Over 2 billion obese and overweight people worldwide.

[nemisis]

anyting wit high saturated fat, sugar, salt, or transfats.

Many foods have fat, but it consumption of sugar, saturated fat and transfats causing dis. Fact it the human body is not built/designed to process 300g of fat per dey.

In the absence of any carbohydrates, consumption of fats will do nothing to the body. It will probably use some of it for energy, but it won't store any of it.

Eh? Neither fats or carbs bad. Just in excess.

^^^^this simple but true...
don't get caught up.....loosing weight is simple input vs output.,in other words ...stop stuffing yuh face

But then if allyuh saying why people obese, it simple. Globally we does eat foods in bulk we can't handle. Sugars, fats and overall calories in excess.

And yep, carbs/fats in excess. We need fat, but then there is a limit like all else, but if people eat KFC everyday and then down 10 20oz Cokes everyday, or eat 10-20 doubles a day, what people expect?

that trinidad would be number one

[evolution91]

ok ok been reading this, plenty information here, good information that is, but anyone ever tried substituting a meal with a protein shake that not natural to lose weight? i did and it worked for me, exercise is key also

[speedist]

another one of that 2 billion checking in.

However I need to do something about this. I did get thin one time den I get back fat again.

D yo yo ting is d worst. All I want to do is sleep now. How I will get back thin if I sleeping??

This. did a strict diet, no meat, starch. went down to 181lbs soon(well nearly a year and a half later) as I got off it, gained it back. Still currently at 221lbs and fluctuating.

[Trini Hookah]

another one of that 2 billion checking in.

However I need to do something about this. I did get thin one time den I get back fat again.

D yo yo ting is d worst. All I want to do is sleep now. How I will get back thin if I sleeping??

This. did a strict diet, no meat, starch. went down to 181lbs soon(well nearly a year and a half later) as I got off it, gained it back. Still currently at 221lbs and fluctuating.

Good stuff on the starch free diet bro, that's a tough one.

Gf had me try gluten free for a week and that was rough finding things go eat when busy, really felt it for folks who allergic to gluten.

[~Vēġó~]

still need to check thyroid function....tsh, free t3 and t4....aughhh....

[speedist]

another one of that 2 billion checking in.

However I need to do something about this. I did get thin one time den I get back fat again.

D yo yo ting is d worst. All I want to do is sleep now. How I will get back thin if I sleeping??

This. did a strict diet, no meat, starch. went down to 181lbs soon(well nearly a year and a half later) as I got off it, gained it back. Still currently at 221lbs and fluctuating.

Good stuff on the starch free diet bro, that's a tough one.

Gf had me try gluten free for a week and that was rough finding things go eat when busy, really felt it for folks who allergic to gluten.

Yeah, it rell difficult but I cah call it a victory after gaining back nearly forty pounds......

[AllTrac]

wtf lol no meat? no sugar? no starch? gluten free?
what a load of bs. Its all about moderation, your body is stronger and smarter than you give it credit for. It has millions of years of evolution behind it on digesting various trypes of macro nutrients and dealing with various toxins. Eat in moderation, stop being a glutenous fcuk, drink lots of water and stay active, your body would take care of the rest. Fcuk those restrictive and fad diets. What worked 50 years ago still works now. No magic pill.
Eat everything crew checking in @ 180lbs 33" waist.

[crazybalhead]

I find trac should shut he arse, with he barfee gorging, carib swilling facking indo-indulgence lifestyle choices.

[maj. tom]

Not everyone has the same genetics. Genetics control metabolism.
What works for you may not work for other people.

And the current practices in dietary medicine applied today seems to only give positive expected results to a smaller percentage of the population than what is hypothesized. Which is why the obesity rate is so high. So doctors have learnt to apply things that should work... but don't for most people. And then blame people for being obese. Obesity is a symptom of malfunctioning metabolism and incorrect lifestyle in modern times. eg. exercise and stress and diet. Less or more in this age than ever before.

So what has to happen is that dietary medicine has to evolve into higher practical application of biochemistry by dietary medical doctors and specific, individual diet plans for each person in the population. As you can see, this isn't an easy task. How many doctors specialize in dietetics anyway?

A very common example of diet misinformation is the myth that eating saturated fats and high cholesterol foods leads to heart disease, yet there is not one single scientific study in the history of medicine that can support this hypothesis. But it seems like common sense knowledge eh? Dietary specialist medical doctors know this. General Practitioners do not. Why hasn't it reached the patient population yet? Money and Politics. So eat less good fat and increase bad fats and processed carbs with hardly any fiber. This was largely propagated by the health movements in America in the 1970s and 1980s. "Don't eat butter, eat margarine and other hydrogenated oils. Increase portions of bread and pasta. They don't contain fat. Fat makes you fat. ewww fat! oil yuck! Eat more sugar. Drink more fruit juice (loaded with sugar/HFCS), it has vitaminsssssssss!"


Ad from National Geographic magazine in the 1970s.
Full size: http://i.imgur.com/zbSGzwy.jpg

Were these dietary myths always in place? No it started in America in the 1950s and obesity and heart disease has since risen. Diabetes Type II has gone through the roof! Was the hypothesis ever proven? No. Then why was it continued and made into federal dietary recommendations by the USDA, but yet the population has got sicker? Money and Politics.



Remember this from primary school?



TL;DR: We have all been indoctrinated in dietary "axioms" by bad science.

in before "the bible told us how to eat." by bluefete and co. though.

[AllTrac]

What works for you may not work for other people.

you mean the law of thermodynamics? didnt know we are surrounded by x-men.

calories in vs calories out.
eat more than you expend = fat gain.
eat less than you expend = fat/weight loss.
REGARDLESS OF MACRO COMPOSITION.
This sheit is stupid simple, dont complicate it.

[AllTrac]

cbh, buuuuuuurp

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

I agree it's straight maths. Anyone talking about metabolism this and that overthinking. Key is to find out approximately how many calories per day you need to maintain your current weight then create a calorie deficit if you want to lose whether that is by increasing exercise or eating less. You can lose weight by eating kiss cake alone each day depending on how many calories you need to maintain your current weight.

With all that said I just had a tin of lays sour cream potato chips and a big bag of nacho cheese doritos with some Cannings Big Red.

[AllTrac]

I agree it's straight maths. Anyone talking about metabolism this and that overthinking. Key is to find out approximately how many calories per day you need to maintain your current weight then create a calorie deficit if you want to lose whether that is by increasing exercise or eating less. You can lose weight by eating kiss cake alone each day depending on how many calories you need to maintain your current weight.

With all that said I just had a tin of lays sour cream potato chips and a big bag of nacho cheese doritos with some Cannings Big Red.

simple as that.

[maj. tom]

Well I said in an earlier post that it's quite a simple concept but it's not easy practically to do. Largely because of insulin.

And just because you are a healthy weight doesn't mean you are not at risk for cardiovascular disease if your diet has been consistently wrong all your life.

It's nice that you think you have an authoritative right to tell people to stop being a greedy f*ck when you have no idea what is going on in their lives, their stress factors and their lifestyle or that they have no education or choice about diet... and you're telling them how to do things just because it worked for you. You think people choose to be unhealthy and fat?

Eating Kiss cake alone all day, once you're below your BMR will make you lose weight. yeah obviously once you're consistently under your BMR. But you will feel hungry all the time because of insulin spiking all the time, increase cell insulin resistance, increase serum cholesterol and probably lose muscle mass, develop diabetes and get sick for lack of vitamins and protein because the diet is absolutely wrong. People usually fall off their calorie restrictive diets because they are hungry all the time. Their bodies are adapted to glycogenesis for energy.

What is this thread about, just telling everyone to lose weight or investigating and fixing the health of the obese population? How can you tell people "hey you! stop being a fat greedy lardass! only eat this amount and feel hungry and miserable all the time. you will live longer!"

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

Well I said in an earlier post that it's quite a simple concept but it's not easy practically to do. Largely because of insulin.

And just because you are a healthy weight doesn't mean you are not at risk for cardiovascular disease if your diet has been consistently wrong all your life.

It's nice that you think you have an authoritative right to tell people to stop being a greedy f*ck when you have no idea what is going on in their lives, their stress factors and their lifestyle or that they have no education or choice about diet... and you're telling them how to do things just because it worked for you. You think people choose to be unhealthy and fat?

Eating Kiss cake alone all day, once you're below your BMR will make you lose weight. yeah obviously once you're consistently under your BMR. But you will feel hungry all the time because of insulin spiking all the time, increase cell insulin resistance, increase serum cholesterol and probably lose muscle mass, develop diabetes and get sick for lack of vitamins and protein because the diet is absolutely wrong. People usually fall off their calorie restrictive diets because they are hungry all the time. Their bodies are adapted to glycogenesis for energy.

What is this thread about, just telling everyone to lose weight or investigating and fixing the health of the obese population? How can you tell people "hey you! stop being a fat greedy lardass! only eat this amount and feel hungry and miserable all the time. you will live longer!"

I think what AllTrac and myself saying is create a deficit. WE ARE NOT SAYING STOP BEING A GREEDY FCUK. I do think we said you can create a deficit EITHER by eating less OR by exercising more. A combination of the two also would work. Also at the end of the day it always boils down to in versus out calorie wise. It is not possible to be overweight if you consume less than what your body needs. How you go about doing it well that's your business. I hadda say again we not thumbing our noses at anyone for being greedy. You didn't read what I ate last night?

[maj. tom]

No disagreement there. But the complication is how to create a deficit and not feel hungry, remain active and not feel exhausted, tracking Calories, maintaining a deficit, weighing, hydration, exercises... so many people have no education in diet or even aware of the significance of what a KiloCalorie is or how much energy is in a can of soda.

Most people think the way to do that is by telling everyone else what they did to lose weight because it has to work for everyone else without considering the hundreds of other factors that affect different people. This is so complicated man; if it were simple there wouldn't be such an epidemic today. This is what I am trying to say. That this is complicated and not simple math on paper, despite that the math is not wrong. It cannot be wrong anyway, that would break the laws of thermodynamics.

[maj. tom]

I hope we are on the same page though.

But to move along, here are 3 articles to read in that order. See what you will make of it. Consider your existing bias in light of new information. Consider the politics:

1. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/22/the-heart-association-s-junk-science-diet.html

2. http://blog.heart.org/chief-science-officer-sets-record-straight-about-diet-science-aha/

3. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/03/the-aha-s-absurd-saturated-fat-obsession.html

[crazybalhead]

Plenty people doh realise how hard it is to work off that 180Kcal small cokes yuh jess drink. If they knew, they might think twice about it.

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

Never said it would be easy. That's why I give props to ek4ever for going thru all that (even though chances are he will get hit by a bus now)...

Ok all jokes aside though it's easier to be lazy. It's easier to just say whaever and order level junk. I can't just put it down to more stress. I would attribute it to more disposable income though. Although my metabolism must be slowing by now I do know that as a student and when I just started working my disposable income was way smaller. The extra weight was as a result of being able to buy level junk when I wanted it. Not saying that because it happened to me that's exactly what happened to everyone else but surely alot of the 2 billion are people with alot of disposable income at hand.

[AllTrac]

maj.tom i dont have time to read that composition you type there. I can tell them to stop being a glutenous fcuk because I was one at one time and I stopped it. I didnt know about nutrition i just decided to eat less and move more, once i hit a plateau I delved deeper into it. That thinking doesnt come from having a Phd in nutrition. Everyone knows this, as i said, its stupid simple. There is no excuse.
You will feel hungry when you diet, ofcourse, thats because of your resistance to leptin levels.
After you adjust eating patterns and eat more nutrient dense fibrous food it get easier and and you will reset your setpoint, insulin sensitivity is also increased when you drop fat, all health markers actually. I always advocate eating 80/20. 80% whole foods and 20% of what you want once its within your deficit that way you would keep cravings at bay and not binge.
I did a full blood panel recently for my job for insurance purposes and all came back perfect at 36 years old, now im having 2 donuts, u mad?
Get up and grind.

[rodfarva]

maj.tom i dont have time to read that composition you type there. I can tell them to stop being a glutenous fcuk because I was one at one time and I stopped it. I didnt know about nutrition i just decided to eat less and move more, once i hit a plateau I delved deeper into it. That thinking doesnt come from having a Phd in nutrition. Everyone knows this, as i said, its stupid simple. There is no excuse.
Get up and grind.

X2 on this.
I think it honestly breaks down to how much one wants to lose weight/get in shape etc.
Ive heard people say (and said myself) things like "you think I like carrying around extra weight?" I'd do anything to get rid of it." then... 1 month diet, 1 month gym ...slowly return to the old way of doing things...

I think people want to lose weight, but they dont want it enough to go the long haul. Then we go around complicating it, saying that x y z are the reasons the body cant lose weight. slow metabolism, health issues, etc..cop outs. Im sure that some minority percentage of people have genuine issues that prevent weight loss through normal means, but most of the time its just an excuse.
just my 2cents

[pugboy]

for reference, on my bike which is equipped with an accurate powermeter
a trip up chancellor hill at a good pace(13min, 177lbs) burns only 200calories

1lb fat = 3500 calories

many of the obese folks drink soft drinks or worse juices with meals can easily make a lifestyle adjustment(if they wanted to)

[zoom rader]

^^^ what's your 20 min threshold power up to now

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

for reference, on my bike which is equipped with an accurate powermeter
a trip up chancellor hill at a good pace(13min, 177lbs) burns only 200calories

1lb fat = 3500 calories

many of the obese folks drink soft drinks or worse juices with meals can easily make a lifestyle adjustment(if they wanted to)

I like this 1lb fat = 3500 calories equation. Burning 250 calories is not that hard to do in say 30 min. Eating less 250 calories is basically a 20 ounce coke per day approximately. Those two together per day and you lose a pound of fat per week.

Would you say this is extremely difficult maj. tom?

[shogun]

I think people want to lose weight, but they dont want it enough to go the long haul. Then we go around complicating it, saying that x y z are the reasons the body cant lose weight. slow metabolism, health issues, etc..cop outs. Im sure that some minority percentage of people have genuine issues that prevent weight loss through normal means, but most of the time its just an excuse.
just my 2cents

The odds are stacked against us though. Fast food chains, shops and vendors make it only too easy to access the junk and fast fills. Staying the course is going to take dedication and preparation. Most people just don't have the time... but it is still possible.

[pugboy]

the odds are stacked against you if you choose to eat certain things a certain way.

for example, 9/10 people go to subway and tell the employee "all the sauces(6 or 7) and olive oil" that is probably 300 extra calories right there, add on a soft drink and
it is 600 useless calories only because they want all the sauces as they are free.

I always laugh at the chicks buying subway salads and have it plastered with salad dressing AND sauces.

Garlic(mayo) sauce is probably responsible for an extra 5lbs the average person is carrying around.

[pugboy]

it is probably close to 240w/20mins
I can now regularly hold 300w for 3-4min intervals repeated 4times and still have gas in tank
that used to be a struggle at 270w

^^^ what's your 20 min threshold power up to now

[zoom rader]

it is probably close to 240w/20mins
I can now regularly hold 300w for 3-4min intervals repeated 4times and still have gas in tank
that used to be a struggle at 270w

^^^ what's your 20 min threshold power up to now

Do some just above threshold rides of 5min with recovery between 3 to 5 intervals, try twice a week. Add some tempo rides in the week and push it 1.5 hrs and don't waste time doing long "miles ".
Your current power level should see you lasting in crits and flat road races, but not wining, your other power levels need to up

[pugboy]

yeah I don't subscribe to the "long miles" mentality.
gonna continue the 3min/300w for a couple more sessions then go to longer like 5min
with some maximal sprint 10-20sec stuff thrown in once a week

did 3 chancellors this morning, averaged 255w each, 13min, fully aerobic,
no anaerobic grinding out lactic acid. Probably could have gotten 265w if I put on a harder gear and turned it into a drag sprint for last couple mins but that would have been a different workout.

[zoom rader]

^^^ what levels are your 10 & 20s