Apple wins Billion dollar lawsuit vs Samsung

[Stephon.]

Apple got boring fast.

which is why they are the most valuable company in the world

real sour grapes

That's not a legit argument. Apple isn't the most valuable company in the world because of how "amazing" their phones are. They're valuable because they have a strong fan base that needs to have the newest apple product when its out and they advertisement of basic upgrades to their new products get their Hipster fans wet for some reason.

This reminds me of the time when people said that GaGa was crap and then when I said that she is the most relevant and successful artiste around you all made noise saying "success doesn't mean she good"

The double standard.

[16 cycles]

Apple did their research and design before marketing.

Decent products,
good asthetics,
ergonomics,
appeal to different level of users,
Create a 'false' shortage by locking in to one telecom provider,
Have stars rock them....
Create 'useful' apps

See profits skyrocket.

Release updated versions yearly so ppl feel current phone is severly outdated..

More profits.

Samsung- copy most of the above, release multiple versions in less time to satisfy every possible market

Make it better than apple

See profits explode.

Get sued-

Release new products with work arounds or updates.

[achillies]

^ Yahoo and AOL spent billions on marketing - it didnt help

the world of marketing won't help if the product is crap

Apple is a hardware company, Google is not.

Google develops online software, collects data and generates revenue from selling advertising.

a LARGE part of Google's revenue stream comes from Google Adwords and Adsense - they provide tools such as Google Analytics, DFP Small Business / Ad Manager that millions of websites use around the world. Google has hundreds of products.

The mobile OS (Android), browser (Chrome), search engine (google.com) and Youtube are front ends that use the above software to collect data and push ads.

Very true, but many times R+D is used as some big magic wand that it seems only Apple can wave, my point was to show that it is indeed not.

Also true that marketing won't help if the product is crap, but a great product can also fail if the marketing is crap, not so?

Apple has great products, so does other companies, but one of the deciding factors in Apple's success is their marketing and their PR and it is in fact top notch, and matched by no other company in my lifetime, and if I didn't know what I do, I would have believed a lot of the falsities that is promoted in the marketing schemes, they have a supreme understanding of the psychology of the consumer, hence the reason that Apple has attracted such a "cult like" following, that following is not only a result of the product bro, that is a result of the controlling people's minds.

now it's mind control

you are starting to sound like the guys in the religion thread who say evidence of the earth being more than 6000 years old is a conspiracy by the scientists who make money pushing evolution!

what falsities? If there were blatant and terrible falsities the consumer and definitely the authorities would have stopped Apple in their tracks a long time ago.

There is alot of psychology in Apple's design, no doubt, but that is what makes it so desirable. The thought that goes into the design and function. Which is why it is copied and which is why there are so many supposed "iPhone Killers" but no on claims to be a HTC or Samsung or Nokia killer.

Many iPhone users believe the phone is capable of 4G speeds, even going so far as to including a 4G icon to fool customers, they had to pay a fine in Australia for false marketing of the 4G iPad, many also believe Apple invented pinch to zoom, and multi-touch and other touch screen related gestures, Steve Jobs claimed that the "Retina Display" has more pixels than the human eye can distinguish at 1 foot away, which is a little white lie, in fact the whole "Retina Display" moniker is a misleading marketing term, Apple has also had advertisements banned in certain countries because of the ads making false claims, countries outside the US take false advertising very serious, just do a Google Search for Apple false and deceptive advertising, you will get many many hits those are the type of falsities I speak of, or did you not know of these, there are more if I put the effort into finding out.

So yes, if I am sounding like those guys in the Religious thread, no problem, but it is a fact that Apple lies in many of their ads, so you should stop paying attention to who I am sounding like and start paying attention to the facts of the matter

Have a read of a couple examples of what I spoke about with regards to Apple having falsities in their marketing, if you dare

http://www.geek.com/articles/apple/ipho ... -20081126/

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/06/iphone-4-retina/

[De Dragon]

Apple got boring fast.

which is why they are the most valuable company in the world

real sour grapes

That's not a legit argument. Apple isn't the most valuable company in the world because of how "amazing" their phones are. They're valuable because they have a strong fan base that needs to have the newest apple product when its out and they advertisement of basic upgrades to their new products get their Hipster fans wet for some reason.

This reminds me of the time when people said that GaGa was crap and then when I said that she is the most relevant and successful artiste around you all made noise saying "success doesn't mean she good"
The double standard.

No GaGa and Apple are BOTH crap!

[stev]

apple have to be very careful though....wrong info can spread like wildfire to the misinformed.

eg. look at some of those memes already.....to a person who just knows "apple sued samsung for copying" its quite bad for Apple sales IMO.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Many iPhone users believe the phone is capable of 4G speeds, even going so far as to including a 4G icon to fool customers, they had to pay a fine in Australia for false marketing of the 4G iPad, many also believe Apple invented pinch to zoom, and multi-touch and other touch screen related gestures, Steve Jobs claimed that the "Retina Display" has more pixels than the human eye can distinguish at 1 foot away, which is a little white lie, in fact the whole "Retina Display" moniker is a misleading marketing term, Apple has also had advertisements banned in certain countries because of the ads making false claims, countries outside the US take false advertising very serious, just do a Google Search for Apple false and deceptive advertising, you will get many many hits those are the type of falsities I speak of, or did you not know of these, there are more if I put the effort into finding out.

So yes, if I am sounding like those guys in the Religious thread, no problem, but it is a fact that Apple lies in many of their ads, so you should stop paying attention to who I am sounding like and start paying attention to the facts of the matter

Have a read of a couple examples of what I spoke about with regards to Apple having falsities in their marketing, if you dare

http://www.geek.com/articles/apple/ipho ... -20081126/

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/06/iphone-4-retina/

that was 2008 and up till now companies cannot agree on what 4G really is.

Digicel and Bmobile are right now waving the 4G flag with HSPA+, a 3G technology

the other issue of retina display is a comment by Jobs as to why the display name is called "retina". A theoretical physicist debunking that claim is like getting the same theoretical physicist to claim false advertising by the "Bullet Train" because one of the execs said in a presentation that it moves like a bullet.

anyway, the pissing contest is not necessary. take win, Apple is crap.

the point I was making is that Apple is ultra successful because they have good products that alot of people like. And it would seem, esp from this thread, products that alot of people like to hate on.

It is much more productive, BTW, to spend time enjoying use of a product you like than to spend time hating on one you don't like. Which is why i don't post in the Blackberry thread!

[M_2NR]

I'm surprised this thread isn't at the level these comments are at in this post:
http://www.gizmodo.com/5939717/what-lap ... acbook-air

Coming close though.

[Stephon.]

take win, Apple is crap.

You're a smart man Duane I knew you would come around sooner or later. Xoxo

[achillies]

Many iPhone users believe the phone is capable of 4G speeds, even going so far as to including a 4G icon to fool customers, they had to pay a fine in Australia for false marketing of the 4G iPad, many also believe Apple invented pinch to zoom, and multi-touch and other touch screen related gestures, Steve Jobs claimed that the "Retina Display" has more pixels than the human eye can distinguish at 1 foot away, which is a little white lie, in fact the whole "Retina Display" moniker is a misleading marketing term, Apple has also had advertisements banned in certain countries because of the ads making false claims, countries outside the US take false advertising very serious, just do a Google Search for Apple false and deceptive advertising, you will get many many hits those are the type of falsities I speak of, or did you not know of these, there are more if I put the effort into finding out.

So yes, if I am sounding like those guys in the Religious thread, no problem, but it is a fact that Apple lies in many of their ads, so you should stop paying attention to who I am sounding like and start paying attention to the facts of the matter

Have a read of a couple examples of what I spoke about with regards to Apple having falsities in their marketing, if you dare

http://www.geek.com/articles/apple/ipho ... -20081126/

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/06/iphone-4-retina/

that was 2008 and up till now companies cannot agree on what 4G really is.

Digicel and Bmobile are right now waving the 4G flag with HSPA+, a 3G technology

the other issue of retina display is a comment by Jobs as to why the display name is called "retina". A theoretical physicist debunking that claim is like getting the same theoretical physicist to claim false advertising by the "Bullet Train" because one of the execs said in a presentation that it moves like a bullet.

anyway, the pissing contest is not necessary. take win, Apple is crap.

the point I was making is that Apple is ultra successful because they have good products that alot of people like. And it would seem, esp from this thread, products that alot of people like to hate on.

It is much more productive, BTW, to spend time enjoying use of a product you like than to spend time hating on one you don't like. Which is why i don't post in the Blackberry thread!

Deflecting does not mean it isn't there, they were fined in Australia in the year 2012 BTW

I guess the theoretical physicist was wrong for doing what he did, we should have all lived with what Steve Jobs said

I don't hate on apple products, I have to support them nearly everyday, but this is about the company and it's methods

Oh and now, most of Apple's hate is going to be self inflicted

Oh and I answered you question of what falsities, you do remember asking me that, don't you?

[sharkman121]

take win, Apple is crap.

You're a smart man Duane I knew you would come around sooner or later. Xoxo

[casper]

so bruce willis sueing apple now...lolz....well yessssssssssss....d ting now start to get stickyyyy

[M_2NR]

If this is true, this is absolutely sad on samsungs path.
http://tnw.to/m3kc

[Sky]

Many iPhone users believe the phone is capable of 4G speeds, even going so far as to including a 4G icon to fool customers, they had to pay a fine in Australia for false marketing of the 4G iPad, many also believe Apple invented pinch to zoom, and multi-touch and other touch screen related gestures, Steve Jobs claimed that the "Retina Display" has more pixels than the human eye can distinguish at 1 foot away, which is a little white lie, in fact the whole "Retina Display" moniker is a misleading marketing term, Apple has also had advertisements banned in certain countries because of the ads making false claims, countries outside the US take false advertising very serious, just do a Google Search for Apple false and deceptive advertising, you will get many many hits those are the type of falsities I speak of, or did you not know of these, there are more if I put the effort into finding out.

So yes, if I am sounding like those guys in the Religious thread, no problem, but it is a fact that Apple lies in many of their ads, so you should stop paying attention to who I am sounding like and start paying attention to the facts of the matter

Have a read of a couple examples of what I spoke about with regards to Apple having falsities in their marketing, if you dare

http://www.geek.com/articles/apple/ipho ... -20081126/

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/06/iphone-4-retina/

that was 2008 and up till now companies cannot agree on what 4G really is.

Digicel and Bmobile are right now waving the 4G flag with HSPA+, a 3G technology

the other issue of retina display is a comment by Jobs as to why the display name is called "retina". A theoretical physicist debunking that claim is like getting the same theoretical physicist to claim false advertising by the "Bullet Train" because one of the execs said in a presentation that it moves like a bullet.

anyway, the pissing contest is not necessary. take win, Apple is crap.

the point I was making is that Apple is ultra successful because they have good products that alot of people like. And it would seem, esp from this thread, products that alot of people like to hate on.

It is much more productive, BTW, to spend time enjoying use of a product you like than to spend time hating on one you don't like. Which is why i don't post in the Blackberry thread!

So two cellular network in the Caribbean doing it means Apple could too?

It's not hating on a product. It's plain facts.
Using an Apple product is like being a vegan. There's always some compromise you as the customer has to make. But it makes you feel like part of some elite group and you can boast about it to others.
I remember this fanboy I worked with had to make a presentation to managers and directors.
He took 15 minutes to setup a thunderbolt to vga converter on a macbook air, while ignoring the Latitude and Optiplex I had on the projector, JUST to say he's using the apple. The big men started shakin their heads. BTW he paid about $600 for that tb to vga converter
And Apple plays it off as "You don't need that. Not having that is innovation. Look at these useless features we came up with. That's what you need."
There are so many more gripes and issues, but I'll leave it there. I'm not saying they suck, they make some good stuff. But if I want a quality notebook, why buy one that has parts that are more expensive because they're in theirs, then put up with an OS with dev support issues. I could easily go sony or toshiba.

Duane, don't dismiss people speaking about occurrences with a product/brand as hating. That just makes you a fanboy.

[Sky]

By the way, the only apple user that I've met, that properly justified using it is Strauss. And we only talk here. Everyone else acted like the vegan. Some even said that they got the iphone because that was "d flick now". And yes I've met a lot.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

^ I dunno but I've been using an iPhone since 2007 and I definitely don't have it because it's a "flick" - IMO it is a well made and useful device with tons of support and the right apps that I want to use

it works flawlessly with the iPad, Apple TV, car stereo, home alarm, cameras, GoPro and a ton of other things I use that are iOS compatible.

I use it because it works.

Alot of people I know with smartphones don't use 1/4 of the features of the phone.

At the end of the day you can beat up how much you want, Apple is at the top of their game and have been there for years. Companies don't become larger than EXXON and have more money than the US Gov't by selling crap and being dishonest, it has to work.

[Sky]

^ I dunno but I've been using an iPhone since 2007 and I definitely don't have it because it's a "flick" - IMO it is a well made and useful device with tons of support and the right apps that I want to use

it works flawlessly with the iPad, Apple TV, car stereo, home alarm, cameras, GoPro and a ton of other things I use that are iOS compatible.

I use it because it works.

Alot of people I know with smartphones don't use 1/4 of the features of the phone.

At the end of the day you can beat up how much you want, Apple is at the top of their game and have been there for years. Companies don't become larger than EXXON and have more money than the US Gov't by selling crap and being dishonest, it has to work.

Well good for you
You're #2.
And I didn't say they sell crap or are dishonest. Check the next man.
And in the same post you talk about people not using 1/4 of their smart phone features, you claim that Apple is where they are because they sell stuff that works.
If they all buy iphones and don't utilize them properly, do they even need to work? Or how is that even a testimony that they work.
You losing your edge eh

[achillies]

^ I dunno but I've been using an iPhone since 2007 and I definitely don't have it because it's a "flick" - IMO it is a well made and useful device with tons of support and the right apps that I want to use

it works flawlessly with the iPad, Apple TV, car stereo, home alarm, cameras, GoPro and a ton of other things I use that are iOS compatible.

I use it because it works.

Alot of people I know with smartphones don't use 1/4 of the features of the phone.

At the end of the day you can beat up how much you want, Apple is at the top of their game and have been there for years. Companies don't become larger than EXXON and have more money than the US Gov't by selling crap and being dishonest, it has to work.

Apple is suing everyone right now, the claim is that what other manufacturers are doing is impacting on their bottom line, Steve Jobs wanted to go thermonuclear war on......

Tell me again who is beating up???

[fraggle]

Im not an apple fan, for the simple fact that their products a to pricey for my taste, but they don't make crap. Apple are the leaders in innovation because of there no nonsence approach to their business and its sad that samsung had to get a taste of apples aggresive business style. And honestly anybody can see that samsung stole iphone ideas, even google sent samsung a letter telling them that the original galaxy looks too much like an iphone.

[Mark!]

i want ifone to be like dem in 'merika

[casper]

well seems that tim cook and dem have no good ideas or designs of their own for new products so all they lookin to do is sue and get money elsewhere... i bet they rel missing Jobs right now as coming up with new products and designs gonna be extra tough...specially with the rate the rest of brands coming at with their tech

macbooks will be macbooks...not much u can do with a lappy other than uprage the specs...its a given...however, phones and tablets are where u need to bring forth something extraordinary...or else ppl will just lose interest...

this gonna be the first time launching a phone that the world expects something totally different
without Steve...the 4s was just a mere upgrade to the 4 WRT internal hardware specs...now they lookin at a totally different design and layout...so lets see how well they gonna hold on to the top seat in the "phone world"

puts flame suit on

[fraggle]

well seems that tim cook and dem have no good ideas or designs of their own for new products so all they lookin to do is sue and get money elsewhere... i bet they rel missing Jobs right now as coming up with new products and designs gonna be extra tough...specially with the rate the rest of brands coming at with their tech

macbooks will be macbooks...not much u can do with a lappy other than uprage the specs...its a given...however, phones and tablets are where u need to bring forth something extraordinary...or else ppl will just lose interest...

this gonna be the first time launching a phone that the world expects something totally different
without Steve...the 4s was just a mere upgrade to the 4 WRT internal hardware specs...now they lookin at a totally different design and layout...so lets see how well they gonna hold on to the top seat in the "phone world"

puts flame suit on

I say for a very long time. Apple is more than just their products thats what their competitors are just now understanding. Apple does not have to bring the best of anything to win the hearts of their fans and customers they just have to do it differently and thats really what they are extremely good at.

[stev]

this was a bit interesting:

http://www.androidauthority.com/goophon ... na-112190/

[achillies]

Apple should call the Jury Foreman in and bribe him to keep his mouth shut, the more he talks, the more everyone knows that the Jury did nonsense

Taken from Groklaw

This is in the believe it or not category, but the foreman in the Apple v Samsung trial is *still* talking about the verdict and why the jurors did what they did. And the more he talks, the worse it gets for that verdict.
Gizmodo asked him to sit today for live questions. And believe it or not, he did it. And when asked if the jury was ever asking whether or not a patent should have issued, he claims that they never did because that wasn't their role and the judge told them to assume the patents issued properly and not to second guess that determination.

That is so wrong it's not even just wrong. The Verdict Form[PDF] and the Jury Instructions[PDF] specifically asked them to address that very question.

Here's what he said, starting with the question from Demon-Xanth:

Demon-Xanth:
Did you have the opportunity to ask "Is this something that should be patentable?" during the trial?
Velvin Hogan @Demon-Xanth
No, however it was not the function of this jury to ask that. We were bound to use the law as it is today. The patents were issued the judge instructed us not to second guess the current patent system.

The law is that the jurors are supposed to decide whether or not a patent is infringed, which *includes* whether or not the patent is valid, because if it is not valid, it can't be infringed.
What a mess this jury made of things. IF you are ever on a jury, please use your common sense. The function of a jury is to decide facts, not just be little patent fascists. The USPTO issues patents that have the benefit of certain weight, but it is a challengeable assumption that they are valid. The USPTO leaves that to the courts. If in turn the jury leaves it to the USPTO, nobody ever decides whether or not a patent is valid.

And that is exactly what happened with this jury. They failed to fulfill their function.

He goes on to say that he understands prior art, but I think not. When asked, "Do you honestly believe that companies should be allowed to patent basic geometric forms?" he answers, Yes. He repeats the false claim that the prior art didn't count because it was not "interchangeable":

Wanhang:
Why did you choose to ignore prior art despite it being a legitimate claim?
Velvin Hogan @Wanhang
I is not ignore prior art yes it was legitimate, however it was not interchangeable therefore it did not invalidate Apples patents....Under the current law the prior art must be among other things interchangeable. the prior art sighted even Samsung does not currently use. Read the law and the statues covering Prior art.

Back at you, Mr. Hogan. Back at you. But someone calling himself Firewheels responded much more effectively:

Firewheels @Velvin Hogan
You're suggesting, then, that the patent is on the particular implementation, not the overall concept? In that case, isn't it clear that in many of the patents no infringement is possible, as clearly an implementation in Java (Android) is distinct from an implementation in Objective-C (iOS)?
If, however, you're suggesting the patent is on the concept, then clearly there IS prior art, and therefore the patents are invalid.

Either way, Samsung should not have been charged the exorbitant punitive damages you clearly believed were due.

Mr. Hogan has not replied, and it's been 4 hours. As another questioner, Bazzatoyou, phrased it after waiting an hour for a response that never came, "Looks like The Hogan has left the room ...!"
I hope Mr. Hogan's thinking deep thoughts about Firewheels' question.

One thing is for sure, this is going to be one fascinating appeal.

[maj. tom]

[casper]

Doh make jokkke

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Ives has always stated that he uses Rams designs for inspiration

Rams (Brauns designer) praised Apple and Ives for their design work in 2011
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/a ... r-did.html

[casper]

So much for innovation and originality lol

[Strauss]

take win, Apple is crap.

You're a smart man Duane I knew you would come around sooner or later. Xoxo

hahaha.
The man just give up

[Sky]

^^ Stephon does that to you

So I guess Samsung shoulda praise Apple for their designs and get away from a sue.

[SRJ Imports]

^^^^ thats all they wanted..........but the Koreans move like Chinese an just copy......an make it better.

remember the dual sims rage before the iphone an even all the china copycat iphones was about......but the difference with the Koreans is their copy is not crap junk like the Chinese an Apple knows it