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adnj wrote:Shots give COVID-19 survivors big immune boost, studies show
Even people who have recovered from COVID-19 are urged to get vaccinated, especially as the extra-contagious delta variant surges — and a new study shows survivors who ignored that advice were more than twice as likely to get reinfected.
Friday’s report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention adds to growing laboratory evidence that people who had one bout of COVID-19 get a dramatic boost in virus-fighting immune cells — and a bonus of broader protection against new mutants — when they’re vaccinated.
“If you have had COVID-19 before, please still get vaccinated,” said CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky. “Getting the vaccine is the best way to protect yourself and others around you, especially as the more contagious delta variant spreads around the country.”
https://apnews.com/article/science-heal ... 41a7310c2e
What's the necessary sample size in this instance? We are trying to achieve 95%+ confidence.elec2020 wrote:adnj wrote:Shots give COVID-19 survivors big immune boost, studies show
Even people who have recovered from COVID-19 are urged to get vaccinated, especially as the extra-contagious delta variant surges — and a new study shows survivors who ignored that advice were more than twice as likely to get reinfected.
Friday’s report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention adds to growing laboratory evidence that people who had one bout of COVID-19 get a dramatic boost in virus-fighting immune cells — and a bonus of broader protection against new mutants — when they’re vaccinated.
“If you have had COVID-19 before, please still get vaccinated,” said CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky. “Getting the vaccine is the best way to protect yourself and others around you, especially as the more contagious delta variant spreads around the country.”
https://apnews.com/article/science-heal ... 41a7310c2e
again making definitive statements using a sample size (less than 1000 individuals) that is literally a fraction of the target population. I don't understand how you can make such definitive statements when you barely, barely used a sample that adequately represents the target population.
Mine was a rhetorical question. I understand the parameters. My friend that was quoted above apparently does not.VexXx Dogg wrote:Sample size considerations in medical studies have been extensively researched. If you have access to reputable journals/databases, just do a quick search and do your own meta-analysis if desired.
If you find some widely cited studies, you may be lucky to contact them via researchgate.net and they're usually very helpful. At least the social science authors I contacted were ubercool and gave me free papers that was otherwise paywalled.
MASS CHAOS
There was mass chaos at UTT Munroe Road vaccination site today as hundreds of people rushed for the AstraZeneca vaccine.
The confusion stemmed from no proper system in place as those with appointments and walk-ins were all lumped into one.
Having an appointment was useless.
Tempers flew as the rains fell and people stood in line drenched.
Express senior journalist Anna Ramdass captured this video.
paid_influencer wrote:https://www.facebook.com/CCNTV6/posts/5888031844572292MASS CHAOS
There was mass chaos at UTT Munroe Road vaccination site today as hundreds of people rushed for the AstraZeneca vaccine.
The confusion stemmed from no proper system in place as those with appointments and walk-ins were all lumped into one.
Having an appointment was useless.
Tempers flew as the rains fell and people stood in line drenched.
Express senior journalist Anna Ramdass captured this video.
laff
adnj wrote:Mine was a rhetorical question. I understand the parameters. My friend that was quoted above apparently does not.VexXx Dogg wrote:Sample size considerations in medical studies have been extensively researched. If you have access to reputable journals/databases, just do a quick search and do your own meta-analysis if desired.
If you find some widely cited studies, you may be lucky to contact them via researchgate.net and they're usually very helpful. At least the social science authors I contacted were ubercool and gave me free papers that was otherwise paywalled.
You fraid rain more than covid?paid_influencer wrote:people just standing up in that rain normel normel yes
Trinidad and Tobago Police Service
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CoP: TTPS did not shut down SAPA Vaccine Drive
Commissioner of Police, Gary Griffith, says that contrary to reports, the TTPS did not shut down the vaccination drive at the Southern Academy for the Performing Arts (SAPA) this morning.
The CoP said because of the large number of persons expected for appointments and walk-ins, as well as the inclement weather, persons had to break their lines to seek shelter.
Commissioner Griffith noted that SAPA was open at 7.15 am with lines for the first and second dose of the
Sinopharm vaccine; the first dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine, as well as those who walked in. The organizers of the event catered for at least 1,000 persons.
The CoP said that police officers were assigned to monitor the event, but because some persons turned up before their appointment times, together with the arrival of the walk-ins, and the constant rain, persons left their lines to seek shelter.
The CoP said because of the rain, operations at the SAPA compound were disrupted for a short while. Commissioner Griffith said more persons are expected at SAPA tomorrow, Tuesday, August 10th. He assured the officers of the TTPS will also be out for tomorrow's vaccination drive.
timelapse wrote:You fraid rain more than covid?paid_influencer wrote:people just standing up in that rain normel normel yes
hover11 wrote:People in this country like to cause their own distress. The last few weeks vaccines were available all over the country and they not going. Today they rather wait in the rain for AZ
elec2020 wrote:adnj wrote:Mine was a rhetorical question. I understand the parameters. My friend that was quoted above apparently does not.VexXx Dogg wrote:Sample size considerations in medical studies have been extensively researched. If you have access to reputable journals/databases, just do a quick search and do your own meta-analysis if desired.
If you find some widely cited studies, you may be lucky to contact them via researchgate.net and they're usually very helpful. At least the social science authors I contacted were ubercool and gave me free papers that was otherwise paywalled.
lol. I see what u trying to do. If you whole heartedly believe that a sample size of less than 1000 is a good enough representation of the target population for you to then say that beyond a doubt all people who recovered from covid should still get the vaccine then you do you. Let me put it another way, there have been about 203 million covid-19 cases. Using this information, keeping in mind vaccinated people and double cases, lets say 100 million unvaccinated people got the virus (very generous mind you). You now telling that 100 million people that even after they got anti-bodies following there battle with the virus they should still get the vaccine as my study of less than 1000 people (basically 0.001 per cent of the very generous target population) said so. LOL. Ok 'Mr. Scientist'
adnj wrote:Mine was a rhetorical question. I understand the parameters. My friend that was quoted above apparently does not.VexXx Dogg wrote:Sample size considerations in medical studies have been extensively researched. If you have access to reputable journals/databases, just do a quick search and do your own meta-analysis if desired.
If you find some widely cited studies, you may be lucky to contact them via researchgate.net and they're usually very helpful. At least the social science authors I contacted were ubercool and gave me free papers that was otherwise paywalled.
VexXx Dogg wrote:elec2020 wrote:adnj wrote:Mine was a rhetorical question. I understand the parameters. My friend that was quoted above apparently does not.VexXx Dogg wrote:Sample size considerations in medical studies have been extensively researched. If you have access to reputable journals/databases, just do a quick search and do your own meta-analysis if desired.
If you find some widely cited studies, you may be lucky to contact them via researchgate.net and they're usually very helpful. At least the social science authors I contacted were ubercool and gave me free papers that was otherwise paywalled.
lol. I see what u trying to do. If you whole heartedly believe that a sample size of less than 1000 is a good enough representation of the target population for you to then say that beyond a doubt all people who recovered from covid should still get the vaccine then you do you. Let me put it another way, there have been about 203 million covid-19 cases. Using this information, keeping in mind vaccinated people and double cases, lets say 100 million unvaccinated people got the virus (very generous mind you). You now telling that 100 million people that even after they got anti-bodies following there battle with the virus they should still get the vaccine as my study of less than 1000 people (basically 0.001 per cent of the very generous target population) said so. LOL. Ok 'Mr. Scientist'
me? nah. I am still a budding researcher in social / information sciences. I've barely scratched the surface with sampling in SocSci, which is very different from clinical studies so they are not comparable at all. I just did a keyword search out of curiousity and a number of papers specific to medicine jumped out. Epistemology is a whole focus area by itself.
elec2020 wrote:VexXx Dogg wrote:elec2020 wrote:adnj wrote:Mine was a rhetorical question. I understand the parameters. My friend that was quoted above apparently does not.VexXx Dogg wrote:Sample size considerations in medical studies have been extensively researched. If you have access to reputable journals/databases, just do a quick search and do your own meta-analysis if desired.
If you find some widely cited studies, you may be lucky to contact them via researchgate.net and they're usually very helpful. At least the social science authors I contacted were ubercool and gave me free papers that was otherwise paywalled.
lol. I see what u trying to do. If you whole heartedly believe that a sample size of less than 1000 is a good enough representation of the target population for you to then say that beyond a doubt all people who recovered from covid should still get the vaccine then you do you. Let me put it another way, there have been about 203 million covid-19 cases. Using this information, keeping in mind vaccinated people and double cases, lets say 100 million unvaccinated people got the virus (very generous mind you). You now telling that 100 million people that even after they got anti-bodies following there battle with the virus they should still get the vaccine as my study of less than 1000 people (basically 0.001 per cent of the very generous target population) said so. LOL. Ok 'Mr. Scientist'
me? nah. I am still a budding researcher in social / information sciences. I've barely scratched the surface with sampling in SocSci, which is very different from clinical studies so they are not comparable at all. I just did a keyword search out of curiousity and a number of papers specific to medicine jumped out. Epistemology is a whole focus area by itself.
i not on your case. My comment is for adnj. I am also in social sciences. My Msc is in Financial Economics. And yes the two are very different fields (that is social sciences and medicine). However, making definitive statements on 0.001 per cent of your target population is laughable. And maybe that is the gold standard in medical research (although I highly doubt that), but from a neutral point, that is not credible at all. Hence why I highlighted that to adnj who then tried to criticize me by basically calling me foolish. Well sorry if its foolish to question how a paper can make definitive claims when its dataset only captures 0.001 per cent of its target population. Let me put it another way, let's say I forwarded this thread to 20 people to get their views on it (given our population size of 1.395 million, 20/1395000 is 0.001 per cent of the total population) and they all said that adnj is a fool then given adnj's strong defense of the previously mention paper then the whole of T&T thinks that adnj is a fool.
You tell we nah doctor...we don't knowDMan7 wrote:People really think AZ better than Sinopharm?
redmanjp wrote:good news. so ppl weren't vaccine hesitant, just sinopharm hesitant!
DMan7 wrote:People really think AZ better than Sinopharm?
VexXx Dogg wrote:elec2020 wrote:adnj wrote:Mine was a rhetorical question. I understand the parameters. My friend that was quoted above apparently does not.VexXx Dogg wrote:Sample size considerations in medical studies have been extensively researched. If you have access to reputable journals/databases, just do a quick search and do your own meta-analysis if desired.
If you find some widely cited studies, you may be lucky to contact them via researchgate.net and they're usually very helpful. At least the social science authors I contacted were ubercool and gave me free papers that was otherwise paywalled.
lol. I see what u trying to do. If you whole heartedly believe that a sample size of less than 1000 is a good enough representation of the target population for you to then say that beyond a doubt all people who recovered from covid should still get the vaccine then you do you. Let me put it another way, there have been about 203 million covid-19 cases. Using this information, keeping in mind vaccinated people and double cases, lets say 100 million unvaccinated people got the virus (very generous mind you). You now telling that 100 million people that even after they got anti-bodies following there battle with the virus they should still get the vaccine as my study of less than 1000 people (basically 0.001 per cent of the very generous target population) said so. LOL. Ok 'Mr. Scientist'
me? nah. I am still a budding researcher in social / information sciences. I've barely scratched the surface with sampling in SocSci, which is very different from clinical studies so they are not comparable at all. I just did a keyword search out of curiousity and a number of papers specific to medicine jumped out. Epistemology is a whole focus area by itself.
elec2020 wrote:VexXx Dogg wrote:elec2020 wrote:adnj wrote:Mine was a rhetorical question. I understand the parameters. My friend that was quoted above apparently does not.VexXx Dogg wrote:Sample size considerations in medical studies have been extensively researched. If you have access to reputable journals/databases, just do a quick search and do your own meta-analysis if desired.
If you find some widely cited studies, you may be lucky to contact them via researchgate.net and they're usually very helpful. At least the social science authors I contacted were ubercool and gave me free papers that was otherwise paywalled.
lol. I see what u trying to do. If you whole heartedly believe that a sample size of less than 1000 is a good enough representation of the target population for you to then say that beyond a doubt all people who recovered from covid should still get the vaccine then you do you. Let me put it another way, there have been about 203 million covid-19 cases. Using this information, keeping in mind vaccinated people and double cases, lets say 100 million unvaccinated people got the virus (very generous mind you). You now telling that 100 million people that even after they got anti-bodies following there battle with the virus they should still get the vaccine as my study of less than 1000 people (basically 0.001 per cent of the very generous target population) said so. LOL. Ok 'Mr. Scientist'
me? nah. I am still a budding researcher in social / information sciences. I've barely scratched the surface with sampling in SocSci, which is very different from clinical studies so they are not comparable at all. I just did a keyword search out of curiousity and a number of papers specific to medicine jumped out. Epistemology is a whole focus area by itself.
i not on your case. My comment is for adnj. I am also in social sciences. My Msc is in Financial Economics. And yes the two are very different fields (that is social sciences and medicine). However, making definitive statements on 0.001 per cent of your target population is laughable. And maybe that is the gold standard in medical research (although I highly doubt that), but from a neutral point, that is not credible at all. Hence why I highlighted that to adnj who then tried to criticize me by basically calling me foolish. Well sorry if its foolish to question how a paper can make definitive claims when its dataset only captures 0.001 per cent of its target population. Let me put it another way, let's say I forwarded this thread to 20 people to get their views on it (given our population size of 1.395 million, 20/1395000 is 0.001 per cent of the total population) and they all said that adnj is a fool then given adnj's strong defense of the previously mention paper then the whole of T&T thinks that adnj is a fool.
bluefete wrote:elec2020 wrote:VexXx Dogg wrote:elec2020 wrote:adnj wrote:Mine was a rhetorical question. I understand the parameters. My friend that was quoted above apparently does not.VexXx Dogg wrote:Sample size considerations in medical studies have been extensively researched. If you have access to reputable journals/databases, just do a quick search and do your own meta-analysis if desired.
If you find some widely cited studies, you may be lucky to contact them via researchgate.net and they're usually very helpful. At least the social science authors I contacted were ubercool and gave me free papers that was otherwise paywalled.
lol. I see what u trying to do. If you whole heartedly believe that a sample size of less than 1000 is a good enough representation of the target population for you to then say that beyond a doubt all people who recovered from covid should still get the vaccine then you do you. Let me put it another way, there have been about 203 million covid-19 cases. Using this information, keeping in mind vaccinated people and double cases, lets say 100 million unvaccinated people got the virus (very generous mind you). You now telling that 100 million people that even after they got anti-bodies following there battle with the virus they should still get the vaccine as my study of less than 1000 people (basically 0.001 per cent of the very generous target population) said so. LOL. Ok 'Mr. Scientist'
me? nah. I am still a budding researcher in social / information sciences. I've barely scratched the surface with sampling in SocSci, which is very different from clinical studies so they are not comparable at all. I just did a keyword search out of curiousity and a number of papers specific to medicine jumped out. Epistemology is a whole focus area by itself.
i not on your case. My comment is for adnj. I am also in social sciences. My Msc is in Financial Economics. And yes the two are very different fields (that is social sciences and medicine). However, making definitive statements on 0.001 per cent of your target population is laughable. And maybe that is the gold standard in medical research (although I highly doubt that), but from a neutral point, that is not credible at all. Hence why I highlighted that to adnj who then tried to criticize me by basically calling me foolish. Well sorry if its foolish to question how a paper can make definitive claims when its dataset only captures 0.001 per cent of its target population. Let me put it another way, let's say I forwarded this thread to 20 people to get their views on it (given our population size of 1.395 million, 20/1395000 is 0.001 per cent of the total population) and they all said that adnj is a fool then given adnj's strong defense of the previously mention paper then the whole of T&T thinks that adnj is a fool.
Isn't that how results are extrapolated into the wider area regardless of sample size?
adnj wrote:VexXx Dogg wrote:elec2020 wrote:adnj wrote:Mine was a rhetorical question. I understand the parameters. My friend that was quoted above apparently does not.VexXx Dogg wrote:Sample size considerations in medical studies have been extensively researched. If you have access to reputable journals/databases, just do a quick search and do your own meta-analysis if desired.
If you find some widely cited studies, you may be lucky to contact them via researchgate.net and they're usually very helpful. At least the social science authors I contacted were ubercool and gave me free papers that was otherwise paywalled.
lol. I see what u trying to do. If you whole heartedly believe that a sample size of less than 1000 is a good enough representation of the target population for you to then say that beyond a doubt all people who recovered from covid should still get the vaccine then you do you. Let me put it another way, there have been about 203 million covid-19 cases. Using this information, keeping in mind vaccinated people and double cases, lets say 100 million unvaccinated people got the virus (very generous mind you). You now telling that 100 million people that even after they got anti-bodies following there battle with the virus they should still get the vaccine as my study of less than 1000 people (basically 0.001 per cent of the very generous target population) said so. LOL. Ok 'Mr. Scientist'
me? nah. I am still a budding researcher in social / information sciences. I've barely scratched the surface with sampling in SocSci, which is very different from clinical studies so they are not comparable at all. I just did a keyword search out of curiousity and a number of papers specific to medicine jumped out. Epistemology is a whole focus area by itself.
@Vex Dogg: your point was clear and well made, in my opinion. The argument that our f*cked-up homie attempted to make is that the sample size was too small. He makes this dumbass comment often. He is unaware that when the possible outcomes are reduced, the quality of the study's result is not significantly enhanced by further increasing the sample size.
Although I appreciate your humility, most statistical analyses are more a consequence of the chosen parameters than the discipline. Studies in the Social Sciences just tend to be more complex.
95% confidence interval was 1.58 to 3.47 times as likely to be reinfected.elec2020 wrote:bluefete wrote:elec2020 wrote:VexXx Dogg wrote:elec2020 wrote:adnj wrote:Mine was a rhetorical question. I understand the parameters. My friend that was quoted above apparently does not.VexXx Dogg wrote:Sample size considerations in medical studies have been extensively researched. If you have access to reputable journals/databases, just do a quick search and do your own meta-analysis if desired.
If you find some widely cited studies, you may be lucky to contact them via researchgate.net and they're usually very helpful. At least the social science authors I contacted were ubercool and gave me free papers that was otherwise paywalled.
lol. I see what u trying to do. If you whole heartedly believe that a sample size of less than 1000 is a good enough representation of the target population for you to then say that beyond a doubt all people who recovered from covid should still get the vaccine then you do you. Let me put it another way, there have been about 203 million covid-19 cases. Using this information, keeping in mind vaccinated people and double cases, lets say 100 million unvaccinated people got the virus (very generous mind you). You now telling that 100 million people that even after they got anti-bodies following there battle with the virus they should still get the vaccine as my study of less than 1000 people (basically 0.001 per cent of the very generous target population) said so. LOL. Ok 'Mr. Scientist'
me? nah. I am still a budding researcher in social / information sciences. I've barely scratched the surface with sampling in SocSci, which is very different from clinical studies so they are not comparable at all. I just did a keyword search out of curiousity and a number of papers specific to medicine jumped out. Epistemology is a whole focus area by itself.
i not on your case. My comment is for adnj. I am also in social sciences. My Msc is in Financial Economics. And yes the two are very different fields (that is social sciences and medicine). However, making definitive statements on 0.001 per cent of your target population is laughable. And maybe that is the gold standard in medical research (although I highly doubt that), but from a neutral point, that is not credible at all. Hence why I highlighted that to adnj who then tried to criticize me by basically calling me foolish. Well sorry if its foolish to question how a paper can make definitive claims when its dataset only captures 0.001 per cent of its target population. Let me put it another way, let's say I forwarded this thread to 20 people to get their views on it (given our population size of 1.395 million, 20/1395000 is 0.001 per cent of the total population) and they all said that adnj is a fool then given adnj's strong defense of the previously mention paper then the whole of T&T thinks that adnj is a fool.
Isn't that how results are extrapolated into the wider area regardless of sample size?
In statistics you will never be able to capture your full target population. So yes, you extrapolate the results. Thats where margin of error comes in. Given that concept, you will have a ridiculous margin of error for conclusions extrapolated on a dataset that represents 0.001 per cent of your target population. Is that not a fair assessment?
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