Ethnic stocking

[Habit7]

Lies, damn lies and statistics.

I wonder if those statistics reflects genetic confirmation of one's non-Indianness? Or was it done as the PM did when she quantified it by last name with the Min. of Culture Scholarships which she was proven wrong be the Equal Opportunities Commission.

And if it was 20% indo, which does not reflect the 40% of indo in T&T population, who is to say that the other ethnicity not equally represented?

And if it was 20% indos in chief positions in the public sector, how does that measure up to actual number of indos in the public sector?




I hate to see T&T heading down this numbers game like the US vis-a-vie Affirmative Action. If I go to the hospital, who cares if most of the doctors are indo, just serve me. If I call the police, who care if most of the officers are afro, just serve me. Let is practise meritocracy and stop stuffing people in position based on race, sex, geography, etc.

[afterburners]

Anybody ever take a good long look at the public servants aged 40 to 65?

[Hook]

Nope. U fancy staring at old people?

[Habit7]

Jack: PNM guilty of ethnic stocking
Jamaica editorial an 'attack' on Govt

By Anna Ramdass anna.ramdass@trinidadexpress.com
Story Created: Dec 12, 2012 at 11:52 PM ECT
Story Updated: Dec 12, 2012 at 11:52 PM ECT

National Security Minister Jack Warner has described an editorial in the Jamaica Observer as an attack against the People's Partnership Government led by Kamla Persad-Bissessar.
Warner, also chairman of the United National Congress (UNC), called on the newspaper to reveal the author of the editorial entitled "The more important issue is abuse of substance", which was published on Tuesday.

The editorial took note of former Government minister Verna St Rose Greaves's allegation that the Prime Minister had an issue which was interpreted to be a substance abuse problem, which Persad-Bissessar has refuted.
However, the editorial stated the abuse of substance in the form of "ethnic stocking" was a greater problem in this country.
In a release issued yesterday, Warner slammed the newspaper, questioning where it had the authority to suddenly speak of ethnic stocking.

Warner asked where was the voice of the Jamaica Observer when "ethnic stocking" was in its most dominant form under the People's National Movement (PNM).
"In a country which boasts of 'Many Nations; One People', one would never have believed that such an august institution would decline into such stealth racism, but it seems as though that even across the Caribbean, sensationalism seems to be the modus operandi for selling newspapers," stated Warner.

He questioned where was the Observer when now Government Minister Devant Maharaj had to seek legal action in order not to be passed over for promotion at the National Lotteries Control Board (NCLB).
Also, he asked further where was the Jamaica Observer when Ganga Persad Bissoon's appointment as Commissioner of State Lands was vetoed by former prime minister Patrick Manning and when a radio licence was denied to the Maha Sabha by the PNM Government.

"For more than 30 years, not a Hindu was appointed or elected as a member of government by the PNM, and yet the Observer dare speak about ethnic stocking? The old adage that cockroach should not meddle in fowl business is relevant to the Observer in this context," stated Warner.
The editorial's author, stated Warner, "clearly has a hidden agenda that transcends the decency of truth and the tenet of the journalistic profession of objective loyalty to the facts".
Warner said under this Government, the country has improved its ranking on the Transparency International Corruption Perception Index.

"Is it possible that if 'ethnic stocking' is really taking place that the current preferred ethnicity may be the one to keep Trinidad and Tobago less corrupt?" asked Warner.
The Observer, he stated, must therefore salvage its integrity and reveal the author of the editorial.
"I guess this is another one of those Jamaican attacks of the past as 'T&T's oil will pass through it as a dose of salts' (as stated by former PM) Michael Manley," Warner said.

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Jac ... 80661.html

[nemisis]

Sometimes speaking out can be just as damning as staying quiet yes, funny thing is that jack is the go to "race card " guy.


More seriously though the argument stated is not that they are pnm but PNM did it so we turn now.

[moti]

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More seriously though the argument stated is not that they are pnm but PNM did it so we turn now.

and that my friend is called politics

[kaylex]

LOL.... DUDE BAWL BRING THE EVIDENCE ... WAIT.. BUH WAIT... THAT DATATSET AND CORRESPONDING PICTORAL DISPLAYS ARE FROM 2009...WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW>????

[kaylex]

Anybody ever take a good long look at the public servants aged 40 to 65?

Dude... I think you have to understand historically what was the issue with the formation of the Public Sector....

Firstly East Indians came to Trinidad and Tobago and became some of the most successful agrarian persons in society... And the Afros left that after slavery and went into the Public Service.. Hence the reason why the public Service was dominated by Africans../. After the Closure of 1975 Caroni Ltd alot of East Indians particularly the older folk while remaining in agri continued to educate their children in Medicine, Law and Engineering a field that remains dominated by East Indians even today...

The Public Sector inclusive of the PORT OF PORT OF SPAIN,CUSTOMS, PROTECTIVE SERVICES etc have always been dominated by Afros due to the history of the country.. No one did East Indians anything.. they just wern't interested in the public sector initially as the pay was low..... now that food sharing and as well as population expanding.. the grouping has removed themselves from farming which most see as hardwork.. and competing for the scarce and ltd amount of jobs in the public sector... I drive rural areas often enough.. alot of farms that were formally owned and cultivated by East Indians are now barren as their younger generations now flock to the public sector to own managerial posts sometimes through political means..

The colonial culture and ideology dictates that to be successful you must wear the nice clothes and bess shoes.... so hence everybody wanna eat a food in the public sector and drive company cars.... so ltd managerial space and positions.. what you think go happen when party change... ??

Now when you understand the usage of the public sector to win votes as the state ultimately pays their wages... you have the partisan placements... ie ethnic stocking

[Bareback]

Yuh see dat one dey, dat is yuh family. And de nex one dey, dat is yuh family!!!!!!! EeeYaaaa!!!!!!

[Rooki3]

[nemisis]

^^^ by d Horner man

[rfari]

Meem mind u link ur family and friends wuk unno buh lawd. Issa set of dunceyhead people in charge. From dem doctors that killing people to dem running state boards and cyar even sell a newspapers.

[EXODUS]

The Jamaica Observer newspaper has accused the Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar-led government of “ethnic stocking” and says this country is deluding itself about racial harmony. In an editorial yesterday, titled “The more important issue is abuse of substance,” the paper charged this country’s government not only with the ethnic stocking of public offices to consolidate its grip on political power, but also of the perception of widespread corruption.

how is this any diff from leadersh1t-p unda the PissNM???

[Sky]

What a waste of time. If you wanna bring the accusation of ethnic stocking, bring the evidence!

What a joke compared to this under the PNM.



And no, it's not just pulling a rabbit of a hat like the PNM, the best way is to name the people to support the claim. See below:

AIRPORTS AUTHORITY ---out of 11, 2 [1. Ramesh Lutchmedial, Director; and 2. Rosalind Chinnia-Ramadeen, Deputy General Manager (Operations, Crown Point)]. [http://www.tntairports.com/aat_members.html]

CARIBBEAN AIRLINES ---out of 8, 1 [1. Dr. Shafeek Sultan-Khan, Director]. [http://www.caribbean-airlines.com/au_cg.shtml]

DFL CARIBBEAN ---out of 13, 3 [1. Rodney Prasad, Director; 2. Stephen Singh, Director; and 3. Gilian Golah, Senior Manager (Corporate Executive Operations) and Company Secretary]. [http://www.dflcaribbean.com/board-of-directors.html and http://www.dflcaribbean.com/management.html]

ETECK ---out of 12, 2 [1. Nesha Kochhar, Vice President (Property Management); and 2. Henry Kumar, General Manager (ICT Project Implementation); maybe a 3rd [Eugene Tiah, Director].
[http://www.eteck.co.tt/1content/en/e_corp.aspx?articleid=94&zoneid=16 and http://www.eteck.co.tt/1content/en/e_co ... &zoneid=16]

FCB ---out of 25, 6 [1. Govind Maharaj, Director; 2. Inez B. Sinanan, Director; 3. Ramcharan Kalicharan, Chief Executive Officer (CMMB); 4. Lionel Seunarine, Asst. GM (Commercial Banking); 5. Shiva Manraj, Financial Controller (Finance and Planning); and 6. Harjoon Heeralal, Corporate Manager (Group Corp. Planning)] [https://www.firstcitizenstt.com/about/Corporate-Profile/Senior-Management-and-Directors/Board-of-Directors.html and https://www.firstcitizenstt.com/about/C ... ctors.html]

NAMDEVCO ---out of 6, 1 [1. Cintra Persad, Director] [http://www.namdevco.com/home.asp].

NATIONAL FLOUR MILLS ---out of 7, 2 [1. Ganesh Sahadeo, Chairman; and 2. Ross Alexander, Director].
[http://www.nfm.co.tt/Portals/3/images/annualreport/NFM_AR_2008.pdf]

NATIONAL GAS COMPANY ---out of 16, 4 [1. Lisle Ramyad, Director; 2. Winston Lalla, Director; 3. Rebecca Ramdhanie, Vice President (Finance and Information Management Group); and 4. Prakash Saith, President (National Energy Corporation)] [http://www.ngc.co.tt/About/directors.htm and http://www.ngc.co.tt/About/executive.htm]

NATIONAL INSURANCE BOARD: ---out of 17, 5 [1. Rudranath Indarsingh, Director; 2. Inez Sinanan, Director; 3. Seeram K. Maharaj, Director; 4. Karen Gopaul, Executive Manager (Planning and Technology); and 5. Niala Persad, Executive Manager (Legal Services/Corporate Secretary)]. [http://www.nibtt.co.tt/2009/NIB%20Annual%20Report%202%202%2009.pdf]

NATIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY ---out of 11, 5 [1. Chandrabhan Sharma, Chairman; 2. Vijay Birsingh, Director; 3. Nirad Samnadda-Ramrekersingh, Vice-President (Legal Services); 4. Lisa Chote, Vice President (Corporate Services); and 5. Michael Guyadeen, Vice President (Financial Services)]. [http://www.nidco.co.tt/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=51&Itemid=62] Note: This is the only organization on the list which meets the desired standard.

PETROTRIN ---out of 26, 9 [1. Harry Pirtheesingh, Director; 2. Ramnarine Ramdass, Director; 3. Kevin M. Singh, Vice President (Finance & Corporate Planning); 4. Khalid M. Hassanali, Vice President (Planning and Projects); 5. Narayan Ramtahal, General Manager (Central Engineering and Construction); 6. Steve Baldeosingh, General Manager (Production Operations); 7. Janice Koylass-Abraham, General Manager (Law & Land Management); 8. Sookdeo Heeralal, Ag. General Manager (Joint Ventures); and 9. Rajkumar Bissessar, Chief Audit Executive].
[http://www.petrotrin.com/Petrotrin2007/AnnualRep2007/AnnualReport2007/BoardOfDirectors.pdf and http://www.petrotrin.com/Petrotrin2007/ ... veteam.htm]

PORT AUTHORITY ---out of 48 (some of which are vacant), only 3 [1. Kiran Dass, Counterpart CFO; 2. Neil Bridgelal, Manager (Health Safety & Environment); and 3. Robert Ramsubhag, Equipment Manager].[http://www.patnt.com/ (click on "Our Company", then, "Corporate Structure"]

PTSC ---out of 21, 4 [1. Mahadeo Jagmohan, Director; 2. Zena Rahmatali, Director; 3. Philemon Subiah, Corporate Manager (Operations); and 4. Brian Juanette, Senior Project Engineer]. [http://www.ptsc.co.tt/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=50&Itemid=83]

T&TEC ---out of 16, 4 [1. Professor Chandrabhan Sharma, Commissioner; 2. Zameer Mohammed, Commissioner; 2. Kelvin Ramsook, Asst. GM (Distribution); and 3. Ramdeo Sadhoo, Asst. GM (Human Resources)]. [http://www.ttec.co.tt/about_us/theboard/default.htm]

TSTT ---out of 16, 1 [1. Rakesh Goswami: Chief Financial Officer]; maybe a 2nd [2? Dianna de Sousa: Vice President Customer Service]? [http://tstt.co.tt/index.cfm?p=http://tstt.co.tt/about/personnel.cfm]

TTMF ---out of 19, 3 [1. Jaggernath Soom, Director; 2. Esther Rajpaul, Director; and 3. Waheeda A M Ali, Manager (Internal Audit)]. [http://www.ttmf-mortgages.com/applicationloader.asp?app=articles&id=760 and http://www.ttmf-mortgages.com/applicati ... les&id=761]

TTPOST ---out of 11, 0, zip, ningun, rien, nein! [http://www.ttpost.net/about.php?contentid=183 and http://www.ttpost.net/about.php?contentid=1173]

UDECOTT ---out of 11 , 3 [1. Dr. Krishna Bahadoorsingh, Director; 2. Neelanda Rampaul, Chief Operating Officer; and 3. Jassodra Gumansingh, Manager (Information Technology)].
[http://www.udecott.com/index.php/cc/cc_sub_level/C12 and http://www.udecott.com/index.php/cc/cc_sub_level/C13]

WASA ---out of 12, 2 [1. Dr. Shafeek G. A. Sultan-Khan, Chairman of the Board; and 2. Dion Abdool, Chief Corporate Officer] [http://www.wasa.gov.tt/WASA_AboutUs_board.html] and http://www.wasa.gov.tt/WASA_AboutUs_executive.html






Source: http://trinbagorenewed.blogspot.com/2009/11/too-few-indian-chiefs.html

Oh yeah and talk about PNM bias again!! Talk about Racial bias.

Public servants win their appeals after ‘unfairly treated’ by PM
By ONIKA JAMES Thursday, July 9 2009

Two public servants — a foreign affairs officer, and the other, a State lands officer — yesterday won their appeals when the Appeals Court ruled they were “unfairly treated” by Prime Minister Patrick Manning.

Public Servant Feroza Ramjohn, was not allowed to take up a foreign diplomatic post in London, because of a report which stated she may have been “a security risk.”

Ramjohn who had been a career public servant with the Foreign Affairs Ministry for 38 years had served in the Permanent Mission to the United Nations, and the New York Consulate.

In the wake of drug trafficking allegations involving a diplomatic pouch between the London High Commission and the Ministry, certain persons were recalled from the London Mission to face criminal charges in Trinidad. On May 27, 2004, Ramjohn was summoned to a meeting and told she should make immediate plans to leave for London to assume a position in the London Mission. A letter was given confirming her appointment. As a result, Ramjohn promptly disposed of her belongings, served notice on her landlord, and completed a medical and psychological assessment.

However, as she was about to leave for London, she was informed that her transfer to London had been quashed by Prime Minister Manning. No reasons were given. It subsequently emerged that Ramjohn was being blamed for some 200 missing passports in circumstances which the Court of Appeal described yesterday as “purely circumstantial.”

Ramjohn was never before told of the allegations although being twice promoted since the incident in June, 2001.

Yesterday, the Appeal Court ruled that the Prime Minister treated Ramjohn “unfairly by blocking her transfer to London, without informing her that she was a considered threat to National Security. Ramjohn was never given an opportunity to clear her name, although having “an unblemished record of performance for over 35 years.”

The Appeal Court found that because the PM had a constitutional power to veto Ramjohn’s transfer, it did not give him an absolute right.

The veto it found, must be exercised fairly in accordance with the principles of natural justice. The court further declared that Ramjohn was a victim of “unfair treatment” by the Prime Minister. The other public servant, Ganga Persad-Kisson, had his promotion to Commissioner of State Lands vetoed by Prime Minister Manning, deeming he was “unfairly treated.

Persad-Kisson had applied for the vacant position in March, 2001. He was interviewed by the Public Service Commission, and had topped the interviews. He was also the most qualified and senior candidate for the job.

However, the Prime Minister vetoed Persad-Kisson’s position without giving reasons. The person second in line got the job.

Yesterday, the Appeal Court which comprised Chief Justice Ivor Archie, and Justices Margot Warner and Allan Mendonca, found Persad-Kisson was treated unfairly when he was bypassed for promotion, and that the PM was wrong to veto his promotion without telling him why. Ramjohn, the foreign affairs officer was represented by attorneys Dr Fenton Ramsahoye SC, and Anand Ramlogan.

Following the judgment Ramlogan, speaking to the media on the steps of the Hall of Justice in Port-of-Spain, called for the “removal of the power of veto.”

The sad part is that these stats were compiled in the 1st place.

[Rooki3]

^^^ agreed pettyness cyar done

[nemisis]

The Jamaica Observer newspaper has accused the Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar-led government of “ethnic stocking” and says this country is deluding itself about racial harmony. In an editorial yesterday, titled “The more important issue is abuse of substance,” the paper charged this country’s government not only with the ethnic stocking of public offices to consolidate its grip on political power, but also of the perception of widespread corruption.

how is this any diff from leadersh1t-p unda the PissNM???

evidently it isn't, according to your question you imply the pp to be doing the same filth we voted the pnm out of office for. Damn pigs playing humans ent????

[Crackpot]

The sad part is that these stats were compiled in the 1st place.[/quote]

Can you imagine the time and effort it took

They knew that that didn't happen intentionally but boy do they have intentions on changing it

Nefarious I say

[zoom rader]

Meem mind u link ur family and friends wuk unno buh lawd. Issa set of dunceyhead people in charge. From dem doctors that killing people to dem running state boards and cyar even sell a newspapers.

Which doctors killing people?
What newspapers the goverment selling?

[nemisis]

^^^ I have to agree with fari and the incompetent doctors. Relative had a heart related issue, they sent her San Fernando general Friday, sent her mount hope Saturday, spent Sunday organizing for people to check her condition, sent her back down San Fernando general Sunday evening to await decision of doctors at mount hope, Monday said they don't think that they should operate but will decide after talking to a specialist. Died Monday night with nothing being done or attempted. During that time preparations were being made by family to send her abroad. Incompetent doctors are a fact that people not directly affected turn a blind eye too. You mean to tell me it take 4 days to decide none of the panel of doctors were the ones that should have been contacted. Or that neither mount hope or San Fernando general has a capable cardiac specialist??



The gov papers thing Alluh can bicker about I'm not knowledgable on that so imma stay out of you big people discussion.

[rfari]

Meem mind u link ur family and friends wuk unno buh lawd. Issa set of dunceyhead people in charge. From dem doctors that killing people to dem running state boards and cyar even sell a newspapers.

Which doctors killing people?
What newspapers the goverment selling?

The same doctors that were selected based on race when they applied to med sci. The ones who make u wonder how the heck they even qualify in the first place.
The newspapers i talking about is from a parla dan

[zoom rader]

Meem mind u link ur family and friends wuk unno buh lawd. Issa set of dunceyhead people in charge. From dem doctors that killing people to dem running state boards and cyar even sell a newspapers.

Which doctors killing people?
What newspapers the goverment selling?

The same doctors that were selected based on race when they applied to med sci. The ones who make u wonder how the heck they even qualify in the first place.
The newspapers i talking about is from a parla dan

How many people have they killed?
How do you know they were selected on race?
You still have to state which newspapers the goverment selling?

[Hook]

that person went to a lot of trouble to compile those lists of names and statistics boy...

[zoom rader]

that person went to a lot of trouble to compile those lists of names and statistics boy...

Maybe he did, but if he did not then you would have the same people asking where are the statistics to show the facts.

[hustla_ambition101]

I wonder if that person went and saw each person in each company, because from experience and from personal interactions the ethnicity of a person cannot be determined by name..........

[nemisis]

Cool so the statistics indicate the last gov did it so what was needed was to review these supposed high positions and see if the individuals holding them were placed ahead of more suitably merited individuals. Instead what was done? They were supposedly replaced by equivalent waste of time individuals using the same method of the last admin "ethnicity".

[zoom rader]

I wonder if that person went and saw each person in each company, because from experience and from personal interactions the ethnicity of a person cannot be determined by name..........

This is why under the PNM you had to provide a Photo when applying for a HDC house

[zoom rader]

Cool so the statistics indicate the last gov did it so what was needed was to review these supposed high positions and see if the individuals holding them were placed ahead of more suitably merited individuals. Instead what was done? They were supposedly replaced by equivalent waste of time individuals using the same method of the last admin "ethnicity".

Would you expect a PNM goverment to leave an appointed pp/unc head employee to carry out the duties and policies of the PNM goverment.

[rfari]

Meem mind u link ur family and friends wuk unno buh lawd. Issa set of dunceyhead people in charge. From dem doctors that killing people to dem running state boards and cyar even sell a newspapers.

Which doctors killing people?
What newspapers the goverment selling?

The same doctors that were selected based on race when they applied to med sci. The ones who make u wonder how the heck they even qualify in the first place.
The newspapers i talking about is from a parla dan

How many people have they killed?
How do you know they were selected on race?
You still have to state which newspapers the goverment selling?

enough to cause concern. haven't u been reading the papers for the last 10 years?

because i have friends and relatives that were overlooked when they applied to study med sci, only for an epic backpedal by the medical board after said friends and relatives earned national scholarships and it became obvious that their exclusion couldnt be justified.

what newspapers and government you talking about? i referring to persons being unable to sell anything . i just used newspapers as an example. gosh man. keep up nah

[zoom rader]

^^^ Doctors killing people statement is useless, are there any reports on this? Were these doctors named?

[hustla_ambition101]

Cool so the statistics indicate the last gov did it so what was needed was to review these supposed high positions and see if the individuals holding them were placed ahead of more suitably merited individuals. Instead what was done? They were supposedly replaced by equivalent waste of time individuals using the same method of the last admin "ethnicity".

Would you expect a PNM goverment to leave an appointed pp/unc head employee to carry out the duties and policies of the PNM goverment.

So how come Indarsingh was a director on a "pnm" board?