COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago (Local Updates & Discussions Only)

[sMASH]

Even with the skewed cases and deaths due to low testing, our numbers are not that good for how hard the measures was, when they did decide to lock down.

Gortt didn't manage it well, they managed the numbers well.
The praise they got from the Oxford study that they propagated to look well, wasnt about how good they manged it. It was saying that they were most ready to reopen because of the strict measures. Hat wasn't prsise from Oxford, it was tongue in cheek criticism about how over kill the measure were, thst Oxford said in another release the following week.
But we didn't reopen, we kept dragging on a very slow reopening with no numbers to justify it.

And reopened just in time to campaign for elections. And as soon as election week reach the numbers climbed.
And then went into some mildly restrictive measures when compared to what went on previously.


Lefff foot, rittte foot.

[Habit7]

Well they are testing at 3 times our rate. Their borders have been open 6 months plus, yet our death rate is 10 times higher and cases per million is 4.5 times higher. And don't tell me their population small and it's spaced out, it is small but not like nearly half the island living in around St George's.

It is amazing that you so trust Grenada. I once heard somebody say:

"The data shared is an already produced bar chart, we don't know how that data was collected, aggregated and processed. Make the original source available online like many other countries. Lying with statistics is a thing dofus."

But I guess that is only relevant to the narrative you want to push. You need to be consistent across the board.

Yes Grenada opened its border but hardly anybody coming in.

"Records from the Grenada Tourism Authority (GTA) show that for the year 2020, there were 60,513 arrivals and 65,823 departures at the Maurice Bishop International Airport (MBIA). “Most of the arrival passengers were returning nationals who had to be quarantined before mingling with the citizens,” said Friday."

"Grenada recorded an increase in visitors during the first 6 months of 2019 when compared to 2018. Total visitor arrivals in 2018 were 528,077 in 2018. The first half of 2019 welcomed 318,559 visitors between January to June 2019, compared to 314,916 for the same period in 2018."
https://www.nowgrenada.com/2021/03/only ... ia-in-2020

[Dohplaydat]

Well they are testing at 3 times our rate. Their borders have been open 6 months plus, yet our death rate is 10 times higher and cases per million is 4.5 times higher. And don't tell me their population small and it's spaced out, it is small but not like nearly half the island living in around St George's.

It is amazing that you so trust Grenada. I once heard somebody say:

"The data shared is an already produced bar chart, we don't know how that data was collected, aggregated and processed. Make the original source available online like many other countries. Lying with statistics is a thing dofus."

But I guess that is only relevant to the narrative you want to push. You need to be consistent across the board.

Yes Grenada opened its border but hardly anybody coming in.

"Records from the Grenada Tourism Authority (GTA) show that for the year 2020, there were 60,513 arrivals and 65,823 departures at the Maurice Bishop International Airport (MBIA). “Most of the arrival passengers were returning nationals who had to be quarantined before mingling with the citizens,” said Friday."

"Grenada recorded an increase in visitors during the first 6 months of 2019 when compared to 2018. Total visitor arrivals in 2018 were 528,077 in 2018. The first half of 2019 welcomed 318,559 visitors between January to June 2019, compared to 314,916 for the same period in 2018."
https://www.nowgrenada.com/2021/03/only ... ia-in-2020

Habit7 my dear friend, then why keep our citizens locked out? So roughly 50k citizens returned (probably multiple times given their nice free open borders, since I don't think Greneda had 50k people trapped outside) and their covid cases barely had a dent.

Remember it's a soverign RIGHT of a citizen to return to their country.

But I see you support our leaders in taking us down the road of N. Korea, Iran, Venezeula, China and Russia. Violate human rights, keep their supporters dependent and stupid, and show absolute disdain for our freedoms.

Also, i think you clearly misunderstand what open data is, it's not showing a blurry bargraph on TV with a month missing.

[adnj]

Right now in Jamaica, there are ppl laughing at T&T because they have higher testing that us.

All while tourist arrivals down by 65-80%, they have half the hospital beds per capita to us, healthcare is not free, they have 15,000 active cases and they have less than 100K vaccine doses, enough to vaccine 50K of their 2.7M population.

But at least they test more because as we all know, testing is a more important metric than active cases.

Jamaica has total deaths per million due to Covid that is four times the TTO deaths per million.

Deaths per capita is also a poor a metric to judge Covid performance. There are many inconsistencies in how deaths are counted. Suspected Covid deaths without a positive Covid test are ruled not Covid in come countries, while others count it.

While Jamaica is definitely higher than us, it's not quite 4 times, a lot of data normalisation needs to be done before comparing these stats directly.

A more realistic figure would be to use excess deaths during this period. But alas our CSO is years behind in accurate data so we'll likely never know.

I was specifically referring to the projected figures. Increases in Trinidad deaths and a new wave of deaths and infections in Jamaica. Jamaica does not have a significant illegal border entry problem, either.

[Dohplaydat]

Right now in Jamaica, there are ppl laughing at T&T because they have higher testing that us.

All while tourist arrivals down by 65-80%, they have half the hospital beds per capita to us, healthcare is not free, they have 15,000 active cases and they have less than 100K vaccine doses, enough to vaccine 50K of their 2.7M population.

But at least they test more because as we all know, testing is a more important metric than active cases.

Jamaica has total deaths per million due to Covid that is four times the TTO deaths per million.

Deaths per capita is also a poor a metric to judge Covid performance. There are many inconsistencies in how deaths are counted. Suspected Covid deaths without a positive Covid test are ruled not Covid in come countries, while others count it.

While Jamaica is definitely higher than us, it's not quite 4 times, a lot of data normalisation needs to be done before comparing these stats directly.

A more realistic figure would be to use excess deaths during this period. But alas our CSO is years behind in accurate data so we'll likely never know.

I was specifically referring to the projected figures. Increases in Trinidad deaths and a new wave of deaths and infections in Jamaica. Jamaica does not have a significant illegal border entry problem, either.Capture+_2021-03-18-22-15-04~2.jpg

Cool fair enough, things in Jam have definitely took a turn for the worse.

[pugboy]

like they pressing the panic button on the number of cases in caroni

now head they testing primary contacts
regardless of symptoms or not
something they never did before

[paid_influencer]

like they pressing the panic button on the number of cases in caroni

now head they testing primary contacts
regardless of symptoms or not
something they never did before

the mutated strains have them scared

[redmanjp]

like they pressing the panic button on the number of cases in caroni

now head they testing primary contacts
regardless of symptoms or not
something they never did before

They did it before just that they apparently stopped for a while


Bar owners- there's a simple solution to discouraging liming outside the bar - don't open the bottles - let ppl go home or somewhere and open it

https://newsday.co.tt/2021/03/20/church-bars-police-soldiers-push-covid19-surge-in-caroni/

Church, bars, police, soldiers push covid19 surge in Caroni
JANELLE DE SOUZA 22 HRS AGO

Limers drink outside Brooklyn Bar, Woodbrook on Friday. Caroni's county medical officer Dr Jeanine St Bernard said a covid19 case led to 15 people in counties outside Caroni, including St George West. Photo by Roger Jacob -
County Medical Officer of Health for County Caroni Dr Jeanine St Bernard said church service, bars, and the protective services have contributed to a surge in covid19 cases in her county.

During the Ministry of Health’s virtual press conference, on Saturday, she said Caroni had 60 cases which led to 900 primary, secondary and tertiary contacts being quarantined.

She related that one person felt ill so went to a medical facility to be tested for covid19, and then went to a church service outside of Caroni. That person’s actions resulted in 15 people contracting covid19 in various counties including Caroni, St George East, and St George West.

St Bernard also expressed concerning about people gathering in the street outside of bars with some of them not wearing masks, while others gathered close together.

“A mask is not a substitute for social distancing so it’s not that if I have on the mask I could gather and be a lot closer to people.”

She said one case resulted in four positive primary contacts, and two positive secondary contacts, with all the people in some households being infected.

She met with the president of the Barkeepers and Operators Association last week to collaborate on the “disturbing trend” in order to reduce the number of cases from that source. And she said she appreciated the level of support of the covid19 protocols and encouraged bar operators to discourage people from gathering around their bars.

“I came away from that meeting very hopeful. I truly appreciated the level of keen interest and support shown at this meeting.”

In Parliament on Friday afternoon, National Security Minister Stuart Young, said three police officers in the Central Division tested positive, which led to 87 officers in quarantine, as well as other police staff members, bring the number of Central Division staff in quarantine to 128.

St Bernard also talked about one police station and an army camp.

She said there were initially 41 primary contacts, 154 secondary contacts, and 51 tertiary contacts, and, from the station, there were six more cases – three primary and three secondary contacts.

“And some of these contacts will not just be household persons but would be officers themselves. And these officers, of course, in having to quarantine these persons, we have not actively reduced our active police population because these officers will now have to be home in quarantine.”

In addition, she said the Health Ministry was in the process of creating a plan for exam students who are covid19 contacts but do not necessarily have the virus.

CSEC and CAPE exams were scheduled to begin in June and there was concern about students missing both their classes and final exams because they have covid19 or are quarantined as a contact.

She is thankful only one student in forms four to six classes is a contact of a positive case and is therefore in quarantine.

She also noted that a few people in some households were declining to be swabbed for the covid19 PCR test, even as they were quarantined for being a contact.

“The disadvantage of not swabbing when you are a primary or secondary contact of a case is that we then miss the fact that you may be positive and therefore we can not contact trace and identify persons who may have been exposed to you, who then need to be quarantined so that they will not then go on to pass on the virus.”

[pugboy]

It not hard to open a bottle on your own, gg need to enforce the crowd numbers

What is it presently 20 persons in a group or something like that ?

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Jamaica under new lockdown measures due to the continued high daily infection rate

Jamaica recorded 673 new cases in the last 24 hours. Total deaths in all since the start of COVID-19= 533
Cabinet Met on March 20, 2021 for over 7 hours and the following was decided:

1. From Tuesday March 23 to Friday March 26, the nightly curfew will remain at 8pm to 5am the following morning ending Saturday March 27, 2021 at 5am
2. On Friday March 26, 2021 all work places are to close at Noon except essential services like supermarkets, pharmacy.
3. Starting Midday (Noon) On Saturday March 27 and the entire day on Sunday March 28, 2021 there will be a weekend curfew ending Monday March 29, 2021 at 5am.
4. From Monday March 29, to Wednesday March 31, the curfew will begin at 8pm ending 5am the following morning.
5. On Holy Thursday - April 1, 2021 - Work places will be required to close at Noon except essentials such as Medical, supermarkets, restaurants etc.
6. On Friday April 2, 2021 - the curfew starting from Thursday night at 8pm will continue on the entire day on Good Friday and will end 5am on Saturday April 3, 2021.
7. On Saturday April 3, 2021 - the curfew will begin at Noon and continue the entire Easter Sunday and Monday and end at 5am on Tuesday April 6, 2021.
8. The usual Curfew will continue thereafter from 8pm to 5am.
9. On Saturday April 10, the curfew will begin at Noon and continue through the rest of Saturday and the entire day Sunday ending Monday April 12, at 5am. On Friday April 9, all work places to end work at Noon.
10. Vaccine Programme to continue throughout lockdown
11. Essential Persons must ensure they have their ID to move on no movement days and movement should only be in relation to their job. It is not a wholesale moment allowance.
12. Order re 3 day negative COVID-19 test before travel is extended to June 2021and the 14 day quarantine is still expected.
13. Existing Band on direct flights from UK extended to April 13, 2021.
14. The age limit for the stay at home measure remains at 60 years until April 13, 2021.
15. Work place Clusters are increasing becoming a Problem for WFH in Public Sector continues to April 13, 2021. For the Private Sector, employers are encouraged to allow employees to WFH.
16. Employers are not to require employees who have COVID-19 symptoms to report to work.
17. Gathering limit remains at 10 persons until April 13 2021.
18. Public Sector is reminded, no events.
19. Markets will open at 6 am and will close at 7pm and will continue opening one hour before and one hour after curfew. Markets will remain closed on Public Holidays and Weekends until April 13, 2021.
20. Public Transportation is allowed to be on the road one hour before curfew and one hour after but no passengers are allowed. Also PPV TO HAVE ONE LESS PASSENGER as licensed.
21. Schools - No in person for Primary and Secondary, effectively all schools are closed. Also to include exams.
22. Funeral services will not be allowed during this period ending April 13, 2021.
23. Burials Will be allowed Monday to Friday from 9 am to 4pm, only 10 mourners and 5 members being clergy and grave workers and Burial is not to be longer than 30 minutes and no Burial on Public holiday or on weekends. This is starting Wednesday March 24, 2021 to April 13, 2021.
24. Until April 13, 2021 services will be allowed at a maximum of 12 persons to facilitate electronic broadcast. Applications are to be made through police stations with the list of 12 persons to include the times of each service. During the no movement periods, the churches that have the capacity to broadcast the services, may do the recording or live services with the technical staff but this is after doing the application through the nearest police station.
25. Weddings- reduced from 25 to 15 persons to April 13, 2021.
26. Beaches and Rivers that are NOT under organized management will remain closed until April 13, 2021
27.  Zoos, Parks, Gyms, Attractions and Bars are subject to existing regulations and are to close within 2 hours before the curfew begins.
28. Amusements and Gaming Arcades not licensed under Betting Gaming Legislation must be closed from March 23, 2021 to April 13, 2021.
29. Indoor cinemas to remain closed from March 23 to April 13.
30. Ban on events continue to April 13, 2021.
31. AGM and Extraordinary Meetings of companies and societies are not be held from March 23 to April 13 unless the court has ordered virtual meetings and an application for extreme cases would have to be made for physical meetings.
32. The infection control measures such as Wear Masks and stay Phsically distant continues.
33. The Ecommerce National Delivery System (ENDS) will be able to operate until Midnight and will be launched as a pilot on March 26, 2021 starting in Portmore and will be all inclusive.

[shake d livin wake d dead]

Let's see if this is fake or real. I know who the said company belongs to. Terry is that you???

[redmanjp]

It not hard to open a bottle on your own, gg need to enforce the crowd numbers

What is it presently 20 persons in a group or something like that ?

it still sends a message that 'we not encouraging congregation'

the limit is still 10 as far as i know

but also any gathering in the precincts of a bar is also banned regardless of number- so being on d pavement is banned as well

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

It not hard to open a bottle on your own, gg need to enforce the crowd numbers

What is it presently 20 persons in a group or something like that ?

it still sends a message that 'we not encouraging congregation'

the limit is still 10 as far as i know

but also any gathering in the precincts of a bar is also banned regardless of number- so being on d pavement is banned as well

Sporting events are currently limited to 22 people.

Yesterday driving around there were many public playing fields with much more than 22 people and spectators looking on - not a mask in sight.

Constantine Park Macoya by the bus route was busy

[Dohplaydat]

It not hard to open a bottle on your own, gg need to enforce the crowd numbers

What is it presently 20 persons in a group or something like that ?

it still sends a message that 'we not encouraging congregation'

the limit is still 10 as far as i know

but also any gathering in the precincts of a bar is also banned regardless of number- so being on d pavement is banned as well

Sporting events are currently limited to 22 people.

Yesterday driving around there were many public playing fields with much more than 22 people and spectators looking on - not a mask in sight.

Constantine Park Macoya by the bus route was busy

Duane is right, I live next to a Savannah and literally everyday hundreds are breaking these Covid guidelines for months now. And police vehicles are passing on this route maybe every 30 mins or less.

[pugboy]

ttps as usual does run hot at start and cold after

[De Dragon]

like they pressing the panic button on the number of cases in caroni

now head they testing primary contacts
regardless of symptoms or not
something they never did before

Gotta keep up the appearances man , seeing as vaccines we'll get are not close to anywhere near the numbers we'll need.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

T&T on verge of a significant COVID-19 case increase

The warning comes after an upsurge in cases were recorded in county Caroni over the past two weeks. This, he said, has led to an 89 per cent increase in COVID-19 cases and is cause for concern.

Contact tracing exercises revealed the most common culprits of transmission were non-adherence to COVID-19 guidelines and gathering at functions, parties and at the workplace.

https://www.cnc3.co.tt/tt-on-verge-of-a ... -increase/

[jhonnieblue]

I surprised we dont have more spread. Every preventative measure is being flouted

[Dohplaydat]

I surprised we dont have more spread. Every preventative measure is being flouted

Bingo, it should have been much worse given how trinis (even myself over the last 2 months) have been behaving (though I 99% likely had it in Sept as my neighbor tested positive and I got a lil sick a week after she and her mom came over).

Science though gives us some answers:

1. Warm temps and higher hummidty levels aren't condusive to covid-19 spread. A study conducted by researchers in the University of Maryland in the US found a correlation between temperature, humidity and latitude, and the spread of Covid-19. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl ... 0~%2090%25.

2. Our higher vitamin D levels make covid more much less severe, which means many of us could have had it, but it was too mild to notice (remember 80% of cases are asymptomatic). A simple change from 80% asymptomatic to 90% asymptomatic would mean far less cases being detected. https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefr ... ovid-study

[redmanjp]

but it was way worse August last year

[Dohplaydat]

but it was way worse August last year

Our lowest mitigation factors were during June/July. In Aug/Sept/Oct we were doing damage control due to the election free for all.

We also were testing all primary/secondary contacts so a lot of mild and asymptomatics were cases were detected.

At this point right now, contact tracing is being done and being done well, but they aren't testing you if say your co-worker got sick. They probably still are testing the immediate family I assume.

As far as I know, they're telling you to isolate for 2 weeks and only come in for testing if you feel sick. Happened to my brother, my partner at PTSC, my friend in T&TEC as well.

The T&TEC one is interesting because it shows the difference in response.

In Aug, a person in the building tested positive for covid and the entire building got sent in for testing. Out of the 40 persons there, 6 tested positive and when they tested their families a few days later, a few more of them tested positive. So one positive turned into around 15.

One thing to note, the results for those persons in August were very very delayed, like almost 2 weeks after getting their samples taken.

However, around carnival time, a co-worker on her floor tested positive, this time, only their floor was told to WFM for 2 weeks and call the MoH contact if they felt sick. They were told they wouldn't be tested, but could go private for a test if they were so inclined.

So now 1 detected case, remains officially 1 detected case. Whereas in Aug/Sept it turned into 15.


I'm very curious as to what changed in their policy? Shakes or any other 2nrs in the know, what happened?

Were they being far more vigilent and proactive back then because they wanted to contain it? Whereas now they've realized they can operate in this fashion and get away?

[Chimera]

anyone went a public hospital recently?

as much as they can they sending you home to sort out yuhself or pay and go private

hospitals brokesssss and have very little medicine/consumables right now

one major hospital only have extra large gloves, no other size

[Devourment]

4 new cases today, but a family of 5 in Tunapuna that I know personally tested positive today (not private either)........how odd.

Let's see if they're reflected in tomorrow's figures.

[redmanjp]

but it was way worse August last year

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So now 1 detected case, remains officially 1 detected case. Whereas in Aug/Sept it turned into 15.

I'm very curious as to what changed in their policy? Shakes or any other 2nrs in the know, what happened?

Were they being far more vigilent and proactive back then because they wanted to contain it? Whereas now they've realized they can operate in this fashion and get away?

i guess so, they can keep the official nos down without having undetected cases cause more spread as long as they quarantine those undetected cases (secondary & tertiary contacts), although in caroni they said they testing asymptomatics who are primary contacts there. teh onyl thing is the secondary contacts could have caused some spread in areas where u don't know the contacts names e.g. public transport, outside d bar, etc. then u will get ppl showing up for tests who re sick but don't know who they got it from.

[killercow]

People submit to inoculation to avoid the risk of death yet still die due to complications arising out of said inoculation. That being said, how does the percentage death ratio from the virus square up against the percentage death ratio from vaccines administered thus far? Legit question here. If anyone has an idea of where I may be able to find the necessary stats, please feel free to let me know.

[adnj]

People submit to inoculation to avoid the risk of death yet still die due to complications arising out of said inoculation. That being said, how does the percentage death ratio from the virus square up against the percentage death ratio from vaccines administered thus far? Legit question here. If anyone has an idea of where I may be able to find the necessary stats, please feel free to let me know.

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Millions of people in the United States have received COVID-19 vaccines, and these vaccines will undergo the most intensive safety monitoring in U.S. history.

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Adverse events described on this page have been reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)external icon.

VAERS accepts reports of any adverse event following vaccination, even if it is not clear the vaccine caused the problem.

CDC, FDA, and other federal partners will continue to monitor the safety of the COVID-19 vaccines.

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Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare. If this occurs, vaccination providers can effectively and immediately treat the reaction.

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Reports of death to VAERS following vaccination do not necessarily mean the vaccine caused the death.

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To date, VAERS has not detected patterns in cause of death that would indicate a safety problem with COVID-19 vaccines.

CDC, FDA, and other federal partners will continue to monitor the safety of COVID-19 vaccines.

126 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through March 22, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 2,216 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records revealed no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths. CDC and FDA will continue to investigate reports of adverse events, including deaths, reported to VAERS.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... vents.html

[sMASH]

Once people keep a fair distance fro. Each other, they kinda space out, since is open air, I thi k that's good enough.
The jumble up and the indoors is the problem.


Some European country is running a test case for a concert.

That would actually be a lot more quantitative than hinds pulling figures out his Rowley and me just speculating here.

It not hard to open a bottle on your own, gg need to enforce the crowd numbers

What is it presently 20 persons in a group or something like that ?

it still sends a message that 'we not encouraging congregation'

the limit is still 10 as far as i know

but also any gathering in the precincts of a bar is also banned regardless of number- so being on d pavement is banned as well

Sporting events are currently limited to 22 people.

Yesterday driving around there were many public playing fields with much more than 22 people and spectators looking on - not a mask in sight.

Constantine Park Macoya by the bus route was busy

Duane is right, I live next to a Savannah and literally everyday hundreds are breaking these Covid guidelines for months now. And police vehicles are passing on this route maybe every 30 mins or less.

[Dohplaydat]

Once people keep a fair distance fro. Each other, they kinda space out, since is open air, I thi k that's good enough.
The jumble up and the indoors is the problem.


Some European country is running a test case for a concert.

That would actually be a lot more quantitative than hinds pulling figures out his Rowley and me just speculating here.

It not hard to open a bottle on your own, gg need to enforce the crowd numbers

What is it presently 20 persons in a group or something like that ?

it still sends a message that 'we not encouraging congregation'

the limit is still 10 as far as i know

but also any gathering in the precincts of a bar is also banned regardless of number- so being on d pavement is banned as well

Sporting events are currently limited to 22 people.

Yesterday driving around there were many public playing fields with much more than 22 people and spectators looking on - not a mask in sight.

Constantine Park Macoya by the bus route was busy

Duane is right, I live next to a Savannah and literally everyday hundreds are breaking these Covid guidelines for months now. And police vehicles are passing on this route maybe every 30 mins or less.

Yea I agree, it's entirely fine what they're doing most of the time. The problem I do see is that after a sweat all of them liming on the bench chook up, breathing hard and wearing chin diapers if anything.

Otherwise though, once you're outdoors it's generally fine.

[goalpost]

38 new positive cases reported today. Highest in a while not so?

[sMASH]