Minister of Sport: No land for motorsport without unity

[cinco]

cuz he does drink too

[White CZ4A]

he talks too much as far as i am concerned,let him offer finance,build, operate,then we will see who really love racing.

The Government has made it clear that they support motorsport as long as WE can get organised.

Everyone knows where the issue lies, but it's also a little more complex, with personalities getting in the way of policy and progress.

so how do we the public/racers etc get it organized? Or is it all up to TTASA/autosport etc at this point?

[crazybalhead]

Right now?

Become an affiliate of TTASA and have a say on the Motorsports Council.

I know how loaded that statement is.

[janfar]

First thing would be to get into discussions with TTASA which has failed in the past, or get rid of the lot and start over with a new team.

[janfar]

Right now?

Become an affiliate of TTASA and have a say on the Motorsports Council.

I know how loaded that statement is.

Is it as easy as that???

Would you have an actual say/ vote to the organization?

[cinco]

may be a loaded question but who appointed TTASA the reigning motorsport body?

[crazybalhead]

Right now?

Become an affiliate of TTASA and have a say on the Motorsports Council.

I know how loaded that statement is.

Is it as easy as that???

Would you have an actual say/ vote to the organization?

Not in TTASA, but towards the ministry.

[White CZ4A]

may be a loaded question but who appointed TTASA the reigning motorsport body?

I would assume it was the ministry of sport?

[cinco]

sooo why cant Anil get rid of them ?

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

^ The Ministry of Sport cannot get involved in the internal affairs of TTASA or the MotorSport General Council. The Ministry can only advise. The Ministry also has the right to withhold funding until the NGB conforms - which is exactly what the Ministry is doing years now.

Right now?

Become an affiliate of TTASA and have a say on the Motorsports Council.

I know how loaded that statement is.

Is it as easy as that???

Would you have an actual say/ vote to the organization?

Joining the General Council gives you a say on the General Council, not in TTASA.

You personally need to become a member of TTASA to have a say in TTASA.

[janfar]

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[cinco]

^ The Ministry of Sport cannot get involved in the internal affairs of TTASA or the MotorSport General Council. The Ministry can only advise. The Ministry also has the right to withhold funding until the NGB conforms - which is exactly what the Ministry is doing years now.

Right now?

Become an affiliate of TTASA and have a say on the Motorsports Council.

I know how loaded that statement is.

Is it as easy as that???

Would you have an actual say/ vote to the organization?

Joining the General Council gives you a say on the General Council, not in TTASA.

You personally need to become a member of TTASA to have a say in TTASA.

Duane im just saying if they appointed them the "voice" of motorsports in the country cant they revoke the appointment and make a new one?
would be easier to start over rather than reinvent the wheel with TTASA

[janfar]

^ The Ministry of Sport cannot get involved in the internal affairs of TTASA or the MotorSport General Council. The Ministry can only advise. The Ministry also has the right to withhold funding until the NGB conforms - which is exactly what the Ministry is doing years now.

Right now?

Become an affiliate of TTASA and have a say on the Motorsports Council.

I know how loaded that statement is.

Is it as easy as that???

Would you have an actual say/ vote to the organization?

Joining the General Council gives you a say on the General Council, not in TTASA.

You personally need to become a member of TTASA to have a say in TTASA.

But AFAIK the TTASA membership is a, for a want of better words, strategically selected group of individuals. Am I right in saying that?

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

anyone can apply to join TTASA, though there is a process and you must be recommended by an existing member and seconded by another member.

petitions are not going to be of any value because TTASA is an Association. Only members of the Association have a vote.

If you like you can contact the association and voice your concerns directly

The Ministry of Sport cannot get involved in the internal affairs of TTASA or the MotorSport General Council. The Ministry can only advise. The Ministry also has the right to withhold funding until the NGB conforms - which is exactly what the Ministry is doing years now.

Right now?

Become an affiliate of TTASA and have a say on the Motorsports Council.

I know how loaded that statement is.

Is it as easy as that???

Would you have an actual say/ vote to the organization?

Joining the General Council gives you a say on the General Council, not in TTASA.

You personally need to become a member of TTASA to have a say in TTASA.

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TTASA is the NGB (National Governing Body) for Motor Sport in T&T.
TTASA is also the ASN (The local representative affiliate to the World Governing Body for Motor Sport, the FIA).

TTASA has members who can vote, choosing who is the executive (President VP, Treasurer etc) in TTASA. Only TTASA members can do this.

Clubs such as TTUNDRA, Horizon Motorsport, V8 Boys etc are affiliates to TTASA. Members of Affiliate clubs can only vote for the executive in their respective club.

TTASA created the Motor Sport General Council which is made up of TTASA and it's affiliates. in order for a club to sit on the General Council it must become an affiliate of TTASA. Up to last week TTASA chaired the General Council. I believe last week the president of TTUNDRA was made Chairman of the council for 6 months.

The General Council sits below TTASA, but each affiliate on the Council

Clubs such as TTRC (Rally Club who has Rally Trinidad and Rally Championship), TTKA (Karting Club who has Kart Racing Championship), CARS (who has Solodex Championship), AutoSport Racing Association (who has time attack / Drag & Wind Championship), DWO (Drift Club) etc etc are NOT affiliates to TTASA and so do NOT sit on the General Council.

The Minister of SPort is saying that these two factions (affiliates and non affiliates) need to come together. Two factions because the non-affiliates work together (i.e TTKA and CARS help Rally club with Rally Trinidad for example). And TTUNDRA and Horizon help TTASA with Drags at Camden for example.

[wagonrunner]

[janfar]

anyone can apply to join TTASA, though there is a process and you must be recommended by an existing member and seconded by another member.

petitions are not going to be of any value because TTASA is an Association. Only members of the Association have a vote.

If you like you can contact the association and voice your concerns directly

The Ministry of Sport cannot get involved in the internal affairs of TTASA or the MotorSport General Council. The Ministry can only advise. The Ministry also has the right to withhold funding until the NGB conforms - which is exactly what the Ministry is doing years now.

Right now?

Become an affiliate of TTASA and have a say on the Motorsports Council.

I know how loaded that statement is.

Is it as easy as that???

Would you have an actual say/ vote to the organization?

Joining the General Council gives you a say on the General Council, not in TTASA.

You personally need to become a member of TTASA to have a say in TTASA.

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TTASA is the NGB (National Governing Body) for Motor Sport in T&T.
TTASA is also the ASN (The local representative affiliate to the World Governing Body for Motor Sport, the FIA).

TTASA has members who can vote, choosing who is the executive (President VP, Treasurer etc) in TTASA.

Clubs such as TTUNDRA, Horizon Motorsport, V8 Boys etc are affiliates to TTASA.

TTASA created the Motor Sport General Council which is made up of TTASA and it's affiliates. in order for a club to sit on the General Council it must become an affiliate of TTASA. Up to last week TTASA chaired the General Council. I believe last week the president of TTUNDRA was made Chairman of the council for 6 months.

The General Council sits below TTASA, but each affiliate on the Council

Clubs such as TTRC (Rally Club who has Rally Trinidad and Rally Championship), TTKA (Karting Club who has Kart Racing Championship), CARS (who has Solodex Championship), AutoSport Racing Association (who has time attack / Drag & Wind Championship), DWO (Drift Club) etc etc are NOT affiliates to TTASA and so do NOT sit on the General Council.

Is there a special reason why theses clubs are not affiliated with the NSO?

[Mr. Red Sleeper]

Bypassing TTASA or starting a new body, that WILL get govt support based on the elimination of "personalities" is the solution then?

Surely there must be some way that Trinidads Auto or any other sporting body has to be held to ransom by ONE body?

[crazybalhead]

Bypassing TTASA or starting a new body, that WILL get govt support based on the elimination of "personalities" is the solution then?

This has been tried, but the Gov't does not want to hear it. They say all bodies must form part of the General Council, with TTASA as the recognised motorsport body.

[Mr. Red Sleeper]

Boycott TTasa?
Call fo rnew heads/ideas/ people with less issues?

[White CZ4A]

Personally I don't see how boycotting the races are going to affect TTASA.
All the directors/board members of TTASA have other companies(from what I heard). This is not their only avenue for income and it is obviously not the 'be all end all' for them.
The ministry needs to step in IMO.

So my question is, how do we approach the Ministry of Sport? Anil Roberts is a nobody...can't someone get a meeting with him?

[crazybalhead]

Boycott TTasa?
Call fo rnew heads/ideas/ people with less issues?

[cinco]

Boycott TTasa?
Call fo rnew heads/ideas/ people with less issues?

all the racers have to do is stop supporting their events and make their stance known that they wont support if TTASA is still in control
autosport has been doing dam good job with their events
as well as the other associations

[crazybalhead]

Personally I don't see how boycotting the races are going to affect TTASA.
All the directors/board members of TTASA have other companies(from what I heard). This is not their only avenue for income and it is obviously not the 'be all end all' for them.
The ministry needs to step in IMO.

So my question is, how do we approach the Ministry of Sport? Anil Roberts is a nobody...can't someone get a meeting with him?

Already being tried my friend.

[cinco]

you are boycotting their events and showing support for the other mospo bodies
it will show your disinterest in having TTASA in control

[Mr. Red Sleeper]

So my question is, how do we approach the Ministry of Sport? Anil Roberts is a nobody...can't someone get a meeting with him?

To what end?
From what im hearing, he is at the end of his rope so to speak, based on the fact that these "other source of income people" cant come together for the main stake here, which is the genuine want for progress for the sport.
Its about personal fame, financial gain etc., which is why he said, " cricket, football , and other sports will be govt assisted until this nonsense can be sorted out.

But with the above reasons for involvement remaining as the main focus for all of this, its clear that motor sport, as usual, will be going nowhere.

[wagonrunner]

Gordon summed it up.
As long as racers support them, they have something. Like we gonna have to start treating racers like scabs during a strike.

[Mr. Red Sleeper]

^^Now to get Trinis who generally dont support each other for anything, to agree to that.

Hence part of the reason we are where we are.

[wagonrunner]

Well, WE are a selfish people. If our / their one day jollies worth more, than having something better, we / they will never have what we prefer, only what we deserve.

[janfar]

Guys, the gov has no say as to who the NSO is. All thye can do is not support it. That said, it is almost impossible to remove TTASA That said, the problem is not TTASA but its structure. Restructure and all may be well. But how do we get that done?

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Actually the clubs have all been meeting with the Ministry - often too.

All that needs to happen is that the terms of all the clubs are met. One side wants the General Council to be the NGB (TTASA can keep the ASN status), But TTASA wants it the way they have it set up currently where TTASA is the NGB and ASN.

I think if that agreement can be met, then all problems solved - the major ones at least.