AlphaMan wrote:USA and UK ain't no cheap place to migrate too at the moment.


Then just don't migrate to the US or UK or Canada? Uncle Joe and Uncle Justin and Uncle Charles have a monopoly on receiving Trinidadian migrants? Plenty places where it's possible to have a better quality of life at a cheaper cost than in Trinidad.


Where then? Aside from the EU, Australia and NZ, keep in mind the language barrier and cultural familiarity.


Brazil. The only real obstacle is the language barrier, apart from that, the culture is similar enough that a Trinidadian won't have any issue adapting whatsoever. Cheap CoL, far better infrastructure than Trinidad, cheap real estate, easier access to the international community and infinite things to see and do. Stability and access to insulation from inflationary pressures caused by major supply chain shock because they haven't offshored everything and need to rely on JIT imports is a helluva buffer to have.


Brazil sounds great, but trinis are not going to line to go there. Life is Brazil is not significantly better than living in Trinidad.
A man now telling a man who actually living in Brazil that life isn't better, even after the Brazil resident explained how much better it is.... First World biases I suppose.
If u have no education or skills, then off course life will not be better. This has always been the case as u will have to take low-end jobs if available or hussle. This is in all countries, poor or rich.

There are trinis in less fortunate countries that are doing well as expats. Eg Jamaica, Barbados, Colombia. During my travels I have met Trinis, both uneducated and educated, and it was always the uneducated that complained.

When u move to an undeveloped country as an uneducated sole, u will find life hard for you.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby Wolfgang123 » November 20th, 2023, 11:50 am

Tuners im in the process of migrating to the US.
I would appreciate your opinions in regards to liquidating assets.
I'm fortunate to own multiple income producing property,
would it be best to sell everything and use the cash to purchase property abroad such as mutil family units?
Or is it better to slowly sell assets because it's such a drastic change and a entirely different environment that such a move would not be wise?

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby Dohplaydat » November 20th, 2023, 12:18 pm

Wolfgang123 wrote:Tuners im in the process of migrating to the US.
I would appreciate your opinions in regards to liquidating assets.
I'm fortunate to own multiple income producing property,
would it be best to sell everything and use the cash to purchase property abroad such as mutil family units?
Or is it better to slowly sell assets because it's such a drastic change and a entirely different environment that such a move would not be wise?


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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby pugboy » November 20th, 2023, 12:33 pm

get plenty bank and credit cards if yuh hope to convert

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby triniterribletim » November 20th, 2023, 12:51 pm

Wolfgang123 wrote:Tuners im in the process of migrating to the US.
I would appreciate your opinions in regards to liquidating assets.
I'm fortunate to own multiple income producing property,
would it be best to sell everything and use the cash to purchase property abroad such as mutil family units?
Or is it better to slowly sell assets because it's such a drastic change and a entirely different environment that such a move would not be wise?


Multiple credit cards and I hope you have a godfather working in the bank. Other than that, getting your money out is harder than the 12 tasks of Hercules.

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