gay marriage legal in USA...

[desifemlove]

Its ok to be gay if you're a Hindu.

FYI

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-33265987

But why all this fuss about lesbians, you may ask. Is it a plot against women? Is it forbidden in the Kama Sutra? Has Indian society traditionally frowned upon gay people? Not really.

For example, in the Laws of Manu, which are more than 2,000 years old, and lay down rules for everything, the prescribed punishment for homosexuality is taking a bath with your clothes on, after which you are purified.

Kautilya's Artha Shastra, an economic and political treatise, takes a more economic view of the matter, and suggests a small fine. The Kama Sutra provides detailed instructions for homosexual acts, as it does for everything else.

The Sushruta Samhita was a medical treatise written around 600 BC by Sushruta, one of the greatest medical men in history. He figured out how to reconstruct noses, amongst other things. He defines types of homosexual behaviour, and states clearly that sexual orientation is something that is determined at birth. He drew a distinction between transgenders and homosexuals.

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-faith-column/2009/04/gay-homosexuality-vaishnavism

The historical approach to homosexuality within Vaishnava Hinduism is quite opposite from that of the Abrahamic faiths. Whereas the latter punished homosexuality harshly in ancient times but has since softened its stance, Hinduism has no history of persecuting homosexuals until after the arrival of Islamic and British (Christian) influence. Ancient Vedic texts mildly discourage homosexual behavior for brahmanas or priests but do not criminalize it for the common citizen. On the contrary, Vedic texts describe homosexual citizens serving as dancers, artisans, barbers, house attendants and prostitutes well within the purview of ancient Vedic society.

Hinduism is a lot more laidback dan Christianity and Islam. i will expect flames and ting from Christians/Muslims, but reality ent no obstacle. No Hindus prozeltyse, or make Hindu states, no ISIS, INquisitions, holy wars, etc.

[bluefete]

Hinduism is a lot more laidback dan Christianity and Islam. i will expect flames and ting from Christians/Muslims, but reality ent no obstacle. No Hindus prozeltyse, or make Hindu states, no ISIS, INquisitions, holy wars, etc.

Gandhi Is Killed By A Hindu; India Shaken, World Mourns; 15 Die In Rioting In Bombay Three Shots Fired
Slayer is Seized, Beaten After Felling Victim on Way to Prayer

By Robert Trumbull
Special to The New York Times
January 30, 1948

New Delhi, India, Jan. 30 -- Mohandas K. Gandhi was killed by as assassin's bullet today. The assassin was a Hindu who fired three shots from a pistol at a range of three feet.

The 78-year-old Gandhi, who was the one person who held discordant elements together and kept some sort of unity in this turbulent land, was shot down at 5:15 P. M. as he was proceeding through the Biria House gardens to the pergola from which he was to deliver his daily prayer meeting message.

The assassin was immediately seized.

He later identified himself as Nathura Vinayak Godse, 36, a Hindu of the Mahratta tribes in Poona. This has been a center of resistance to Gandhi's ideology.

Mr. Gandhi died twenty-five minutes later. His death left all India stunned and bewildered as to the direction that this newly independent nation would take without its "Mahatma" (Great Teacher).

The loss of Mr. Gandhi brings this country of 300,000,000 abruptly to a crossroads. Mingled with the sadness in this capital tonight was an undercurrent of fear and uncertainty, for now the strongest influence for peace in India that this generation has known is gone.

[Communal riots quickly swept Bombay when news of Mr. Gandhi's death was received. The Associated Press reported that fifteen persons were killed and more than fifty injured before an uneasy peace was established.]

Appeal Made By Nehru

Prime Minister Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru, in a voice choked with emotion, appealed in a radio address tonight for a sane approach to the future. He asked that India's path be turned away from violence in memory of the great peacemaker who had departed.

Mr. Gandhi's body will be cremated in the orthodox Hindu fashion according to his often expressed wishes. His body will be carried from his New Delhi residence on a simple wooden cot covered with a sheet at 11:30 tomorrow morning. The funeral procession will wind through every principal street of the two cites of New and old Delhi and reach the burning ghats on the bank of the sacred Jumna River at about 4 P. M. There the remains of the greatest Indian since Gautama Buddha will be wrapped in a sheet, laid on a pyre of wood and burned. His ashes will be scattered on the Jumna's waters, eventually to mingle with the Ganges where the two holy rivers meet at the temple city of Allahabad.

These simple ceremonies were announced tonight by Pandit Nehru in respect to Mr. Gandhi's wishes, although many of the leaders desired that his body be embalmed and exhibited in state. India will see the last of Mr. Gandhi as it saw him when he lived -- ha humble and unassuming Hindu.

News Spreads Quickly

News of the assassination of Mr. Gandhi -- only a few days after he had finished a five-day fast to bring about communal friendship -- spread quickly through New Delhi. Immediately there was spontaneous movement of thousands to Biria House, home of G. D. Biria, the millionaire industrialist, where Mr. Gandhi and his six secretaries had been guests since he came to New Delhi in the midst of the disturbances in India's capital.

While walking through the gardens to this evening's prayer meeting Mr. Gandhi had just reached the top of a short flight of brick steps, his slender, brown arms around the shoulders of his granddaughters, Manu, 17, and Ava, 20.

Someone spoke to him and he turned from his granddaughters and gave the appealing Hindu salute- palms together and the points of the fingers brought to the chin as in a Christian attitude of prayer.

At once a youngish Indian stepped from the crowd- which had opened to form a pathway for Mr. Gandhi's walk to the pergola- and fired the fatal shots from a European made pistol. One bullet struck Mr. Gandhi in the chest and two in the abdomen on the right side. He seemed to lean forward and then crumpled to the ground. His two granddaughters fell beside him in tears.

Crowd Is Stunned

A crowd of about 500, according to witnesses, was stunned. There was no outcry or excitement for a second or two. Then the onlookers began to push the assassin more as if in bewilderment than in anger.

The assassin was seized by Tom Reiner of Lancaster, Mass., a vice consul attached to the American Embassy and a recent arrival in India. He was attending Mr. Gandhi's prayer meeting out of curiosity, as most visitors to New Delhi do at least once.

Mr. Reiner grasped the assailant by the shoulders and shoved him toward several police guards. Only then did the crowd begin to grasp what had happened and a forest of fists belabored the assassin as he was dragged toward the pergola where Mr. Gandhi was to have prayed. he left a trail of blood.

Mr. Gandhi was picked up by attendants and carried rapidly back to the unpretentious bedroom where he had passed most of his working and sleeping hours. As he was taken through the door Hindu onlookers who could see him began to wail and beat their breasts.

Less than half an hour later a member of Mr. Gandhi's entourage came out of the room and said to those about the door:

"Bapu (father) is finished."

But it was not until Mr. Gandhi's death was announced by All India Radio, at 6 P. M. that the words spread widely.

Assassin Taken Away

Meanwhile the assassin was taken to a police station. He identified himself as coming from Poona.

It was remarked that the first of three attempts on Mr. Gandhi's life was made in Poona on June 25, 1934, when a bomb was thrown at a car believed to be Mr. Gandhi's. Poona is a center of the extremist anti-Gandhi orthodox Hindu Mahasabha (Great Society).

The second possible attempt to assassinate Mr. Gandhi was by means of a crude bomb planted on his garden wall on Jan. 20 of this year.

The only statement known to have been made by the assassin was his remark to a foreign correspondent: "I am no at all sorry."

He is large for a Hindu and was dressed in gray slacks, blue pullover and khaki bush jacket. His pistol, which was snatched from him immediately after the shooting by Royal Indian Air Force Flight Sergeant D. R. Singh, contained four undischarged cartridges.

Lying on a wooden cot in his bedroom, Mr. Gandhi said no word before his death except to ask for water. Most of the time he was unconscious. When he was pronounced dead by his physician, weeping members of his staff covered the lower half of his face with a sheet in the Hindu fashion and the women present sat on the floor and chanted verses from the sacred scriptures of the Hindus. Those who could see these ceremonies through the windows knew then that Mr. Gandhi had expired.

Pandit Nehru arrived at about 6 o'clock. Silently and with burning eyes he inspected the spot where Mr. Gandhi was shot and then went into the house without a word. Later he stood high on the front gate of Biria House and related the tentative funeral arrangements to several thousand persons gathered in the street and blocking all traffic. His voice shook with grief and hundreds in the crowd were weeping uncontrollably.

Several thousand mourners formed orderly and quiet queues at all doors leading into Biria House and for a time they were permitted to file past the body. Later when it became evident that only a small fraction of the gathering would be able to view Mr. Gandhi's remains tonight, the body was taken to a second-floor balcony and placed on a cot fitted under a floodlamp so all in the grounds would see their departed leader.

His head was illuminated by a lamp with five wicks representing the five elements- air, light, water, earth, and fire- and also to light his soul to eternity according to Hindu belief.

Pandit Nehru delivered Mr. Gandhi's valedictory in his radio address late this evening. In a quivering voice he said:

"Gandhi has gone out of our lives and there is darkness everywhere. The father of our nation is no more- no longer will we run to him for advice and solace. This is a terrible blow to millions and millions in this country.

"Our light has gone out, but the light that shone in this country was no ordinary light. For a thousand years that light will be seen in this country and the world will see it... Oh, that this has happened to us! There was so much more to do."

Referring to the assassin Pandit Nehru said:

"I can only call him a madman."

He pleaded for a renewed spirit of peace, which had been Mr. Gandhi's last project, saying:

"His spirit looks upon us- nothing would displease him more than to see us indulge in violence. All our petty conflicts and difficulties must be ended in the face of this great disaster...In his death he has reminded us of the big things in life."

[bluefete]

Anyway, back to the topic.

I saw this and was flabbergasted by the 'stretch' and the lies!

http://www.upworthy.com/there-are-6-scr ... say?c=ufb4


There are 6 Scriptures about homosexuality in the Bible. Here's what they really say.
Erica Williams Simon Curator: Erica Williams Simon

I'm the daughter of two ministers and still spend every Sunday in church, so I grew up studying the Bible pretty closely. But in all my years, I've never heard the scriptures about homosexuality explained this way. I've had the pleasure of meeting this guy, and I can tell you that, like me, he loves his faith very much. So who better to explain and challenge it? What he found just might be a game changer.
First one is free... so are the rest. Daily.



The video above does a really great job of explaining Matthew Vines' own story and also contextualizing these Scriptures (because we all know that Scriptures out of context can cause misinterpretation at best and d-r-a-m-a at worst), so I encourage you to watch it.

But, for a quick overview, here are the six specific passages that he explains:
The Story of Sodom & Gomorrah (Genesis 19)

This story in Genesis 19 is probably the most popular passage used to condemn homosexuality. Here is how Vines explains it:

"God sends two angels disguised as men into the City of Sodom where the men of Sodom threatened to rape them. The angels blind the men, and God destroys the city. For centuries, this story was interpreted as God's judgment on same-sex relations, but the only form of same-sex behavior described is a threatened gang rape. "

So gang rape = not good (also not the same thing as homosexuality). But the recap of Sodom & Gomorrah found in Ezekial 16:49 highlights the real point of the story:

"Now, this was the sin of your sister, Sodom. She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed, and unconcerned, they did not help the poor and needy."

In other words, everyone using this story as evidence of the sin of homosexuality, might be missing the point entirely.
When God calls homosexuality an abomination
(Leviticus 18:22) (Leviticus 20:13)

Yep. We've all heard that Leviticus is where the Bible straight-up says that homosexual behavior is an abomination. And yes, it does. It also says that homosexuals should receive the death penalty (!!!). It also says the same thing about eating pork or shellfish, charging interest on loans, and a whole bunch of other restrictions that were a part of the Old Testament Law Code.

But for Christians, the Old Testament doesn't (dare I say "shouldn't?") settle any issue because Romans 10:4 says that Christ is the end of the law. Which is probably why most Christians today eat meat, use credit cards, wear makeup, and support equality for women. Because, as Hebrews 8:13 says, "the old law is obsolete and aging."

When people turn away from God (Romans 1:26-27)

"Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones; in the same way, men committed shameful acts with other men and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

This is where Vines does a great job of explaining the cultural context. In Biblical times, same-sex behavior was primarily seen as happening between adult men and adolescent boys (masters and servants — yikes), via prostitution, and by men who were married to women.

In all of those cases, we can see why it would have been viewed as sinful, excessive, lustful, and against God's law. But he makes no mention of love, commitment, faithfulness, or the type of same-sex relationships that are at question in the debate around marriage. (By the way, Paul also says that men having long hair is "unnatural" and that women shouldn't speak in church, so it's clear Paul himself may have had some issues of his own.)

Uses of the Greek works "Malakoi" and "Arsenokoitai"
(1 Corinthians 6:9-10) (1 Timothy 1:10)

These words are included in the New Testament's lists of people who will not inherit God's kingdom. And there has been much debate over their original meaning. (Translating ancient words is hard, guys.) Some believe them to mean homosexuality and sodomy, whereas others have said that the closest modern translation would be "dirty old men." Ha! Here's how Vines explains it:

Many modern translators have rendered these terms as sweeping statements about gay people, but the concept of sexual orientation didn't even exist in the ancient world. Yes, Paul did not take a positive view of same-sex relations (nor did he support women speaking in church...), but the context he was writing in is worlds apart from gay people in committed, monogamous relationships. The Bible never addresses the issues of sexual orientation or same-sex marriage, so there's no reason why faithful Christians can't support their gay brothers and sisters.

Fascinating, right?

http://www.upworthy.com/there-are-6-scr ... say?c=ufb4

What a blatant, flaming lie! Marriage, as established by God, was clearly between a man and a woman.

Genesis 2:

22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

24 Therefore, shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Marriage between a man and a woman was ordained at the dawn of civilization.

I don't see God putting Adam to sleep and making another man and marrying them off.

[RASC]

Its ok to be gay if you're a Hindu.

FYI

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-33265987

But why all this fuss about lesbians, you may ask. Is it a plot against women? Is it forbidden in the Kama Sutra? Has Indian society traditionally frowned upon gay people? Not really.

For example, in the Laws of Manu, which are more than 2,000 years old, and lay down rules for everything, the prescribed punishment for homosexuality is taking a bath with your clothes on, after which you are purified.

Kautilya's Artha Shastra, an economic and political treatise, takes a more economic view of the matter, and suggests a small fine. The Kama Sutra provides detailed instructions for homosexual acts, as it does for everything else.

The Sushruta Samhita was a medical treatise written around 600 BC by Sushruta, one of the greatest medical men in history. He figured out how to reconstruct noses, amongst other things. He defines types of homosexual behaviour, and states clearly that sexual orientation is something that is determined at birth. He drew a distinction between transgenders and homosexuals.

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-faith-column/2009/04/gay-homosexuality-vaishnavism

The historical approach to homosexuality within Vaishnava Hinduism is quite opposite from that of the Abrahamic faiths. Whereas the latter punished homosexuality harshly in ancient times but has since softened its stance, Hinduism has no history of persecuting homosexuals until after the arrival of Islamic and British (Christian) influence. Ancient Vedic texts mildly discourage homosexual behavior for brahmanas or priests but do not criminalize it for the common citizen. On the contrary, Vedic texts describe homosexual citizens serving as dancers, artisans, barbers, house attendants and prostitutes well within the purview of ancient Vedic society.

Hinduism is a lot more laidback dan Christianity and Islam. i will expect flames and ting from Christians/Muslims, but reality ent no obstacle. No Hindus prozeltyse, or make Hindu states, no ISIS, INquisitions, holy wars, etc.

No Holy Wars?
You clearly aren't a Hindu making those statements... Refuse to believe that.

[DFC]

What does Gandhi have to do with Gays?

Gandhi and Jesus both preached non-violence, both died horribly because of their beliefs.

One of them supposed to come back on a raptor in the future,

[zoom rader]

What does Gandhi have to do with Gays?

Gandhi and Jesus both preached non-violence, both died horribly because of their beliefs.

One of them supposed to come back on a raptor in the future,

Men still confused in this chead.
This ched is about US same sex law and not religious beliefs.

[bluefete]

What does Gandhi have to do with Gays?

Gandhi and Jesus both preached non-violence, both died horribly because of their beliefs.

One of them supposed to come back on a raptor in the future,

Men still confused in this chead.
This ched is about US same sex law and not religious beliefs.

What is the law built on?

[zoom rader]

What does Gandhi have to do with Gays?

Gandhi and Jesus both preached non-violence, both died horribly because of their beliefs.

One of them supposed to come back on a raptor in the future,

Men still confused in this chead.
This ched is about US same sex law and not religious beliefs.

What is the law built on?

US civil rights

[bluefete]

So as someone asked before: Does thislaw now mean that religious bodies will be compelled to marry gays and lesbians or does it only apply to civil marriages?

[meccalli]

lol.

US civil rights

[zoom rader]

So as someone asked before: Does thislaw now mean that religious bodies will be compelled to marry gays and lesbians or does it only apply to civil marriages?

If US religious bodies refuses to carry it out, they can always register, like in trini warden office weddings.

[1UZFE]

So as someone asked before: Does thislaw now mean that religious bodies will be compelled to marry gays and lesbians or does it only apply to civil marriages?

Good question.
I hope the religious bodies will.be able to deny gay marriages. The US hav shut down businesses that refused to deal with gays.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Once again, LAW of a country its now LEgal for Gay marriages, However I draw the line where gay couples now want to force their rights to get married in the Church, and have a Priest perform the deed.

The LAW an Politics MUST NEVER interfere into beliefs of a Religion, they should and must NEVER try to persuade or change or modify anything as it pertains to the Religion.

You want to get married to the same sex- Fine, but go to your white house or your government building and go do it, DONT expect or hope to get married in the Church.

THIS

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I can agree with that, but then should religion be allowed to affect laws?

[mark2.0]

Gays in Jamaica are seeking permission for a public rally/march in support of the U.S. Ruling, hoping to promote the same in their country.

[Advent]

I doh understand allyuh yuh know, hindus and muslims here in trinidad can marry a 8 year old girl (pedophilia) but two grown adults marrying is an issue, stuepes

[Les Bain]

What does Gandhi have to do with Gays?

Gandhi and Jesus both preached non-violence, both died horribly because of their beliefs.

One of them supposed to come back on a raptor in the future,

One came back and started the ministry of sweet riffs.

[shady23]

I doh understand allyuh yuh know, hindus and muslims here in trinidad can marry a 8 year old girl (pedophilia) but two grown adults marrying is an issue, stuepes

Erm, you living in a different Trinidad? No they can't.

[Advent]

I doh understand allyuh yuh know, hindus and muslims here in trinidad can marry a 8 year old girl (pedophilia) but two grown adults marrying is an issue, stuepes

Erm, you living in a different Trinidad? No they can't.

sorry 14 year olds

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

I doh understand allyuh yuh know, hindus and muslims here in trinidad can marry a 8 year old girl (pedophilia) but two grown adults marrying is an issue, stuepes

Erm, you living in a different Trinidad? No they can't.

sorry 14 year olds

"You must be 18 years of age to marry in Trinidad and Tobago, but exemptions may be granted on religious grounds. The minimum age for Muslim marriages is 12 years old. The minimum age for Hindu marriages is 16 years old. Please contact the Registrar General for information on how to apply for an age exemption."

http://www.ttconnect.gov.tt/gortt/portal/ttconnect/FamilyServices/Getting+Married

[dougla_boy]

good guy Duane, educating the ignorant.......

[Advent]

good guy Duane, educating the ignorant.......

It's still 12 years Douglas boy sigh...

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[Duane 3NE 2NR]

good guy Duane, educating the ignorant.......

I'm not sure if these marriages need to be consummated to complete the process.

[dougla_boy]

all marriages need to be consummated....thats like ending a sentence......

[zoom rader]

good guy Duane, educating the ignorant.......

It's still 12 years Douglas boy sigh...

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When last you heard or know of someone that got married at 12?
This not 50 years ago

[Advent]

good guy Duane, educating the ignorant.......

It's still 12 years Douglas boy sigh...

Sent from my GT-I9190 using Tapatalk

When last you heard or know of someone that got married at 12?
This not 50 years ago

but exemptions may be granted on religious grounds. The minimum age for Muslim marriages is 12 years old.

it may not be 50 years ago, but why is this still around ?

[zoom rader]

good guy Duane, educating the ignorant.......

It's still 12 years Douglas boy sigh...

Sent from my GT-I9190 using Tapatalk

When last you heard or know of someone that got married at 12?
This not 50 years ago

but exemptions may be granted on religious grounds. The minimum age for Muslim marriages is 12 years old.

it may not be 50 years ago, but why is this still around ?

Religions reasons like the law states.

[bluefete]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/0 ... 99832.html

Pat Robertson: Gays Will Force Christians To Like Anal Sex And, Eventually, Polyamory And Bestiality
The Huffington Post | By Curtis M. Wong

Posted: 04/03/2015 11:26 am EDT Updated: 04/03/2015 11:59 am EDT




Right-wing televangelist Pat Robertson tackled the recent controversy over Memories Pizza, which became Indiana's first business to publicly declare that they won't cater to same-sex weddings in the wake of the state's Religious Freedom Restoration Act this week.

"Most gays, if they're having a wedding, don't want pizzas -- they want cake," Robertson told "700 Club" viewers, according to Right Wing Watch. "It's the cake-makers that are having a problem."

Still, he warned Christian business owners of all types that gay customers will eventually "make you conform to them."

"You're gonna say that you like anal sex, you like oral sex, you like bestiality," he added. "Sooner or later, you're going to have to conform your religious beliefs to the group of some abhorrent thing. It won't stop at homosexuality."

Noting that Christian beliefs will "come under assault" until polyamory and polygamy are acceptable, too, Robertson lamented, "It's a weird world we're living in."

The comments aren't too surprising, particularly given Robertson's recent history of anti-gay sentiments. In Febuary, he argued that a Washington state judge's ruling that a florist had discriminated against a gay couple by refusing to provide flowers for their wedding was also indicative of society's eventual embrace of bestiality.

He asked, “To tell a florist that she’s got to provide flowers for a particular kind of wedding? What if somebody wanted to marry his dog? She’s got to have flowers for that?"

[ruffneck_12]

You mean just like how Christians force their beliefs on other people?

Gays does stand up in City Gate with a megaphone preaching bout the stimulation of the almighty prostate?

[ruffneck_12]

You think they will convert anybody?

You think people does be like : "hmm da man on the road say to take piggy, so I go take piggy"

Why you so worried? Unless your mind is easily influenced by random people preaching by the road?

[dougla_boy]

Clearly the outlandish homophobes are latent homosexuals.