Child marriage in Trinidad & Tobago

[De Dragon]

With the sheitstorm flying around us now, you'd think crime, the economy, corruption would have created a discussion like this. Consider that twice the number of people 16 years and under who got married in the last 10 years have already been murdered here in just 5 months.

[zoom rader]

Sat does talk shat sometimes, but if you listened to the whole speech, you will understand what he meant . He said that young people like to experiment and if by chance one gets pregnant, they should have the option for the families to get involved and get them married-if they want to. He asked why the priest don't interfere in the business of the ones that getting pregnant and making children at fourteen .
I see it as a reference to non- indo girls, because. Of the context he spoke it in.

One half of this population culture is to have one or more child fadder or child mudder to them it is seen as *ranks* .

These same ppl grow up to be good boys and KFC workers for life.

[redmanjp]

If they want to allow it at say 16 in case of pregnancy then allow it ONLY in cases where the age range is not more than 3 yrs, in other words if the girl os 16 the guy is not more than 19

[Monk BANzai]

gawd man... Contrary to popular belief, Pundit Uttam Maharaj is the head of the major Hindu organization in Trinidad and Tobago (Sanatan Dharma Maha Sabha), not Sat Maharaj. He is the Secretary General and unofficial mouth piece. ( just as how there is ASJA and TML, but Darul Uloom somehow trumps all.. ask any Muslim if they treat a Darul Uloom Certificate over a ASJA halal certificate at a restaurant)

So why Uttam aint PASHAW Sat for making the religion look ingant? Since when a Sectary General have more clout/say than the head?

[eliteauto]

On the surface their positions sounds rational, until you check with the registrar and realise that there are no child marriages taking place in T&T despite what the law allows, and if no marriage officers are performing underaged marriages, why the sudden brouhaha?

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Eh?? If child marriages haven't actually been taking place, Sat Maharaj, Bro. Harrypersad and the IRO would've ended the debate long time. They wouldn't be fighting it down so. The marriages are probably registered elsewhere.

I'm hoping the Min of Legal Affairs reveals the actual figures, if what I heard us correct there were 6 such marriages for the year already and there is an average of 30 per year going back for the last 5 years incl one where the bride was 14 and the groom 29. Since this is coming from the Ministry records one would hope a journalist would follow up on that and release the info to the public

[Dizzy28]

^ Apart from releasing the figures it would be helpful to state under which Act were the marriages registered- Hindu or Islamic Marriage Acts.

[eliteauto]

I agree.

[rollingstock]

Harris said underage marriage is legalizing statutory rape.

I wonder what diddling the alter boys is?

[Habit7]

[zoom rader]

One side of ppl putting families together and the other creating child fadda and child muddar syndrome.

[2WNBoost]

I think the challenge with child marriages happens when a twenty something or older man wants to marry a fourteen or sixteen year old.
It just seems wrong.
Limit the marriage of under 18's to a two year age difference. That way if you young people are in love and want to get married the families are there for support.
But keep away them dutty old men who looking to take advantage of an innocent child.
My 2 cents.

Edit: Or once you are under 18 years old you can only marry another under 18 year old.

[BRZ]

Anyone who can agree and think its ok for children to marry is probably suffering from Pedophilia themselves.
not so Sat............................................... and trying to use your religion as an excuse......... you sick F( ) k !

[nemisis]

I think the challenge with child marriages happens when a twenty something or older man wants to marry a fourteen or sixteen year old.
It just seems wrong.
Limit the marriage of under 18's to a two year age difference. That way if you young people are in love and want to get married the families are there for support.
But keep away them dutty old men who looking to take advantage of an innocent child.
My 2 cents.

Edit: Or once you are under 18 years old you can only marry another under 18 year old.

If the youth in love why they can't wait till both over 18???

[sMASH]

http://www.newsday.co.tt/news/0,228613.html

Views on child marriage myopic

By AZARD ALI Thursday, June 2 2016

A MUSLIM cleric has described as “legal window dressing”, calls for the change in the legal age of marriage among girls to coincide with the Sexual Offences Act, saying that sexual abuse of children lies not in the age of marriage, but with criminal conduct.

Siddiq Nasir took a jab at Roman Catholic Archbishop of Port of Spain Father Joseph Harris, who last week described child marriages as legalised statutory rape. Nasir said that the Archbishop has a very myopic and partial view of the issue. In fact, Nasir who is an Islamic scholar, said that the Code of Canon Law of the Catholic Church 1083 (1) states, “A man before he has completed his sixteenth year of age, and a woman before she has completed her fourteenth year of age, cannot enter into a valid marriage.” By virtue of that Canon Law, Nasir said, Christianity supports marriage of a girl once she has reached the age of 14. It is therefore passing strange that Harris who heads the Catholic church in Trinidad and Tobago, he explained, could view the marriage of a 14-year-old girl, “as legalised statutory rape”. The Muslim cleric bemoaned sexual activity among young teenagers before marriage, but he warned that it had nothing to do with the Marriage Act under the Laws of Trinidad and Tobago, the Muslim Marriage Act, the Hindu Marriage Act or the Orisha Marriage Act. 

Nasir said that if promiscuity is rampant, it is an illness of a society that must tackle the problems that lead to such acts, such as incest, abortion, sex before marriage and rape. He asked, “Maxi taxi drivers are enticing young girls into sexual activity. 

Will changing the legal age of marriage do anything to save these young girls?” He said, “We must protect our children – however not only physically, but morally and spiritually as well. Many efforts of many well-meaning persons to guard children against everything that is detrimental to them, are proving ineffective and even counter-productive. Our children are being bombarded by a deluge of influences explicitly, implicitly and subliminally, and unless a holistic approach is adopted, we will continue to fail in our efforts to protect them. A partial, very myopic approach is the present crusade to change the age of marriage so that children (in the definition of the Children Act, human beings under the age of eighteen) are protected from getting married.” Nasir argued that not allowing young girls to marry, but allowing them to have sex outside of marriage among themselves, “is quite amazing”. He said that it is more than passing strange that the Head of the Catholic Church in Trinidad, Archbishop Harris, could categorise the marriage of a fourteen year old girl, which the Canon Law says is valid, as “ legalised statutory rape” (unless he was misquoted). 

Nasir went on to say that in the state of New York, a male or a female age fourteen, can marry with parental and judicial consent and that a male or female aged sixteen, can marry with parental consent. This, he added, was according to the Laws of New York, Domestic Relations, Article 3, Section 15, Subsections 1, 2, and 3, and Section 15-a). Nasir further stated that in the State of New Hampshire, Canada, a male age 14 to 17, and a female age thirteen to 17, can marry with parental and judicial consent. 

He further went on to state that the Marriage (Scotland) Act 1977 states: “No person domiciled in Scotland may marry before he attains the age of 16.” Nasir concluded that a marriage solemnised in Scotland between persons either of whom is under the age of 16 or that in England and Wales, males and females aged sixteen can get married with parental consent.” 

[RBphoto]

Islamic scholar...lol.. what an oxymoron.

[GixxerMan]

Islamic scholar...lol.. what an oxymoron.

i see what you did there

[2WNBoost]

Really people?
A 22 year old man taking home a 14 year old girl.
Anyway you slice it, it's just wrong.

[sMASH]

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20160606 ... oned-meal/

Granny eats poisoned meal

Published on Jun 6, 2016, 9:31 am ASTBy Susan Mohammed0 CommentsArticle

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A 12 year old boy spent the weekend in police custody after confessing to giving his grandmother a meal laced with insecticide on Saturday.

Police officers investigating the case retrieved a bottle of termite poison from the family home.

Related: Granny eats poisoned meal

Police said that at around 4 p.m. the boy allegedly made a meal of macaroni and eggs and offered it to his 58-year-old grandmother.

The boy's mother, who also lives in the house, was not at home at the time, police said.

Within minutes of consuming the meal the elderly woman became ill and she was taken to the Rio Claro District Health Facility.

Police said upon seeing his grandmother's condition, the boy allegedly confessed that he added poison to the food.

She has since been discharged and is recovering at home.

Officers of the Eastern Division Child Protection Unit are involved in the case.

[BRZ]

Really people?
A 22 year old man taking home a 14 year old girl.
Anyway you slice it, it's just wrong.

Yes in Most societies this would be considered as Child Molestation and Peadophilia, but this religion seems to think its Ok, at least that's what they say not so?

[Dizzy28]

Really people?
A 22 year old man taking home a 14 year old girl.
Anyway you slice it, it's just wrong.

Yes in Most societies this would be considered as Child Molestation and Peadophilia, but this religion seems to think its Ok, at least that's what they say not so?

And which religion is that??

[Habit7]

Really people?
A 22 year old man taking home a 14 year old girl.
Anyway you slice it, it's just wrong.

Yes in Most societies this would be considered as Child Molestation and Peadophilia, but this religion seems to think its Ok, at least that's what they say not so?

To fair to the man this not paedophilia. Paedophilia is the attraction to prepubescent children. 50 years ago a 22 and 14 years old couple was rare but not abnormal.

We have to understand that our concept of a child moved from ending at teenage years to now ending at 18, some may want it moved to 30. So you can't use modern criteria to judge old ppl. In same way old ppl see as madness that same sex ppl want to get married and be afforded the same rights as heterosexual couples. If there is no objective standard, and society determines laws, we just have to go with the flow...

[RBphoto]

You know, I don't hear anyone thinking that sending a 14 year old boy to marry a 50 year old woman is disgusting. Thoughts? What about a 14 year old boy with a 22 year old? Disgusting or not?

[baigan]

You know, I don't hear anyone thinking that sending a 14 year old boy to marry a 50 year old woman is disgusting. Thoughts? What about a 14 year old boy with a 22 year old? Disgusting or not?

Yes, it is disgusting.
Teens should be dating teens and people 20 and over should be with people their own age however with a few exceptions example if the couple are 20-25 or so and 18-19 then thats fine..
As for marriage i think marriage age should be raised to at least 21 cause at 18/19/20 people are usually too immature to jump into marriage .-.

[RBphoto]

I really have no problem with an 18 year old marrying a 60 year old male or female either age.

[sMASH]

The problem is forced marriage and girls being physiologically and psychologically unprepared for marriage.
Those are not allowed.

There is a situation where a 17 year old girl and a 25 year old man was at a beach. The guy for swept away, but the girl was rescued. News had referenced the guy as her companion.
Are the authorities going to leave that story there? The girl was under 18.

The 12 year old who poisoned his own grandmother. Comments section was saying he was around the age of criminal accountability. Which means he Damn well know what he doing.

Many children 15, 16, carry about their selves freely knowing they can get pregnant. Many do have the children and have their parents help them out.
In my day, I knew a few girls, 15, 16 wanted to pick up a man and make a child. They not smart, they not going to make any big splash in life, and don't care to. They just know they want a lil family and make bacchanal with neighbors.

In the past, many young person held very high positions in ruling kingdoms, ships, armies and did well. They were responsible. Joan of arc.
Most people were poor and the children, even younger than 12 had to handle their scenes and the whole family scenes. Unfortunate, but they did it.



While modern civilization in the last 200 years, have afforded humans the luxury of pampering children into their teens and even adulthood, some are mature and responsible enough on their own to decide their own path.


I am against forced marriages, so I suggest that under 18 the marrying couples go to mandatory independent counseling by some social welfare body to ensure that both are consenting.

Some of them can handle it, and they not going to do anything else with their lives, so why not.
This way, at least the children have the fathers and father side of family involved.

I personally know a group of sisters that between 16 and 18, all of them snack up and make children and living normal. School wasn't for them and they out outgrow their dollies. They know what they wanted.
Parents sent them to school, and wanted different. Only one sister achieved in school and married and had children later in life, but all them still living simple and happy, cause with all the degree and masters, no job opportunities to make use of it. And then they prefer to put time into those children's lives than slave at the job.


Not Muslim, Christian, but only on Easter and some Sundays.


Some people would be kept back by having children early, and u put measures in place to stop that. Others would not, and can handle it.

[Dizzy28]

On those that calling for the Hindu community to speak out against Hindu marriages so far the following have issued statements in support of raising the marriage age -
Hindu Woman's Organization
SWAHA
Varsha Pratipada Sansad who represents -
The Hindu Prachar Kendra
The Chinmaya Mission
Param Dhaama Ashram
The Trinidad and Tobago Federation of Hindu Mandirs
Amarjyoth Sabha
Vishwanath Hindu Social and Cultural Organization
The Centre for Indic Studies
The Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh
The Chacachacare Mandir
SEWA International Trinidad & Tobago
The Jahajee Massacre Committee
The Arya Pratinidhi Sabha
ASTREL
NCIC

We left with just the Maha Sabha as the voice for not touching the legislation.

[K74T]

In before zr claims that the above mentioned are all PNM organizations

[Habit7]

On those that calling for the Hindu community to speak out against Hindu marriages so far the following have issued statements in support of raising the marriage age -
Hindu Woman's Organization
SWAHA
Varsha Pratipada Sansad who represents -
The Hindu Prachar Kendra
The Chinmaya Mission
Param Dhaama Ashram
The Trinidad and Tobago Federation of Hindu Mandirs
Amarjyoth Sabha
Vishwanath Hindu Social and Cultural Organization
The Centre for Indic Studies
The Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh
The Chacachacare Mandir
SEWA International Trinidad & Tobago
The Jahajee Massacre Committee
The Arya Pratinidhi Sabha
ASTREL
NCIC

We left with just the Maha Sabha as the voice for not touching the legislation.

I appreciate the fact that Sat Maharaj and the SDMS doesn't speak for all Hindus despite being the largest faction. What I want is for other Hindu factions to condemn Sat's statements like "go to Hell" and "mind your business." The closest to condemn him was the NCIC and they are not an Hindu organisation.

[zoom rader]

On those that calling for the Hindu community to speak out against Hindu marriages so far the following have issued statements in support of raising the marriage age -
Hindu Woman's Organization
SWAHA
Varsha Pratipada Sansad who represents -
The Hindu Prachar Kendra
The Chinmaya Mission
Param Dhaama Ashram
The Trinidad and Tobago Federation of Hindu Mandirs
Amarjyoth Sabha
Vishwanath Hindu Social and Cultural Organization
The Centre for Indic Studies
The Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh
The Chacachacare Mandir
SEWA International Trinidad & Tobago
The Jahajee Massacre Committee
The Arya Pratinidhi Sabha
ASTREL
NCIC

We left with just the Maha Sabha as the voice for not touching the legislation.

I appreciate the fact that Sat Maharaj and the SDMS doesn't speak for all Hindus despite being the largest faction. What I want is for other Hindu factions to condemn Sat's statements like "go to Hell" and "mind your business." The closest to condemn him was the NCIC and they are not an Hindu organisation.

Habit7 why don't PNM and these lil groups speak about all these black hen chicken having a child every monday morning and don't know who is the father is.

[racedriverpro]

I think the challenge with child marriages happens when a twenty something or older man wants to marry a fourteen or sixteen year old.
It just seems wrong.
Limit the marriage of under 18's to a two year age difference. That way if you young people are in love and want to get married the families are there for support.
But keep away them dutty old men who looking to take advantage of an innocent child.
My 2 cents.

Edit: Or once you are under 18 years old you can only marry another under 18 year old.

If the youth in love why they can't wait till both over 18???

They want Sunday wedding...