COVID-19 Vaccine Tracker (News and Updates) (Poll added)

[MaxPower]

What exactly are you afraid of Max and why the insistence on Pfizer?

Glad to hear the boys pulling through.

I fraid still.

If i getting a link for the Pfizer….take it?

Hey mate,

Im afraid of the long term effects that may be associated with it.

I would like to consider myself as generally healthy and cautious with no medical conditions other than a kidney stone here and there.

I just don’t trust vaccines that are basically rushed and are “meeting the requirements” of the WHO.

If we had at least a 5 year analysis, then maybe i would be more willing to take it.

However, if it becomes mandatory for everyone to be vaccinated, i will comply.

Heard the Pfizer is the best.

[leea27]

What exactly are you afraid of Max and why the insistence on Pfizer?

Glad to hear the boys pulling through.

I fraid still.

If i getting a link for the Pfizer….take it?

Hey mate,

Im afraid of the long term effects that may be associated with it.

I would like to consider myself as generally healthy and cautious with no medical conditions other than a kidney stone here and there.

I just don’t trust vaccines that are basically rushed and are “meeting the requirements” of the WHO.

If we had at least a 5 year analysis, then maybe i would be more willing to take it.

However, if it becomes mandatory for everyone to be vaccinated, i will comply.

Heard the Pfizer is the best.

pick your poison.

Covid-19 with 2% CFR and lots of long-term effects that can shorten your lifespan and lead to Erectile dysfunction. Not to mention, the more vaccine hesitancy we have the longer lockdowns will take to be lifted.

OR

Vaccines that are built on previous technology (even the mRNAs) and have been given to hundreds of millions of people starting almost a year ago. Other than the Astrazeneca rare blood clots and the equally rare Myocarditis in young teens with Pfizer, they have been proven safe.





Now the choice seems obvious. Please don't think you can remain safe from covid if you're unvaccinated, you will eventually get it because legions of people who might be vaccine-hesitant will give it to you, especially when things begin to open up.

Anyway, you are a troll, and I'll stop feeding, get your vaccine.

[MaxPower]

What exactly are you afraid of Max and why the insistence on Pfizer?

Glad to hear the boys pulling through.

I fraid still.

If i getting a link for the Pfizer….take it?

Hey mate,

Im afraid of the long term effects that may be associated with it.

I would like to consider myself as generally healthy and cautious with no medical conditions other than a kidney stone here and there.

I just don’t trust vaccines that are basically rushed and are “meeting the requirements” of the WHO.

If we had at least a 5 year analysis, then maybe i would be more willing to take it.

However, if it becomes mandatory for everyone to be vaccinated, i will comply.

Heard the Pfizer is the best.

pick your poison.

Covid-19 with 2% CFR and lots of long-term effects that can shorten your lifespan and lead to Erectile dysfunction. Not to mention, the more vaccine hesitancy we have the longer lockdowns will take to be lifted.

OR

Vaccines that are built on previous technology (even the mRNAs) and have been given to hundreds of millions of people starting almost a year ago. Other than the Astrazeneca rare blood clots and the equally rare Myocarditis in young teens with Pfizer, they have been proven safe.





Now the choice seems obvious. Please don't think you can remain safe from covid if you're unvaccinated, you will eventually get it because legions of people who might be vaccine-hesitant will give it to you, especially when things begin to open up.

Anyway, you are a troll, and I'll stop feeding, get your vaccine.

Thanks for the info.

Welcome to Trinituner.

[Chimera]

i didnt want to take the vaccine either, that's why i didnt get AZ when it was easily available

but as i see more and more bodies start to fall and knowing a few people who died and then i know i outside conducting business...

i say any vaccine better than no vaccine

cant study long time side effects when the short time side effect of not taking a vaccine could be death

[MaxPower]

i didnt want to take the vaccine either, that's why i didnt get AZ when it was easily available

but as i see more and more bodies start to fall and knowing a few people who died and then i know i outside conducting business...

i say any vaccine better than no vaccine

cant study long time side effects when the short time side effect of not taking a vaccine could be death

Hmmmm true

[Mmoney607]

i didnt want to take the vaccine either, that's why i didnt get AZ when it was easily available

but as i see more and more bodies start to fall and knowing a few people who died and then i know i outside conducting business...

i say any vaccine better than no vaccine

cant study long time side effects when the short time side effect of not taking a vaccine could be death

Hmmmm true

Max explain something.

You are one of the biggest proponents for calling out and deeply condemning peopl ja'ing the scene. But you don't want to take the vaccine. So how we coming out of the pandemic if a lot of people were to adopt your position?

I see many people on Twitter who would actually say that you are the biggest ja of all.

Just asking. No offense.

[leea27]

i didnt want to take the vaccine either, that's why i didnt get AZ when it was easily available

but as i see more and more bodies start to fall and knowing a few people who died and then i know i outside conducting business...

i say any vaccine better than no vaccine

cant study long time side effects when the short time side effect of not taking a vaccine could be death

Hmmmm true

Max explain something.

You are one of the biggest proponents for calling out and deeply condemning peopl ja'ing the scene. But you don't want to take the vaccine. So how we coming out of the pandemic if a lot of people were to adopt your position?

I see many people on Twitter who would actually say that you are the biggest ja of all.

Just asking. No offense.

Same way you can't force people to behave, you can't force people to take the vaccine.

I'm not saying it should be mandatory, but taking the vaccine (any vaccine) is a step forward. Those who say otherwise fall into a few categories.

Covid deniers - narcists who think they're healthy enough to fight it off and who simultaneously mock people for being weak and dying

Antivax conspiracy theorists - nuff said, not going to describe these morons

Vax hesitant persons - those who see the reports of blood clots, or think it's rushed and are hesitant. That's fine, investigate and research what you put in your body. But every medicine and vaccine had to be tried on humans at some point. We didn't know if the first polio vaccines would work or if they would kill people. But science and medicine have evolved to understand a great deal of what is safe and what could be dangerous. There's nothing in these vaccines that can lead to long-term consequences. 99.9999999% of the dangerous side effects happen during the first month or less.

Extreme Introverts and persons with anxiety disorders - they might very well prefer life locked up indoors. They can't speak for everyone and their lifestyle isn't compatible with the modern world. They need help and they need to take the vaccine.

[MaxPower]

i didnt want to take the vaccine either, that's why i didnt get AZ when it was easily available

but as i see more and more bodies start to fall and knowing a few people who died and then i know i outside conducting business...

i say any vaccine better than no vaccine

cant study long time side effects when the short time side effect of not taking a vaccine could be death

Hmmmm true

Max explain something.

You are one of the biggest proponents for calling out and deeply condemning peopl ja'ing the scene. But you don't want to take the vaccine. So how we coming out of the pandemic if a lot of people were to adopt your position?

I see many people on Twitter who would actually say that you are the biggest ja of all.

Just asking. No offense.

Hello Mmoney607,

Happy to answer your question man.

But if i can ask that you read over my post where i specifically stated that if it becomes mandatory to take the vaccine i will.

If there reaches a point where we are literally begging people to vaccinate, i will do my part for the benefit of the people of T&T. Say what you wish, think what you wish, call me Anti-Trini for coming down HARD on our harden locals. But when it comes to contributing for the survival of a country, i will step up as necessary. I’m just a bit hesitant that’s all and need more time and advice as to how and when to proceed.

And it doesn’t really matter what anyone says about me on any social media platform bro. There are so much other things to focus on in life and if you take on never ending criticism, you will live a miserable life. Speak your mind, stand firm in what you believe in, accept defeat and be apologetic when necessary. Where better to do all of this in an Ole Talk Forum.

Cheers

[carluva]

Hey mate,

Im afraid of the long term effects that may be associated with it.

I would like to consider myself as generally healthy and cautious with no medical conditions other than a kidney stone here and there.

I just don’t trust vaccines that are basically rushed and are “meeting the requirements” of the WHO.

If we had at least a 5 year analysis, then maybe i would be more willing to take it.

However, if it becomes mandatory for everyone to be vaccinated, i will comply.

Heard the Pfizer is the best.

Who said Pfizer is the best? The media? The West? The CDC? The FDA? Do you faithfully trust everything powerful leaders, entities or nations say?

With advancements in STEM, quality research can be fast-tracked and using historical data can assist in pushing out good products. In that sense, all vaccines are good at building immunity, reducing severe symptoms and reducing the probability of hospitalization. Do not get fixated on "efficacy". This is a metric used but when you dig a bit deeper, each vaccine's efficacy was not based on comparing apples with apples nor do I think each vaccine was independently tested by an independent lab or body.

If you are into home theater, I can use the example of THX certification rather loosely. Marantz, Denon, Yamaha, Onkyo all make good gear. Many of their base models will sound well, work well and perform as expected especially when you are relying on manufacturer published data, which we know can be misleading (eg. quoting maximum watts/RMS watts/channels driven etc.). If however you have an Onkyo receiver obtained a THX certification, chances are that will sound even better, work more efficiently and perform superbly...

... all the vaccines will work at what for what they are intended - building immunity, reducing severe symptoms and reducing the probability of hospitalization. No one vaccine is superior to the other especially when all we have to rely on is manufacturer data in the form of efficacy. However, there is evidence out there that the vaccines reduce the severity of the symptoms and are reducing hospitalisations. No "THX" body ever said one was better than the other based on independent analysis. So, all vaccines are good and noone should have to feel that one is inferior to the other.

Now onto another element. Risk. I am oversimplifying here.

Risk = Consequence x Likelihood.

What can make you sick in your life?
What can make you critically ill?
What can make you die?

These ae risks you need to evaluate.

Getting Sick (normal flu, diarrhea, headache) may be a low consequence.
Getting critically ill (partial loss of vision, loss of limb etc) may be high consequence.
Dying, contracting cancer, AIDS, COVID may be high consequence.

Then, based on your lifestyle, you may determine the likelihood (or probability) of each occurring. These can be Low, Medium and High as well. For ease you may choose the following or any other way you see fit:

Low P x Low C = Low Risk
Low P x Med C = Low Risk
Low P x High C = Med Risk
Med P x Low C = Med Risk
Med P x Med C = Med Risk
Med P x High C = High Risk
High P x Low C = Med Risk
High P x Med C = High Risk
High P x High C = High Risk

Once you see where the risks to your well being are, you make changes to mitigate likelihood. You can never mitigate consequence unless you redesign or omit which is never always possible.

So, using your kidney stones as an example: that may be a Medium Consequence as it can cause severe pain and lead to renal failure and blood poisoning. It may also be a Medium Probability as it has happened already. So Kidney stones are a medium risk to your well being and life. How do mitigate? Improve the diet, lose weight, drink more water and less of anything else. Doing so will reduce the likelihood of getting the stones, but understand that the consequence of pain and possible renal failure still remains if you do still happen to get stones. You have thus reduced the risk of kidney stones affecting your health and life.

I went at pains to do this post. I didn't have to but here's why I chose to take the shot.

COVID could kill me. I have no known co-morbidities but it can still kill me. With me dead, I leave behind kids who are not yet adults and who need my care. I leave behind a wife who may struggle to make ends meet. I leave daughters with no father to a world who preys on women such as these.

COVID could leave me with major complications later on if I survive, any of which can reduce my lifespan.

For me COVID was high risk. After much deliberation, I decided to take the shot and rationalised that any "unknowns" due to the shot are greatly outweighed by the "knowns" of the shot. In the words, preventing me from dying from COVID now, far outweighs the potential unknown complications later on in life. If these unknowns present themselves later on, I will do another risk analysis and evaluate those risks, but not having any knowledge at this point was not sufficiently weighted to deter me.

Oh yes... I knew I was getting the AZ. AZ linked to blood clots right? So after reading online, it was found that persons who suffered from blood clots after the vaccine also had low platelet counts. I saw that as a risk for the AZ vaccine. So what did I do? I took a complete blood test the week of my vaccine to ensure the CBC was good. I figured that if platelets were low going in to an AZ shot, that may increase the probability of blood clots due to low platelets and I would have to get my platelet count back up before taking the shot. My CBC was good so I proceeded. Also, God forbid that anything should happen, at least I have a "baseline" blood report that can be used for diagnosis, treatment and research.

I am not saying you should do the same as I did. Rather, I am offering to the community here why I chose to get vaccinated and how I assessed this important and critical decision.

[MaxPower]

Thank you carluva for taking the time to write up that very informative post.

Will definitely consider getting vaccinated soon.

Really appreciate it.

[SissyGirl1]

Hey mate,

Im afraid of the long term effects that may be associated with it.

I would like to consider myself as generally healthy and cautious with no medical conditions other than a kidney stone here and there.

I just don’t trust vaccines that are basically rushed and are “meeting the requirements” of the WHO.

If we had at least a 5 year analysis, then maybe i would be more willing to take it.

However, if it becomes mandatory for everyone to be vaccinated, i will comply.

Heard the Pfizer is the best.

Who said Pfizer is the best? The media? The West? The CDC? The FDA? Do you faithfully trust everything powerful leaders, entities or nations say?

With advancements in STEM, quality research can be fast-tracked and using historical data can assist in pushing out good products. In that sense, all vaccines are good at building immunity, reducing severe symptoms and reducing the probability of hospitalization. Do not get fixated on "efficacy". This is a metric used but when you dig a bit deeper, each vaccine's efficacy was not based on comparing apples with apples nor do I think each vaccine was independently tested by an independent lab or body.

If you are into home theater, I can use the example of THX certification rather loosely. Marantz, Denon, Yamaha, Onkyo all make good gear. Many of their base models will sound well, work well and perform as expected especially when you are relying on manufacturer published data, which we know can be misleading (eg. quoting maximum watts/RMS watts/channels driven etc.). If however you have an Onkyo receiver obtained a THX certification, chances are that will sound even better, work more efficiently and perform superbly...

... all the vaccines will work at what for what they are intended - building immunity, reducing severe symptoms and reducing the probability of hospitalization. No one vaccine is superior to the other especially when all we have to rely on is manufacturer data in the form of efficacy. However, there is evidence out there that the vaccines reduce the severity of the symptoms and are reducing hospitalisations. No "THX" body ever said one was better than the other based on independent analysis. So, all vaccines are good and noone should have to feel that one is inferior to the other.

Now onto another element. Risk. I am oversimplifying here.

Risk = Consequence x Likelihood.

What can make you sick in your life?
What can make you critically ill?
What can make you die?

These ae risks you need to evaluate.

Getting Sick (normal flu, diarrhea, headache) may be a low consequence.
Getting critically ill (partial loss of vision, loss of limb etc) may be high consequence.
Dying, contracting cancer, AIDS, COVID may be high consequence.

Then, based on your lifestyle, you may determine the likelihood (or probability) of each occurring. These can be Low, Medium and High as well. For ease you may choose the following or any other way you see fit:

Low P x Low C = Low Risk
Low P x Med C = Low Risk
Low P x High C = Med Risk
Med P x Low C = Med Risk
Med P x Med C = Med Risk
Med P x High C = High Risk
High P x Low C = Med Risk
High P x Med C = High Risk
High P x High C = High Risk

Once you see where the risks to your well being are, you make changes to mitigate likelihood. You can never mitigate consequence unless you redesign or omit which is never always possible.

So, using your kidney stones as an example: that may be a Medium Consequence as it can cause severe pain and lead to renal failure and blood poisoning. It may also be a Medium Probability as it has happened already. So Kidney stones are a medium risk to your well being and life. How do mitigate? Improve the diet, lose weight, drink more water and less of anything else. Doing so will reduce the likelihood of getting the stones, but understand that the consequence of pain and possible renal failure still remains if you do still happen to get stones. You have thus reduced the risk of kidney stones affecting your health and life.

I went at pains to do this post. I didn't have to but here's why I chose to take the shot.

COVID could kill me. I have no known co-morbidities but it can still kill me. With me dead, I leave behind kids who are not yet adults and who need my care. I leave behind a wife who may struggle to make ends meet. I leave daughters with no father to a world who preys on women such as these.

COVID could leave me with major complications later on if I survive, any of which can reduce my lifespan.

For me COVID was high risk. After much deliberation, I decided to take the shot and rationalised that any "unknowns" due to the shot are greatly outweighed by the "knowns" of the shot. In the words, preventing me from dying from COVID now, far outweighs the potential unknown complications later on in life. If these unknowns present themselves later on, I will do another risk analysis and evaluate those risks, but not having any knowledge at this point was not sufficiently weighted to deter me.

Oh yes... I knew I was getting the AZ. AZ linked to blood clots right? So after reading online, it was found that persons who suffered from blood clots after the vaccine also had low platelet counts. I saw that as a risk for the AZ vaccine. So what did I do? I took a complete blood test the week of my vaccine to ensure the CBC was good. I figured that if platelets were low going in to an AZ shot, that may increase the probability of blood clots due to low platelets and I would have to get my platelet count back up before taking the shot. My CBC was good so I proceeded. Also, God forbid that anything should happen, at least I have a "baseline" blood report that can be used for diagnosis, treatment and research.

I am not saying you should do the same as I did. Rather, I am offering to the community here why I chose to get vaccinated and how I assessed this important and critical decision.

Tbh, you sounding kinda insecure that you can't get the Pfizer and other people could. If you could have gotten the Pfizer you wouldn't be talking this talk.

Not saying Pfizer is the best or anything like that....just an observation.

[Mmoney607]

Thank you carluva for taking the time to write up that very informative post.

Will definitely consider getting vaccinated soon.

Really appreciate it.

Alright I get what your saying. But most people like you who are pro lockdown and find Trinidadians too harden are very in support of the vaccine.

But according to what you have said you don't mind waiting. Ok.

[Mmoney607]

i didnt want to take the vaccine either, that's why i didnt get AZ when it was easily available

but as i see more and more bodies start to fall and knowing a few people who died and then i know i outside conducting business...

i say any vaccine better than no vaccine

cant study long time side effects when the short time side effect of not taking a vaccine could be death

Hmmmm true

Max explain something.

You are one of the biggest proponents for calling out and deeply condemning peopl ja'ing the scene. But you don't want to take the vaccine. So how we coming out of the pandemic if a lot of people were to adopt your position?

I see many people on Twitter who would actually say that you are the biggest ja of all.

Just asking. No offense.

Same way you can't force people to behave, you can't force people to take the vaccine.

I'm not saying it should be mandatory, but taking the vaccine (any vaccine) is a step forward. Those who say otherwise fall into a few categories.

Covid deniers - narcists who think they're healthy enough to fight it off and who simultaneously mock people for being weak and dying

Antivax conspiracy theorists - nuff said, not going to describe these morons

Vax hesitant persons - those who see the reports of blood clots, or think it's rushed and are hesitant. That's fine, investigate and research what you put in your body. But every medicine and vaccine had to be tried on humans at some point. We didn't know if the first polio vaccines would work or if they would kill people. But science and medicine have evolved to understand a great deal of what is safe and what could be dangerous. There's nothing in these vaccines that can lead to long-term consequences. 99.9999999% of the dangerous side effects happen during the first month or less.

Extreme Introverts and persons with anxiety disorders - they might very well prefer life locked up indoors. They can't speak for everyone and their lifestyle isn't compatible with the modern world. They need help and they need to take the vaccine.

They got many more categories of people than that. Most of the antivaxxers are just idiots promoted by mainstream media. We wouldn't have known about any antivaxxers if it wasn't in mainstream media.

And the vaccines cannot be made mandatory because they are yet to be fully approved.

[hover11]

How can getting vaccinated beat covid when the vaccine don't prevent you from getting covid?

What exactly are you afraid of Max and why the insistence on Pfizer?

Glad to hear the boys pulling through.

I fraid still.

If i getting a link for the Pfizer….take it?

Hey mate,

Im afraid of the long term effects that may be associated with it.

I would like to consider myself as generally healthy and cautious with no medical conditions other than a kidney stone here and there.

I just don’t trust vaccines that are basically rushed and are “meeting the requirements” of the WHO.

If we had at least a 5 year analysis, then maybe i would be more willing to take it.

However, if it becomes mandatory for everyone to be vaccinated, i will comply.

Heard the Pfizer is the best.

pick your poison.

Covid-19 with 2% CFR and lots of long-term effects that can shorten your lifespan and lead to Erectile dysfunction. Not to mention, the more vaccine hesitancy we have the longer lockdowns will take to be lifted.

OR

Vaccines that are built on previous technology (even the mRNAs) and have been given to hundreds of millions of people starting almost a year ago. Other than the Astrazeneca rare blood clots and the equally rare Myocarditis in young teens with Pfizer, they have been proven safe.





Now the choice seems obvious. Please don't think you can remain safe from covid if you're unvaccinated, you will eventually get it because legions of people who might be vaccine-hesitant will give it to you, especially when things begin to open up.

Anyway, you are a troll, and I'll stop feeding, get your vaccine.

[hover11]

What exactly are you afraid of Max and why the insistence on Pfizer?

Glad to hear the boys pulling through.

I fraid still.

If i getting a link for the Pfizer….take it?

Hey mate,

Im afraid of the long term effects that may be associated with it.

I would like to consider myself as generally healthy and cautious with no medical conditions other than a kidney stone here and there.

I just don’t trust vaccines that are basically rushed and are “meeting the requirements” of the WHO.

If we had at least a 5 year analysis, then maybe i would be more willing to take it.

However, if it becomes mandatory for everyone to be vaccinated, i will comply.

Heard the Pfizer is the best.

Pfizer's CEO is 59 and was hesitant to take his own vaccine , claimed he didn't want to cut the line , doesn't that seem a little odd to you?

[pugboy]

that ceo talk was debunked a long time ago

[teems1]

Getting vaccinated helps ensure that when you eventually do get Covid, the symptoms are mild and do not require hospitalization.

How can getting vaccinated beat covid when the vaccine don't prevent you from getting covid?

What exactly are you afraid of Max and why the insistence on Pfizer?

Glad to hear the boys pulling through.

I fraid still.

If i getting a link for the Pfizer….take it?

Hey mate,

Im afraid of the long term effects that may be associated with it.

I would like to consider myself as generally healthy and cautious with no medical conditions other than a kidney stone here and there.

I just don’t trust vaccines that are basically rushed and are “meeting the requirements” of the WHO.

If we had at least a 5 year analysis, then maybe i would be more willing to take it.

However, if it becomes mandatory for everyone to be vaccinated, i will comply.

Heard the Pfizer is the best.

pick your poison.

Covid-19 with 2% CFR and lots of long-term effects that can shorten your lifespan and lead to Erectile dysfunction. Not to mention, the more vaccine hesitancy we have the longer lockdowns will take to be lifted.

OR

Vaccines that are built on previous technology (even the mRNAs) and have been given to hundreds of millions of people starting almost a year ago. Other than the Astrazeneca rare blood clots and the equally rare Myocarditis in young teens with Pfizer, they have been proven safe.





Now the choice seems obvious. Please don't think you can remain safe from covid if you're unvaccinated, you will eventually get it because legions of people who might be vaccine-hesitant will give it to you, especially when things begin to open up.

Anyway, you are a troll, and I'll stop feeding, get your vaccine.

[hover11]

How is it debunked the man clearly did an interview and was hesitant to take his own product until public pressure ....claimed that you didn't want to cut the line lol well ok

that ceo talk was debunked a long time ago

[elec2020]

A visit by the CEO of pharmaceutical giant Pfizer next week was postponed due to the fact that Albert Bourla and his delegation are not yet fully immunized against COVID-19, an Israeli television report said Thursday.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/pfizer-ce ... ed-report/

Not sure if that has changed yet. Either way, for those who wanna get vaccinated good on you. You willing to gamble with your lives then kudos. All this nonsense about the uncertainties on the long-term side effects of the vaccine outweigh the known effects of COVID-19. Cause you know for certain that the long-term side effects of the vaccine are non-existent ain't it. All this talk to coerce people to take the vaccine. Even falsifying things like the Pfizer CEO took the vaccine. No he did not as, as of March 5 2021, he and his delegation could not enter Israel as they were not fully vaccinated. But u guys will twist those facts to suit your agendas. Good luck with that rushed vaccine. Nothing will change my mind when it comes to taking it. Best of luck to those who already have. Just an FYI, the UK, one of the countries with the highest vaccination rate, has delayed easing restrictions due to the new variant. But the vaccine is the solution. No?

[elec2020]

How is it debunked the man clearly did an interview and was hesitant to take his own product until public pressure ....claimed that you didn't want to cut the line lol well ok

that ceo talk was debunked a long time ago

they say whatever they want to push their agenda. Think for yourself. Take a vaccine where the long-term side effects are unkown (not even a year has passed since vaccinations started). Or chance it with a virus whose death rates and infection rates have been artificially raised due to using faulty PCR tests and recording anyone who died within a set time period (in the UK its 28 days, idk what it was for America or what it is for TnT but knowing us we probably copy paste what those countries do) who had a positive covid test as a covid death. I know what I will be doing...

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n352

“People are not dying from, but with, covid-19.” “Deaths classified as from covid-19 result from largely false positive polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test results,” “deaths are mostly from other causes and underlying conditions,” “death numbers are grossly inflated,” “there is no excess mortality compared with other years or months,” and this is “no different from a normal flu season.”

[Dohplaydat]

Cool don't take the vaccine, when new strains develop and set us back to square one, it won't be your fault at all.

[Habit7]

Our hope of getting 800K doses of J&J from South Africa will have to be put on hold...

[elec2020]

Cool don't take the vaccine, when new strains develop and set us back to square one, it won't be your fault at all.

i would love to see how that is proven beyond a reasonable doubt as, THE VACCINE DOES NOT STOP YOU FROM GETTING OR SPREADING THE VIRUS. Case in point:

The Seychelles is causing concern for world health experts after a rise of Covid-19 cases among fully vaccinated individuals.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/13/seychel ... urged.html

Scientists advising the government had warned of a "significant resurgence" in people needing hospital treatment for Covid-19 if stage four of easing the lockdown went ahead on 21 June. It comes amid rising cases, driven by the more transmissible Delta variant, which was first identified in India.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57476776

both countries with high vaccination rates and both countries experiencing rising cases. Surely its the unvaccinated that caused that. Surely.

[Dohplaydat]

Cool don't take the vaccine, when new strains develop and set us back to square one, it won't be your fault at all.

i would love to see how that is proven beyond a reasonable doubt as, THE VACCINE DOES NOT STOP YOU FROM GETTING OR SPREADING THE VIRUS. Case in point:

The Seychelles is causing concern for world health experts after a rise of Covid-19 cases among fully vaccinated individuals.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/13/seychel ... urged.html

Scientists advising the government had warned of a "significant resurgence" in people needing hospital treatment for Covid-19 if stage four of easing the lockdown went ahead on 21 June. It comes amid rising cases, driven by the more transmissible Delta variant, which was first identified in India.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57476776

both countries with high vaccination rates and both countries experiencing rising cases. Surely its the unvaccinated that caused that. Surely.

You have to be a troll, no person is this stupid right?

This has literally been known 6 to 7 months now, not all vaccines are equal. The mRNA are next gen top performers, the Sinopharm definitely has some issues but it's made in the traditional way, so it is very much safe. Effective, not so much at stopping the spread but it will save your life and prevent you from getting it bad.

What vaccine you get will help overall, we will all eventually get much better vaccines next year but just take whatever is available now as every person who gets it is one less death and hospitalisation.

[Habit7]

You have to be a troll, no person is this stupid right?

Don't get vex because you too were pushing that Seychelles story and the ineffectiveness of Sinopharm when the reality was that hospitalisation was mostly with the unvaccinated and the vaccinated were asymptomatic.

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You have to be a troll, no person is this stupid right?

Don't get vex because you too were pushing that Seychelles story and the ineffectiveness of Sinopharm when the reality was that hospitalisation was mostly with the unvaccinated and the vaccinated were asymptomatic.

Ofc I'm still pushing it, no one should trust China. They aren't accountable for anything. It's upsetting to me because depending so much on Sinopharm only prolongs the lockdown here. We need better vaccines and there's tonnes of evidence to support this now.

But that said, I still recommend to everyone that they should take it, some immunity and prevention of serious illness is far better than nothing.

One can be pro vaccination, anti China/Sinopharm and still recommend people take their vaccine. Read my arguments clearly.

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Cool don't take the vaccine, when new strains develop and set us back to square one, it won't be your fault at all.

i would love to see how that is proven beyond a reasonable doubt as, THE VACCINE DOES NOT STOP YOU FROM GETTING OR SPREADING THE VIRUS. Case in point:

The Seychelles is causing concern for world health experts after a rise of Covid-19 cases among fully vaccinated individuals.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/13/seychel ... urged.html

Scientists advising the government had warned of a "significant resurgence" in people needing hospital treatment for Covid-19 if stage four of easing the lockdown went ahead on 21 June. It comes amid rising cases, driven by the more transmissible Delta variant, which was first identified in India.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57476776

both countries with high vaccination rates and both countries experiencing rising cases. Surely its the unvaccinated that caused that. Surely.

When vaccinated Seychelles is compared to unvaccinated Trinidad; Trinidad has twice the number of COVID-19 infections and fifteen times the number of COVID-19 deaths.

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But being anti-Sinopharm in T&T right now is anti-vaxx because Sinopharm is the only widely available WHO-approved vaccine that is proven to reduce the risk of hospitalisation and death.

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When vaccinated Seychelles is compared to unvaccinated Trinidad; Trinidad has twice the number of COVID-19 infections and fifteen times the number of COVID-19 deaths.

No

You are not correcting for the proportion of the population, Seychelles is 90K ppl while T&T is 1.4M. Plus the Delta variant is more virulent than our Gamma variant.

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When vaccinated Seychelles is compared to unvaccinated Trinidad; Trinidad has twice the number of COVID-19 infections and fifteen times the number of COVID-19 deaths.

No

You are not correcting for the proportion of the population, Seychelles is 90K ppl while T&T is 1.4M. Plus the Delta variant is more virulent than our Gamma variant.

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i was now going to comment on that. As well as the size of the country. Seychelles got 657 new cases yesterday and there population is 90k and most of them have been vaccinated. Why is it that the case numbers so high? The vaccine not working awa? To add on to this, Seychelles just over the land size and pop size of tobago but tobago ain't getting those kinda numbers and the vaccination in Tobago is nowhere close to Seychelles.