Energy Sector Thread - Operators, Engineers, Technicians Et Al

[demented]

Prices are increasing on Ammonia and Methanol:

Ammonia


Methanol

[Redman]

Dragon.
Tell me how does NGC force BP and Shell to sell NGC sufficient gas for PTL and not direct it straight to LNG where they still have 2,3 and 4 under supply contracts and shareholding.
And excellent control of where and who they sell to.

They also have zero liability for shortfalls into PTL.

[De Dragon]

Dragon.
Tell me how does NGC force BP and Shell to sell NGC sufficient gas for PTL and not direct it straight to LNG where they still have 2,3 and 4 under supply contracts and shareholding.
And excellent control of where and who they sell to.

They also have zero liability for shortfalls into PTL.

If by "they" you mean NGC, then you are wrong again . NGC has contracted amounts that it must supply to companies on the Estate. Enforcement of the contracted amount is pointless, as NGC frequently cites(falsely) force majeures in their curtailments, and involves protracted, and costly maneuverings which most companies seem unwilling to undertake. The only use of the contracted amount is to fend off curtailments by NGC by pointing out how much you are already below the contracted amount, and that they should look elsewhere.
The "negotiations" that JUHN Scarfy and Goebbels had with BP/Shell's top brass should have rectified that issue in your first question, but what did we get? Not only continuing to cede ALL power to BP/Shell, but coughing up $300M to fully fund a TAR, to get gas which mysteriously wasn't available, and threatened said Train 1's future operations.
As much as you worship JUHN Scarfy and Goebbels and every thing LFD RFD PNM, they got outfoxed, outmaneuvered and out classed by PP/Shell.

[Cantmis]

This doesn't indicate that we are getting these prices, prices/contracts are negotiated even before construction of a plant.

Prices are increasing on Ammonia and Methanol:

Ammonia


Methanol

[sMASH]

they have their supply contracts to fulfill as well as loans to pay, and outage funding to accrue.
hence why 90% of lng tr1 opted to NOT go ahead with the TAR just yet, they would wait till its more probable they coudl recover that investment.
when they sure they ahve gas to work with, then they would sink dat money. but while it have other things needing that money, they aint gonna fork it out just yet.

and usually tar's does be like a month, some times less, personally never saw one reach two months. so its not like a big deal to over come when they have to do it.
2025 when the time reaching for gas to come online, they could pull the trigger, tar, and take gas as its available.


and jsut like with crude prices, they budget for a certain profit margin. with low prices, they may have to use the windfalls of this quarter to even out the short falls of previous quarters.

they have to plan and budget for a certain amount of down time as well, plants run to the max and suffer wear and tare. they come down for many things. they may not know exactly what, but they have to put asside some cause sumting bong to break and hadda fix.

u never exactly sure when ur bearing hadda change, but u know it will at some point.


400 us a tonne for ammonia/meoh is no kinda money for them. that hadda come up some more. its enough to keep the lights on, but if it dips any more, its less headache to shut down, send every body home, and run fewer plants closer to design capacity rather than all the plant with less than designed a lot less efficiently .


i heard the talk from inside methanex. they using the titan gas contract to ensure they ahve enough gas to run the atlas plant. cause its more efficient, economical and safe to run one plant at design than two plants skating for gas.

[Redman]

Dragon.
Tell me how does NGC force BP and Shell to sell NGC sufficient gas for PTL and not direct it straight to LNG where they still have 2,3 and 4 under supply contracts and shareholding.
And excellent control of where and who they sell to.

They also have zero liability for shortfalls into PTL.

If by "they" you mean NGC, then you are wrong again . NGC has contracted amounts that it must supply to companies on the Estate. Enforcement of the contracted amount is pointless, as NGC frequently cites(falsely) force majeures in their curtailments, and involves protracted, and costly maneuverings which most companies seem unwilling to undertake. The only use of the contracted amount is to fend off curtailments by NGC by pointing out how much you are already below the contracted amount, and that they should look elsewhere.
The "negotiations" that JUHN Scarfy and Goebbels had with BP/Shell's top brass should have rectified that issue in your first question, but what did we get? Not only continuing to cede ALL power to BP/Shell, but coughing up $300M to fully fund a TAR, to get gas which mysteriously wasn't available, and threatened said Train 1's future operations.
As much as you worship JUHN Scarfy and Goebbels and every thing LFD RFD PNM, they got outfoxed, outmaneuvered and out classed by PP/Shell.

They meant BP and Shell.They have zero liability in the shortages to PTL.
They also have little or no shareholding.

NGC has been using FM as a way to avoid liability for the shortfalls but it is not a correct application and really not good business.

You have not answered the Q..

Trains 2,3 and 4 s gas supply are not under the control of the NGC.
So negotiation s of supply to NGC would be limited to the quantity that BP and Shell are willing to supply NGC ....which would be after they...(BP and Shell) supply 2,3 and 4.

So again...the question is
Can you please me how does NGC force BP and Shell to sell NGC sufficient gas for PTL and not direct it straight to LNG where they still have 2,3 and 4 under supply contracts and shareholding.???

[DreamWeaver]

Anybody could confirm if Atlantic Train 1 is back in production and the current estimated mmscf usage per day?

[De Dragon]

Dragon.
Tell me how does NGC force BP and Shell to sell NGC sufficient gas for PTL and not direct it straight to LNG where they still have 2,3 and 4 under supply contracts and shareholding.
And excellent control of where and who they sell to.

They also have zero liability for shortfalls into PTL.

If by "they" you mean NGC, then you are wrong again . NGC has contracted amounts that it must supply to companies on the Estate. Enforcement of the contracted amount is pointless, as NGC frequently cites(falsely) force majeures in their curtailments, and involves protracted, and costly maneuverings which most companies seem unwilling to undertake. The only use of the contracted amount is to fend off curtailments by NGC by pointing out how much you are already below the contracted amount, and that they should look elsewhere.
The "negotiations" that JUHN Scarfy and Goebbels had with BP/Shell's top brass should have rectified that issue in your first question, but what did we get? Not only continuing to cede ALL power to BP/Shell, but coughing up $300M to fully fund a TAR, to get gas which mysteriously wasn't available, and threatened said Train 1's future operations.
As much as you worship JUHN Scarfy and Goebbels and every thing LFD RFD PNM, they got outfoxed, outmaneuvered and out classed by PP/Shell.

They meant BP and Shell.They have zero liability in the shortages to PTL.
They also have little or no shareholding.

NGC has been using FM as a way to avoid liability for the shortfalls but it is not a correct application and really not good business.

You have not answered the Q..

Trains 2,3 and 4 s gas supply are not under the control of the NGC.
So negotiation s of supply to NGC would be limited to the quantity that BP and Shell are willing to supply NGC ....which would be after they...(BP and Shell) supply 2,3 and 4.

So again...the question is
Can you please me how does NGC force BP and Shell to sell NGC sufficient gas for PTL and not direct it straight to LNG where they still have 2,3 and 4 under supply contracts and shareholding.???

If you want to split hairs as usual, not a damn thing.
HOWEVER
JUHN Scarfy and Goebbels in their "negotiations" had to have driven that point of a minimum gas supply to NGC. They were, or should have been fully aware of the situation at Pt. Lisas, and could have used their bargaining position to make this happen. LFD RFD PNM seems content to bow to MN's and pursue a pennywise, pound foolish strategy.

[Joshie23]

Yk, it would be interesting to see the points/data surrounding ALNG, NGC, Producers, Point Lisa's, etc., laid out from start to finish (as in where we are now) and possible solutions, without the name-calling, vitriol, mudslinging, etc.

I mean, we're following the points and you guys are saying brilliant stuff, but I just think there would be more credibility to each poster of the facts were laid out without any apparent bias or anything like that.

Engineers et al, surely we're capable of something like that, right? Please?

[Musical Doc]

Anybody could confirm if Atlantic Train 1 is back in production and the current estimated mmscf usage per day?

Plant down until the 16th I was told

[Redman]

Yk, it would be interesting to see the points/data surrounding ALNG, NGC, Producers, Point Lisa's, etc., laid out from start to finish (as in where we are now) and possible solutions, without the name-calling, vitriol, mudslinging, etc.

I mean, we're following the points and you guys are saying brilliant stuff, but I just think there would be more credibility to each poster of the facts were laid out without any apparent bias or anything like that.

Engineers et al, surely we're capable of something like that, right? Please?

Ignore the opinions here.

Take a look at the experts on the global industry reports/ analysis on TnTs current position...Poten Gas Master Plan ...and
Farrell'sPoint of Inflexion.

Both docs are available in full and in condensed form for presentation.

Read those, see what has been published by GORTT, BP and Shell on what has been done over the years.
There are other international reports that cover the industry and make conclusions.
Read the local press

Form your own opinions.

Come back and discuss.


Same thing for Petrotrin, Solomon Report etc.

[sMASH]

and when u done read all that, check back the news reports. all the plants was running under kamla WITH gas contract negotiations. and the companies decided is water more than flour, time to shutter some plants under, rowley.

[carluva]

Real experts on Trinituner here yes.

Folks here versed in hot taps, tie ins, plant operations, gas redistribution, root cause analysis, welding, CWI, instrumentation, natural gas value chain, natural gas marketing, commercial/legal, energy contracting and energy governance (well at least seem that way but there's no tangible facts or evidence to confirm or refute the same) but yet, none of these knowledge houses effecting a change. Curious, isn't it

[DreamWeaver]

Anybody could confirm if Atlantic Train 1 is back in production and the current estimated mmscf usage per day?

Plant down until the 16th I was told

That's about 1 week to go again. They may be starting back up and going back into production straight away then

[zoom rader]

Real experts on Trinituner here yes.

Folks here versed in hot taps, tie ins, plant operations, gas redistribution, root cause analysis, welding, CWI, instrumentation, natural gas value chain, natural gas marketing, commercial/legal, energy contracting and energy governance (well at least seem that way but there's no tangible facts or evidence to confirm or refute the same) but yet, none of these knowledge houses effecting a change. Curious, isn't it

Hoss we are now an islands of waiters and store clerks.

All the skilled workforce are all gone thanks to the red government.

We are left with idiots like eliteauto, pastor p¤rnhabit 7 and Redman.

[De Dragon]

Yk, it would be interesting to see the points/data surrounding ALNG, NGC, Producers, Point Lisa's, etc., laid out from start to finish (as in where we are now) and possible solutions, without the name-calling, vitriol, mudslinging, etc.

I mean, we're following the points and you guys are saying brilliant stuff, but I just think there would be more credibility to each poster of the facts were laid out without any apparent bias or anything like that.

Engineers et al, surely we're capable of something like that, right? Please?

Ignore the opinions here.

Take a look at the experts on the global industry reports/ analysis on TnTs current position...Poten Gas Master Plan ...and
Farrell'sPoint of Inflexion.

Both docs are available in full and in condensed form for presentation.

Read those, see what has been published by GORTT, BP and Shell on what has been done over the years.
There are other international reports that cover the industry and make conclusions.
Read the local press

Form your own opinions.

Come back and discuss.


Same thing for Petrotrin, Solomon Report etc.

First, stop running down whiteness
Foreigners cannot know more about our decades long industrial employees . Poten, Solomon etc can only recommend changes, and as Covid JUHN Scarfy and Co. have shown, they're quite willing to disregard those recommendations and do much damage to the energy sector.
Poten's major recommendations hinge on BP/Shell giving up the leverage which has made them BILLIONS of dollars in T&T over the years. What is the incentive to do that? Altruism? To be a good corporate citizen?

[sMASH]

Real experts on Trinituner here yes.

Folks here versed in hot taps, tie ins, plant operations, gas redistribution, root cause analysis, welding, CWI, instrumentation, natural gas value chain, natural gas marketing, commercial/legal, energy contracting and energy governance (well at least seem that way but there's no tangible facts or evidence to confirm or refute the same) but yet, none of these knowledge houses effecting a change. Curious, isn't it

320,000 trinis went leffff foot,,,, rittttte fooot. no amount of education, training, skills, experience can compete with that, bruh.

[zoom rader]

Real experts on Trinituner here yes.

Folks here versed in hot taps, tie ins, plant operations, gas redistribution, root cause analysis, welding, CWI, instrumentation, natural gas value chain, natural gas marketing, commercial/legal, energy contracting and energy governance (well at least seem that way but there's no tangible facts or evidence to confirm or refute the same) but yet, none of these knowledge houses effecting a change. Curious, isn't it

320,000 trinis went leffff foot,,,, rittttte fooot. no amount of education, training, skills, experience can compete with that, bruh.

We are left with idiots like eliteauto, pastor p¤rnhabit 7 and Redman.

[K74T]

The National Gas Company of Trinidad and Tobago

There has been a lot of conversation surrounding Point Lisas and the status of plant operations. It should be noted that most plants on the Point Lisas Industrial Estate are operational and under contract with NGC for the supply of natural gas. We have provided a table for your information of plants offline and online as at 8th April 2021.

The following plants went offline and then were restarted on the Point Lisas Industrial Estate (since 1st January 2020):

Nutrien O2 Plant: Offline for market-related conditions - Shut down May 23 2020; restarted Oct 23 2020
Nutrien O3 Plant: Offline for market-related conditions - Shut down Aug 1 2020; restarted March 9 2021
Nutrien O4 Plant: Offline for Maintenance - Shut down Jan 1 2021; and restarted April 5 2021
M2: Temporarily offline due to market conditions from May 18 2020; restarted Sept 25 2020.
M3: Temporarily offline due to market conditions from April 7 2020 to September 11 2020.

NGC’s contractual terms with its customers remain confidential. However, the nature of the global natural gas business has necessitated a shift from long term natural gas supply contracts to shorter-term natural gas supply contracts, in line with proven gas reserve availability and ongoing development programmes. Extending that to the downstream, it means that those downstream natural gas sales contracts must be aligned to this reality.

[Redman]

White people lies.

[De Dragon]

White people lies.

Yeah I guess that's why every single one of them cited gas price and curtailment issues . Somebody is lying and doing damage control.
My money would be on the State enterprise. and not the ones who were forced to shut their plants, lose their markets, and send home their employees.

[sMASH]

Down is Titan, m1(?) , m4, m5 and trinigen 1 or 3, can't remember.
M2 and m3 getting supplied by denovo, so unaffected by anything ngc mandate.
Not sure if the denovo supply also extends to cnc, n2k and aum.
But since denovo came on stream, fellas say the ammonia plants running steady.



When lng tr1 restarts u could vibes back and see which still remain up.

[De Dragon]

Down is Titan, m1(?) , m4, m5 and trinigen 1 or 3, can't remember.
M2 and m3 getting supplied by denovo, so unaffected by anything ngc mandate.
Not sure if the denovo supply also extends to cnc, n2k and aum.
But since denovo came on stream, fellas say the ammonia plants running steady.



When lng tr1 restarts u could vibes back and see which still remain up.

Red Colostomy Bag say different, and ollour lying on NGC. Look de list right dey, he say never mind there are people who know for a fact that these plants weren't idled purely for "market conditions" That is a bald faced lie, and only ignorant and LFD RFD PNM supporters believe that sheit.

[sMASH]

jess like the press release from niquan saying the 'DA-301' vessel ruptured, and the brave boy report that said the 'hydrogen compressor exploded', and the man previously that said its 'physically impossible, to divert gas from pt fortain to pt lisas', every jargon thrown out is just word salads to those not familiar with the industry, and hoping nobody dares to challenge their own ignorance, and ask a follow up question.

[carluva]

Alot of word salad here from you sir.

Amazing how your tank building and piping experience translates to all things operations, the gas value chain and a comprehensive incident analysis from just looking at two pictures and some Facebook posts... All tied together with a political twist.

You'll be surprised to know just how much people on tuner and society have the knowledge but don't need to defend the slurs that empty vessels throw at them.

So I'll leave you to lead by example and ask you to simply answer this... What is your experience in the industry, at what level (contractor, operator/owner, shareholder or government) and how do these enable you to make such contributions to effect a change in the industry?

jess like the press release from niquan saying the 'DA-301' vessel ruptured, and the brave boy report that said the 'hydrogen compressor exploded', and the man previously that said its 'physically impossible, to divert gas from pt fortain to pt lisas', every jargon thrown out is just word salads to those not familiar with the industry, and hoping nobody dares to challenge their own ignorance, and ask a follow up question.

[sMASH]

Alot of word salad here from you sir.

Amazing how your tank building and piping experience translates to all things operations, the gas value chain and a comprehensive incident analysis from just looking at two pictures and some Facebook posts... All tied together with a political twist.

You'll be surprised to know just how much people on tuner and society have the knowledge but don't need to defend the slurs that empty vessels throw at them.

So I'll leave you to lead by example and ask you to simply answer this... What is your experience in the industry, at what level (contractor, operator/owner, shareholder or government) and how do these enable you to make such contributions to effect a change in the industry?

jess like the press release from niquan saying the 'DA-301' vessel ruptured, and the brave boy report that said the 'hydrogen compressor exploded', and the man previously that said its 'physically impossible, to divert gas from pt fortain to pt lisas', every jargon thrown out is just word salads to those not familiar with the industry, and hoping nobody dares to challenge their own ignorance, and ask a follow up question.

yuh lining up ah wuk for meh?

[carluva]

yuh lining up ah wuk for meh?

The industry usually prefers people with less political baggage.

So I'll leave you to lead by example and ask you to simply answer this... What is your experience in the industry, at what level (contractor, operator/owner, shareholder or government) and how do these enable you to make such contributions to effect a change in the industry?

jess like the press release from niquan saying the 'DA-301' vessel ruptured, and the brave boy report that said the 'hydrogen compressor exploded', and the man previously that said its 'physically impossible, to divert gas from pt fortain to pt lisas', every jargon thrown out is just word salads to those not familiar with the industry, and hoping nobody dares to challenge their own ignorance, and ask a follow up question.

yuh lining up ah wuk for meh?

Heed your own advice and defend your ignorance when a follow up question is posed.

[De Dragon]

Alot of word salad here from you sir.

Amazing how your tank building and piping experience translates to all things operations, the gas value chain and a comprehensive incident analysis from just looking at two pictures and some Facebook posts... All tied together with a political twist.

You'll be surprised to know just how much people on tuner and society have the knowledge but don't need to defend the slurs that empty vessels throw at them.

So I'll leave you to lead by example and ask you to simply answer this... What is your experience in the industry, at what level (contractor, operator/owner, shareholder or government) and how do these enable you to make such contributions to effect a change in the industry?

jess like the press release from niquan saying the 'DA-301' vessel ruptured, and the brave boy report that said the 'hydrogen compressor exploded', and the man previously that said its 'physically impossible, to divert gas from pt fortain to pt lisas', every jargon thrown out is just word salads to those not familiar with the industry, and hoping nobody dares to challenge their own ignorance, and ask a follow up question.

Soldier, tanks/vessels/piping doesn't fail catastrophically like that "jess so"
Human error, substandard inspections, poor QA/QC on welds and flanges, incompatible materials, lack of pressure testing and a host of other things cause that type of failure. Asking someone what qualifies them to express an opinion, where in my view had you read some of his posts properly, you would realize that he has much experience, doesn't advance the high brow debate you seem to so deperately crave.
At the end of the day, a newly commissioned plant should not have a failure of this type.

[sMASH]

ey ey, dont shine up the man... i in a second round interview here, getting to kno my experience.
next ting they starting to line up men for the refinery.

[carluva]

Lol

Alot of word salad here from you sir.

Amazing how your tank building and piping experience translates to all things operations, the gas value chain and a comprehensive incident analysis from just looking at two pictures and some Facebook posts... All tied together with a political twist.

You'll be surprised to know just how much people on tuner and society have the knowledge but don't need to defend the slurs that empty vessels throw at them.

So I'll leave you to lead by example and ask you to simply answer this... What is your experience in the industry, at what level (contractor, operator/owner, shareholder or government) and how do these enable you to make such contributions to effect a change in the industry?

jess like the press release from niquan saying the 'DA-301' vessel ruptured, and the brave boy report that said the 'hydrogen compressor exploded', and the man previously that said its 'physically impossible, to divert gas from pt fortain to pt lisas', every jargon thrown out is just word salads to those not familiar with the industry, and hoping nobody dares to challenge their own ignorance, and ask a follow up question.

Soldier, tanks/vessels/piping doesn't fail catastrophically like that "jess so"
Human error, substandard inspections, poor QA/QC on welds and flanges, incompatible materials, lack of pressure testing and a host of other things cause that type of failure. Asking someone what qualifies them to express an opinion, where in my view had you read some of his posts properly, you would realize that he has much experience, doesn't advance the high brow debate you seem to so deperately crave.
At the end of the day, a newly commissioned plant should not have a failure of this type.