anandrocker wrote:The Iphone For Is for blockheads...soo much technology and potential out there and everyone is limited to apple lol... bunch of jokers
An Apple representative has clarified that the new FaceTime video calls won't use up carrier minutes, even when a video chat is originated during a phone call.
The news, highlighted report by Dan Frommer of Silicon Alley Insider, means that users won't have to worry about how long they talk when establishing video calls over WiFi.
"The voice call ends as soon as the FaceTime call connects," Frommer wrote. "The FaceTime call is over WiFi so does not use carrier minutes."
That's good news for users with AT&T, as it means FaceTime won't be dependent upon the quality or continuity of a background 3G mobile connection. It's also good news for anyone who feared that the end of unlimited data plans would be lethal to the new FaceTime feature. At WWDC, Apple chief executive Steve Jobs noted that the new feature would initially be WiFi only, but that the company was working with providers to figure out how to accommodate calls over mobile networks in the future.
Dong so would involve some significant engineering issues, because unlike other forms of data that might be okay to send lazily (such as email attachments), video calls demand low latency and high bandwidth to deliver a functional and acceptable level service.
Phone required for FaceTime?
It appears that FaceTime may require a phone number to establish a video call; Apple has only stated so far that users can switch to a video call from a regular conversation (as Jobs demonstrated on stage during the WWDC keynote) or may initiate a FaceTime call from their contacts.
If not, it is very likely, but not yet confirmed, that Apple could also initiate FaceTime calls from a future iPod touch outfitted with an appropriate camera. It's also possible that desktop Macs using iChat could be adapted to support FaceTime, as long as the new standard isn't dependent upon making a phone connection to establish the video call.
Even if the current implementation of FaceTime delivered with iPhone 4 does depend upon a phone call to find the recipient without using a buddy list, it could still be feasible to create non-phone clients that can join FaceTime conversations using an alternative connection initiation method, such as those used by iChat AV (which uses the AIM buddy list, XMPP/Jabber listings, or automatic Bonjour discovery of other users on the local network).
How FaceTime differs from existing cellular video calling
FaceTime differs significantly from existing 3GPP (3G Partnership project, a mobile industry consortium behind such standards as GSM, UMTS and LTE) videophone services both in that it uses WiFi for high quality video (3GPP standards allow for only extremely limited mobile bandwidth, yet are still very expensive per minute) and that it is built upon Internet Engineering Task Force standards rather than mobile industry specifications.
This makes 3GPP video calls comparable to SMS messages rather than IETF standards-based email or instant messaging. Even worse, the mobile industry created 3GPP video calling as a circuit-switched technology that is fundamentally incompatible with packet-switched networks like those used by Internet-connected computers, meaning that a PC-based client can't connect to a phone without specialized phone hardware.
By dropping the mobile carrier's network after establishing a FaceTime session, Apple is pushing phone customers toward open Internet networking, the same way iPhone earlier prioritized free email and attachment messaging in preference to SMS and MMS, which are usually billed as add on services greatly in excess of their true cost in terms of sending their actual data.
Other phones capable of video calls, such as the Android-based HTC Evo sold by Sprint, do not use 3GPP, but rely upon third party software that reviews have found to be difficult to use and problematic.
FaceTime vs. the mobile industry
Apple has said it hopes to establish FaceTime as an open, common standard for making video calls. If it is successful, the effort will transfer the future of potentially lucrative, high bandwidth video calls to common data providers rather than tying video telephony to the domain of phone companies as 3GPP does.
The effort could also revolutionize local communications between employees of a company, or between conference participants, as WiFi networks can be set up by anyone within the largely unrestricted, unregulated spectrum allocated to it. Customers tied to a specific network (such as AT&T) have limited options for increasing the availability and reliability of their mobile network.
Cellular signal boosters and repeaters are difficult to successfully provision, while femtocell devices such as AT&T's MicroCell 3G still use up subscribers' cellular plan minutes because the call minutes and data they handle are forwarded over the Internet back to the provider, which still needs to route the data through its system.
In contrast, FaceTime calls are made directly from one iPhone 4 to another over the Internet, with no centralized phone company needed to route or manage the calls.
Apple began pushing IETF standards-based video calling in 2003 with iChat AV, a desktop application that uses many of the same technologies as FaceTime. Primary competitors to iChat and FaceTime, including Skype, largely use proprietary protocols for establishing Voice over IP and video calls because there are no widely available and well established standards to use.
How soon other smartphone platforms will begin to implement Apple's FaceTime specification remains to be seen, but the company has achieved widespread use of its WebKit browser technology, which now powers the majority of all mobile web browsers, and subsequently solid uptake of HTML5, which includes many technologies originated by Apple, including Canvas drawing and many CSS transform concepts used in web animation.
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In case you haven’t heard, iPhone 4 lines have already started.
Apple fan, Justin Wagoner started camping in front of the Dallas, Texas Apple Store on Friday, almost a week before the launch day.
With over 600,000 iPhone 4s pre-ordered we’re expecting longer lines on June 24, the day of the launch.
Wagoner wrote on MacRumors forum explaining the reason for camping out so early:
Some would say I am crazy, but I say I’m a very determined fan. In fact I just might be one the biggest Apple fans you will actually meet. I have been the first costumer for this store since 2008 when the iPhone 3G was released.Normally I only camp out over night, but since I do not work due to the fact I am disabled with a seizure disorder and I am not in school at the point, I figure I just make it a fun experience and do it for a week.
Yes I did reserve a phone, but again, I’m doing it for a fun experience. I haven’t had a trip or vacation in past 10 years so I figured I make it a full week camping trip.
My setup and location has everything I could need to live for a week, even in the Texas heat. Tent is packed with a sleeping gear, a chair, full ice chest of drinks and food, and the Apple staff have been very nice to me treating me like a king. LOL I also brought a extension power cord for phone charging and things that need power. There is even a portable toilet around the back of the store if needed.
That been said, I’m actually doing really well out here. If anyone gets a chance, come join the fun!
Justin
Folks at DallasNews first spotted Wagoner camping outside the Apple Store:
Some of you might call this crazy but Robert Scoble had aptly put it "waiting in line for an Apple product is glorious, even if it is idiotic."
iPhone Dev Team wrote:Around an hour ago the new version of the iPhone Operating System (now called ‘iOS’) was released. This release is called ‘iOS 4’ - iOS 4 is a huge release with many changes and it offers slick additional features. These new features are being offered by Apple as a free upgrade to qualifying devices.
We are working hard on a release to our tools that will jailbreak your device (or give you iOS 4 via the jailbreak train) and provide you with a carrier unlock.
Until these tools are released you should hold off on updating your device until we have fully tested our tools with all the relevant devices.
If you rely on hacktivation or a carrier unlock (ultrasn0w) then you should not upgrade until we have fully tested and released our tools.
Don’t be tempted with unofficial PwnageTool/redsn0w bundles or releases, just check here or our team twitter for real time release information.
Remember, we risk our devices so you don’t have to (but this time anyone who has made a mistake upgrading their baseband firmware at 3.1.3 or 4.0 should be OK real soon
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iPhone Dev Team wrote:ultrasn0w 0.93 released! Cydia repo is repo666.ultrasn0w.com. Works with basebands 04.26.08 thru 05.13.04
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Geohot gave a talk at Nuit du Hack explaining the history of iPhone hacking and revealed that there is an unreleased exploit in the bootrom of every iPhone, iPod, and iPad.
"There is also, I hinted to this a couple times, an unreleased exploit in every iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch in the bootrom to get code execution. And you know if I ever do another jailbreak, that's the exploit I have. If you've seen I posted like a picture of 4.0 jailbroken. I posted my iPad jailbroken. All before Spirit was released. And I used like a completely different set of exploits which maybe when iPhone 4 comes out will be out."
The video below was posted by dominator776.
Here is George Hotz explaining how he jailbreak the iPhone and break the baseband, unfortunately I have not recorded the Q&A which was very interesting. This conf was awesome, Geohot is great in live.
Take a look at the video below. Geohot begins talking about his future jailbreak at 7:37...
Micosoft has finally released its Windows Live Messenger application for the iPhone and iPod touch.
Windows Live Messenger for iPhone and iPod Touch is the best way to connect with the people that matter most and keep up with the things they are doing across the web. Use your iPhone to instant message your friends list, view and comment on your friends’ photos and status updates from Windows Live, Facebook, and MySpace, and at a glance, see what your Messenger friends are sharing from Flickr, YouTube, and many other social and photo sharing sites. Make sure to visit http://profile.live.com/Services today and setup Windows Live to bring in your social networks. Messenger is simply the best way to connect with your closest friends.
Chat: Instant message with your Windows Live Messenger and Y! Messenger contacts on the go so you’re always connected to the people that matter most. You can even receive IM notifications when your app is closed so you never miss a message.
Social: Windows Live Messenger gives you one place to view the updates your Messenger friends are sharing from social networks like Facebook, Flickr, MySpace and more, helping you cut through the clutter on the go.
Photos: Upload photos right from your phone to share your favorite moments with the people that matter most. Create albums, add captions, and let your friends and family comment on your photos.
Hotmail: Access your Hotmail account without leaving the app to read, reply to, and compose emails. Get email notifications within the application so you know when you have new messages.
You can download Windows Live Messenger from the App Store for free.
redsn0w beta now available to hacktivate and jailbreak 3G on iOS4
Update #1: redsn0w beta has been updated to hacktivate iOS 4.0 for iPhone3G (in addition to jailbreaking the iPhone3G and iPod Touch 2G). The download links for redsn0w 0.9.5b5-3 are:
For now, the redsn0w beta release supports only the iPhone3G and iPod Touch 2G at today’s 4.0. It’s still a beta, so you’ll need to let Cydia reorganize, reload, and update after using redsn0w.
iClarified has a pretty good tutorial on how to unlock the iPhone 3G and iPhone 3GS for use with any GSM cellphone carrier using UltraSn0w. This will work with the (jailbroken) iOS 4.0 firmware.
anyone know how to resolve the below error i keeping getting anytime i try to install ultrasn0w.
subprocess/usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1). When i press okay i get the following.
/var/cache/apt/archives/us.hackulo.appsync31_1.01-iphoneos-arm.deb trying to overwrite /usr/libexec/installd' which is also in package us.freedomfor iphone.appsync30
I'm thinking i may need to remove all the repos i already have installed and start with a clean slate. Any suggestions?
bess almera, a LOT of repo's getting hit hard. I restore my iPhone last night and ran into lots of issues because i couldnt get most of my packages. >_>
WRT to iOS 4.0 on new bootroms (ipt3g and 3gs) PwnageTool UNOFFICIALLY released. so nothing yet.
I so pissed. Not me again Restoring in a time like this.
iPhone 4 arriving one day early on June 23rd, says Apple email
------ Here's something zscrugby pointed out to me, comparing the 2000 iMac to the 2010 iPhone
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The official packaging of Apple's iPhone 4 has been revealed days before the product is set to launch, thanks to a photo taken at a Walmart where the devices have already arrived.
A tipster to Engadget sent the photo, along with the information that the iPhone 4 has arrived at Walmart's storehouses.
The box labeled "CDMA" in the background is unrelated, housing an LG 290C handset. While rumors of a Verizon-compatible CDMA iPhone continue to persist, there will not be a surprise this week.
Walmart joins Best Buy and Radio Shack as the U.S. retail locations where customers can purchase the iPhone 4 on day one. Unlike Best Buy and Radio Shack, Walmart did not offer preorders for the new handset, leaving availability to the first customers who arrive on launch day.
The iPhone 4 has an official release date of June 24, though an e-mail sent by Apple to customers on Tuesday suggested that those who preordered directly through the Cupertino, Calif., company may receive their handset a day early. FedEx shipment notifications for early buyers state that delivery will occur on June 23, and the date was reiterated in the note from Apple to its customers.
Walmart, the largest retail chain in the U.S., has been an important part of Apple's sales for some time. Their partnership started in 2005, when the retailer began a pilot program selling Apple's short-lived HP-branded 20GB iPod. Over time, the nation's largest retail chain began carrying Apple's full line of iPods, and in 2008 some of its stores began selling the iPhone 3G.
Earlier this year, the company revealed it also hopes to sell the iPad by the end of 2010. Currently, availability of Apple's touchscreen tablet at brick-and-mortar stores is limited to its own retail stores, select Best Buy outlets and other assisted locations, including Apple Specialists.
ok so I managed to unlock the phone now I'm unable to access the net via my data sim. Anyone now where I'm supposed to input the word 'internet' in my settings.
bess almera wrote:ok so I managed to unlock the phone now I'm unable to access the net via my data sim. Anyone now where I'm supposed to input the word 'internet' in my settings.
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