Guyana-Venezuela border dispute

[K74T]

BREAKING NEWS: Five dead in GDF helicopter crash

Reports are that five occupants of the Guyana Defence Force (GDF) Bell412 helicopter which disappeared on Wednesday between Arau and Ekereku in Region Seven on Wednesday died after the aircraft crashed in the jungle.

Those confirmed dead are Lieutenant Colonel Michael Charles, Colonel Michael Shaoud, Lieutenant Colonel Shaun Welcome Staff Sergeant Jason Khan and Brigadier (Ret’d) Gary Beaton. Lieutenant Andio Michael Crawford and Corporal Dwayne Jackson survived the crash.

On Thursday, the rescue mission whose members included four teams was making arrangements to recover the bodies and survivors from the scene.

GDF’s Chief of Staff, Brigadier Omar Khan said that persons onboard were heading to Arau, located at the country’s western border with Venezuela. Colonel Shaoud was in charge of the mission and their duty was to visit soldiers stationed there. The GDF said in a statement that the helicopter departed Camp Ayangana around 09:23hrs.

Khan told reporters at a press conference that the helicopter had stopped at Olive Creek in Region Seven to refuel but shortly after taking off contact was lost with the chopper and its crew onboard. GDF said that it was around 11:20 hrs.

The Chief of Staff said it has no report of anyone seeing what had happened to the helicopter when it took off from Olive Creek.

[maj. tom]

Lots of high ranks. Jus ad bellum textbook practice is for high ranks not to travel together.

[paid_influencer]

rip, died defending their country

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Naval option of invasion passes through T&T waters

[Dohplaydat]

Naval option of invasion passes through T&T waters
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Yea that's going to be concerning....

[paid_influencer]

Naval option of invasion passes through T&T waters
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this is fine

should we be stocking up

[DMan7]

Another issue for Guyana discovering oil soo late in the game not only because the world is trying to push towards renewable energy but also nations trying to takeover land from their neighbors that are resource rich. Who woulda even thunk about the second issue being a possibility? Now Venezuela is most likely feeling emboldened to make moves they probably would've never made before now since they are seeing other nations trying to forcefully take what they rightfully believe is theirs and likely getting through with it without anyone doing anything to stop it.

[maj. tom]

Venezuela Orders Arrest of Top Opposition Figures, Claiming Treason

The attorney general, Tarek William Saab, said that opponents of the leftist government had accepted money from ExxonMobil to sabotage President Nicolás Maduro’s recent referendum on annexing a large, oil-rich region in Guyana. The oil company could not immediately be reached for comment.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/06/world/americas/venezuela-opposition-arrest-orders.html

[redmanjp]

Naval option of invasion passes through T&T waters
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Yea that's going to be concerning....

but we would be forced to let them- otherwise recent gas deals might be on the line

[SuperiorMan]

Putin and his padnas trying to stretch US resources thin.

[MaxPower]

Putin and his padnas trying to stretch US resources thin.

Supes,

How things man?

The Commander is in the lead as expected.

[88sins]

[

quote="88sins"]Maduro feel he bright.
Wait until America involved in multiple conflicts and stretched thin before you make your move, that way they less likely to get too deeply involved with what you doing, and if they do try to get involved, they only gonna be able to afford to do so much.

But one must ask oneself the questions.

If Venezuela is not stopped in their tracks now, after invading and reclaiming Essequibo, what exactly what is to stop them from pushing forward and seizing military control of the whole of Guyana?

And who's to say they won't continue the campaign and move on to Suriname, or even T&T?

Interesting times we're in.[/quote]

I don't think he cares about Guyana in that way but I do believe that they legitimately believe that essequibo is theirs. I think what emboldens that belief is the fact that this started in colonial times where the current majority of inhabitants of Guyana were not a significant role player back in 1840s etc. So it's now an easy argument for them to question the legitimacy of Guyana retaining that land now that colonial days are over.

I also think what has triggered this response is the drilling by US oil companies in the area whilst Venezuela is under US sanctions. Is like a spit in the face to them. They basically seeing Guyana as facilitating the plunder of south american resources to imperialist after centuries and more recently decades of gaining control from those ppl etc.[/quote]

They don't see them that way? So why the sudden desperate need to "reclaim" that region? It have more in the mortar than the pestle.
If what's being said is accurate, that Guyana has enough oil reserves to bump the UAE down a peg, and that is without even mentioning the likelihood that there's probably gold in that region as well, we can see the reason for their motivation.
As regards them seeing US oil companies operating in Guyana as disrespect, the US recently eased sanctions to allow the sales of Venezuelan oil to US companies, and they have been doing so.

It have more to this than feelings.
And I am beginning to have very strong suspicions that Maduro has the idea that now is the ideal time to unleash his imperialist nature on the region.
Mark my words, after Essiquibo, if they get little enough resistance, they will seek to take the entirety of Guyana, from there, Suriname next, and then the nearby small islands.

[maj. tom]

I hope the Trinis over there know to get on a flight home as soon as Venezuela steps foot across the border. Because it all going to hell from that point. Don't "wait and see" if a bomb going to fall on Georgetown.

[Dizzy28]

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[mero]

Guyana go hadda fightup yes.

[pugboy]

maduro army might have some size but old equipment
they will get obliterated from the first wave of us response

the terrain there is extremely difficult so it’s not a simple creep in to take over either

[88sins]

maduro army might have some size but old equipment
they will get obliterated from the first wave of us response

the terrain there is extremely difficult so it’s not a simple creep in to take over either

It will be a situation of Venezuela attempting to advance over difficult and inhospitable terrain, only to be met with Guyanese guerrilla warfare tactics.
Because to put it bluntly, Venezuela has the numbers, so the only effective fight Guyana can putbup will have to be a dirty one.

[Alpha_2nr]

china policy is non-intervention leave the savages to do what they want outside the wall we should be more like china they are a better people

The recent annexation(s) by Russia have set a new normal in the world.

Trinidad will be next, if Maduro successfully invades Guyana.

Have no fear.

[Dohplaydat]

china policy is non-intervention leave the savages to do what they want outside the wall we should be more like china they are a better people

The recent annexation(s) by Russia have set a new normal in the world.

Trinidad will be next, if Maduro successfully invades Guyana.

Have no fear.

Maybe....but going after us would be a mistake, the US would have to intervene at that point.

What's worrying me though is that, Putin, China and Iran can easily supply weapons and forces to Venezuela.

I think we often forgot one thing about the the Ukrainian war.

Russia while commited to the war, has held back significantly. 90% of their army reserves are not in Ukraine, their air force has barley been used and lots of their modern equipment has not been fully deployed.

Many speculate that Russia either wasn't ready (mostly true) nor wanted to face a backlash from their population by conscription.

So while they've lost a sheit ton in Ukraine it's mostly been old soviet era equipment and prisoners.

I kinda fear that in a couple years Russia can be far more ready and prepared to really take Ukraine.

The US for all it's military superiority is already low in munition supplies.

If support for Ukraine falls and it is falling, Russia will win, rebuild and simultaneously China will do the same.

For every 1 dollar China spends on their military they get 20 times more value than the US.

They can easily, easily out produce the US in a war.

So if they wanna take Taiwan the time is now. If they wanna stretch the US and NATO thin, Russia will help.

I'm honestly a bit fearful guys, I'm not fear mongering but western media news has been really f*cking down playing this threat and making themselves look overly superior.

[MaxPower]

Maybe....but going after us would be a mistake, the US would have to intervene at that point.

Maybe…

But not under Donald Trump.

[Dizzy28]

Maybe....but going after us would be a mistake, the US would have to intervene at that point.

Maybe…

But not under Donald Trump.

Trump lives in Florida and if he gets the nod ahead of RDS he can do worse than pander to the half million Venes in Fla who dislike Maduro and would like to see him gone.

[teems1]

china policy is non-intervention leave the savages to do what they want outside the wall we should be more like china they are a better people

The recent annexation(s) by Russia have set a new normal in the world.

Trinidad will be next, if Maduro successfully invades Guyana.

Have no fear.

Maybe....but going after us would be a mistake, the US would have to intervene at that point.

What's worrying me though is that, Putin, China and Iran can easily supply weapons and forces to Venezuela.

I think we often forgot one thing about the the Ukrainian war.

Russia while commited to the war, has held back significantly. 90% of their army reserves are not in Ukraine, their air force has barley been used and lots of their modern equipment has not been fully deployed.

Many speculate that Russia either wasn't ready (mostly true) nor wanted to face a backlash from their population by conscription.

So while they've lost a sheit ton in Ukraine it's mostly been old soviet era equipment and prisoners.

I kinda fear that in a couple years Russia can be far more ready and prepared to really take Ukraine.

The US for all it's military superiority is already low in munition supplies.

Care to explain why?

The current US rhetoric on both sides is that they can't keep trying to be world police. They're damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Trillions spent in the ME and nothing to show of it. The US taxpayer is tired.

Once Venezuela has their eyes on Trinidad, it's just a matter of time.

[AlphaMan]

china policy is non-intervention leave the savages to do what they want outside the wall we should be more like china they are a better people

The recent annexation(s) by Russia have set a new normal in the world.

Trinidad will be next, if Maduro successfully invades Guyana.

Have no fear.

Maybe....but going after us would be a mistake, the US would have to intervene at that point.

What's worrying me though is that, Putin, China and Iran can easily supply weapons and forces to Venezuela.

I think we often forgot one thing about the the Ukrainian war.

Russia while commited to the war, has held back significantly. 90% of their army reserves are not in Ukraine, their air force has barley been used and lots of their modern equipment has not been fully deployed.

Many speculate that Russia either wasn't ready (mostly true) nor wanted to face a backlash from their population by conscription.

So while they've lost a sheit ton in Ukraine it's mostly been old soviet era equipment and prisoners.

I kinda fear that in a couple years Russia can be far more ready and prepared to really take Ukraine.

The US for all it's military superiority is already low in munition supplies.

Care to explain why?

The current US rhetoric on both sides is that they can't keep trying to be world police. They're damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Trillions spent in the ME and nothing to show of it. The US taxpayer is tired.

Once Venezuela has their eyes on Trinidad, it's just a matter of time.

Life under Maduro is way better than life under Rowley.

[ed360123]

china policy is non-intervention leave the savages to do what they want outside the wall we should be more like china they are a better people

The recent annexation(s) by Russia have set a new normal in the world.

Trinidad will be next, if Maduro successfully invades Guyana.

Have no fear.

Maybe....but going after us would be a mistake, the US would have to intervene at that point.

What's worrying me though is that, Putin, China and Iran can easily supply weapons and forces to Venezuela.

I think we often forgot one thing about the the Ukrainian war.

Russia while commited to the war, has held back significantly. 90% of their army reserves are not in Ukraine, their air force has barley been used and lots of their modern equipment has not been fully deployed.

Many speculate that Russia either wasn't ready (mostly true) nor wanted to face a backlash from their population by conscription.

So while they've lost a sheit ton in Ukraine it's mostly been old soviet era equipment and prisoners.

I kinda fear that in a couple years Russia can be far more ready and prepared to really take Ukraine.

The US for all it's military superiority is already low in munition supplies.

Care to explain why?

The current US rhetoric on both sides is that they can't keep trying to be world police. They're damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Trillions spent in the ME and nothing to show of it. The US taxpayer is tired.

Once Venezuela has their eyes on Trinidad, it's just a matter of time.

Life under Maduro is way better than life under Rowley.

Congratulations on writing the dumbest sentence I've read today.

[Dohplaydat]

The US is the world police for themselves, to protect their trade and profits, no other reason.

[Alpha_2nr]

china policy is non-intervention leave the savages to do what they want outside the wall we should be more like china they are a better people

The recent annexation(s) by Russia have set a new normal in the world.

Trinidad will be next, if Maduro successfully invades Guyana.

Have no fear.

Maybe....but going after us would be a mistake, the US would have to intervene at that point.

What's worrying me though is that, Putin, China and Iran can easily supply weapons and forces to Venezuela.

I think we often forgot one thing about the the Ukrainian war.

Russia while commited to the war, has held back significantly. 90% of their army reserves are not in Ukraine, their air force has barley been used and lots of their modern equipment has not been fully deployed.

Many speculate that Russia either wasn't ready (mostly true) nor wanted to face a backlash from their population by conscription.

So while they've lost a sheit ton in Ukraine it's mostly been old soviet era equipment and prisoners.

I kinda fear that in a couple years Russia can be far more ready and prepared to really take Ukraine.

The US for all it's military superiority is already low in munition supplies.

Care to explain why?

The current US rhetoric on both sides is that they can't keep trying to be world police. They're damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Trillions spent in the ME and nothing to show of it. The US taxpayer is tired.

Once Venezuela has their eyes on Trinidad, it's just a matter of time.

I agree with teems1.

It's just a matter of time. And let's not forget, when the "Delcy" fiasco happened, average joe-public was complaining about "what the USA could do we", and "why the USA in we business".

So why on earth do we all of a sudden want help from them?

Also, we're not as strong an energy producer as we once were, due to gas curtailments, reduced LNG exports etc.

If Maduro invades Guyana and the USA does nothing, then it's pretty obvious they won't assist us either.

[Dohplaydat]

NGL I think we've heavily underestimated Russia's strength, power, wealth and determination to firetruck with the West.

Instigating Hamas, Venezuela, Niger and frustrating and gaining momentum in Ukraine.

Not to mention their allies of N Korea and Iran.

Imagine what China could do......with a looming economic crash these guys might act sooner rather than later

[Redress10]

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quote="88sins"]Maduro feel he bright.
Wait until America involved in multiple conflicts and stretched thin before you make your move, that way they less likely to get too deeply involved with what you doing, and if they do try to get involved, they only gonna be able to afford to do so much.

But one must ask oneself the questions.

If Venezuela is not stopped in their tracks now, after invading and reclaiming Essequibo, what exactly what is to stop them from pushing forward and seizing military control of the whole of Guyana?

And who's to say they won't continue the campaign and move on to Suriname, or even T&T?

Interesting times we're in.[/quote]

I don't think he cares about Guyana in that way but I do believe that they legitimately believe that essequibo is theirs. I think what emboldens that belief is the fact that this started in colonial times where the current majority of inhabitants of Guyana were not a significant role player back in 1840s etc. So it's now an easy argument for them to question the legitimacy of Guyana retaining that land now that colonial days are over.

I also think what has triggered this response is the drilling by US oil companies in the area whilst Venezuela is under US sanctions. Is like a spit in the face to them. They basically seeing Guyana as facilitating the plunder of south american resources to imperialist after centuries and more recently decades of gaining control from those ppl etc.[/quote][/quote]

They don't see them that way? So why the sudden desperate need to "reclaim" that region? It have more in the mortar than the pestle.
If what's being said is accurate, that Guyana has enough oil reserves to bump the UAE down a peg, and that is without even mentioning the likelihood that there's probably gold in that region as well, we can see the reason for their motivation.
As regards them seeing US oil companies operating in Guyana as disrespect, the US recently eased sanctions to allow the sales of Venezuelan oil to US companies, and they have been doing so.

It have more to this than feelings.
And I am beginning to have very strong suspicions that Maduro has the idea that now is the ideal time to unleash his imperialist nature on the region.
Mark my words, after Essiquibo, if they get little enough resistance, they will seek to take the entirety of Guyana, from there, Suriname next, and then the nearby small islands.[/quote][/quote][/quote]

This region has been in contention for nearly 200 years. It's not "sudden". Venezuela has always claimed it as theirs. This is not Maduro thinking it belongs to him but most venezuelans consider this piece of territory theirs. If they see the territory as theirs then they would view Guyana's exploration/extraction of the area as a threat to their economic wellbeing. Remember we talking about billions of resources to be extracted.

I think the biggest sticking point is US involvement in these operations. Especially with the recent revalations showing how much Guyana was losing to US companies because of their inexperience in the O/G industry. Remember, these south american countries are deeply anti imperialist so much so that the US etc plan orchestrate coups against their leaders and ppl. So on the one hand you sanctioning them and on the hand other you extracting "their" resources using Guyana as a kinda proxy.

I don't think Maduro and Venezuelans have imperialist intentions tbh. I don't see them caring that much about the 1/3 of Guyana and the rest of the caribbean to conquer it. They've always insisted that Essequibo is theirs for centuries now. They don't share that believe about the rest of the caribbean/region.

[Redress10]

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It's funny how countries such as Trinidad gained independence yet the extraction of mineral resources still occured by foreign companies? Almost as if they won't allow you to own and control ya countries resources. Funny how the countries who against that practice tend to be made into pariah states?

[Redress10]

maduro army might have some size but old equipment
they will get obliterated from the first wave of us response

the terrain there is extremely difficult so it’s not a simple creep in to take over either

It will be a situation of Venezuela attempting to advance over difficult and inhospitable terrain, only to be met with Guyanese guerrilla warfare tactics.
Because to put it bluntly, Venezuela has the numbers, so the only effective fight Guyana can putbup will have to be a dirty one.

I think it would be dumb for Guyana to engage Guyana in active warfare considering the overwhelming disadvantage that Guyana has. Considering that it's not Georgetown that is under attack where life and limb can be lost, the essequibo region if I remember correctly is more or less unoccupied jungle etc. So stopping them from invading via destroying road and other forms of infrastructure may be an option. At the end of the day, the international community already views Venezuela as a pariah state so any occupation of that land by Venezuela would be viewed as illegal.

But even after all of this, Guyana still needs to live next door to these ppl and Guyana isn't a military super power who can keep them in check. So America's solution to the Venezuelan problem may not be in the best interest of Guyana.