Google has suspended business operations with Huawei effectively immediately due to US Sanctions

[snypaz]

Owner of a Huawei here and I have no issues. I got Google updates yesterday. Huawei overtook Apple last year in mobile phone sales without their devices being sold in the US (I could be wrong but I read this somewhere). Huawei already has an app store, A good skin over the stock Android OS, and according to reports they anticipated this. They will take a hit in market share but they will be back. Their products especially phones are amazing.

[sMASH]

China needs to slap Ridiculous High TAxes on Any US company that manufactures anything in China...then watch and see what will happen- for sure that would sent the us into a recession

There is a electronics company that I watch on u tube, the guy puts out Vids nearly everyday, Paul mac gowan.
He says they assemble as much as thry can in America, but somethings can only be made on China to keep costs down to be competitive.

China can do the opposite, and make tariffs so low that they pull allllll manufacturing jobs, and tank the American working class.
Political nuclear bomb.


Imo, a tariff increase woukd drive manufacturers away from China to other places, even back to America.

If it goes back to America, it would be a bit more expensive, but it would be rebranded as totally skericsn so totally better, and moar jobs.




China cam corner the market or rare materials, and raise prices on those.

[death365]

samsung, oppo and vivo needs to push hard an gain as much market as they can now. they have bout a year to gain market share.

i didnt say apple cause apple customers werent the ones buying Huawei.

[maj. tom]

I say let America businesses be forced back to USA. Let an iPhone cost them $2000. Let them stop exploiting Chinese labour for their trillion dollar stock exchange company. Huawei has developed so much 5G technology that USA will never have now. Cost of technology will now skyrocket for USA consumers. That's what Trump wants? Let him have it. USA and their two faced NSA/CIA policies and technology interference in every single device on earth, and they want to complain about China's practices?

China will do fine without USA sucking out their resources and dumping pollution on them. There are so many untapped software resources from India and to be created in Africa. Hardware research from South Korea. Let USA have their isolation policies once again. America has done so much wrong to the world and their own people for the American Dollar, let them get the trade wars that they want. Japan should cut them off too and the entire Eastern Hemisphere should work together on global communications without USA. Trump will bask in that glory.

[death365]

I like where this is heading as a cheap a$$ buyer

[adnj]

If you were unaware, European and NA network operators are pushing for 6G and limiting investment in 5G.

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Ready for 6G? How AI will shape the network of the future

With 5G networks rolling out around the world, engineers are turning their attention to the next incarnation.

by Emerging Technology from the arXiv

Apr 19, 2019


Mobile-phone technology has changed the way humans understand and interact with the world and with each other. It’s hard to think of a technology that has more strongly shaped 21st-century living.

The latest technology—the fifth generation of mobile standards, or 5G—is currently being deployed in select locations around the world. And that raises an obvious question. What factors will drive the development of the sixth generation of mobile technology? How will 6G differ from 5G, and what kinds of interactions and activity will it allow that won’t be possible with 5G?

Today, we get an answer of sorts, thanks to the work of Razvan-Andrei Stoica and Giuseppe Abreu at Jacobs University Bremen in Germany. These guys have mapped out the limitations of 5G and the factors they think will drive the development of 6G. Their conclusion is that artificial intelligence will be the main driver of mobile technology and that 6G will be the enabling force behind an entirely new generation of applications for machine intelligence.

First some background. By any criteria, 5G is a significant advance on the previous 4G standards. The first 5G networks already offer download speeds of up to 600 megabits per second and have the potential to get significantly faster. By contrast, 4G generally operates at up to 28 Mbits/s—and most mobile-phone users will have experienced that rate grinding to zero from time to time, for reasons that aren’t always clear.

5G is obviously better in this respect and could even replace many landline connections.

But the most significant benefits go beyond these headline figures. 5G base stations, for example, are designed to handle up to a million connections, versus the 4,000 that 4G base stations can cope with. That should make a difference to communication at major gatherings such as sporting events, demonstrations, and so on, and it could enable all kinds of applications for the internet of things.

Then there is latency—the time it takes for signals to travel across the network. 5G is designed to have a latency of just a single millisecond, compared with 50 milliseconds or more on 4G. Any gamer will tell you how important that is, because it makes the remote control of gaming characters more responsive. But various telecoms operators have demonstrated how the same advantage makes it possible to control drones more accurately, and even to perform telesurgery using a mobile connection.

All this should be possible with lower power requirements to boot, and current claims suggest that 5G devices should have 10 times the battery lives of 4G devices.

So how can 6G better that? 6G will, of course, offer even faster download speeds—the current thinking is that they could approach 1 terabit per second.

But what kind of transformative improvements could it offer? The answer, according to Stoica and Abreu, is that it will enable rapidly changing collaborations on vast scales between intelligent agents solving intricate challenges on the fly and negotiating solutions to complex problems.

Take the problem of coordinating self-driving vehicles through a major city. That’s a significant challenge, given that some 2.7 million vehicles enter a city like New York every day.

The self-driving vehicles of the future will need to be aware of their location, their environment and how it is changing, and other road users such as cyclists, pedestrians, and other self-driving vehicles. They will need to negotiate passage through junctions and optimize their route in a way that minimizes journey times.

That’s a significant computational challenge. It will require cars to rapidly create on-the-fly networks, for example, as they approach a specific junction—and then abandon them almost instantly. At the same time, they will be part of broader networks calculating routes and journey times and so on. “Interactions will therefore be necessary in vast amounts, to solve large distributed problems where massive connectivity, large data volumes and ultra low-latency beyond those to be offered by 5G networks will be essential,” say Stoica and Abreu.

Of course, this is just one example of the kind of collaboration that 6G will make possible.  Stoica and Abreu envision a wide range of other distributed challenges that become tractable with this kind of approach.

These will be based on the real-time generation and collaborative processing of large amounts of data. One obvious application is in network optimization, but others include financial-market monitoring and planning, health-care optimization, and “nowcasting”—that is, the ability to predict and react to events as they happen—on a previously unimaginable scale.  

Artificially intelligent agents are clearly destined to play an important role in our future. “To harness the true power of such agents, collaborative AI is the key,” say Stoica and Abreu. “And by nature of the mobile society of the 21st century, it is clear that this collaboration can only be achieved via wireless communications.”

That’s an interesting vision of the future. There is much negotiating and horse-trading to be done before a set of 6G standards can even be outlined, let alone finalized. But if Stoica and Abreu are correct, artificial intelligence will be the driving force that shapes the communications networks of the future.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/613338/ready-for-6g-how-ai-will-shape-the-network-of-the-future/

[l33t2]

If you were unaware, European and NA network operators are pushing for 6G and limiting investment in 5G.

---------

Ready for 6G? How AI will shape the network of the future

With 5G networks rolling out around the world, engineers are turning their attention to the next incarnation.

by Emerging Technology from the arXiv

Apr 19, 2019


Mobile-phone technology has changed the way humans understand and interact with the world and with each other. It’s hard to think of a technology that has more strongly shaped 21st-century living.

The latest technology—the fifth generation of mobile standards, or 5G—is currently being deployed in select locations around the world. And that raises an obvious question. What factors will drive the development of the sixth generation of mobile technology? How will 6G differ from 5G, and what kinds of interactions and activity will it allow that won’t be possible with 5G?

Today, we get an answer of sorts, thanks to the work of Razvan-Andrei Stoica and Giuseppe Abreu at Jacobs University Bremen in Germany. These guys have mapped out the limitations of 5G and the factors they think will drive the development of 6G. Their conclusion is that artificial intelligence will be the main driver of mobile technology and that 6G will be the enabling force behind an entirely new generation of applications for machine intelligence.

First some background. By any criteria, 5G is a significant advance on the previous 4G standards. The first 5G networks already offer download speeds of up to 600 megabits per second and have the potential to get significantly faster. By contrast, 4G generally operates at up to 28 Mbits/s—and most mobile-phone users will have experienced that rate grinding to zero from time to time, for reasons that aren’t always clear.

5G is obviously better in this respect and could even replace many landline connections.

But the most significant benefits go beyond these headline figures. 5G base stations, for example, are designed to handle up to a million connections, versus the 4,000 that 4G base stations can cope with. That should make a difference to communication at major gatherings such as sporting events, demonstrations, and so on, and it could enable all kinds of applications for the internet of things.

Then there is latency—the time it takes for signals to travel across the network. 5G is designed to have a latency of just a single millisecond, compared with 50 milliseconds or more on 4G. Any gamer will tell you how important that is, because it makes the remote control of gaming characters more responsive. But various telecoms operators have demonstrated how the same advantage makes it possible to control drones more accurately, and even to perform telesurgery using a mobile connection.

All this should be possible with lower power requirements to boot, and current claims suggest that 5G devices should have 10 times the battery lives of 4G devices.

So how can 6G better that? 6G will, of course, offer even faster download speeds—the current thinking is that they could approach 1 terabit per second.

But what kind of transformative improvements could it offer? The answer, according to Stoica and Abreu, is that it will enable rapidly changing collaborations on vast scales between intelligent agents solving intricate challenges on the fly and negotiating solutions to complex problems.

Take the problem of coordinating self-driving vehicles through a major city. That’s a significant challenge, given that some 2.7 million vehicles enter a city like New York every day.

The self-driving vehicles of the future will need to be aware of their location, their environment and how it is changing, and other road users such as cyclists, pedestrians, and other self-driving vehicles. They will need to negotiate passage through junctions and optimize their route in a way that minimizes journey times.

That’s a significant computational challenge. It will require cars to rapidly create on-the-fly networks, for example, as they approach a specific junction—and then abandon them almost instantly. At the same time, they will be part of broader networks calculating routes and journey times and so on. “Interactions will therefore be necessary in vast amounts, to solve large distributed problems where massive connectivity, large data volumes and ultra low-latency beyond those to be offered by 5G networks will be essential,” say Stoica and Abreu.

Of course, this is just one example of the kind of collaboration that 6G will make possible.  Stoica and Abreu envision a wide range of other distributed challenges that become tractable with this kind of approach.

These will be based on the real-time generation and collaborative processing of large amounts of data. One obvious application is in network optimization, but others include financial-market monitoring and planning, health-care optimization, and “nowcasting”—that is, the ability to predict and react to events as they happen—on a previously unimaginable scale.  

Artificially intelligent agents are clearly destined to play an important role in our future. “To harness the true power of such agents, collaborative AI is the key,” say Stoica and Abreu. “And by nature of the mobile society of the 21st century, it is clear that this collaboration can only be achieved via wireless communications.”

That’s an interesting vision of the future. There is much negotiating and horse-trading to be done before a set of 6G standards can even be outlined, let alone finalized. But if Stoica and Abreu are correct, artificial intelligence will be the driving force that shapes the communications networks of the future.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/613338/ready-for-6g-how-ai-will-shape-the-network-of-the-future/

You think Huawei isn't investing in 6G as well? They're probably leading the pack again. The advantage a 5G will have is that many places never went fully LTE - Many 3G networks will skip LTE and go straight 5G. Also, pretty sure Huawei will be ensuring there's an easy cheap upgrade path from 5G to 6G.

Now LTE was is great but it was never standardized to the extent that 3G was and never can compare to 3G's mass deployment. Even in most cities in the US and Europe, LTE is still rare. Yet it was hyped up so much for years, but in the end, because 3G evolved so much that LTE wasn't significantly better for the consumer. Home by me, I get roughly the same speed on Digicel 3G vs LTE on TSTT, both ~6-10Mbs. Using them feels almost exactly the same most times.

Anyway, 6G is probably 10 years away from mass deployment......we'll wait and see. It will be good if the US and European telco communication companies can catch up with Huawei.

[redmanjp]

TSTT capping their LTE speed- otherwise you would be getting more than 50Mbps.

[l33t2]

TSTT capping their LTE speed- otherwise you would be getting more than 50Mbps.

Nah i've got 30mbps+ easily before, now the speed has lowered due to congestion or poor signal.

[nick639v2]

Here’s why losing Arm is a far bigger deal for Huawei than losing Google



https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-arm-989084/

[nick639v2]

[link]
https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/22/1863 ... m-security


"As long as there was a pipeline from Huawei’s China headquarters to cell towers in the US, there would be a strong risk of Chinese surveillance agencies using it to sneak malware into the network, whether they did it with Huawei’s help or by hacking themselves into the middle. As intelligence agencies saw it, the risk was just too great."

[redmanjp]

TSTT capping their LTE speed- otherwise you would be getting more than 50Mbps.

Nah i've got 30mbps+ easily before, now the speed has lowered due to congestion or poor signal.

my bad, was thinking of their blink otg lte dongle- yeah i guess with more users on any network it will slow down

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

[Dizzy28]

I like where this is heading as a cheap a$$ buyer

That phone is 6500 without taking into account sky box fees and customs duties and taxes!!!!

[l33t2]

[link]
https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/22/1863 ... m-security


"As long as there was a pipeline from Huawei’s China headquarters to cell towers in the US, there would be a strong risk of Chinese surveillance agencies using it to sneak malware into the network, whether they did it with Huawei’s help or by hacking themselves into the middle. As intelligence agencies saw it, the risk was just too great."

In almost all equipment there is a legit pipeline back for diagnostics and remote monitoring.

[nick639v2]

I like where this is heading as a cheap a$$ buyer

That phone is 6500 without taking into account sky box fees and customs duties and taxes!!!!

Expensive paperweight after the next 90 days

[redmanjp]

I like where this is heading as a cheap a$$ buyer

That phone is 6500 without taking into account sky box fees and customs duties and taxes!!!!

Expensive paperweight after the next 90 days

so would sideloading Google and other US apps be possible after that time?

[nick639v2]

I like where this is heading as a cheap a$$ buyer

That phone is 6500 without taking into account sky box fees and customs duties and taxes!!!!

Expensive paperweight after the next 90 days

so would sideloading Google and other US apps be possible after that time?

Most likely yea, but with the abundance of hidden spyware and virus in APK files, would you really risk it?..

[maj. tom]

Lol you gonna pay $7k and then sideload apps?

[tr1ad]

dis affecting meh nokia?

[redmanjp]

Lol you gonna pay $7k and then sideload apps?

no but if you already own it? well in my case it's a company issued one, and a lot cheaper than that

[redmanjp]

I like where this is heading as a cheap a$$ buyer

That phone is 6500 without taking into account sky box fees and customs duties and taxes!!!!

Expensive paperweight after the next 90 days

so would sideloading Google and other US apps be possible after that time?

Most likely yea, but with the abundance of hidden spyware and virus in APK files, would you really risk it?..

i think there's an app that can download from Google Play store and make an apk file- can't remember the name

[adnj]

HUAWEI'S P20 Pro was one of the best phones of 2018 but it seems the value of this smartphone has been sent crashing to a new low.

Although Huawei has confirmed it will keep updating current software on devices it seems unlikely that phones, such as the P20 Pro, will receive any major Android upgrades in the future and that could be hugely disappointing for users.

Google recently revealed its new Android Q operating system which is expected to be released later this year.

But the new ban could mean Huawei users will now be stuck with the current Android 9 Pie OS and won’t ever get to see the new features on offer with Q.

This shock news seems to have created a rush of people trying to get rid of their phones.

Website musicMagpie said it saw Huawei trade-ins increase by 154 per cent following the news that Huawei’s use of Android is being restricted by Google

In fact, The Huawei P20 was the third most traded-in phone of the day at the tech site – this was ahead of popular devices such as the Samsung S8, iPhone 6 and iPhone 7.

“The trade-in value of the Huawei P20 Pro has dropped dramatically this week following Google’s announcement,” said Jon Miller, MD of Electronics at MusicMagpie.

“Although the company’s statement is clear that all current handsets will retain their access to the Play Store and customers will continue to be able to update their apps, consumer confidence has disappeared and right now, there is a lot of uncertainty in the market.”

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/science-technology/1131651/Huawei-P20-Pro-price-shock-trade-in-values-Google-Android-ban

[casper]

China needs to slap Ridiculous High TAxes on Any US company that manufactures anything in China...then watch and see what will happen- for sure that would sent the us into a recession

Why would China shoot themselves in the foot? They want the US manufacturing business.

cuz basically Trump and Google telling China "yea...know ur place and just stick to providing labor to the rest of the world and stop trying to make your own product"

rel unfair that they trying to hold China like that though....if China raises production costs for other companies theyd still be alot cheaper than what others can possibly provide.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Huawei is a lot bigger than a lot of ppl think - and 5G is the new Space Race
The US wants to win that global 5G race but China winning at it and are already years ahead of the US.

[maj. tom]

USA has to run their propaganda wars you know.

[Dizzy28]

Vietnam and Cambodia are even lower cost manufacturing locations than China. Even some Chinese companies are relocating there.

China needs to slap Ridiculous High TAxes on Any US company that manufactures anything in China...then watch and see what will happen- for sure that would sent the us into a recession

Why would China shoot themselves in the foot? They want the US manufacturing business.

cuz basically Trump and Google telling China "yea...know ur place and just stick to providing labor to the rest of the world and stop trying to make your own product"

rel unfair that they trying to hold China like that though....if China raises production costs for other companies theyd still be alot cheaper than what others can possibly provide.

[cryotec]

i heard ppl dumping their p30 for cheap over in europe. i would grab one in an instant if I was over there - imagine getting a barely used flagship for 200 euros just because you wouldnt be getting updates.

[maj. tom]

The biggest tech research giant in the world South Korea is also right next door to China. SK develops, China builds.
China has been investing heavily in Africa too, so they will have a sure supply of natural resources and rare earth metals.

[casper]

i heard ppl dumping their p30 for cheap over in europe. i would grab one in an instant if I was over there - imagine getting a barely used flagship for 200 euros just because you wouldnt be getting updates.

i somehow believe just because google not supporting Huawei doesnt mean they cant just go and do up their own OS like how apple has an exclusive one to them...i mean....they dont necessarily HAVE to use android...their app store if they do is a different story tho