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Wraith King wrote:PariaMan wrote:No sir the consequence cannot simply be your health when your action can result in the death of immunocompromised individuals who for medical reasons cannot take the vaccine
If your are saying the consequence is just the health of the individual then every attempt must be made to ensure he does not transmit the disease if infected it's just logical
In some countries it is a crime to knowly transmit the aids virusPariaMan wrote:So why not give the employer the right to protect his vaccinated workers and customers and those who cannot for medical reasons take the vaccine ?
That's the free choice I want to see
This is the view that is beginning to spread
New York now demanding proof of vaccine for in house dining
By all means refuse but live with all the consequences of your actionsWraith King wrote:PariaMan wrote:I am all for free choice
But with free choice must come acceptance of the consequences of free choice
The consequences in this case will be ones health. Segregation cannot logically be a consequence of free choice.
Taking the vaccine can cause probable side effects including death. Are businesses going to accept liability and a murder charge for making it mandatory?
Your comparison of AIDS to Covid is not fitting.
PariaMan wrote:People can get blood clot
People die from heart complications
He had triple bypass
There is no way to prove he died because of the vaccine
There because 2 things happen one after the other does not mean they are relatedWraith King wrote:PariaMan wrote:Here we go again with hearsay evidence of people being affected
I am not collecting any data so I have to go with what those who are collecting say and they say noone who is fully vaccinated has died in Trinidad
I can personally say I know no one with lasting side effects however I personally know at least 20 people who have died from the virusshake d livin wake d dead wrote:There are several people who experienced major side effects with AZ right in Trinidad. From death, paralysis from waist down, clots leading to strokes/heart attacks, rashes etc etc.
The thing is, those in authority are not pursuing the matter further because of the potential increase in vaccine hesitant people. Trotman made a BIG blunder recently when she spoke of the deaths associated with the vaccine.
Europe has thousands of cases with adverse side effects to AZ....so why is it all hearsay in trinidad? Or why is it not being highlighted as in other countries?
Posting this for the third time today.
https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/man-dies-8-days-after-taking-covid-vaccine-6.2.1315873.9da1deb7cb
There are other suspected cases that haven't made the news.
PariaMan wrote:Reality
That man was obviously unhealthy
He got sick after taking the vaccine and died
Without vaccine or virus people die
If neither of the 2 was present guess more than 12000 people will die in Trinidad every year
If every one was to be vaccinated more than 12000 will die after taking vaccine
PariaMan wrote:Looks what's happening around the world widen you vision
More and more employees are demanding workers get vaccinated
I have no problem with choice but let employers be free to choose to only have vaccinated employees
Wraith King wrote:PariaMan wrote:People can get blood clot
People die from heart complications
He had triple bypass
There is no way to prove he died because of the vaccine
There because 2 things happen one after the other does not mean they are relatedWraith King wrote:PariaMan wrote:Here we go again with hearsay evidence of people being affected
I am not collecting any data so I have to go with what those who are collecting say and they say noone who is fully vaccinated has died in Trinidad
I can personally say I know no one with lasting side effects however I personally know at least 20 people who have died from the virusshake d livin wake d dead wrote:There are several people who experienced major side effects with AZ right in Trinidad. From death, paralysis from waist down, clots leading to strokes/heart attacks, rashes etc etc.
The thing is, those in authority are not pursuing the matter further because of the potential increase in vaccine hesitant people. Trotman made a BIG blunder recently when she spoke of the deaths associated with the vaccine.
Europe has thousands of cases with adverse side effects to AZ....so why is it all hearsay in trinidad? Or why is it not being highlighted as in other countries?
Posting this for the third time today.
https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/man-dies-8-days-after-taking-covid-vaccine-6.2.1315873.9da1deb7cb
There are other suspected cases that haven't made the news.
Tunnel vision.
PariaMan wrote:Make it mandatory with the employee being free to leave the job if he feels so inclined
No reason to bring liability into the argument]
Dohplaydat wrote:Wraith King wrote:PariaMan wrote:People can get blood clot
People die from heart complications
He had triple bypass
There is no way to prove he died because of the vaccine
There because 2 things happen one after the other does not mean they are relatedWraith King wrote:PariaMan wrote:Here we go again with hearsay evidence of people being affected
I am not collecting any data so I have to go with what those who are collecting say and they say noone who is fully vaccinated has died in Trinidad
I can personally say I know no one with lasting side effects however I personally know at least 20 people who have died from the virusshake d livin wake d dead wrote:There are several people who experienced major side effects with AZ right in Trinidad. From death, paralysis from waist down, clots leading to strokes/heart attacks, rashes etc etc.
The thing is, those in authority are not pursuing the matter further because of the potential increase in vaccine hesitant people. Trotman made a BIG blunder recently when she spoke of the deaths associated with the vaccine.
Europe has thousands of cases with adverse side effects to AZ....so why is it all hearsay in trinidad? Or why is it not being highlighted as in other countries?
Posting this for the third time today.
https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/man-dies-8-days-after-taking-covid-vaccine-6.2.1315873.9da1deb7cb
There are other suspected cases that haven't made the news.
Tunnel vision.
Literally your view is the definition of tunnel vision.
40-50 people die from heart attacks every week in Trinidad.
35000 people taking the vaccine weekly.
Let them investigate but taking a side without looking at the big picture is tunnel vision.
Wraith King wrote:PariaMan wrote:No
As a judgement in the USA an employee is always free to leave a job if he does not agree to the terms and conditions
Freedom of choice cannot simply be limited to favour some individuals and not othersWraith King wrote:PariaMan wrote:So why not give the employer the right to protect his vaccinated workers and customers and those who cannot for medical reasons take the vaccine ?
That's the free choice I want to see
This is the view that is beginning to spread
New York now demanding proof of vaccine for in house dining
By all means refuse but live with all the consequences of your actionsWraith King wrote:PariaMan wrote:I am all for free choice
But with free choice must come acceptance of the consequences of free choice
The consequences in this case will be ones health. Segregation cannot logically be a consequence of free choice.
The free choice you want to see are discrimination to human rights. If an employer wants to make vaccination mandatory let him accept liability.
Unless you are saying the vaccine is mandatory in the USA, then that point is not applicable in this arguement as in most countries including Trinidad you are free to refuse a job if you do not agree to the terms and conditions.
Dizzy28 wrote:Paria Man is mistaking America's right to work system where employers have all the power to our common law system.
88sins wrote:PariaMan wrote:Make it mandatory with the employee being free to leave the job if he feels so inclined
No reason to bring liability into the argument]
Hold on, lemme see if I got this right.
You want to make it mandatory to force an employee must take an unknown foreign substance into his body that he does not want and that he cannot remove, and if he doesn't he must resign to save you the employer the cost of having to pay him his severance package, when you the employer are simultaneously and blatantly stating that you not going to accept any legal or financial liability in the event said employee suffers complications from taking the vaccine that you insist he MUST take to retain his employment?
If that's what you attempting to say, then boi you would have to be a madman and nobody would take you seriously.
Understand this.
With authority comes two things, responsibility and accountability. So if you as an employer think that you should have the authority to compel employees to take the vaccine, then you must be willing to bear the responsibility of the consequences your actions may have on others. If not, and you try that crap with the wrong employee, boi the amount of legal and physical problems you would have it eh funny.
The people that claim to want authority without responsibility or accountability, there's a name for those.
They're called Pu$$ie$.
88sins wrote:If not, and you try that crap with the wrong employee, boi the amount of legal and physical problems you would have it eh funny.
Dizzy28 wrote:Paria Man is mistaking America's right to work system where employers have all the power to our common law system.
Wraith King wrote:88sins wrote:PariaMan wrote:Make it mandatory with the employee being free to leave the job if he feels so inclined
No reason to bring liability into the argument]
Hold on, lemme see if I got this right.
You want to make it mandatory to force an employee must take an unknown foreign substance into his body that he does not want and that he cannot remove, and if he doesn't he must resign to save you the employer the cost of having to pay him his severance package, when you the employer are simultaneously and blatantly stating that you not going to accept any legal or financial liability in the event said employee suffers complications from taking the vaccine that you insist he MUST take to retain his employment?
If that's what you attempting to say, then boi you would have to be a madman and nobody would take you seriously.
Understand this.
With authority comes two things, responsibility and accountability. So if you as an employer think that you should have the authority to compel employees to take the vaccine, then you must be willing to bear the responsibility of the consequences your actions may have on others. If not, and you try that crap with the wrong employee, boi the amount of legal and physical problems you would have it eh funny.
The people that claim to want authority without responsibility or accountability, there's a name for those.
They're called Pu$$ie$.
It's baffling that asking for vaccine liability is an issue.
redmanjp wrote:Wraith King wrote:88sins wrote:PariaMan wrote:Make it mandatory with the employee being free to leave the job if he feels so inclined
No reason to bring liability into the argument]
Hold on, lemme see if I got this right.
You want to make it mandatory to force an employee must take an unknown foreign substance into his body that he does not want and that he cannot remove, and if he doesn't he must resign to save you the employer the cost of having to pay him his severance package, when you the employer are simultaneously and blatantly stating that you not going to accept any legal or financial liability in the event said employee suffers complications from taking the vaccine that you insist he MUST take to retain his employment?
If that's what you attempting to say, then boi you would have to be a madman and nobody would take you seriously.
Understand this.
With authority comes two things, responsibility and accountability. So if you as an employer think that you should have the authority to compel employees to take the vaccine, then you must be willing to bear the responsibility of the consequences your actions may have on others. If not, and you try that crap with the wrong employee, boi the amount of legal and physical problems you would have it eh funny.
The people that claim to want authority without responsibility or accountability, there's a name for those.
They're called Pu$$ie$.
It's baffling that asking for vaccine liability is an issue.
it shouldn't be mandatory for an EUA vax but you can give them a choice- either take the vax or be subjected to increased health requirements such as regular pcr testing- every 2 weeks. i would do every week as some pl salary migth be less than that cost.
No. You got that one wrong.Computerman wrote:I resemble that remark.88sins wrote:If not, and you try that crap with the wrong employee, boi the amount of legal and physical problems you would have it eh funny.
"Employment at Will"Dizzy28 wrote:Paria Man is mistaking America's right to work system where employers have all the power to our common law system.
The issue is can you make an EUA vaccine mandatory. Yes! But it will not stand up in court! The US Military tried with the anthrax vaccine. They were taken to court. They eventually lost! Had to immediately stop their mandatory vaccinations. Magically the manufacturer was able to get the vaccine fully approved within one year of losing their contract. The US military re-instituted mandatory vaccination for select personnel. This time it was accepted because the manufacturer will held accountable should anything go wrong!
timelapse wrote:Question for you guys talking about approvals and all that.
If the vaccines get approved, will you be getting vaccinated?
Or do you have another reason lined up?
j.o.e wrote:timelapse wrote:Question for you guys talking about approvals and all that.
If the vaccines get approved, will you be getting vaccinated?
Or do you have another reason lined up?
They gonna say the approval come too fast and they don’t trust it. Always a story with the vaccine hesitant
88sins wrote:@Wraith
And who paying for this frequent extremely invasive & uncomfortable pcr testing where they shove a 9" stick up your nose every 2 weeks, when the cheapest test is almost $1000?
Thing is this, vaccinated or not, symptomatic or not, exposed or not, EVERYONE has to continue to maintain the current protocols in an effort to reduce contracting and spreading the virus.
So if you have successfully avoided contracting the virus by following those protocols, you don't NEED to get vaccinated to avoid contracting the virus
(which is not something any current vaccine can do anyway), so then vaccination is basically prophylactic and a secondary level of potential protection to an extent in the event that the primary protections fail.
My view is this.
As long as a worker maintains physical distance, wears a mask properly at all times on the job, is provided with a means to sanitize himself and his immediate work environment, and is not symptomatic (the day you show symptoms of infection you on automatic unpaid suspension for 30 days and can only return to work earlier if you provide a negative pcr test st your own expense, same pcr test is required if you opt use your mask as a chin diaper), that should suffice to safeguard all workers and customers in the workplace to a large degree, moreso than the vaccine can.
Me personally, I got no problem openly admitting it. I'll be opting out of their vaccination campaign, and
n obody but me decides what goes into my body. No random arsehole that thinks that he has some form of control over my body because he pays me a salary for a serviceor function I supply him with so he can make money.
And sure as hell not some overdressed table thumping jackass and his minions. Whether they make it mandatory by law or not. My body, my choice, nobody else's.
PariaMan wrote:We had all those protocols in place and we have 2 deaths and numerous hospitalization
That is without Delta
I hope they make it mandatory soon
Really cannot deal with more dead co-workers
Trump White House.88sins wrote:@Wraith
And who paying for this frequent extremely invasive & uncomfortable pcr testing where they shove a 9" stick up your nose every 2 weeks, when the cheapest test is almost $1000?
Thing is this, vaccinated or not, symptomatic or not, exposed or not, EVERYONE has to continue to maintain the current protocols in an effort to reduce contracting and spreading the virus.
So if you have successfully avoided contracting the virus by following those protocols, you don't NEED to get vaccinated to avoid contracting the virus
(which is not something any current vaccine can do anyway), so then vaccination is basically prophylactic and a secondary level of potential protection to an extent in the event that the primary protections fail.
My view is this.
As long as a worker maintains physical distance, wears a mask properly at all times on the job, is provided with a means to sanitize himself and his immediate work environment, and is not symptomatic (the day you show symptoms of infection you on automatic unpaid suspension for 30 days and can only return to work earlier if you provide a negative pcr test st your own expense, same pcr test is required if you opt use your mask as a chin diaper), that should suffice to safeguard all workers and customers in the workplace to a large degree, moreso than the vaccine can.
Me personally, I got no problem openly admitting it. I'll be opting out of their vaccination campaign, and
n obody but me decides what goes into my body. No random arsehole that thinks that he has some form of control over my body because he pays me a salary for a serviceor function I supply him with so he can make money.
And sure as hell not some overdressed table thumping jackass and his minions. Whether they make it mandatory by law or not. My body, my choice, nobody else's.
PariaMan wrote:We had all those protocols in place and we have 2 deaths and numerous hospitalization
That is without Delta
I hope they make it mandatory soon
Really cannot deal with more dead co-workers
You already had so many vaccines. This one is a problem? In between my first and second, I had diphtheria, hepatitis A and C, and persuttis. Wanted tetanus... But apparently that is only a test now... But I have had it in the past. Breds, choose life and protection of you, your friends, family neighours and Co workers. Get the vaccine, nah, please.88sins wrote:@Wraith
And who paying for this frequent extremely invasive & uncomfortable pcr testing where they shove a 9" stick up your nose every 2 weeks, when the cheapest test is almost $1000?
Thing is this, vaccinated or not, symptomatic or not, exposed or not, EVERYONE has to continue to maintain the current protocols in an effort to reduce contracting and spreading the virus.
So if you have successfully avoided contracting the virus by following those protocols, you don't NEED to get vaccinated to avoid contracting the virus
(which is not something any current vaccine can do anyway), so then vaccination is basically prophylactic and a secondary level of potential protection to an extent in the event that the primary protections fail.
My view is this.
As long as a worker maintains physical distance, wears a mask properly at all times on the job, is provided with a means to sanitize himself and his immediate work environment, and is not symptomatic (the day you show symptoms of infection you on automatic unpaid suspension for 30 days and can only return to work earlier if you provide a negative pcr test st your own expense, same pcr test is required if you opt use your mask as a chin diaper), that should suffice to safeguard all workers and customers in the workplace to a large degree, moreso than the vaccine can.
Me personally, I got no problem openly admitting it. I'll be opting out of their vaccination campaign, and
n obody but me decides what goes into my body. No random arsehole that thinks that he has some form of control over my body because he pays me a salary for a serviceor function I supply him with so he can make money.
And sure as hell not some overdressed table thumping jackass and his minions. Whether they make it mandatory by law or not. My body, my choice, nobody else's.
aaron17 wrote:Should I still take the vaccine if I had Anaphylaxis with lobster? I had to take an adrenaline shot when that situation occured. I don't fare well with jep bites either...it takes longer to go down.
X2Wraith King wrote:aaron17 wrote:Should I still take the vaccine if I had Anaphylaxis with lobster? I had to take an adrenaline shot when that situation occured. I don't fare well with jep bites either...it takes longer to go down.
Speak to a medical professional that you trust.
Here is not the place to get that sort of advice.
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