1% Attacks stupid Holidays

[Ben_spanna]

How " Convenient" that someone would speak up about work and public holidays when its close to Emancipation holiday, yet it never seemed to be important enough when its Divali or Eid public holidays.



day by day you are seeing the pecking order of this country's priorities according to its leaders.

[MaxPower]

Thank you Venezuelans for your contributions on public holidays.

Let the Trini complainers stay home and sulk, no one cares. And thank you to all the business owners that are paying the Venezuelans MORE than Trinis....its well deserved.

[Slartibartfast]

Im just describing the reality as it exists.


And with out wanting to sound harsh-if there are too many Chem Eng- she should retrain or look elsewhere for work.
Multiple people I know have done so and made it work for them.She isnt the only one with a useless degree.
A degree isnt a garantee of anything.
And no she does not HAVE to take a 4k job-she is free to find some one to pay here

Its easy to conjure up some sinister conspiracy instead of taking a hard look at how you as a person arrived where you are.

Good workers get treated better as they are an asset to the co.
Good employers get better service and performance from employees BECAUSE they treat people better.

Yes there are exceptions on both sides-but that is life.

Easier said than done. A lot of people HAVE to take what they get because their bills keep piling up whether or not they working. So now you talking about people that have no choice but to work for a job below their qualifications, most likely need a second income to make ends meet, while continuing to look for another job because everywhere hires on contract now and you saying that she should just throw away her 5 years of education and 6 years of work experience to re-train to start a new career at 30 years old?

Let's say I fully agree with you. What kind of worker do you expect somebody in this position to be?

BTW, this scenario far more common now than you think.

[Redman]

It isn't supposed to be easy.

Bills piling up equates to all of us....

I'm saying that she isn't stupid....and she should actively seek to improve her situation...at 30 she has another 60 odd years of life....if she wants to anchor herself to the Chem Eng career ....then adapt to the situation and grind it out.

I expect workers to be willing to accept that in 2019 you have to be adaptive and aggressive.

Success is hard work.

[Slartibartfast]

It isn't supposed to be easy.

Bills piling up equates to all of us....

I'm saying that she isn't stupid....and she should actively seek to improve her situation...at 30 she has another 60 odd years of life....if she wants to anchor herself to the Chem Eng career ....then adapt to the situation and grind it out.

I expect workers to be willing to accept that in 2019 you have to be adaptive and aggressive.

Success is hard work.

I mean, let's pretend you are her employer as she is currently retraining herself, working a second job/ side hussle, constantly spending time looking for other jobs and is now coming to terms with the fact that you are making twice as much as her off of the work that she is putting out.

How do you expect her perfomance as your employee to be compared to someone that is able to make a living of that job alone, not looking for another job (knowing that their position is safe once their performance remains good), does not have to work a second job/side hustle part time and does not have to look at trying to retrain themselves? (I know jobs like this no longer exist, just trying to paint a picture for you to understand)

Do you expect person 1 and person 2's performance to be the same (assume all else is equal)?

[MaxPower]

I expect workers to be willing to accept that in 2019 you have to be adaptive and aggressive.

Success is hard work.

Preach it my brother.

And for 2019 and onwards.

[Redman]

It isn't supposed to be easy.

Bills piling up equates to all of us....

I'm saying that she isn't stupid....and she should actively seek to improve her situation...at 30 she has another 60 odd years of life....if she wants to anchor herself to the Chem Eng career ....then adapt to the situation and grind it out.

I expect workers to be willing to accept that in 2019 you have to be adaptive and aggressive.

Success is hard work.

I mean, let's pretend you are her employer as she is currently retraining herself, working a second job/ side hussle, constantly spending time looking for other jobs and is now coming to terms with the fact that you are making twice as much as her off of the work that she is putting out.

How do you expect her perfomance as your employee to be compared to someone that is able to make a living of that job alone, not looking for another job (knowing that their position is safe once their performance remains good), does not have to work a second job/side hustle part time and does not have to look at trying to retrain themselves? (I know jobs like this no longer exist, just trying to paint a picture for you to understand)

Do you expect person 1 and person 2's performance to be the same (assume all else is equal)?

If I'm the employer....I would have taken the risk and responsibilities of setting up and running the business
When our customers don't pay I pay her.
When we need to restock....it's my over draft secured by my jockeyshorts.
When the kidnapping...it's my daughter....not hers that probably is the target .
She goes home or wherever,while I deal with the 24/7 demands.of running the operation.

I fck well deserve the profit and the fruit of my risk taking.

She has the security of a paycheck.
I have the benefits of ownership.

Both pay their respective dividends.

As to her dealing with her life situation....that depends on her attitude and performance.

Is she worth it?
If she is then she will get as much help as I can give.

If she isn't then I have nothing to do and she will leave soon.

[Slartibartfast]

It isn't supposed to be easy.

Bills piling up equates to all of us....

I'm saying that she isn't stupid....and she should actively seek to improve her situation...at 30 she has another 60 odd years of life....if she wants to anchor herself to the Chem Eng career ....then adapt to the situation and grind it out.

I expect workers to be willing to accept that in 2019 you have to be adaptive and aggressive.

Success is hard work.

I mean, let's pretend you are her employer as she is currently retraining herself, working a second job/ side hussle, constantly spending time looking for other jobs and is now coming to terms with the fact that you are making twice as much as her off of the work that she is putting out.

How do you expect her perfomance as your employee to be compared to someone that is able to make a living of that job alone, not looking for another job (knowing that their position is safe once their performance remains good), does not have to work a second job/side hustle part time and does not have to look at trying to retrain themselves? (I know jobs like this no longer exist, just trying to paint a picture for you to understand)

Do you expect person 1 and person 2's performance to be the same (assume all else is equal)?

If I'm the employer....I would have taken the risk and responsibilities of setting up and running the business
When our customers don't pay I pay her.
When we need to restock....it's my over draft secured by my jockeyshorts.
When the kidnapping...it's my daughter....not hers that probably is the target .
She goes home or wherever,while I deal with the 24/7 demands.of running the operation.

I fck well deserve the profit and the fruit of my risk taking.

She has the security of a paycheck.
I have the benefits of ownership.

Both pay their respective dividends.

As to her dealing with her life situation....that depends on her attitude and performance.

Is she worth it?
If she is then she will get as much help as I can give.

If she isn't then I have nothing to do and she will leave soon.

Granted. You are well within your right to do all of that and I do not disagree with anything you said but you still didn't answer the question.

Listen, I'm not blaming business owners for what they do. Companies are established to turn a profit. The market forces dictate. There just appears to be a reality that few seem to be willing to come to terms with.

So what difference in performance would you expect from the two?

[Redman]

I expect that both will perform the same ..am I not paying the same wage to both?

[Slartibartfast]

I expect that both will perform the same ..am I not paying the same wage to both?

Can't tell if you are trolling or completely serious but no, same job, one has a liveable wage and job security. The other does not. You still expect the same from both of them?

[Redman]

You indicated two people working the same job.

Or I thought that's what you meant.

How do you expect her perfomance as your employee to be compared to someone that is able to make a living of that job alone

So same job
Same salary
Same expectation.

That said we make accommodations all the time based on the person's needs.
We are not beasts....most employer s are not.
But the employee has to recognize that there attitude and disposition are a massive part of how they are dealt with at the workplace.

Trolling is for children

[Slartibartfast]

You indicated two people working the same job.

Or I thought that's what you meant.

How do you expect her perfomance as your employee to be compared to someone that is able to make a living of that job alone

So same job
Same salary
Same expectation.

That said we make accommodations all the time based on the person's needs.
We are not beasts....most employer s are not.
But the employee has to recognize that there attitude and disposition are a massive part of how they are dealt with at the workplace.

Trolling is for children

Again, nothing wrong with what you saying. So the two people in my earlier example are analogous to someone working a job today vs. Someone working the same job 30 years ago. Same job but vastly different purchasing power (end result of salary). Is the current result (in some cases) really that surprising to you still?

[Redman]

It cant be surprising.
But its up to an individual to make the right choices so as not to end up with a crap job.

So if a job is paying a wage that is not sufficient-based on the job itself...then no one would take it.

[Ben_spanna]

Seen it many times right where I am.
2 people with similar background, both with almost no responsibilities, same pay, same hours.
One had his mind made up, does what he can to save and put aside money for his future, other idiot cant wait for a Friday afternoon to go out and buy a bess sneakers and clothing, then comes next week crying how the management too wicked and dem dont pay he enough!
Guess what! in the end their futures turn out very different, one takes responsibility for his actions and does what he can.. buys his own car eventually, goes to after school classes and betters himself and makes a future.
The other "FOOL" with his blame everyone else attitude still catching his ass, complaining about how expensive everything is now, doesn't own anything and is probably still out there working to no end in sight , BUT he still has the newest phone and sneakers!

[Slartibartfast]

It cant be surprising.
But its up to an individual to make the right choices so as not to end up with a crap job.

So if a job is paying a wage that is not sufficient-based on the job itself...then no one would take it.

Unless there is a vast surplus of labour in the job market like there has been in TnT for the better part of the last decade. Even then you have some jobs that pay such a crappy wage that people still not taking so businesses turning to people even more desperate for work and posting job listings in spanish.

You seem to be willfully ignorant of a lot of the reality of the local job market facing the youth. I made every "right" decision I could and I have a decent job now but I know even then most of it was due to luck, chance and coincidence as there are many people (some from my same year in university) that made all the same decisions and with vastly different results.

I think the problem is people refuse to see the other side of the issue. Business owners (not you, but many) underpay workers, make them work unpaid overtime and give them little to no job security and benefits and then wonder why they have such low performance and high turnover. Younger people are still having difficulty coming to terms with the fact that we live in a different world than the ones their parents grew up in where you need more that just "hard work" and "good decisions" to make it. Especially now when who you know plays a bigger role than what you can do. So disenchanted youth (in some cases) no longer bother trying.

Business now see employees under performing but they still need to make their profits to stay in business so they do what seems obvious to remain competitive by cutting overheads. Keep workers on contract (so they can be fired without severance as profits dip), encourage workers to work overtime without pay, reduce benefits or higher cheaper labour. Then you have some companies that just greedy and do this just to take advantage of the situation.

It's a negative feedback loop perpetuated by people not caring to see the other side's problems. I'm not saying you do this personally but a lot of companies do.

TL:DR The situation is far more nuanced that just saying "all locals/ young people entitled and lazy" or "all business just greedy and taking advantage of job scarcity"

P.S. There are a lot of talented and hard working locals and youth out there looking for work. It is the job of the HR professional to find them. If you find yourself stuck with lazy or bad workers and you are one of the companies that treat your employees good, then you need to look at your recruitment process and/or your work culture. I'm talking from experience and I'm thinking mostly about those public entities or companies that survive off of government contracts attained through methods other than open tendering and/or good previous performance. I could name names if you want some good and bad examples.

[Slartibartfast]

Seen it many times right where I am.
2 people with similar background, both with almost no responsibilities, same pay, same hours.
One had his mind made up, does what he can to save and put aside money for his future, other idiot cant wait for a Friday afternoon to go out and buy a bess sneakers and clothing, then comes next week crying how the management too wicked and dem dont pay he enough!
Guess what! in the end their futures turn out very different, one takes responsibility for his actions and does what he can.. buys his own car eventually, goes to after school classes and betters himself and makes a future.
The other "FOOL" with his blame everyone else attitude still catching his ass, complaining about how expensive everything is now, doesn't own anything and is probably still out there working to no end in sight , BUT he still has the newest phone and sneakers!

Cool story bro, sounds like you grew up in the 90's. Luck, chance and who you know matters more than hard work and dedication now. Hard work and dedication greatly increases you chances though so I try my best and encourage others to do the same. Plenty people out there still understand this but sadly some people don't and give up trying.

But just because someone poor or in a bad life situation does not automatically mean that they didn't work as hard or dedicate themselve just as much or more than people that in a better situation. Sadly, on tuner people seem to equate money with self worth.

[Redman]

Nothing you describe is new,uncommon or unique to Trinidad.

[Slartibartfast]

Nothing you describe is new,uncommon or unique to Trinidad.

Of course not. The complaints and problems aren't either.