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d spike wrote:bluefete wrote:Good sir, I object!! What questions have I not answered?
Why do you call me good? None is good but God alone...
Why don't you direct this question to Duane and Nati et al... They could answer in depth compared to me.
You haven't as yet stated clearly why you think Avatar was a demonic movie. You just pulled some trash off the net - even on the net, those statements were negated. One example was the claim that "blue-skinned" aliens, as well as the use of the term "avatar", was insulting to Hindus. Hindus responded to those sites, stating they did not consider any of it the least bit insulting. This was but one such instance.
You never responded properly to my arguments for considering that movie actually had Christian themes. You only expounded on 'the taking of the Lord's name in vain' - something that happens in most action movies.
If you have the decency to scroll back, you will find multiple unanswered posts.
How can any movie that damns God's Holy Name and uses the name of Jesus Christ, like it is a waterfall, have redeeming values in Christianity. That is a paradoxical statement.
Is that because people cannot handle God's logic?
Don't be foolish. Logic is logic. Natural Law is based on logic.
And are you saying megadoc is being logical? By any stretch of the imagination, how is this so? Because he believes along the same lines as you? That does not make his arguments logical. Why don't you address this? Logic implies an argument that will have a rational conclusion. If God's ways are beyond our ways, how can we possibly understand His logic?
Why do other people believe the Gita & the Qu'ran?
Why else? They belong to a religion, and they subscribe to their religion's view of life and choice of scriptures... but the two of you claim NOT TO BELONG TO A RELIGION - hence my questions. I did make it clear that I consider myself to be a Christian. A follower of Christ.
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Mr Gear wrote:
No one is condemned to hell from the off by God. No one.
you haven't been reading the gospel according to Megadoc1![]()
he said there is no way to heaven except through Jesus.
So those pygmies in the Amazon who never even heard about christianity in their life... doomed.
Ghandi.... doomed.
Malcolm X... doomed.
Mother Theresa is going to heaven though only because she believed in Jesus Christ. Not for any of those kind deeds she did though, because according to Megadoc1 and bluefete, those deeds are self praising and frowned on by God.megadoc1 wrote:works of righteousness is when you do good thing on your own ,that can't get you to heaven, God sees that as being prideful.
bluefete wrote:Are you implying that Jesus was a Muslim? How could that be when Islam did not exist until about 1400 years ago?
d spike you are a fraudd spike wrote:The problem fundamentalist christians have with the debate of salvation (faith vs. works/charity) is that to believe in the possibility of good works acquiring merit, would then negate their stance on salvation ‘through faith alone’. For them to therefore assume that charity is worth anything is dangerous. Thus, they claim that only the ‘saved’ benefit from doing charity – an obviously self-nullifying statement, for if one is saved, then why the need for good works? (How they wish Luther was able to rid them of St. James’ letter!) So they come up with these convoluted explanations (in order to rid themselves of his arguments) of what they say he meant to say... yet these fly in the face of what St. James was saying quite clearly!
d spike wrote:toyo682 wrote:It is so funny how people don't see the love of God in the message that he himself has paid the price the you are now trying to pay by you good works. We are preaching Christ died for your sins that you may be free, but some how that is foolishness to those who would rather save themselves. I guess it is more loving to allow your Child who is drowning to continue to try and save themselves than to put them on your back and carry them. Thank God I am a fool.
Don't be silly.
You believe as you wish, share it with others as you may. But this is not your church, to damn/mock those on the outside. This is a non-religious public forum designed for car enthusiasts to jaw on for fun when they wish to discuss stuff other than engines.
who are you to say or tell us what we can and cannot say here ?
All I am doing is defending both logic logic dont need you, don't try to make yourself special it was here before you came and it will be here when you go
and the right for a man to make any choice he wants - as long as it does not impinge on the rights of others.
so this only work one way with you? ok I see
While one can come into a public forum and state one's point of view, no matter how radical (one does have the right of free speech), one cannot come into a public forum and state one's point of view THAT ALL ELSE IS WRONG AND THOSE WHO BELIEVE OTHERWISE WILL BE PUNISHED.contradiction...because it part of the faith are you trying to tell Christians to shut up? A right is not a license. One has rights to do as one sees fit AS LONG AS ONE DOES NOT IMPINGE OR INFRINGE ON THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS. how rights are infringed in a forum ?...tricks again Apart from being just plain bad manners, you are denying others their right to not be offended unduly in public. so are only christians to be offended? because it seems as if its only them you have this problem with
will you defend Christians ? did any body ask for your help? who do you think you are?
Cheers
d spike wrote:.
To make this discussion even more unwieldy, both Bluefete and Megadoc claim to have no ties to any community - where did megadoc1 state this? can't you stop lying?even though Christianity by its very nature is a group belief - to the point of even trying to deny the 'label' of "Christian".no one is denying the label but the religion So where did they get their information from? Why do they believe their sources? Their scripture? Christianity was good enough for 2000 years to keep these concepts alive, but not good enough for them? So how come some of these concepts kept alive by followers of this "not-good-enough" Christianity are not tainted? What makes these concepts correct, but those that helped form and nurture them not so? nice try nice try you always try to compare Christian to Christians, it just goes to show your level of deceitfulness/lack of knowledge
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ how can you call someone else a fraud when your only proof to support your claims is from a book that claims itself right?
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ LOL you are calling one person a fraud and telling me that I only know a little, yet you can't prove ONE thing you claimed
how do you know I cannot prove anything I claimed? who told you that ?
what steps you took to arrive at that conclusion?
how willing are you to determine that?
I am taking it easy, a little too easy it seemsnope to me you are a bit desperate
just look back at the posts and see for yourself![]()
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megadoc1 wrote:d spike you are a fraud
d spike wrote:I have since realised Megadoc has learned that if he persists hard and long enough, other voices of reason get tired of his nonsense, and fall silent. In his little 'football match' concept of life, he sees that as 'winning' the argument. He doesn't realise that anyone who can't stand crap, will retire from the field when faced with a tireless madman who flings an endless stream of crap. It has absolutely nothing to do with being right or wrong.
bluefete wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Mr Gear wrote:
No one is condemned to hell from the off by God. No one.
you haven't been reading the gospel according to Megadoc1![]()
he said there is no way to heaven except through Jesus.
So those pygmies in the Amazon who never even heard about christianity in their life... doomed.
Ghandi.... doomed.
Malcolm X... doomed.
Mother Theresa is going to heaven though only because she believed in Jesus Christ. Not for any of those kind deeds she did though, because according to Megadoc1 and bluefete, those deeds are self praising and frowned on by God.megadoc1 wrote:works of righteousness is when you do good thing on your own ,that can't get you to heaven, God sees that as being prideful.
Duane: Please read my responses properly![]()
I have put forward the view that the pygmies in the amazon who lived and died without learning about Jesus will have a fair hearing on the day. God looks at our hearts.
SMHKasey wrote:d spike wrote:I have since realised Megadoc has learned that if he persists hard and long enough, other voices of reason get tired of his nonsense, and fall silent.assumption no 1 In his little 'football match' concept of life, he sees that as 'winning' the argument.assumption no2 He doesn't realise that anyone who can't stand crap, will retire from the field when faced with a tireless madman who flings an endless stream of crap. assumption no3 It has absolutely nothing to do with being right or wrong.it never did
I so aggree with this. with what ???...alll those assumptions?the man assumed that I assumed these things yet you agree?As the saying goes: 'One cannot reason with a closed mind'
Jeez man, once the discussion gets to where you cannot find a real logical answer, you refer to the napkin, call ppl liars, frauds, and basically succeed only in letting John public see what kind of ranting, close minded, indoctrinated, brainwashed, fanatic you are.
Kasey wrote:bluefete wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Mr Gear wrote:
No one is condemned to hell from the off by God. No one.
you haven't been reading the gospel according to Megadoc1![]()
he said there is no way to heaven except through Jesus.
So those pygmies in the Amazon who never even heard about christianity in their life... doomed.
Ghandi.... doomed.
Malcolm X... doomed.
Mother Theresa is going to heaven though only because she believed in Jesus Christ. Not for any of those kind deeds she did though, because according to Megadoc1 and bluefete, those deeds are self praising and frowned on by God.megadoc1 wrote:works of righteousness is when you do good thing on your own ,that can't get you to heaven, God sees that as being prideful.
Duane: Please read my responses properly![]()
I have put forward the view that the pygmies in the amazon who lived and died without learning about Jesus will have a fair hearing on the day. God looks at our hearts.
So you disaggre with megaduck's claim that "THE ONLY TO HEAVEN IS THE ACCEPTANCE OF JESUS CHRIST"? He's an idiot?
megadoc1 wrote:SMHKasey wrote:d spike wrote:I have since realised Megadoc has learned that if he persists hard and long enough, other voices of reason get tired of his nonsense, and fall silent.assumption no 1 In his little 'football match' concept of life, he sees that as 'winning' the argument.assumption no2 He doesn't realise that anyone who can't stand crap, will retire from the field when faced with a tireless madman who flings an endless stream of crap. assumption no3 It has absolutely nothing to do with being right or wrong.it never did
I so aggree with this. with what ???...alll those assumptions?the man assumed that I assumed these things yet you agree?As the saying goes: 'One cannot reason with a closed mind'
Jeez man, once the discussion gets to where you cannot find a real logical answer, you refer to the napkin, call ppl liars, frauds, and basically succeed only in letting John public see what kind of ranting, close minded, indoctrinated, brainwashed, fanatic you are.
noo no no you are doing alright nowKasey wrote:megadoc1 wrote:SMHKasey wrote:d spike wrote:I have since realised Megadoc has learned that if he persists hard and long enough, other voices of reason get tired of his nonsense, and fall silent.assumption no 1 In his little 'football match' concept of life, he sees that as 'winning' the argument.assumption no2 He doesn't realise that anyone who can't stand crap, will retire from the field when faced with a tireless madman who flings an endless stream of crap. assumption no3 It has absolutely nothing to do with being right or wrong.it never did
I so aggree with this. with what ???...alll those assumptions?the man assumed that I assumed these things yet you agree?As the saying goes: 'One cannot reason with a closed mind'
Jeez man, once the discussion gets to where you cannot find a real logical answer, you refer to the napkin, call ppl liars, frauds, and basically succeed only in letting John public see what kind of ranting, close minded, indoctrinated, brainwashed, fanatic you are.
You are saying the man assumed, that doesnt mean everyone will think he assumed. He put some of his points forward, and I just happen to share the same sentiments. Who knows? Maybe there will be other readers of this post who aggrees to (insert assumtion in green here).
ABA Trading LTD wrote:I shall attempt to sum up these 149 pages for anyone new to this thread.
Megadoc1: My Jesus way is right,all others are wrong, I am going to heaven, you are going to hell If you dont follow Jesus
Logical Thinkers: You cannot prove that, you should have respect for others
Megadoc1: No, they are all agreeing with demons, SHUT UP
d spike wrote:...it's a case of getting you to realize that your dogmatic fundamentalism blinds you to the truth of Jesus' teachings: one of brotherhood, forgiveness and love. You deny these truths, conveniently quoting the hellfire n' damnation stuff... any part of scripture that promotes your "us" versus "them" football-match style of religion... ignoring the pivotal/focal points of those same scriptures...
Newsflash, kid. They haven't stopped laughing.megadoc1 wrote:Mr d spike,why a man with all your high knowledge and logic
could be bothered by a little idiot like me ?
why, because I mentioned Jesus? lol...
you don't have better things to do?
cause all we have gathered so far is that
1 Jesus is alive
2 mg man has demons
3 d spike is a liar
4 and megadoc1 is an idiot and then some
should we go on? cause i cyah really stand people laughing at me so all the time![]()
d spike wrote:megadoc, everyone reading this realizes that you are being infantile, at best, or bordering on insane, at worst.cool they thought the same of jesus
Ever since you started trying to refute and nullify my statements in the other thread, you have made it very clear that you do not understand basic logic (on which all arguments, including religious ones, are founded); really ?...lol your grasp of Christianity is the little scraps you gathered in haste to shield yourself from some occultic crap you got yourself involved while screwing around (I get you'll refute that too, huh?);refute what ? thats your understanding but what ever the reason someone needs to grasp Christianity it is because they need redemption
but of course you know that
your use of language is pathetic; and you lack any sense of common courtesy.
cool
I have told you time and again, I have no problem with anyone's beliefs - it's their cramming it down the throats of others that I refuse to accept.
but you cant do anything about it did you succeed? ....no you failed and you ended up
attempting to cram you opinions and lies down the throats of others
I guess you can't remember this, can you?d spike wrote:...it's a case of getting you to realize that your dogmatic fundamentalism blinds you to the truth of Jesus' teachings: one of brotherhood, forgiveness and love. You deny these truths, conveniently quoting the hellfire n' damnation stuff... any part of scripture that promotes your "us" versus "them" football-match style of religion... ignoring the pivotal/focal points of those same scriptures... this is how we know you miss understand Jesus ...you are so far from what he is about ..you are describing a hippie
You really think that I don't know what you're attempting to do?
I will not be baited.
lol ...yea stay in hiding
Ever since we crossed paths, you keep going on and on about the knowledge and intellect that you presume I possess (I often wonder why you are so hung up about it)...
because it seems you are lost in it
...you want nothing more than for me to side with you against the 'heathens and non-believers' in you glorious football-match style of religion, and it annoys the hell out of you that I don't...
nope never there are no liars on this side satan is the father of lies
you are upset that I do not come here to give the 'heathens and non-believers' a massive blow-out...
what ?....wait pardner you have it wrong I only want people to be saved
blow out? I am only playing with them on their own tricks ,its the same manner they tackled Jesus in every way possible, my real fight is with the kingdom of darkness they getting the blow out ...sorry you miss understood
... it irks you that someone like me with all my (how was it you put it?) "high knowledge and logic" refuses to see the point of sitting on the same bench with you...
nope the fact that you choose to be untrue ..but its your free will
And this is what truly has been bugging you all this time!
bugging me!!! more like its bugging you. in fact you are the only one thats being bugged here everyone else seems quite happy
Have you forgotten this? no I liked how its stuck with youNewsflash, kid. They haven't stopped laughing.megadoc1 wrote:Mr d spike,why a man with all your high knowledge and logic
could be bothered by a little idiot like me ?
why, because I mentioned Jesus? lol...
you don't have better things to do?
cause all we have gathered so far is that
1 Jesus is alive
2 mg man has demons
3 d spike is a liar
4 and megadoc1 is an idiot and then some
should we go on? cause i cyah really stand people laughing at me so all the time![]()
great me too
(Now feel free to spatter your green childish putrefactions all over this.)
you speak as though I need your permission ...lol
d spike wrote:The other thing that bugs poor ole megadoc so you get things bugging me now ?...wow thats great!!! about me is that I won't come out and spew my beliefs on this forum.
My claim that my own religion is my own business rattles him no end.wrong again ..but if it comforts you its ok
Simply because I refuse to admit or deny and tell truth in an anonymous yet public forum is not proof of anything except my appreciation for privacy.
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