COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago (Local Updates & Discussions Only)

[zoom rader]

Yes, your graph contradicts you and show currently Barbados stricter than TT. Plus with higher vaccinations and stricter procedures, they still have higher cases and deaths per capita than us. And their economy suffering more. Unlike us, they are begging the private sector to help buy vaccines.

A guy I recently spoke to worked all his life in T&T most of his kids are there, yet he's stuck outside living with his sister despite applying dozens of times to come back home. He hasn't even met his first grandchild yet.

did he live outside before the borders closed?

He has never lived outside of Trini. He literally worked 30 years plus at a state owned company. However, he left after the borders were closed , in June last year for a medical procedure. He expected he'd be back in August or September latest.

What surprises me though is that he is well known former VP of a government state company. But he said he isn't going to use any back channels to get back in, he told me wants to try a the official channels and let them prioritize it.

He said he tried at least a dozen times since persons on the trinis stranded abroad Facebook group told him too.

Nada yet. And this guy is massively respected in the corporate world of T&T. He's a guy who wants to give back to Trinidad but is being kept out.

Nice, Rowlair daughter and she man comes and goes as they pleases.

Then the idiot P¤rnhabit 7 defended his master

[Habit7]

LOL, I sense the political bias rather than fact.

Barbados has done very well, right now we're roughly having the same number of daily cases per million as them, while they enjoyed tonnes more freedoms.

This is false.
We do not have roughly the same numbers. They have the worst cases per capita, worst deaths per capita and they currently have less freedom. than us.
You might not like what GORTT is doing but that doesn't mean you have to deny reality.

Actually no, his graph fully supports his argument....then you look back in time and realize that 90% of the time Trinidad was stricter.

You apparently cannot read a graph.

The graph clearly shows that our strictness was similar until Barbados released their restrictions too much and suffered a larger spike than we ever achieved. We relaxed and keep a similar momentum gradually relaxing opening up commerce and movement. Our spike was dealt with without a second lockdown while theirs needed a second lockdown which is currently crippling business.

I don't know how you could look at a graph showing Barbados being currently stricter and saying T&T is authoritarian. NZ has similar restrictions to us barring foreign travel only allowing citizens and residents to enter its borders based on the state's ability to quarantine. Yet you're praising them and condemning us? Your bias is making you contradict yourself too.

Barbados needs tourism, I understand they have no choice but to open borders. But countries like TT and NZ have other sectors to rely on and the risk of open borders hurting the economy is greater than fall out of some businesses while other businesses could be maintained under a closed border.

TT has already been praised by WHO, The Economist, former US ambassador (those are ones I remember off the top of my head) for how they managed covid-19. Nobody other than those within the circle of your bias are saying TT is authoritarian.

[Devourment]

Locking citizens out is authoritarian, you are denying people their fundamental rights here. Also, keeping the border closed like this is likely to result in more deaths than covid due to those who can't go away for medical treatment.

Again, this graph looks to be flying straight over your head. The AUC (area under the curve) represents lack of 'freedom'. From July to January 2021 Barbados was virtually open, back to normal in most ways, while we were not. In a week or two, their PM will once again go back to less restrictive measures than us. In summary, it shows that Barbados managed this better.

The deaths per million are 139, ours are just over 100 and likely to rise given that we have 11 seriously ill patients right now.

[redmanjp]

Locking citizens out is authoritarian, you are denying people their fundamental rights here. Also, keeping the border closed like this is likely to result in more deaths than covid due to those who can't go away for medical treatment.

Again, this graph looks to be flying straight over your head. The AUC (area under the curve) represents lack of 'freedom'. From July to January 2021 Barbados was virtually open, back to normal in most ways, while we were not. In a week or two, their PM will once again go back to less restrictive measures than us. In summary, it shows that Barbados managed this better.

The deaths per million are 139, ours are just over 100 and likely to rise given that we have 11 seriously ill patients right now.

an example of someone who literally did that was posted by Dohplaydat- u can leave, it's just takes a while to come back

[j.o.e]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56493002

A £5,000 fine for anyone in England trying to travel abroad without good reason is due to come into force next week as part of new coronavirus laws.

The penalty is included in legislation that will be voted on by MPs on Thursday.

Foreign holidays are currently not allowed under the "stay at home" rule which ends on Monday.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson said it was "too early" to set out new foreign travel rules for the summer.

Mr Johnson told a Downing Street news conference he hoped for more information by 5 April.

He said: "A lot of people do want to know about what's going to happen on the holiday front and I know there's a great deal of curiosity and interest."

From next week the ban on leaving the UK will become a specific law, backed up by the threat of a fine.

Under the current plan for easing restrictions, the earliest date people in England could go abroad for a holiday would be 17 May.



Fellas ease off the debates nah. We not in normal times and all over the world doing extreme things to keep the virus at bay. We could debate about what should/could/might be done but the fact is we dodged some major bullets with the policies so far and as much as some industries suffering life is fairly normal. Posted the above article that UK fining you for vacationing, telling you you can’t leave. That is extreme too but what’s the other option ? More variants and hospitalizations?

[redmanjp]

that's the first law aimed at protecting OTHER countries i've seen

[Habit7]

Hence my post which precipitated all of this.

It is easy for anybody to be an armchair expert and advocate for something. Only when you are in the seat of responsibility you truly understand the weight of decisions either way. So to advocate for open borders, home quarantine, open bars and whatever else cavalierly, but when the negative aspects come and you are nowhere near to take responsibility, that is what the consequences of leadership are about.

[redmanjp]

^yeah. we don't want the per capita equivalent of the US half a million deaths (which would be a few thousand.)

[Devourment]

Why can't citizens return if they quarantine? Simple question, you are jumping at all sorts of reasons to defend, meanwhile, two Americans moved into an apartment near me saying they're here for 'tourism'.

We have so many underutilized facilities and hotels, we can extend the period to 14 days. We could have brought back all citizens by now, and allow citizens to freely go away and return once they quarantine at state-supervised facilities.

Honestly, there is no counterargument to that.

And who in their right mind would leave for treatment if they don't know when they can return. My aunt is in such a position and the longer she delays her eye surgery the more likely she'll go blind.

She isn't rich either nor dose she have family in the US or Canada who would take her in till she gets an exemption. I'm being serious and frank here, this is NOT a workable system and will quite likely lead to more deaths than covid-19.

If deaths per million are the fairest comparison, we are not doing the best in the Caribbean, we're doing just a bit better than average. but the differences aren't significant.



I'd love to be entertained by your Habit7, when do you think we can open the border and allow our fellow citizens to return without exceptions?

[adnj]

Why can't citizens return if they quarantine? Simple question, you are jumping at all sorts of reasons to defend, meanwhile, two Americans moved into an apartment near me saying they're here for 'tourism'.

We have so many underutilized facilities and hotels, we can extend the period to 14 days. We could have brought back all citizens by now, and allow citizens to freely go away and return once they quarantine at state-supervised facilities.

Honestly, there is no counterargument to that.

And who in their right mind would leave for treatment if they don't know when they can return. My aunt is in such a position and the longer she delays her eye surgery the more likely she'll go blind.

She isn't rich either nor dose she have family in the US or Canada who would take her in till she gets an exemption. I'm being serious and frank here, this is NOT a workable system and will quite likely lead to more deaths than covid-19.

If deaths per million are the fairest comparison, we are not doing the best in the Caribbean, we're doing just a bit better than average. but the differences aren't significant.



I'd love to be entertained by your Habit7, when do you think we can open the border and allow our fellow citizens to return without exceptions?

Apply at will.

https://services.mns.gov.tt/travelexemption

[Habit7]

Sorry I don't deal with argument by anecdote. In the same way you can trot out sad stories for your point, others can trot out for theirs.

Last year around this very time Kamla rushed to announce out first covid-19 death and used it as a soapbox for everything to shut down and that the govt is mismanaging the pandemic. We locked down and had 80 days of no local transmission, but it nearly killed the economy. Now we open back up and have much more freedoms than last year and here is your anecdote.

And if the govt opens the borders and the hospitals are overrun like Jamaica, you might say you have another aunt who can't get medical care and the govt wicked and bad for opening the borders.

Maestro

[Devourment]

Sorry I don't deal with argument by anecdote. In the same way you can trot out sad stories for your point, others can trot out for theirs.

Last year around this very time Kamla rushed to announce out first covid-19 death and used it as a soapbox for everything to shut down and that the govt is mismanaging the pandemic. We locked down and had 80 days of no local transmission, but it nearly killed the economy. Now we open back up and have much more freedoms than last year and here is your anecdote.

And if the govt opens the borders and the hospitals are overrun like Jamaica, you might say you have another aunt who can't get medical care and the govt wicked and bad for opening the borders.

Maestro

Who cares about Kamla? Why would I given give her the time of day? The point is wrong is wrong. Your point is easy to argue, I and many others are simply asking what is the criteria for opening the borders to citizens?

adnj,

Maybe you're a bit dimwitted, but the issue is not leaving, the issue is returning. How can you expect anyone to leave for medical issues when they have no idea when they can return?

[adnj]

Sorry I don't deal with argument by anecdote. In the same way you can trot out sad stories for your point, others can trot out for theirs.

Last year around this very time Kamla rushed to announce out first covid-19 death and used it as a soapbox for everything to shut down and that the govt is mismanaging the pandemic. We locked down and had 80 days of no local transmission, but it nearly killed the economy. Now we open back up and have much more freedoms than last year and here is your anecdote.

And if the govt opens the borders and the hospitals are overrun like Jamaica, you might say you have another aunt who can't get medical care and the govt wicked and bad for opening the borders.

Maestro

Who cares about Kamla? Why would I given give her the time of day? The point is wrong is wrong. Your point is easy to argue, I and many others are simply asking what is the criteria for opening the borders to citizens?

adnj,

Maybe you're a bit dimwitted, but the issue is not leaving, the issue is returning. How can you expect anyone to leave for medical issues when they have no idea when they can return?

Apply at will.

https://services.mns.gov.tt/travelexemption

It's free if you swallow.

[sMASH]

habbit like to gaslight. half truths and inuendos

barbados had less retrictions than trinidad up until the spike they got for christmas. we too here saw a spike. thats when barbados hit their 'national pause' of more restrictions until they get the numbers go down.


trinidad borders need to remain closed for foreign people, but this pnm letting people come and go according to thier personal preference.

borders need to be open for citizens, seeing as people can still home quarantine, there is no reason why returning trinis cant home quarantine as well. when the 14 days up, u double consequtive test negative and ur free to move about. forcing citizens to go to a hotel for no real treatment is oppressive.

[paid_influencer]

I will make a distinction here...

It have one group of us that want to keep borders closed but with more transparency and accountability in the exemption system. This group legitimately wants recourse for people that have been waiting months to come back home.

And there is apparently another group that wants to be able to come and go as they please, as if the world is not in the middle of a pandemic. I hope Keith lights up that group tomorrow. Let the wajang come out hard on them duncy heads.

[redmanjp]

the home quarantine is for low risk countries, not high risk, and now highest risk (variants) countries unless u either have 24/7 security at all homes (not practicable) or GPS bracelets tracking their movements the moment they leave, but then the entire household would need them as well.

[redmanjp]

deaths by age and gender. as of Feb. 8th 2021. if anyone didn't already know, men 3 times more likely to die than women

32 men & 10 women between the ages of 15-60 died



more info https://health.gov.tt/information-on-covid-19-related-deaths-in-trinidad-and-tobago

[Dohplaydat]

I will make a distinction here...

It have one group of us that want to keep borders closed but with more transparency and accountability in the exemption system. This group legitimately wants recourse for people that have been waiting months to come back home.

And there is apparently another group that wants to be able to come and go as they please, as if the world is not in the middle of a pandemic. I hope Keith lights up that group tomorrow. Let the wajang come out hard on them duncy heads.

I haven't seen anyone advocating for that. I was advocating that Trinis should be allowed to leave and come back with a 14-day state-supervised quarantine, that's not free.. Free state quarantines will be available but only to those who have been stuck abroad (and if available), not the ones who wish to leave and return now.

This will effectively limit traveling to essential travel only. It runs little risk since a 14 state-supervised quarantine will be 99% effective if not more.

But the added bonus of allowing Trinis stuck/stranded abroad to come home without all this uncertainty.

Devourment asked a good question though, what are the criteria for allowing this to happen?

We not getting 50% of our population vaccinated till end of the year, so can we expect another 9 months of not having a working border?

Also, Habit7, why do you not acknowledge there have been people stuck outside awaiting exemptions for almost a year now?

[Dohplaydat]

deaths by age and gender. as of Feb. 8th 2021. if anyone didn't already know, men 3 times more likely to die than women

32 men & 10 women between the ages of 15-60 died



more info https://health.gov.tt/information-on-covid-19-related-deaths-in-trinidad-and-tobago

Finally some updated data, I do find it worrying that almost 1/3 of our deaths were persons under 60.

[paid_influencer]

Also, Habit7, why do you not acknowledge there have been people stuck outside awaiting exemptions for almost a year now?

you know as well as I do that the porn habit is a party hack and will not engage in genuine discussion.

[sMASH]

normal flu kills people too. whayuhgohdo

[Dohplaydat]

normal flu kills people too. whayuhgohdo

lockborders, we cyah have that come down here.

[zoom rader]

Also, Habit7, why do you not acknowledge there have been people stuck outside awaiting exemptions for almost a year now?

you know as well as I do that the porn habit is a party hack and will not engage in genuine discussion.

But he defended Rowlair daughter and she man coming and going as they please.

We all know that they jumped the queue and young telling even more Lies that the king

[timelapse]

My dad getting a 3 month stint in Jamaica from Monday.at least he will be closer to home now.Still nothing on the exemption from these snails.

[shake d livin wake d dead]

Expectations?

[timelapse]

^Not a damn thing.one set if fancy speech saying absolutely nothing at all

[Musical Doc]

A business woman I know applied for exemption and went to the US to visit her daughter in November and came back at the end of January. 7 days hotel quarantine then 7 days home quarantine. If she could get through so easily why can't the citizens stranded abroad?

[killercow]

^Not a damn thing.one set if fancy speech saying absolutely nothing at all

But you have expectations. I not even anticipating fancy speech. Just wasting ppl time telling them things they heard already. Nothing new here.

[De Dragon]

Yes, your graph contradicts you and show currently Barbados stricter than TT. Plus with higher vaccinations and stricter procedures, they still have higher cases and deaths per capita than us. And their economy suffering more. Unlike us, they are begging the private sector to help buy vaccines.

I'm trying to imagine you typing this sheit with a straight face, when literally we were begging Ansa McAl to finance our purchase of vaccines. Then again you're a known liar and sycophant when it comes to every single thing LFD RFD PNM, so your lying, sycophantic face was probably quite normal

[sMASH]

I feel hsbbit is Dr hinds.... Mr propaganda.