Government achievement thread (PNM EDITION 2015-2025)

[zoom rader]

Ny thoughts on the new hdc policy heard sum new stuff about the system

Good move. HDC is supposed to be for lower income to low middle income. If you are making $25,000+ find a TTMF. Save, buy land and build. PNM guilty of this too with Fidelis Heights. Time to set things straight.

Lawyers gon' be winin' low with this. Rowley needs to realize that Maxie Cuffie rubbing plenty people the wrong way with this one man show. Imagine he eh know this, cyah comment on dat, refer this to Two Plate Marlene (who was unable to be contacted BTW).

It is sad that you fall for UNC rhetoric. Nothing will come out of this. It is more vacuous than the election petition.

I wonder when Kamla is going to sue Jack like she promised seeing that elections done?

Nothing more dangerous than pro bono politicos with an axe to grind. There is however the legitimate expectation of applicants who qualified, and then were disqualified. Imagine waiting years and years for a house, getting on the list and then being struck off because maybe your circumstances changed and put you just out of the qualifying income. How are these figures arrived at anyways? Why not raise it to the median of the two amounts like 35000? Why 25000 in one sweep?

Nothing will come of this.

If you were allocated a house, nobody is taking it away from you.

Ppl want free tertiary education and drive around with subsidized fuel, receive free health care, pay no property tax and still receive subsidize homes no matter their income. And then wonder why our quality of life not like US.

Yeah ppl don't pay their HDC rents or mortgage and still gets to keep the house. Very rare you hear someone got kicked out from HDC arrears.

[De Dragon]

Any idea on if there was consultation, or review of this decision?

[zoom rader]

Any idea on if there was consultation, or review of this decision?

This government has habit of keeping those things away from the public.
It's always done in hush hush and then one day you will read on the news that is held at so and so place and the public agreed to it.

[j.o.e]

Any idea on if there was consultation, or review of this decision?

It was always 25k ... What was the consultation when PP increased it to $45k? ..... What could justify putting additional strain on already scarce public housing stock ?
Who did PP consult ?

[Daran]

Any idea on if there was consultation, or review of this decision?

This government has habit of keeping those things away from the public.
It's always done in hush hush and then one day you will read on the news that is held at so and so place and the public agreed to it.

And the public backlash is always minimal. It's amazing the kind of leeway this population gives the PNM.

[EmilioA]

Any idea on if there was consultation, or review of this decision?

This government has habit of keeping those things away from the public.
It's always done in hush hush and then one day you will read on the news that is held at so and so place and the public agreed to it.

And the public backlash is always minimal. It's amazing the kind of leeway this population gives the PNM.

None of the UNC has been dragged and tarred and feathered in public. I'd say the UNC gets alot of leeway too.

[dougla_boy]

Any idea on if there was consultation, or review of this decision?

This government has habit of keeping those things away from the public.
It's always done in hush hush and then one day you will read on the news that is held at so and so place and the public agreed to it.

And the public backlash is always minimal. It's amazing the kind of leeway this population gives the PNM.

None of the UNC has been dragged and tarred and feathered in public. I'd say the UNC gets alot of leeway too.

ent! d fok

[De Dragon]

Any idea on if there was consultation, or review of this decision?

It was always 25k ... What was the consultation when PP increased it to $45k? ..... What could justify putting additional strain on already scarce public housing stock ?
Who did PP consult ?

Me ent arks yuh facking dat! If PNM sheit in yuh facking gullet, dat go be alright as long as the UNC/PP do it too?
Anyone with an answer that does not contain UNC,PP? This decision reportedly affecting 80000 applicants, so I'm asking if anyone knows for sure if there was consultation or a Committee.

[Bezman]

most ppl complaining, are only doing so cause they got caught taking advantage the system.. even if you applied 10 years ago when you were making 8k/m, if you now making 25-30k and your wife making 15k ya'll can afford a regular mortgage and you shouldn't be on the list. i have a few friends on the list and beating up over it.. and plain talk, they are wrong, one is now a pilot and making 35k+, he and his wife have no plan to live in the HDC house, to them it was an investment they feel has now fallen through..

plain talk, trini's like too much free ting and favors..

[Habit7]

Any idea on if there was consultation, or review of this decision?

It was always 25k ... What was the consultation when PP increased it to $45k? ..... What could justify putting additional strain on already scarce public housing stock ?
Who did PP consult ?

Me ent arks yuh facking dat! If PNM sheit in yuh facking gullet, dat go be alright as long as the UNC/PP do it too?
Anyone with an answer that does not contain UNC,PP? This decision reportedly affecting 80000 applicants, so I'm asking if anyone knows for sure if there was consultation or a Committee.

Wow talk about wrong and strong.

He is not saying it is ok for PNM to do it because UNC did it, the HDC is governed by an Act to service low and middle income earners. It was already publicly aired in parliament and voted on by representatives. UNC surreptitiously change the limit. PNM reverting to the old limit already has public approval. Who knew when UNC increased the limit?

[De Dragon]

Any idea on if there was consultation, or review of this decision?

It was always 25k ... What was the consultation when PP increased it to $45k? ..... What could justify putting additional strain on already scarce public housing stock ?
Who did PP consult ?

Me ent arks yuh facking dat! If PNM sheit in yuh facking gullet, dat go be alright as long as the UNC/PP do it too?
Anyone with an answer that does not contain UNC,PP? This decision reportedly affecting 80000 applicants, so I'm asking if anyone knows for sure if there was consultation or a Committee.

Wow talk about wrong and strong.

He is not saying it is ok for PNM to do it because UNC did it, the HDC is governed by an Act to service low and middle income earners. It was already publicly aired in parliament and voted on by representatives. UNC surreptitiously change the limit. PNM reverting to the old limit already has public approval. Who knew when UNC increased the limit?

Wrong and strong about what? I guess the only people allowed to criticize the "dem do eet too" crowd are you and RASC.

[j.o.e]

Any idea on if there was consultation, or review of this decision?

It was always 25k ... What was the consultation when PP increased it to $45k? ..... What could justify putting additional strain on already scarce public housing stock ?
Who did PP consult ?

Me ent arks yuh facking dat! If PNM sheit in yuh facking gullet, dat go be alright as long as the UNC/PP do it too?
Anyone with an answer that does not contain UNC,PP? This decision reportedly affecting 80000 applicants, so I'm asking if anyone knows for sure if there was consultation or a Committee.

Wow talk about wrong and strong.

He is not saying it is ok for PNM to do it because UNC did it, the HDC is governed by an Act to service low and middle income earners. It was already publicly aired in parliament and voted on by representatives. UNC surreptitiously change the limit. PNM reverting to the old limit already has public approval. Who knew when UNC increased the limit?

Ex- fackin -actly ..... Why does PNM need permission to revert to an approved and lawful limit when UNC didn't need permission to remove an approved and lawful limit? Allyuh hypocrisy sickening

[De Dragon]

Any idea on if there was consultation, or review of this decision?

It was always 25k ... What was the consultation when PP increased it to $45k? ..... What could justify putting additional strain on already scarce public housing stock ?
Who did PP consult ?

Me ent arks yuh facking dat! If PNM sheit in yuh facking gullet, dat go be alright as long as the UNC/PP do it too?
Anyone with an answer that does not contain UNC,PP? This decision reportedly affecting 80000 applicants, so I'm asking if anyone knows for sure if there was consultation or a Committee.

Wow talk about wrong and strong.

He is not saying it is ok for PNM to do it because UNC did it, the HDC is governed by an Act to service low and middle income earners. It was already publicly aired in parliament and voted on by representatives. UNC surreptitiously change the limit. PNM reverting to the old limit already has public approval. Who knew when UNC increased the limit?

Ex- fackin -actly ..... Why does PNM need permission to revert to an approved and lawful limit when UNC didn't need permission to remove an approved and lawful limit? Allyuh hypocrisy sickening

I love how you and Habit7 ascribe motives and meaning to other people's posts This is the Gov't that consulting on everything from de PM colour jockey shorts, to what tuh eat for dinner and there was none on this? You do understand the difference between permission and consultation right?

[j.o.e]

Yuh know what forget all this consultation and permission talk. Is it feasible or reasonable for Gov't with its limited resources to provide subsidized housing for citizens, even those who easily have the means to qualify for mortgages and housing on the open market? Seeing that public housing is essentially a grant should there be a limit to those who access it?
The waiting lists for housing are ridiculous, was it a good policy to increase the limit to a point where upper income persons are competing for the same limited hosting stock with lower income persons ?
You claim this Gov't is seeking consultation for every little thing .... So you'd prefer consultation is this case.
All I am simply asking is help this layman understand why would a household with an income of $45,000 a month require a susbsidized house from the Gov't when they are in a better position than most to buy or build on the open market.
It's like you guys think HDC is a real estate company that is developing property for all , like they have no purpose in the delivery of a public policy.

[Habit7]

You are as you claim to be anti-Rowley, therefore you must be hurting in no small measure that he is now your PM post Sept 7. I expect you and those of your ilk to be hypercritical beyond reason as you were when he was OL. You will just have to wait on Kamla's suit, or march with Dr. Moonilal and demand that upper middle class ppl deserves subsidized homes. Until then...

[Redman]

So why cant HDC use the land bank that it has and develop housing for the middle class.

Subsidized does not mean loss making....it could be cost plus X...
Or just market.

Is it possible that HDC can develop and sell 10 units at a profit sufficient to offset the subsidy for 20 low income units?

Why cant the HDC housing program be revenue neutral or profit making?

[De Dragon]

Yuh know what forget all this consultation and permission talk. Is it feasible or reasonable for Gov't with its limited resources to provide subsidized housing for citizens, even those who easily have the means to qualify for mortgages and housing on the open market? Seeing that public housing is essentially a grant should there be a limit to those who access it?
The waiting lists for housing are ridiculous, was it a good policy to increase the limit to a point where upper income persons are competing for the same limited hosting stock with lower income persons ?
You claim this Gov't is seeking consultation for every little thing .... So you'd prefer consultation is this case.
All I am simply asking is help this layman understand why would a household with an income of $45,000 a month require a susbsidized house from the Gov't when they are in a better position than most to buy or build on the open market.
It's like you guys think HDC is a real estate company that is developing property for all , like they have no purpose in the delivery of a public policy.

But why cut out people entirely? It is not like in the olden times when Government houses were essentially "Plannings" and cookie cutter homes. Didn't' they just reveal that a development in Cocorite had units from 1.6-4.5 mil? Which 25K salary affording that? Why not be more inclusive and have the subsidy differ for different salary classifications?

[De Dragon]

You are as you claim to be anti-Rowley, therefore you must be hurting in no small measure that he is now your PM post Sept 7. I expect you and those of your ilk to be hypercritical beyond reason as you were when he was OL. You will just have to wait on Kamla's suit, or march with Dr. Moonilal and demand that upper middle class ppl deserves subsidized homes. Until then...

There you go again, ascribing motives and thoughts to people. I respect the current PM as our PM voted for by the majority. I however do not pretend to be deaf and blind to any leader's faults and when I feel that they are lapsing, it is my God given and Constitutional right, just as it is yours, to express myself. If that offends you then there are buttons on your computer which allow you to skip my posts.

[Numb3r4]

What about releasing un used government lands for purchase at a fair price, so that people can buy the land and build for themselves? Why does the government have to buildnthe house too?

For that matter why can't the government help to stabilise land prices, personally land prices are a bit ridiculous.

[j.o.e]

Yuh know what forget all this consultation and permission talk. Is it feasible or reasonable for Gov't with its limited resources to provide subsidized housing for citizens, even those who easily have the means to qualify for mortgages and housing on the open market? Seeing that public housing is essentially a grant should there be a limit to those who access it?
The waiting lists for housing are ridiculous, was it a good policy to increase the limit to a point where upper income persons are competing for the same limited hosting stock with lower income persons ?
You claim this Gov't is seeking consultation for every little thing .... So you'd prefer consultation is this case.
All I am simply asking is help this layman understand why would a household with an income of $45,000 a month require a susbsidized house from the Gov't when they are in a better position than most to buy or build on the open market.
It's like you guys think HDC is a real estate company that is developing property for all , like they have no purpose in the delivery of a public policy.

But why cut out people entirely? It is not like in the olden times when Government houses were essentially "Plannings" and cookie cutter homes. Didn't' they just reveal that a development in Cocorite had units from 1.6-4.5 mil? Which 25K salary affording that? Why not be more inclusive and have the subsidy differ for different salary classifications?

Those units skyrocketed to that price because of PP policy. Why should Gov't use scarce resources to develop high end properties ? Is there a shortage of high end properties ? Or is there a shortage of affordable housing for young adults and low income families ?
It is ridiculous that we even discussing this...... It is disgusting that Victoria Heights (if I'm recalling the name correctly) was outfitted in such a way to make it a $4.5 million apartment.
Now people are upset that Gov't isn't pimping out high rise condos for them.... The private sector is churning out a lot of high end properties ..... If you want a $4.5 million dollar apartment that is ok, buy it from the private sector.

[Habit7]

You are as you claim to be anti-Rowley, therefore you must be hurting in no small measure that he is now your PM post Sept 7. I expect you and those of your ilk to be hypercritical beyond reason as you were when he was OL. You will just have to wait on Kamla's suit, or march with Dr. Moonilal and demand that upper middle class ppl deserves subsidized homes. Until then...

There you go again, ascribing motives and thoughts to people. I respect the current PM as our PM voted for by the majority. I however do not pretend to be deaf and blind to any leader's faults and when I feel that they are lapsing, it is my God given and Constitutional right, just as it is yours, to express myself. If that offends you then there are buttons on your computer which allow you to skip my posts.

Halt the violins, nobody is violating your civil rights. You are being critiqued. I am not ascribing motives to anyone. You said you were "anti-Rowley," therefore your comments are taken in the light of this. If you raise a point that is of little to no merit, expect it to be countered.

[brams112]

If Rudy March I hope people pelt them with sheit.

And why not let HDC get going on for profit development?

Ascribe a value to the land ...build the house...sell it for an unsubsidized price.

HDC should be able to make a profit to offset the subsidized housing
If the private sector not stepping up...why not?

Boi the kind of sh1t houses them contractors building for HDC will surprise you oui,plus it easy to grease the supervisors wheels,you don't ask for Bligh,them demanding it.

[RASC]

I'm glad these posts are public so people can see how NASTY and GREEDY the CORE UNC supporters behave.

Take a good look people... Vex they can't get an HDC house at a combined $7,000USD a month salary .

Imagine making that amount in DC, a city more expensive than T&T and arguing about not being eligible for the comparable SECTION 8 ,Low income subsided housing. Sick.

[zoom rader]

I'm glad these posts are public so people can see how NASTY and GREEDY the CORE UNC supporters behave.

Take a good look people... Vex they can't get an HDC house at a combined $7,000USD a month salary .

Imagine making that amount in DC, a city more expensive than T&T and arguing about not being eligible for the comparable SECTION 8 ,Low income subsided housing. Sick.

DC inhabitants would probably support this government they have the right temperament. Who Stoke my wallet

[Lance]

45k and qualifying for low income housing is epic none sense.

This is a justified move.

ZR and the other sheep could go fly a kite.

[zoom rader]

45k and qualifying for low income housing is epic none sense.

This is a justified move.

ZR and the other sheep could go fly a kite.

I guess landlords will up their rents now to catch those making over 25k.
This government always putting the hurt on ppl.

[eliteauto]

45k and qualifying for low income housing is epic none sense.

This is a justified move.

ZR and the other sheep could go fly a kite.

I guess landlords will up their rents now to catch those making over 25k.
This government always putting the hurt on ppl.

what an asinine statement, try harder

[Habit7]

45k and qualifying for low income housing is epic none sense.

This is a justified move.

ZR and the other sheep could go fly a kite.

When I told a tuner that he said I challenging his God given and Constitutional rights.

[zoom rader]

45k and qualifying for low income housing is epic none sense.

This is a justified move.

ZR and the other sheep could go fly a kite.

I guess landlords will up their rents now to catch those making over 25k.
This government always putting the hurt on ppl.

what an asinine statement, try harder

How is this an asinine statement?

This government has thrown those making over a joint income 25k on HDC housing.
They are left out of the picture, if don't have a down payment saved up or qualify on the purchase of a private house then they are forced to rent. Couples these days are not as before and most choose to live apart from family.
Seeing that they are are now forced to rent, landlords will then take advantage of this by raising rents. Plus there are landlords that kick out Tenants slap some paint on with minor repair then call big money for these new renters.

[j.o.e]

ZR perpetuating the 'gimme gimme' syndrome he so despises