Give Illegals Amnesty Now !

[racedriverpro]

Illegal means they did not satisfy specific criteria/criterion to be here. Send them back at the earliest date possible!!! Hard luck orange fox.

[Habit7]

This is nothing to do with race baiters.

The PNM are not obligated to make a statement but it is needed. What i sense instead is that buffers are sent out encouraging their supporters to run around like headless chicken with their propaganda and conspiracy theories on radio approx 6 months before general elections instead of telling your supporters what are the facts and the position on the matter. Once is PP bashing, the pnm don't have to say anything at all.

Dude you bouncing from pillar to post trying to implicate PNM even when you agree that they are silent. I expect that from ZR not from you.

Many supporters of the PP call in Morning Panchayat, Ground Report and Maha Sabha Strikes Back and express views that they are free to have as independent citizens. That doesn't mean that PP is responsible for their statements.

[The_Honourable]

This is nothing to do with race baiters.

The PNM are not obligated to make a statement but it is needed. What i sense instead is that buffers are sent out encouraging their supporters to run around like headless chicken with their propaganda and conspiracy theories on radio approx 6 months before general elections instead of telling your supporters what are the facts and the position on the matter. Once is PP bashing, the pnm don't have to say anything at all.

Dude you bouncing from pillar to post trying to implicate PNM even when you agree that they are silent. I expect that from ZR not from you.

Many supporters of the PP call in Morning Panchayat, Ground Report and Maha Sabha Strikes Back and express views that they are free to have as independent citizens. That doesn't mean that PP is responsible for their statements.

I'm not saying the PNM are responsible for their statements. Sitting back, allowing it to happen and smiling to yourself because it benefits you and the party is the issue. I agree, they are free independent citizens. But when you call in programs declaring yuhself "PNM till i dead" or "i z a pnm" then make propaganda statements, you are making yuhself and the party look bad. This is why i say the PNM party should make a statement even though yes, they are not obligated to do so. If the PNM party statement and the supporters opinions don't mesh, then we can draw a line and say this "group" want to cause mischief and does not follow the position of the PNM.

Yes there are some PP supporters do the same with their propaganda and all. When the PP makes a statement, we know what is their position on the matter... whether the statement given to the public is BS or not. As i mentioned earlier, i see why they don't want to say anything... it's a monkey pants issue for them BUT by not saying anything, it comes across that the party is allowing their supporters to spread propaganda, where the latter is not the best way to deal with it.

[The_Honourable]

Just saw this on fb. Not sure if it is official.

[RASC]

This is nothing to do with race baiters.

The PNM are not obligated to make a statement but it is needed. What i sense instead is that buffers are sent out encouraging their supporters to run around like headless chicken with their propaganda and conspiracy theories on radio approx 6 months before general elections instead of telling your supporters what are the facts and the position on the matter. Once is PP bashing, the pnm don't have to say anything at all.

Dude you bouncing from pillar to post trying to implicate PNM even when you agree that they are silent. I expect that from ZR not from you.

Many supporters of the PP call in Morning Panchayat, Ground Report and Maha Sabha Strikes Back and express views that they are free to have as independent citizens. That doesn't mean that PP is responsible for their statements.

That is why I have to ask this person if he's a communist.
Because clearly living in a democracy is too much freedom for him to swallow.

The PNM nor the PP doesn't have to do jack $#1t to quell statements being made by their supporters. He wants to make it seem like the PNM must be some over arching nanny state. The PNM fought for our independence and freedoms plus our ability to say what we want and/or feel.

Stop trying to take us back with your rhetoric. Ppl on both sides say foolishness 24/7. Must the PP issue a statement for the racist ZR or UML also for all the propaganda they consistently spread? Please. Get real.

[zoom rader]

,^^^ Nazi noise

[richgold1000]

orangefox, where are you from honestly?

Why the interest ?

Why does it matter ?

Comment and move on.

They should all go back. We have a lot of trinis who need work. Why should they cut into that.

[UML]

‘Absurd and dangerous’

By JANELLE DE SOUZA Wednesday, December 10 2014


ATTORNEY GENERAL Anand Ramlogan, responding yesterday in the Senate to allegations of racial profiling in the Immigration Department following the deportation last weekend of 11 Africans, defended law enforcement agencies and described such allegations as, “absurd and dangerous.”

On the deportation of 11 African nationals last Sunday, Emancipation Support Committee (ESC) head Khafra Kambon claimed the Immigration Division unfairly targetted Africans for deportation.

Kambon also called on Government to establish an Independent Review Committee to examine the details of illegal immigrants’ cases.

But speaking during debate yesterday in the Senate, Attorney General Ramlogan refuted these claims. He stated, according to Immigration records from 2010 to now, the highest number of illegal immigrants deported are from Guyana at 41.8 percent or 734 persons.

The next highest number of deportees were from Jamaica at 18.5 percent, followed by other Caribbean countries at 11.4 percent, Asia at 10.2 percent, Central and South America at 6.5 percent and other CARICOM countries at 5.7 percent. Africa was seventh on the list at four percent or 70 deportees.

“We have a tendency in Trinidad and Tobago to call upon the law enforcement authorities to do their duty and enforce the law. Yet having called upon them so to do, when they enforce the law and take action, the very same people come now and criticise and condemn the law enforcement officers,” Ramlogan said.

The Attorney General added that the “latest trend” is to claim racial or religious profiling whenever someone is arrested. He said it was high time to stop such “hypocritical behaviour” and allow the police and other law enforcement officials to do their jobs.

He referenced the many protests in the United States over that country’s grand jury decision not to indict a white police officer, Darren Wilson, for the shooting death of unarmed black teenager Michael Brown, on August 9 in Ferguson, Missouri.

The grand jury’s decision triggered major protests in Ferguson with persons setting fire to cars, breaking into and looting stores and hundreds engaging in street protests.

Ramlogan accused such persons making and/or perpetuating claims of racial profiling in local arrests and deportations of trying to light a social flame that may very well not be controlled on the heels of the events in Ferguson.

He added, the statistics showed that the claims of discrimination were “arrant nonsense.”

“The figures and statistics show that we must reject outright that kind of nonsense, and that kind of absurd allegation against the Government of Trinidad and Tobago... It is mischievous, malicious and very dangerous in a society such as ours,” Ramlogan said.
http://www.newsday.co.tt/news/0,204053.html

Just like Emailgate......the question is will Kambon make a public apology for gross misinformation?

Convenient that the then Minister of National Security Jack Warner cannot conveinently remember a National Security issue/threat like this

[UML]

orangefox, where are you from honestly?

Why the interest ?

Why does it matter ?

Comment and move on.

They should all go back. We have a lot of trinis who need work. Why should they cut into that.

not only work!!

strain on health care, education, social services, CRIME, judicial system, housing, you name it..it is affected!

[SR]

Immigration officials need to take a walk down charlotte st on a friday and do spot checks...... same for central market let them start doing their jobs instead of sitting in bars ar 7am in the morning in pos

[BRZ]

Immigration officials need to take a walk down charlotte st on a friday and do spot checks...... same for central market let them start doing their jobs instead of sitting in bars ar 7am in the morning in pos

Nah man dem wukkers are union protected! sad though

[Dizzy28]

orangefox, where are you from honestly?

Why the interest ?

Why does it matter ?

Comment and move on.

They should all go back. We have a lot of trinis who need work. Why should they cut into that.

Businessmen and farmers will say otherwise. Why is there so much vacancies in the services sector (albeit at low levels) if there are a lot of Trinis who need work. If they truly need work work is there for them.

[teems1]

Why is there so much vacancies in the services sector (albeit at low levels) if there are a lot of Trinis who need work. If they truly need work work is there for them.

Ever heard the phrase everyone wants a job, but nobody wants to work.

It is so much easier to make money without doing actual work. Everyone has an underachiever friend who "made it big" via crime/bribes/government contracts/nepotism/cronyism etc, and sees that as the better alternative to hard work.

[88sins]

Businessmen and farmers will say otherwise. Why is there so much vacancies in the services sector (albeit at low levels) if there are a lot of Trinis who need work.

Keep in mind, a business owner's primary concern about is net profits & how much money HE makes fro his investment. Most usually don't give a ratsfurryass if/how their employees survive on what they pay them, & they are aware that it's not alot these ppl are paid. Additionally many employers have no qualms wrt exploiting workers by either over working them, under paying them or both. There is only so much bs John public will put up with.

Minimum wage is currently $15/hr
A internationally accepted standard work week is 8 hrs/day x 5 days a week=40hrs/week x $15/hr=TT$600.00/week
Then deduct NIS & H/Surcharge from that, at a rate of $24.20 & $8.25 respectively & you wind up with a net income of $567.55/week.
Good luck trying to find somebody who might be willing tpo try living on that.

This is where illegal labor enters the equation.

So doh be bashing Trinis when businessmen saying they can't find labor. Many of them really mean they can't find a jackass to ride

[Dizzy28]

Just a FYI Minimum Wage is TT$12.50, it does not become $15 till Jan 1st 2015.

Your point is valid about a living wage but you cant blame a businessman for paying what the law prescribes.

It is also up to Trinidadians to up their skills and abilities so that they do not even have to contemplate minimum wage labour to start with.

[88sins]

but you cant blame a businessman for paying what the law prescribes.

minimum wage means they cannot pay less than that. There's no law against paying above minimum wage, hence your point is pointless

It is also up to Trinidadians to up their skills and abilities so that they do not even have to contemplate minimum wage labour to start with.

Many employers today try to exploit even qualified/trained/skilled workers, by offering & paying salaries far below what their qualifications & skill levels earn them.

A about 3 yrs ago I went to an interview at a well established (& very large) event planning & catering company in T&T, that was looking for someone to fill an accounting & managerial position. Said individual would be the only accountant there. I didn't want the position but I went to see what the job market is like & what salaries companies are offering/paying those days in the current job market.

Their requirements & expectations were:
Applicant with their own vehicle was preferred
Standard office hours would be 7 am-5 pm
Prepare salaries
Prepare & pay all taxes (including vat returns, NIS, H/S, PAYE for a few hundred employees Corp tax etc.)
Job visits (that would require the applicant to work nights, weekends & public holidays when necessary & as we all know, Trini's love to lime on a weekend & holidays) requiring use of applicant's personal vehicle
Collections management - collecting monies outstanding to the company
Payables Management - managing monies owed by the company
Asset Management
One must sit an exam to show them one's proficiency at the aforementioned tasks in order to be considered a suitable applicant.

Remuneration offered:
TT$4200.00/month
10 days vacation/annum-pending approval once it's not inconvenient to the company
Reimbursement for using personal vehicle to complete company business-included in gross salary
Scheduled salary increase-not applicable, salary may increase at the business owner's discretion(found out later on they increase staff salaries by an average of 6% on an unscheduled basis, sometimes 6 years would pass, no raise)
Health/Life insurance-not applicable


I politely thanked her for the information & wished her luck with finding somebody dotish/desperate enough to accept that kind of abuse, & walked out with her looking more than a little confused.

[88sins]

but you cant blame a businessman for paying what the law prescribes.

minimum wage means they cannot pay less than that. There's no law against paying above minimum wage, hence your point is pointless

It is also up to Trinidadians to up their skills and abilities so that they do not even have to contemplate minimum wage labour to start with.

Many employers today try to exploit even qualified/trained/skilled workers, by offering & paying salaries far below what their qualifications & skill levels earn them.

A about 3 yrs ago I went to an interview at a well established (& very large) event planning & catering company in T&T, that was looking for someone to fill an accounting & managerial position. Said individual would be the only accountant there. I didn't want the position but I went to see what the job market is like & what salaries companies are offering/paying those days in the current job market.

Their requirements & expectations were:
Applicant with their own vehicle was preferred
Standard office hours would be 7 am-5 pm
Prepare salaries
Prepare & pay all taxes (including vat returns, NIS, H/S, PAYE for a few hundred employees Corp tax etc.)
Job visits (that would require the applicant to work nights, weekends & public holidays when necessary & as we all know, Trini's love to lime on a weekend & holidays) requiring use of applicant's personal vehicle
Collections management - collecting monies outstanding to the company
Payables Management - managing monies owed by the company
Asset Management
One must sit an exam to show them one's proficiency at the aforementioned tasks in order to be considered a suitable applicant.

Remuneration offered:
TT$4200.00/month
10 days vacation/annum-pending approval once it's not inconvenient to the company
Reimbursement for using personal vehicle to complete company business-included in gross salary
Scheduled salary increase-not applicable, salary may increase at the business owner's discretion(found out later on they increase staff salaries by an average of 6% on an unscheduled basis, sometimes 6 years would pass, no raise)
Health/Life insurance-not applicable


I politely thanked her for the information & wished her luck with finding somebody dotish/desperate enough to accept that kind of abuse, & walked out with her looking more than a little confused.

[zoom rader]

^^^ Be careful bro if have tuners and a PNM mod will say your are anti business .

[88sins]

& they could pucker up & kiss d crack below my back
I doh biznes.
I does call it as ah see it, who eh like it hadda learn to live wid it

[Dizzy28]

^ So what do you think is a a fair salary for the person that's working for the entrepreneur who made the initial investment and took all the risks to start up a business??

If you have a problem with minimum wage take it up with you MP and let him carry it before Parliament to debate.

[The_Honourable]

This is nothing to do with race baiters.

The PNM are not obligated to make a statement but it is needed. What i sense instead is that buffers are sent out encouraging their supporters to run around like headless chicken with their propaganda and conspiracy theories on radio approx 6 months before general elections instead of telling your supporters what are the facts and the position on the matter. Once is PP bashing, the pnm don't have to say anything at all.

Dude you bouncing from pillar to post trying to implicate PNM even when you agree that they are silent. I expect that from ZR not from you.

Many supporters of the PP call in Morning Panchayat, Ground Report and Maha Sabha Strikes Back and express views that they are free to have as independent citizens. That doesn't mean that PP is responsible for their statements.

That is why I have to ask this person if he's a communist.
Because clearly living in a democracy is too much freedom for him to swallow.

The PNM nor the PP doesn't have to do jack $#1t to quell statements being made by their supporters. He wants to make it seem like the PNM must be some over arching nanny state. The PNM fought for our independence and freedoms plus our ability to say what we want and/or feel.

Stop trying to take us back with your rhetoric. Ppl on both sides say foolishness 24/7. Must the PP issue a statement for the racist ZR or UML also for all the propaganda they consistently spread? Please. Get real.

Freedom for supporters to spread propaganda and untruths because it benefits you and your party? ok fine sir. No wonder the country not going anywhere

Back to the topic tho. Since the stats come out, Kafra Kambon should stop now with this race card BS and wait till emancipation as usual to collect a check from the government.

[88sins]

^ So what do you think is a a fair salary for the person that's working for the who made the initial investment and took all the risks to start up a business??

Yes the entrepreneur made the initial investment.
Yes the entrepreneur took a risk in making that. But the real questions you should ask yourself is this. Do you or he think his establishment could've developed to what it is if or it's full potential he did it all by himself & never hired any staff? What makes you think any entrepreneur the right to over-exploit their human resources?

A fair salary that is commensurate with qualification, skills or job requirements is not a complicated thing to calculate. And there are several independent organizations that compile such data, the CSO being one of them.

Let's take it a step further.
Say for example an independent entity with no interest in profits such as the CSO compiles data showing that the average qualified stores clerk earn an average of $100,000 per year, & lets just say minimum wage p.a. is $30,000. And let's just say there are 4 levels of qualification relating to that position. Simply deduct the minimum wage from that average of 100K & divide by four to find what the value of that individual level of qualification is worth.
So therefore
100000-30000=70000/4=17500
So level a person with level 1 qualifications would earn p.a.
30000+17500=47500 p.a./12=3958/month
Level 2 wolud be
30000+(17500x2)=65000 p.a./12=5417/month

Minimum wage would equate to 2500/month. Easy enough to understand right.

If you have a problem with minimum wage take it up with you MP and let him carry it before Parliament to debate.

where did you see me post I have a problem with minimum wage? my initial point states that businessmen are usually more than happy to pay their staff as little as possible & try to avoid paying qualified persons salaries commensurate to their qualifications, skill level or expected production output.

If that is how you interpret what I posted, & your response is your position, then i regret to inform you that the educational system of T&T has failed you.
Ask Santa for some West Indian Reader books & start over from scratch

[Dizzy28]

If you have a problem with minimum wage take it up with you MP and let him carry it before Parliament to debate.

where did you see me post I have a problem with minimum wage? my initial point states that businessmen are usually more than happy to pay their staff as little as possible & try to avoid paying qualified persons salaries commensurate to their qualifications, skill level or expected production output.

If that is how you interpret what I posted, & your response is your position, then i regret to inform you that the educational system of T&T has failed you.
Ask Santa for some West Indian Reader books & start over from scratch

Minimum wage is currently $15/hr
A internationally accepted standard work week is 8 hrs/day x 5 days a week=40hrs/week x $15/hr=TT$600.00/week
Then deduct NIS & H/Surcharge from that, at a rate of $24.20 & $8.25 respectively & you wind up with a net income of $567.55/week.
Good luck trying to find somebody who might be willing tpo try living on that.

So doh be bashing Trinis when businessmen saying they can't find labor. Many of them really mean they can't find a jackass to ride

By this statement I would be the only one who would infer you have no problem with Minimum wage!!

Oh well being illiterate not easy!!

[88sins]

you may infer or perceive to any depths to which your mind may so desire

[RASC]

This is nothing to do with race baiters.

The PNM are not obligated to make a statement but it is needed. What i sense instead is that buffers are sent out encouraging their supporters to run around like headless chicken with their propaganda and conspiracy theories on radio approx 6 months before general elections instead of telling your supporters what are the facts and the position on the matter. Once is PP bashing, the pnm don't have to say anything at all.

Dude you bouncing from pillar to post trying to implicate PNM even when you agree that they are silent. I expect that from ZR not from you.

Many supporters of the PP call in Morning Panchayat, Ground Report and Maha Sabha Strikes Back and express views that they are free to have as independent citizens. That doesn't mean that PP is responsible for their statements.

That is why I have to ask this person if he's a communist.
Because clearly living in a democracy is too much freedom for him to swallow.

The PNM nor the PP doesn't have to do jack $#1t to quell statements being made by their supporters. He wants to make it seem like the PNM must be some over arching nanny state. The PNM fought for our independence and freedoms plus our ability to say what we want and/or feel.

Stop trying to take us back with your rhetoric. Ppl on both sides say foolishness 24/7. Must the PP issue a statement for the racist ZR or UML also for all the propaganda they consistently spread? Please. Get real.

Freedom for supporters to spread propaganda and untruths because it benefits you and your party? ok fine sir. No wonder the country not going anywhere

Back to the topic tho. Since the stats come out, Kafra Kambon should stop now with this race card BS and wait till emancipation as usual to collect a check from the government.

You've totally missed the point of democracy and freedoms of expression.

Every morning there are wackjobs on conservative radio in the united states, who preach divisiveness , undercover racism and Ancient belief systems based on religious text on the radio ALL in the name of the GOP- Does the republican party then every week have to release an official nationwide publication distancing themselves from these clowns? Or vice versa... For the democrats-loony toon liberals talking about levitating, taking multiple husbands and why congress must legalize the right for our children to be taught about the joys of gay marriage in school at an early age-do you think the democrats must then issue an apology distancing themselves from this?

Get it through your skull...ANYONE is legally allowed to support ANY party and hold ANY view on society and how it should be run under the banner of such party WITHOUT the constant monitoring and nanny state policing of the leadership of this party-because actions speak louder than words and democracy allows for such fringe mindsets to exist without fear of persecution.

Anything other than that is NOT DEMOCRACY!! What you are preaching is ANTI DEMOCRACY... A one way trip to North Korea will suit you just fine if this is the world you seek to live in!!

[Habit7]

The_Honourable the UNC should apologise for your views.

[The_Honourable]

The_Honourable the UNC should apologise for your views.

Thanks eh!

You've totally missed the point of democracy and freedoms of expression.

Every morning there are wackjobs on conservative radio in the united states, who preach divisiveness , undercover racism and Ancient belief systems based on religious text on the radio ALL in the name of the GOP- Does the republican party then every week have to release an official nationwide publication distancing themselves from these clowns? Or vice versa... For the democrats-loony toon liberals talking about levitating, taking multiple husbands and why congress must legalize the right for our children to be taught about the joys of gay marriage in school at an early age-do you think the democrats must then issue an apology distancing themselves from this?

Get it through your skull...ANYONE is legally allowed to support ANY party and hold ANY view on society and how it should be run under the banner of such party WITHOUT the constant monitoring and nanny state policing of the leadership of this party-because actions speak louder than words and democracy allows for such fringe mindsets to exist without fear of persecution.

Anything other than that is NOT DEMOCRACY!! What you are preaching is ANTI DEMOCRACY... A one way trip to North Korea will suit you just fine if this is the world you seek to live in!!

I fully understand democracy and freedoms of expression. You still not addressing the part of parties allowing their supporters to spread propaganda because it benefits them which i highly suspect the PNM is doing with this current issue and what PP has done in the past... but i'm a communist ok cool.

[RASC]

[RASC]

[Habit7]

I'm not saying the PNM are responsible for their statements.

You still not addressing the part of parties allowing their supporters to spread propaganda because it benefits them which i highly suspect the PNM is doing with this current issue and what PP has done in the past... but i'm a communist ok cool.

No really, I hope Rienzi distances themselves from your contradictory statements.