The Religion Discussion

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Does God Exist - Things to Consider -

Once you're ready to ask the question, "does God exist?" here are a few observations to consider as you begin your search for an objective answer:

Discoveries in astronomy have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that the universe did, in fact, have a beginning. There was a single moment of creation.

Advances in molecular biology have revealed vast amounts of information encoded in each and every living cell, and molecular biologists have discovered thousands upon thousands of exquisitely designed machines at the molecular level. Information requires intelligence and design requires a designer.

Biochemists and mathematicians have calculated the odds against life arising from non-life naturally via unintelligent processes. The odds are astronomical. In fact, scientists aren't even sure if life could have evolved naturally via unintelligent processes. If life did not arise by chance, how did it arise?

The universe is ordered by natural laws. Where did these laws come from and what purpose do they serve?Philosophers agree that a transcendent Law Giver is the only plausible explanation for an objective moral standard. So, ask yourself if you believe in right and wrong and then ask yourself why. Who gave you your conscience? Why does it exist?

People of every race, creed, color, and culture, both men and women, young and old, wise and foolish, from the educated to the ignorant, claim to have personally experienced something of the supernatural. So what are we supposed to do with these prodigious accounts of divine healing, prophetic revelation, answered prayer, and other miraculous phenomena? Ignorance and imagination may have played a part to be sure, but is there something more?

[matr1x]

Lol. I put the kids away last night and it's a busy day ahead. Family obligations and all that

[matr1x]

My dad is a Carib Hindu and mom is an Indian Muslim. I learned from both faiths growing up and got my exposure to Christianity when I went to Secondary school. It was catholic.

I had a lengthy explanation for my views of the different religious beliefs in terms of how each views faith and discovery, but tuner decided that connection timeout was more fun. I will try to delve as I get time today.

Will that be cool?

[eitech]

Doh beat up

[matr1x]

I need to address something astronomy related. The concept of the beginning being a particular point or at a particular time is one of the more challenging aspects.

The universe and time began at the same time. So asking what was before the big bang is like asking what is north of the Noth pole.

Since the universe exploded everywhere, finding the center is like trying to find the center on the surface of a sphere.

[bluesclues]

Steups. According to big bang theory the universe exploded from a single point of contraction. What crap are yu talking about exploding everywhere. Exploding from a single point means it expanded from that one point of super dense mass.

Not saying bigbang theory is correct. Unless you speaking about oscillation theory, which i doubt you're learned enough to even know about. *cough*

[Daran]

The Big Bang theory is correct for the most part. However, we still don't know some of the specifics of how it happened but we do know for a fact it happened. It's more likely that the Big Bang is series of cycles of explosions then contractions. And if that's the case the universe has no real beginning but has just existed. Why it exists, or how intelligence came into being is a mystery. A minding freaking philosophical mystery that will probably never be answered. I don't dismiss the idea of a "God" outright. There possibly is something more to the universe than simply physical existence. But our feeble man made religions are just our simplistic attempts to explain what we don't and probably will never understand.

[matr1x]

What we are talking about is one of the finer points of cosmology.

Depending on when in history you were born, an acceptable fact of astronomy now could have gotten you killed back then.


That is religion

[maj. tom]

Just some clarification, blues. The Big Bang happened everywhere. It's quite a misconception that it happened at a single point and expanded, like an explosion. It happened everywhere, every point of space time came into existence at t=0 (we have only been able to measure back to t=10^-34 s). It happened where you are sitting now, inside you, 2 billion light years away. There is no centre or edge and every part is expanding.

Also we can never measure anything before t=0 seconds; physicists know this, they don't even try, it's absolutely impossible to know. So where the universe came from is quite a question, which we will never know, and never venture to know. Human curiosity and imagination extrapolates that there is something before t=0, but that is wrong too, because time came into existence at that point also. It's weird if you think about it, but since there will never be any evidence before t=0 s, there is nothing to measure.

[bluesclues]

Aahahaha of course.. it happened everywhere because at that single point of contracted super dense mass..WAS EVERYWHERE and there was no spacetime outside of that area. And spacetime expanded with the mass of space(according to science)

This all because they cant explain why the universe appears to be growing(creating more darkmatter). Rofl. Hahah dude.. bigbang scientists dont know their ass from their elbow. Keep following that stuff, its as hollow as you are inside.

#birdsofafeather.

Ps.. didnt read past your first sentence. Once my garbage quota gets filled i stop work. You dont know 1 quarter of a half of a cent multiplied by.000001^13940000 of what you're talking about.

Pls.. dont try anymore. Pls.

[bluesclues]

Pls guys dont do this. Pls dont argue this with me you have no idea how it makes you look to me from here. Really.. its actually.... painful.

No really.. my stomach tickles and hurts slightly to read some of the stuff you guys believe and invest in so heavily. I know you dont know better, but its how you generally posture urselves as beacons of scientific knowledge and intelligence.. but to me i feel pain when this is how you present your 'knowledge'. Omg im done. I getting pain just thinking about what you trying to explain and justify there hahaha.. im done.

[bluesclues]

Listen.. most of you will die believing in the big bang... and you know what. Thats fine. You wont be the first nor the last to die on this planet 'not knowing everything and having some misconceptions'. Bottom line is you're not sure of anything. Because science itself is not sure and just to hold it up while they work they had to create a fictional science category(theoretical physics) so they can supplant options to see which ones fit best, until they are totally discarded for the right thing when it is ACTUALLY DISCOVERED.

So put all your faith in science..but i and most religious ppl choose to believe that all the intracacies we see, the safet measures put in place and natural progressions in a dynamic environment as the work of intelligence. An intelligence that was around before man, before the earth and before the big bang. I got no issues with that and find no fault in that being regardless of the suffering in this space because i know the difference betweehn 'here' and 'there' now.

I mean imagine prisoners in jail. Sent there for murder and instead of try to rethink and repent their actions they take up issue with the guards, the judge and jury, the government, the system and everyone else but themselves and the fact that they recourse to murder when upset. Well the place in question does not accept recourse to murder and those who think it must be expelled. So you got expelled and now you hate where you are because you didnt appreciate where you were... in free society able to drink rum on you back porch but now you in jail and you cant even walk to the park to stretch your legs and feed the pidgeons. So you take up issue with the system and the boss of the system that put you here.

And the funny thing is... logical and intelligent as you lot think you are... you REALLLY THINK THAT IS GOING TO WORK AND YOU WILL GET LET OUT OF JAIL FOR GOOD BEHAVIOUR.

And you even DEMAND it. Man. I tell your brains are failing you. Reaaaaaaal bad.

[Dizzy28]

My dad is a Carib Hindu and mom is an Indian Muslim. I learned from both faiths growing up and got my exposure to Christianity when I went to Secondary school. It was catholic.

I had a lengthy explanation for my views of the different religious beliefs in terms of how each views faith and discovery, but tuner decided that connection timeout was more fun. I will try to delve as I get time today.

Will that be cool?

What is a carib hindu??

[matr1x]

A person of Carib descent who follows Hindu faith

[matr1x]

You do know that cosmology and astronomy have a pretty good idea the cause of expansion in the universe. Have you met an astronomer or astrophysicist by the way?

You know who has no clue? Pastors. They can't explain genesis in light of cosmic evidence.

Here is a question that could have gotten you burned back in the day.


Choose the best estimate of the diameter of the Earth.

A. 1,000 miles.
B. 10,000 miles.
C. 100,000 miles.
D. 1,000,000 miles.
E. 10,000,000 miles

[matr1x]

There is something that needs to be made clear.

There are many areas of studies in science.

Aspects you are referring to is cosmology, which astronomers, astrophysicist, and cosmological scientists tackle those questions.
They never claimed to have all of the answers, but have enough data and experimental evidence to disprove supernatural sources for these observations. Are there further questions? Yup, and these are currently being tackled.

Pastors and religious folks have to constantly shift their positions when cosmic questions are answered. Most basic: the stars are not on a glass sphere. And the sun not earth is the center of the solar system

[eitech]

There is something that needs to be made clear.

There are many areas of studies in science.

Aspects you are referring to is cosmology, which astronomers, astrophysicist, and cosmological scientists tackle those questions.
They never claimed to have all of the answers, but have enough data and experimental evidence to disprove supernatural sources for these observations. Are there further questions? Yup, and these are currently being tackled.

Pastors and religious folks have to constantly shift their positions when cosmic questions are answered. Most basic: the stars are not on a glass sphere. And the sun not earth is the center of the solar system

How do you explain that they have enough data and experimental evidence to disprove all the "supernatural" stuff, but yet still don't have all the answers for the "natural". Jus by reasoning it seems a bit far fetched. I mean to have that data would be awesome and then the "natural" would be child's play now.

[eitech]

There is something that needs to be made clear.

There are many areas of studies in science.

Aspects you are referring to is cosmology, which astronomers, astrophysicist, and cosmological scientists tackle those questions.
They never claimed to have all of the answers, but have enough data and experimental evidence to disprove supernatural sources for these observations. Are there further questions? Yup, and these are currently being tackled.

Pastors and religious folks have to constantly shift their positions when cosmic questions are answered. Most basic: the stars are not on a glass sphere. And the sun not earth is the center of the solar system

How do you explain that they have enough data and experimental evidence to disprove all the "supernatural" stuff, but yet still don't have all the answers for the "natural". Jus by reasoning it seems a bit far fetched. I mean to have that data would be awesome and then the "natural" would be child's play now.

Don't tell me they tried proving supernatural forces with finite tools/ equipment. Or, they went looking to photograph God with a camera. Lol

[pugboy]

no flat earth talk in this thread ?

That is the current topic on practically all religious debates these days

[maj. tom]

Science has never disproved supernatural stuff. It just proved there was a natural explanation for everything tested thus far. You have a hypothesis. You test it with experiments. Repeat. Gather results. Create conclusion based on results and hypothesis. The experiment can be repeated to yield the same expected results.

No scientist ever tried disproving supernatural anything. That's like trying to disprove that unicorns exist.

[matr1x]

To Properly explain something, scientific investigation wants to know ALL the processes. As instruments get better, further investigation can be done.

Explain how God made the solar system?

As for flat earth. Stupidest idea ever.

[maj. tom]

no no, the flat earth society website was just a satire joke at first many years ago. The authors were trying to show how science actually works. But then the internetz was full of retards who just took it to another level without understanding that it was a joke. It's just major satire, i honestly don't think there are any real flat earth people out there.

[eitech]

Science has never disproved supernatural stuff. It just proved there was a natural explanation for everything tested thus far. You have a hypothesis. You test it with experiments. Repeat. Gather results. Create conclusion based on results and hypothesis. The experiment can be repeated to yield the same expected results.

No scientist ever tried disproving supernatural anything. That's like trying to disprove that unicorns exist.

Well your other padna is the one who used "disprove supernatural sources". I jus repeated. So take that up with him

[maj. tom]

you're misinterpreting what he said.

"They never claimed to have all of the answers, but have enough data and experimental evidence to disprove supernatural sources for these observations."

Science has done this. Using simple probability based on the results of experimental data testing.

[eitech]

To Properly explain something, scientific investigation wants to know ALL the processes. As instruments get better, further investigation can be done.

Explain how God made the solar system?

As for flat earth. Stupidest idea ever.

Another stupid question is " How God made the solar system?" Lol he probably had a chisel and hammer or he jus spoke it into existence.It's like asking who created God.

[maj. tom]

i don't follow how that's a stupid question. Please explain.

[eitech]

you're misinterpreting what he said.

"They never claimed to have all of the answers, but have enough data and experimental evidence to disprove supernatural sources for these observations."

Science has done this. Using simple probability based on the results of experimental data testing.

Na i aint misinterpret. If they have enough data and what not to disprove the supernatural stuff it must mean they have all the answers in that regard. I already read where they do not have all the answers wrt the natural stuff

[matr1x]

To Properly explain something, scientific investigation wants to know ALL the processes. As instruments get better, further investigation can be done.

Explain how God made the solar system?

As for flat earth. Stupidest idea ever.

Another stupid question is " How God made the solar system?" Lol he probably had a chisel and hammer or he jus spoke it into existence.It's like asking who created God.

Exacly.how did he do that?

[maj. tom]

All i see here is that you just don't want to understand how something works. You are quite afraid of something suddenly making sense and undermining the beliefs that created your psychological foundations since childhood.

Please don't be afraid. You can really see the amazing wonder and beauty of creation as it is without the stories you were told all your life. What if no one told you those stories? how would you discover the natural world around us on your own? Through experiments right?

[eitech]

To Properly explain something, scientific investigation wants to know ALL the processes. As instruments get better, further investigation can be done.

Explain how God made the solar system?

As for flat earth. Stupidest idea ever.

Another stupid question is " How God made the solar system?" Lol he probably had a chisel and hammer or he jus spoke it into existence.It's like asking who created God.

Exacly.how did he do that?

Jus humour me for a moment: there is one Creator, who created the entire universe. Just entertain that thought for a moment. Do you think you can ever fathom how he created the universe? U might try to understand but you never will.