Should Venezuelan refugees be allowed to live in T&T?

[adnj]

T&T has one of the lowest overstay rates in the US,lowest in the entire region and even lower than some countries that don't require a US Visa. It's only because we are a 'black' country we haven't been given a us Visa waiver..


Some of you would never give your country credit.,you seem to hate it..

Is it because you have to share it with African people?

And the only people from T&T that have ever classified themselves as refugees have been Indians seeking fake asylum in Canada in years gone by, one of the main reasons we lost our Canadian Visa waiver .

Trinidad has relatively opaque controls for money laundering, forced labor, sex trafficking, illegal guns, and illicit drug smuggling.

Furthermore, Trinidad has about 180,000 USA bound travelers each year, which is far from a normal percentage of visitors from most non-waiver countries.

Add that to the fact that nearly all Trinidad nationals are brown or black and you don't get to qualify for the visa waiver program.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... os/td.html

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files ... rBDJmSC_PD

[daxt0r]

like PNM lick bamc above forget d PNM supported CJ macomeyman boyfriend run away to UK under asylum after of course gettin free house paid for by tax paying citizens of which CEPEP , URP, gang members are not

[matr1x]

Didn't her family say that she wasn't raped?




The plot thickens.......

[bluefete]

Then they are responsible for their own fate.


Or more accurately, the pnm government is responsible for their fate. They brought them in to integrate and voter pad and keep winning their elections. And keep the east Indian population in constant fear.

In many ways, this is what pnm wants Trinidad to be. A breeding ground for their kind. The "doglarization " if you will

This is an interesting take. I never hear this one before.

Wait nah. Sat reincarnate orrr?

[mero]

Then they are responsible for their own fate.


Or more accurately, the pnm government is responsible for their fate. They brought them in to integrate and voter pad and keep winning their elections. And keep the east Indian population in constant fear.

In many ways, this is what pnm wants Trinidad to be. A breeding ground for their kind. The "doglarization " if you will

This is an interesting take. I never hear this one before.

Wait nah. Sat reincarnate orrr?

Yea call him Fat

[maj. tom]

This man sounding like one of those white racists in the 1960s in Southern USA who didn't want children to go to school together because of such fears. Fears that were never real and all made up in their heads. What a character of pitiful hatred and self-disgust he must be in real life to keep projecting here anonymously all the time on these forums. One would expect better of this generation and be able to escape the stupidity of their parents through education and social interaction. Apparently not though.

[zoom rader]

Then they are responsible for their own fate.


Or more accurately, the pnm government is responsible for their fate. They brought them in to integrate and voter pad and keep winning their elections. And keep the east Indian population in constant fear.

In many ways, this is what pnm wants Trinidad to be. A breeding ground for their kind. The "doglarization " if you will

This is an interesting take. I never hear this one before.

Wait nah. Sat reincarnate orrr?

Hanuman bless Sat, bess Injun ever

Mukdarr in PNM MC

[screwbash]

wasnt sat a pnm when he went up for couva north an lorse hands down to bas in the 70's. i tell allyuh all dem is fren and dem is the one who dividing we. next election no body shud go an vote and yuh go see in saparia the ballot count is 2 and in diego is 2 an is 2 vote in each constituency where each candidate vote for them selves, that would send a msg to the politicians.

[matr1x]

Then they are responsible for their own fate.


Or more accurately, the pnm government is responsible for their fate. They brought them in to integrate and voter pad and keep winning their elections. And keep the east Indian population in constant fear.

In many ways, this is what pnm wants Trinidad to be. A breeding ground for their kind. The "doglarization " if you will

This is an interesting take. I never hear this one before.

Wait nah. Sat reincarnate orrr?

Yea call him Fat

Look its mero! How dem dr. Raj treatments going?

[Dohplaydat]

wasnt sat a pnm when he went up for couva north an lorse hands down to bas in the 70's. i tell allyuh all dem is fren and dem is the one who dividing we. next election no body shud go an vote and yuh go see in saparia the ballot count is 2 and in diego is 2 an is 2 vote in each constituency where each candidate vote for them selves, that would send a msg to the politicians.

They are, and nothing wrong with being friends with your opponents, but put people first.

Panday and Manning were the best of friends, however their priorities were the people.

Understand who took over PNM and likewise who controlled the UNC from 2010 to present.

[matr1x]

This man sounding like one of those white racists in the 1960s in Southern USA who didn't want children to go to school together because of such fears. Fears that were never real and all made up in their heads. What a character of pitiful hatred and self-disgust he must be in real life to keep projecting here anonymously all the time on these forums. One would expect better of this generation and be able to escape the stupidity of their parents through education and social interaction. Apparently not though.

You didn't live though the 2000s, did you? People like you live in la la land.

Or you agreed with Calcutta ship statement?

[RedVEVO]

wasnt sat a pnm when he went up for couva north an lorse hands down to bas in the 70's. i tell allyuh all dem is fren and dem is the one who dividing we. next election no body shud go an vote and yuh go see in saparia the ballot count is 2 and in diego is 2 an is 2 vote in each constituency where each candidate vote for them selves, that would send a msg to the politicians.

They are, and nothing wrong with being friends with your opponents, but put people first.

Panday and Manning were the best of friends, however their priorities were the people.

Understand who took over PNM and likewise who controlled the UNC from 2010 to present.

Hmm .. Actually this is a quite a scholastic observation

There is more separation now than before

[Blaze d Chalice]

I usually see some of the fairest prettiest injun girls with the biggest darkest thug-looking type brothas.
Something about 'gorgon' or something.

No doubt Sat used to see this too and take it on a lot which probably contributed negatively to his health conditions.

[Blaze d Chalice]

Shameless stink trini rapists pests again

When allour really start to see Vene violence don't act all innocent and bawl "Wais dah one amigo?"





Keep it up.
Allour going real good.

[matr1x]

Ent black lives matter?

[screwbash]

yet all dem rush maracas yesterday like dem is trinis. the set that went back after being raped etc i hope they told the others across there and they stop coming. if this covid dont ease up after 28 days we know what will come. the latest man died after 9 days or so and yet allyuh want to defend the venes that bring back that sheit to our country. when they close kfc den allyuh go want to kick up.

[RedVEVO]

I usually see some of the fairest prettiest injun girls with the biggest darkest thug-looking type brothas.
Something about 'gorgon' or something.

No doubt Sat used to see this too and take it on a lot which probably contributed negatively to his health conditions.

That is not your business

Why you so green jello ?

[matr1x]

In the Southland they are an infestation. Every friggin where. Supporting them means you should be held accountable for all their activities.

Better then that people don't realize the economic power they hold. If they are hiring venes, do not support the businesses. Spread the word. Protest in front the business owners homes.

Every body get weepy over the young lady, but where is your empathy when assaults happen to a fellow trini?


With a tightening economy and more challenging conditions, why are we letting them stay here? Do we truly hate ourselves that much? They need to go back and sort out their country.

[RedVEVO]

In the Southland they are an infestation. Every friggin where. Supporting them means you should be held accountable for all their activities.

Better then that people don't realize the economic power they hold. If they are hiring venes, do not support the businesses. Spread the word. Protest in front the business owners homes.

Every body get weepy over the young lady, but where is your empathy when assaults happen to a fellow trini?


With a tightening economy and more challenging conditions, why are we letting them stay here? Do we truly hate ourselves that much? They need to go back and sort out their country.

Trini better than that for we realize the needed economic power and beauty Venes hold. If businesses are hiring Venes, it's your constitutional right via the UN agreement to support Venes and hence these businesses and see your business get stronger and prosper with an extended family and beautiful children . Spread the word. Protest in front the business owners homes that do not hire hard working Venes. They are our ONLY hope for a better future .

Every body get weepy over the young lady so stop the violence with Venes and welcome them into our homes and into our lives . But where is your empathy when assaults happen to a fellow Trini? Trini are responsible for their own protection and for the protection of Venes. Many Trini live in environs of their own design hence escalating crimes.

With a tightening economy and more challenging conditions, we should welcome and allow Venes to stay here since they work hard and are honest. Yes they are ! They teach the matrix people of our society how to be successful .We truly hate ourselves that much to deny our brother and sister Venes to proposer and have a family and enjoy their lives ? What is the matrix of our society afraid of ? That they will be left behind - AGAIN ? Support the Venes .More need to come and sort out this country.

[matr1x]

In the Southland they are an infestation. Every friggin where. Supporting them means you should be held accountable for all their activities.

Better then that people don't realize the economic power they hold. If they are hiring venes, do not support the businesses. Spread the word. Protest in front the business owners homes.

Every body get weepy over the young lady, but where is your empathy when assaults happen to a fellow trini?


With a tightening economy and more challenging conditions, why are we letting them stay here? Do we truly hate ourselves that much? They need to go back and sort out their country.

Trini better than that for we realize the needed economic power and beauty Venes hold. If businesses are hiring Venes, it's your constitutional right via the UN agreement to support Venes and hence these businesses and see your business get stronger and prosper with an extended family and beautiful children . Spread the word. Protest in front the business owners homes that do not hire hard working Venes. They are our ONLY hope for a better future .

Every body get weepy over the young lady so stop the violence with Venes and welcome them into our homes and into our lives . But where is your empathy when assaults happen to a fellow Trini? Trini are responsible for their own protection and for the protection of Venes. Many Trini live in environs of their own design hence escalating crimes.

With a tightening economy and more challenging conditions, we should welcome and allow Venes to stay here since they work hard and are honest. Yes they are ! They teach the matrix people of our society how to be successful .We truly hate ourselves that much to deny our brother and sister Venes to proposer and have a family and enjoy their lives ? What is the matrix of our society afraid of ? That they will be left behind - AGAIN ? Support the Venes .More need to come and sort out this country.

What nonsense are you spewing?

They are not our brothers and sisters. Not even a genetic heritage. All the money they are making is going back to Venezuela so they are of little benefit to Trinidad.


Apply legally and wait in Venezuela for permission. Like any other normal person. Running across like rats make you think they are up to no good. Our health system and support structure is more strained. And especially after the allegedly buying of marginal seats by depleting the heritage fund.


Trinidad of not the ATM of the Caribbean. For the sake of our children and our children's lives people need to realize these venes are an invasion. By hiring venes, you are saying it's ok to break laws. Sorry for the young lady, but she and her people should have not come over.

That trickle down immigrants economic has never worked. Sell it to someone more gullible. You see some clear skin girls, and you get dotish, that is what going on

[MaxPower]

In the Southland they are an infestation. Every friggin where. Supporting them means you should be held accountable for all their activities.

Better then that people don't realize the economic power they hold. If they are hiring venes, do not support the businesses. Spread the word. Protest in front the business owners homes.

Every body get weepy over the young lady, but where is your empathy when assaults happen to a fellow trini?


With a tightening economy and more challenging conditions, why are we letting them stay here? Do we truly hate ourselves that much? They need to go back and sort out their country.

Trini better than that for we realize the needed economic power and beauty Venes hold. If businesses are hiring Venes, it's your constitutional right via the UN agreement to support Venes and hence these businesses and see your business get stronger and prosper with an extended family and beautiful children . Spread the word. Protest in front the business owners homes that do not hire hard working Venes. They are our ONLY hope for a better future .

Every body get weepy over the young lady so stop the violence with Venes and welcome them into our homes and into our lives . But where is your empathy when assaults happen to a fellow Trini? Trini are responsible for their own protection and for the protection of Venes. Many Trini live in environs of their own design hence escalating crimes.

With a tightening economy and more challenging conditions, we should welcome and allow Venes to stay here since they work hard and are honest. Yes they are ! They teach the matrix people of our society how to be successful .We truly hate ourselves that much to deny our brother and sister Venes to proposer and have a family and enjoy their lives ? What is the matrix of our society afraid of ? That they will be left behind - AGAIN ? Support the Venes .More need to come and sort out this country.

Hello RedVEVO,

I am in full agreement with your comments.

We must be our brother’s keeper.

These poor souls are in need of urgent assistance, and T&T is their savior.

Let’s be mindful that these people are also human beings.

Are we that inhumane to turn away hungry mouths? When the big man above sends these people in our lives to test our kindness...are we to be tempted by the devil to scorn them?

“We are alot better than that” - Dr.Keith Rowley

[88sins]

Show of hands.
Besides the resident illegal aliens here, honest opinions wanted.
Which Trinis would be against it if one vessel was to either disable or esink another vessel full of Venezuelans in the midpoint of the small span of open waters between here and Venezuela?
Not necessarily saying to let them drown in open water, but the idea is to sink the vessel they on and pick them up and hand them over to their own guardia nacional.

This is a serious question fellas.

[Redman]

^^^Madness

Maybe we should use a toned down TTDF to DEFEND our borders.

Put patrols on every beach and landing spot supplementing close shore patrols.

[88sins]

Redman, I hear you.
Problem with that approach mostly hinged on a singular shortcoming, in that we simply DON'T have the manpower required to do it. That would require significantly increasing our forces numbers, & that's something that I seriously doubt we as a country can afford.

[MaxPower]

Show of hands.
Besides the resident illegal aliens here, honest opinions wanted.
Which Trinis would be against it if one vessel was to either disable or esink another vessel full of Venezuelans in the midpoint of the small span of open waters between here and Venezuela?
Not necessarily saying to let them drown in open water, but the idea is to sink the vessel they on and pick them up and hand them over to their own guardia nacional.

This is a serious question fellas.

Reek,

You seem to be having some issues with understanding some terms. First it was the “wetbacks” which refers to Mexicans and now “resident illegal aliens”?. Moving on, its either a resident OR illegal alien. Google the two, read, understand, rephrase. Dont take it on too much, we all learn something new everyday.

But to answer your question, i am totally against that inhumane act that you support. That will never happen, mark my word.

If the Govt wants the Venezuelans here, if the business communities and the majority of the public want them.....why sink a boat? Does that conform with the policies and procedures of the TTCG? Is T&T that low to sink their neighbor’s boat? Are these people putting up a fight?

I dunno why you Trinis always like to fight down those who do better. This is not your daily doubles man burning down another’s cart eh. We are dealing with humans here Reek, humans.

Im sure if or when T&T reaches that stage and you flee to another country, you would not like if someone kicks your son/daughter off a boat.

Again, we understand the issue of the illegal entries, i must admit that due to their sad situation there is quite a substantial amount of support and understandable leniency towards the humanity of these sweet people.

We must be cognizant on how we do things and understand the consequences of our actions from ALL angles.

Can you imagine a few month old baby in a boat that you are calling to “esink” in this small span of open water with a mother who cannot swim. You talking about “esinking” and disabling and open waters hinting what you really want and then saying not to let them drown? Lol Dont play with other peoples life son.

Not every Vene coming here are criminals and whores. We have some very good people who just want to continue being good and have a better life.

Intercept the boats safely and process the illegals in accordance with the Immigration Laws of T&T.

[Ben_spanna]

talk around is that 4 mother fishing boats docked Monday morning in Chaguaramas all full of illegals and were allowed to do so, so my question is who are the owners of this jetty and why havent they put stricter rules regarding who can dock?
Obviously someone is not paying attention and others are in some way profiting from this type of operation.

[Redress10]

In the Southland they are an infestation. Every friggin where. Supporting them means you should be held accountable for all their activities.

Better then that people don't realize the economic power they hold. If they are hiring venes, do not support the businesses. Spread the word. Protest in front the business owners homes.

Every body get weepy over the young lady, but where is your empathy when assaults happen to a fellow trini?


With a tightening economy and more challenging conditions, why are we letting them stay here? Do we truly hate ourselves that much? They need to go back and sort out their country.

Trini better than that for we realize the needed economic power and beauty Venes hold. If businesses are hiring Venes, it's your constitutional right via the UN agreement to support Venes and hence these businesses and see your business get stronger and prosper with an extended family and beautiful children . Spread the word. Protest in front the business owners homes that do not hire hard working Venes. They are our ONLY hope for a better future .

Every body get weepy over the young lady so stop the violence with Venes and welcome them into our homes and into our lives . But where is your empathy when assaults happen to a fellow Trini? Trini are responsible for their own protection and for the protection of Venes. Many Trini live in environs of their own design hence escalating crimes.

With a tightening economy and more challenging conditions, we should welcome and allow Venes to stay here since they work hard and are honest. Yes they are ! They teach the matrix people of our society how to be successful .We truly hate ourselves that much to deny our brother and sister Venes to proposer and have a family and enjoy their lives ? What is the matrix of our society afraid of ? That they will be left behind - AGAIN ? Support the Venes .More need to come and sort out this country.

What nonsense are you spewing?

They are not our brothers and sisters. Not even a genetic heritage. All the money they are making is going back to Venezuela so they are of little benefit to Trinidad.


Apply legally and wait in Venezuela for permission. Like any other normal person. Running across like rats make you think they are up to no good. Our health system and support structure is more strained. And especially after the allegedly buying of marginal seats by depleting the heritage fund.


Trinidad of not the ATM of the Caribbean. For the sake of our children and our children's lives people need to realize these venes are an invasion. By hiring venes, you are saying it's ok to break laws. Sorry for the young lady, but she and her people should have not come over.

That trickle down immigrants economic has never worked. Sell it to someone more gullible. You see some clear skin girls, and you get dotish, that is what going on

Well actually, during slavery many slaves and indigenous people were in relationships etc. This relationship is centuries old.

Would probably be news to some people who "recently arrived" to the region though. That is why it's important to know ya history.

Ask yaself why Venezuela is divided between rich and poor. Why is it that the opposition parties mainly constitute the descendants of "european" heritage and the ruling party mainly constitute people of indigenous heritage. This "fight" has been going on for centuries.

[adnj]

Show of hands.
Besides the resident illegal aliens here, honest opinions wanted.
Which Trinis would be against it if one vessel was to either disable or esink another vessel full of Venezuelans in the midpoint of the small span of open waters between here and Venezuela?
Not necessarily saying to let them drown in open water, but the idea is to sink the vessel they on and pick them up and hand them over to their own guardia nacional.

This is a serious question fellas.

Reek,

You seem to be having some issues with understanding some terms. First it was the “wetbacks” which refers to Mexicans and now “resident illegal aliens”?. Moving on, its either a resident OR illegal alien. Google the two, read, understand, rephrase. Dont take it on too much, we all learn something new everyday.

But to answer your question, i am totally against that inhumane act that you support. That will never happen, mark my word.

If the Govt wants the Venezuelans here, if the business communities and the majority of the public want them.....why sink a boat? Does that conform with the policies and procedures of the TTCG? Is T&T that low to sink their neighbor’s boat? Are these people putting up a fight?

I dunno why you Trinis always like to fight down those who do better. This is not your daily doubles man burning down another’s cart eh. We are dealing with humans here Reek, humans.

Im sure if or when T&T reaches that stage and you flee to another country, you would not like if someone kicks your son/daughter off a boat.

Again, we understand the issue of the illegal entries, i must admit that due to their sad situation there is quite a substantial amount of support and understandable leniency towards the humanity of these sweet people.

We must be cognizant on how we do things and understand the consequences of our actions from ALL angles.

Can you imagine a few month old baby in a boat that you are calling to “esink” in this small span of open water with a mother who cannot swim. You talking about “esinking” and disabling and open waters hinting what you really want and then saying not to let them drown? Lol Dont play with other peoples life son.

Not every Vene coming here are criminals and whores. We have some very good people who just want to continue being good and have a better life.

Intercept the boats safely and process the illegals in accordance with the Immigration Laws of T&T.

I continue to see a great deal of whimsical thinking with respect to what needs to be done to stop the Venezuelan refugees from entering Trinidad but the simply answer is that there is nothing that can be done at the border.

By international treaty, Trinidad is legally bound to accept and process refugees. All refugees.

If you want to slow the flow of refugees, address the underlying issue that is true in every case of refugee migration -- home country instability due to war, famine and/or political corruption.

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Trinidad and Tobago: signs refugee convention & protocol

This is a summary of what was said by UNHCR spokesperson Kris Janowski – to whom quoted text may be attributed – at today's press briefing at the Palais des Nations in Geneva.

10 November 2000

Trinidad and Tobago on November 2nd became the 140th country to sign the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and its 1967 Protocol - the foundations of international refugee law.

Until now, Trinidad and Tobago had not instituted legal provisions for refugees to seek protection from persecution, but handled requests for asylum on a case-by-case basis. Accession to the Convention will assist the government in determining refugee status and will help ensure that refugees in need of protection are treated according to international standards.

https://www.unhcr.org/news/briefing/200 ... ugee%20law.

[Redress10]

Show of hands.
Besides the resident illegal aliens here, honest opinions wanted.
Which Trinis would be against it if one vessel was to either disable or esink another vessel full of Venezuelans in the midpoint of the small span of open waters between here and Venezuela?
Not necessarily saying to let them drown in open water, but the idea is to sink the vessel they on and pick them up and hand them over to their own guardia nacional.

This is a serious question fellas.

Reek,

You seem to be having some issues with understanding some terms. First it was the “wetbacks” which refers to Mexicans and now “resident illegal aliens”?. Moving on, its either a resident OR illegal alien. Google the two, read, understand, rephrase. Dont take it on too much, we all learn something new everyday.

But to answer your question, i am totally against that inhumane act that you support. That will never happen, mark my word.

If the Govt wants the Venezuelans here, if the business communities and the majority of the public want them.....why sink a boat? Does that conform with the policies and procedures of the TTCG? Is T&T that low to sink their neighbor’s boat? Are these people putting up a fight?

I dunno why you Trinis always like to fight down those who do better. This is not your daily doubles man burning down another’s cart eh. We are dealing with humans here Reek, humans.

Im sure if or when T&T reaches that stage and you flee to another country, you would not like if someone kicks your son/daughter off a boat.

Again, we understand the issue of the illegal entries, i must admit that due to their sad situation there is quite a substantial amount of support and understandable leniency towards the humanity of these sweet people.

We must be cognizant on how we do things and understand the consequences of our actions from ALL angles.

Can you imagine a few month old baby in a boat that you are calling to “esink” in this small span of open water with a mother who cannot swim. You talking about “esinking” and disabling and open waters hinting what you really want and then saying not to let them drown? Lol Dont play with other peoples life son.

Not every Vene coming here are criminals and whores. We have some very good people who just want to continue being good and have a better life.

Intercept the boats safely and process the illegals in accordance with the Immigration Laws of T&T.

He's also advocating this on a country that we have had familial relations with for centuries and a diplomatic ally. The sinking of boats could constitute an attack on a nation which could result in retaliation. Really shows just how some people don't have a clue just how diplomacy works.

Do we really want to aggravate Venezuela who is regarded as a military power globally when they are just 4 miles away?

[Lou Screuz]

we do not have to sink no boat
we do not have to be cacaholes about this

1 - Intercept vessel as they try to land on shore
2 - Do not allow them to disembark
3 - Call up the Guardia National
4 - Coordinate a pick up at a pre determined location at the border
5 - Give them all the care package and hamper you want
6 - Tow out their boat and hand them over safe and sound
7 - Repeat

don't make a song and dance about it
don't tell the UN or CNC3