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Re: We Are African Apes!!!!!

Postby 3stagevtec » May 22nd, 2014, 10:39 pm

ismithx wrote:
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ismithx wrote:first of all, the idea that life just appeared on its own is hardly credible, secondly if evolution and life appearing all on its own is true how do you explain conciousness?


Why is it hardly credible? because YOU cannot understand it? Out of the billions of planets in the universe, ours just happened to have all the right ingredients for life to start. I'm pretty sure it will happen somewhere else in the universe also..

Evolution is a slow change in the biology of life over generations, it has nothing to do with where life came from.

Our brains learnt and adapted over time. Our self awareness came about through the need to survive. Having a consciousness is nothing extraordinary IMO. Don't forget there are other animals out there who can also think and reason with a high degree of accuracy. Some of them are also self aware!


you misunderstand me. i have an understanding of this explanation for the formation of life, seems very unlikely. If life came about this way, then shouldn't we be able to create living organisms by manually assembling at least a one-celled organism?

my point is not about self-awareness, it is about conciousness. we can build computer programs and robots that respond to situations automatically, but are they concious? When I say conciousness, I mean the perspective by which you see and perceive other stimuli. For this, you should refer to the mind-body problem, which has long been a debated issue in psychology. My personal opinion is that the mind and body are actually separate, because if there was only the body (brain), then we wouldn't have a conciousness. In this case, the most sensible theory for me is the belief that we were created as described in the Bible. I'm just being a straight-up logical person here, I like to believe in something that makes sense.


So much of the bible has been proven wrong over the years, i'm sure you would have seen the debates, science on this etc etc.. yet you choose to believe in a book written by man centuries ago over all the cold hard facts that science gives you today.

If you were unbiased and truly straight up logical, you would question your beliefs or at least admit the bible isn't really a way forward. Being open minded isn't easy for some people..

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EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:well considering Evolution is a proven fact as 2+2 = 4 is a proven fact then yes we are African Apes.

Why do you think that when someone makes a video on youtube and they claim god is real and evolution is false why does that video then have more down votes and reports than Justin Bieber videos?

Because denying fact and evidence based on false beliefs is a very wicked thing to do.

Also Dawkins already said science cannot prove that god isn't real nor does science care if god is real or not what science cares about is the truth.

Offcourse we have free will so we can choose to believe 2+2= 17

So is 2+2= 17 a reasonable answer in today's modern world? I say NO
you went so far down that rabbit hole


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Re: We Are African Apes!!!!!

Postby matthewmazda » May 22nd, 2014, 10:46 pm

so thats why people like fig so much...

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Re: We Are African Apes!!!!!

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from the page
Rational person wrote:Dear Mr. Theist...I think we are at an impasse. Until you better educate yourself on the meaning of a "scientific theory", we can't even being to have an intelligent discussion. There is a great deal that you have tried (and on an intellectual level, failed) to address. It's a really big bite to try to chew in a 4 minute and 48 second video, I know. Are you really arrogant enough to believe that you could "disprove" the theory of evolution in that period of time? You probably would have better spent your time simply saying, "I don't believe in the theory of evolution because it feels wrong in my heart and I choose to believe in my version of my God from my branch of Christianity...It is more comfortable for me to believe this instead of having to face the possibility that I may not have an afterlife and I may be all alone...It just feels better to me." Just leave it at that. At least that way you can chalk it up to the way that you feel instead of making yourself look like you're scientifically illiterate...which you are. As a side note, if you advocate for your religious beliefs to be inserted into my science classroom please be prepared for me to advocate that my government should be inserted into your church. Please leave the school systems out of it. if you want your children to be kept ignorant of scientific theories, which ever ones you have decided to believe in or not (although I see you believe in the Theory of General Relativity since you were able to upload this video, presumably from a cell phone?), then please choose a religious school or home-schooling for them. Let the rest of us heathens educate our children in a way that is non-denominational and will prepare them for life in the way that will make them well rounded and rational adults.

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Re: We Are African Apes!!!!!

Postby nareshseep » June 4th, 2014, 10:16 am

Zeus is the only true God.... The rest are lies... All hail Zeus...

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Re: We Are African Apes!!!!!

Postby 3stagevtec » June 4th, 2014, 10:25 am

^^ Not that idiot!! Yet another one who doesn't understand the meaning of the word 'theory' and also has no understanding of science..

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Re: We Are African Apes!!!!!

Postby Advent » June 4th, 2014, 10:27 am

3stagevtec wrote:^^ Not that idiot!! Yet another one who doesn't understand the meaning of the word 'theory' and also has no understanding of science..


he should test the theory of gravity by jumping out a window :oops:

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Re: We Are African Apes!!!!!

Postby 3stagevtec » June 4th, 2014, 10:36 am

Advent wrote:
3stagevtec wrote:^^ Not that idiot!! Yet another one who doesn't understand the meaning of the word 'theory' and also has no understanding of science..


he should test the theory of gravity by jumping out a window :oops:


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Re: We Are African Apes!!!!!

Postby K74T » June 4th, 2014, 10:41 am

Advent wrote:
3stagevtec wrote:^^ Not that idiot!! Yet another one who doesn't understand the meaning of the word 'theory' and also has no understanding of science..


he should test the theory of gravity by jumping out a window :oops:



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Re: We Are African Apes!!!!!

Postby ismithx » June 4th, 2014, 2:51 pm

Science (from Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge"[1]) is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe.


I can test gravity tho

Brb waiting to see something evolve

Also look up the second law of thermodynamics, evolution could never be real

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Re: We Are African Apes!!!!!

Postby Slartibartfast » June 4th, 2014, 3:41 pm

ismithx wrote:Brb waiting to see something evolve

Also look up the second law of thermodynamics, evolution could never be real


Evolution is an extremely slow process. It could take hundreds to thousands to hundreds of thousands of years to be done (kind of like the second coming)

An explanation for those of use that don't know what thermodynamics has to do with evolution would be greatly appreciated. I don't want to reply without knowing what exactly you mean.

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Re: We Are African Apes!!!!!

Postby ismithx » June 4th, 2014, 4:58 pm

the second law of thermodynamics is something that I have been considering for a while without even knowing it. basically, a system moves toward having maximum possible entropy (state of randomness). given this law, it wouldn't be possible for a single celled organism to become the highly complex and functional system that is a human being. That would be the exact opposite, a highly random environment producing a logical and ordered construction. If anything, things are actually degrading.

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Re: We Are African Apes!!!!!

Postby 3stagevtec » June 4th, 2014, 7:07 pm

Actually, we can see evolution taking place all now.. just look at how bacteria and viruses are evolving to resist antibiotics.. perfect example of natural selection taking place

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Re: We Are African Apes!!!!!

Postby Slartibartfast » June 4th, 2014, 8:44 pm

That is assuming no external factors? I'm guessing if you put a single cell organism in an inert environment it won't evolve. It will eventually die from starvation and break down. However, if the external factors exert a force towards order that is greater than the force of entropy then the organism will have to evolve to s more complex life form until the entropic and evolutionary forced are one again in equilibrium.

Remember, the human system is just a subset of our planetary system which is just a subset of a subset of the universe. The universe has a limited life span and will be non existent in the distant future thereby making sure the second law of thermodynamics isn't broken.

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Living beings can evolve if the external forces promoting order are greater than the entropic forces.

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