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Re: Venezuela Government thread

Postby matr1x » December 22nd, 2022, 5:25 pm

That reasoning was given for US invasion of Iraq. Yet no oil taken. So your premise is false

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Re: Venezuela Government thread

Postby paid_influencer » December 22nd, 2022, 5:41 pm

all politics is local. us politicians support those that support us politicians. us energy interests support us politicians. venezuela nationalizing us energy assets was against us energy interests. us energy interest is also for domestic shale oil and fracking, which does not work if oil is cheap.

the welfare of venezuelans and indeed trinidadians is not as important as us energy interests and that is okay.

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Re: Venezuela Government thread

Postby bluefete » December 22nd, 2022, 6:03 pm

matr1x wrote:The sanctions were done for very good reason.
The vene government involved with the cartel. Doh play like they some innocent child

The elections for Maduro was a real fraud. The ones sending the venes are the vene cartels being aided by their government.


And the US government is not? Check Cuba 1959 - just before the revolution.

How many democratically elected governments were overthrown by the USA?

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Re: Venezuela Government thread

Postby timelapse » December 22nd, 2022, 6:06 pm

Slim simping for the US.
Gots ta get that greencard

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Re: Venezuela Government thread

Postby timelapse » December 22nd, 2022, 9:31 pm

Slim ,I forgot this earlier to your bogus claims about oil in Iraq
https://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/19/opinion/iraq-war-oil-juhasz/index.html

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Re: Venezuela Government thread

Postby maj. tom » December 22nd, 2022, 9:36 pm

What? Huh? Oil? Who said something about oil... beitch you cooking?

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Re: Venezuela Government thread

Postby matr1x » December 22nd, 2022, 11:21 pm

timelapse wrote:Slim ,I forgot this earlier to your bogus claims about oil in Iraq
https://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/19/opinion/iraq-war-oil-juhasz/index.html



Oh goodie! Just what we needed, an option piece by an anti Bush anti oil zealot. Activists normally are agenda based. If you can provide the oil gallons they went for, that would be helpful.


Maduro is a monster and pro maduro/ Chavez are really no better. Besides, the government of Venezuela has been a complete dick to everyone in the region. The Americans have this one right

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Re: Venezuela Government thread

Postby MaxPower » December 22nd, 2022, 11:35 pm

Slim,

You damn right about Maduro being a monster. Just look at what he is doing to his country and his citizens.

And you vex when they come to our land for help?

T&T is here to help.

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Re: Venezuela Government thread

Postby maj. tom » July 6th, 2023, 10:49 am

Is US Secretary of State Antony Blinken even going to carry this message back to the White House?
I agree, USA needs to start relieving the sanctions on Venezuela and start re-normalizing relations. They will need them as a stable ally soon on the geopolitical energy scene. Venezuela trade would be also key to boosting prosperity for the CARICOM region.


Lift sanctions against Venezuela
Caricom leaders again urge US:


Caricom leaders have once again urged the United States to lift its sanctions against Venezuela.

Caricom chairman and Dominica Prime Minister Roosevelt Skerrit said leaders have also appealed for the US blockade on Cuba to be lifted and for assistance to be rendered to crisis-struck Haiti.

Speaking at a news conference which mar­ked the end of the 45th Caricom Heads of Government meeting last night at the Hyatt Regency hotel, Port of Spain, Skerrit said the region’s heads believe that after so many years the United States must act to remove the sanctions on Vene­zuela.

“We in the Caribbean, especially those of us who have been signatories and beneficiaries of the PetroCaribe agreement, have suffered immensely,” he said, noting that Caribbean citizens have to bear the high cost of petrol products on the global market because Venezuela is unable to export its products to the region due to US sanctions.

He said the PetroCaribe agreement has virtually come to a halt in some of the Caricom countries because of the inability of Venezuela to export.

“We believe the issue of sanctions should be removed and allow the people to go about their lives, especially in these challenging times,” he said.

Skerrit said everyone else in the Caribbean should be firm with respect to the removal of the US sanctions on Venezuela.

The United States will note these requests and submissions, he said.

Asked if there were any discussions with respect to Trinidad and Tobago’s Dragon gas deal with Venezuela, Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley responded: “We didn’t get down to that level of specificity, but what you should understand is that we are, at the moment, engaged with the US in a way that we have not before, and that is the first hurdle that we have to cross and we make our case and we continue to make them.”

Rowley said discussions between Trinidad and Tobago and the US delegations will continue today at 9 a.m.

Lift Cuba embargo

Skerrit summarised the discussions Caricom leaders held over the past two days.

He said they also raised the issue of the embargo against Cuba with the US, and “we reiterated our call to the United States to have this blockade against Cuba lifted”.

He said they discussed Haiti and “how we can join forces with Rwanda who has expressed their interest and commitment to providing tangible support on the ground in Haiti towards a resolution of the crisis confronting that nation”.

Skerrit said Caricom looks forward to collaborating with Rwanda which has offered to also engage the African Union on Haiti.

He said Caricom leaders met with US Secretary of State Antony Blinken and US Democratic leader in the House of Representatives Congressman Hakeem Jeffries, and they had some “very extensive ­engagement” with the United States on issues relating to Haiti, climate financing and the impact of climate change on the region.

He said they also discussed regional security, especially the influx of guns and ammunition coming into Caribbean countries and creating havoc. Skerrit said they urged the US to take more concrete action on stemming the flow of these guns.

He said they also discussed the issue with respect to correspondent banking and the challenges the region faces with the blacklisting of countries.

Skerrit announced there will be a Caricom Heads retreat in Dominica on August 18 and 19 to prepare for a meeting in Guyana, and he has instructed that the suits be left at home and leaders come in T-shirts, jeans and shorts. They will review the governance issues with Caricom and functional cooperation, said Skerrit.

He said the average person on the street in the Caribbean wants to see tangible benefits.

The Dominica Prime Minister said further that Martinique and Curacao will be welcomed into Cari­com and they hope to wrap up outstanding negotiations with regard to this by August; and by February next year there will be a formal cere­mony in Guyana to welcome these nations.

Free movement

Skerrit said Caricom took a decision to seek to have the free movement of all categories of people in the region to live and work.

He said there are some legal issues that have to be examined and some months will be allocated for these to be sorted, with the hope of resolution by March 30, 2024, to take definite decisions.

“At 50, we could not leave Trini­dad and Tobago and not speak about the core of the integration movement—that is, people’s ability to move freely within the Caribbean community,” he said.

Skerrit said COP 28 will be held in Dubai and Caricom wants to ensure that whatever promises are made by developed nations are kept.

He said there must not only be talk and fancy speeches, but they must be translated into concrete actions.

On the subject of cricket, Skerrit said he still believes “we have to ­rally round the West Indies”, as he noted the West Indies cricket team will be hosted next week in Dominica.

He said Rowley’s comments on his Facebook page on Windies cricket were made out of passion as he announced that he appointed the T&T Prime Minister as the chair of the sub-committee on cricket.

Skerrit said they have agreed to meet with the president of Cricket West Indies next week to discus cricket and how they can work together to better position cricket in the Caribbean and come back to the “glory days”.
https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/lift-sanctions-against-venezuela/article_d8255432-1ba2-11ee-b3dc-f7948a1c60d8.html

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Re: Venezuela Government thread

Postby death365 » July 6th, 2023, 12:19 pm

oh please ... Caricom has no sway/power/persuasion/ ever since. its long time they asking Cuba to be 'set free'. Venezuela worse yet.

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Re: Venezuela Government thread

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Re: Venezuela Government Thread

Postby Dizzy28 » July 28th, 2024, 10:33 pm

Venezuela had elections today and it's going about as well as I thought it would.

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Re: Venezuela Government thread

Postby paid_influencer » July 28th, 2024, 10:58 pm

same thing cld happen here if we dont get intl observers

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Re: Venezuela Government thread

Postby The_Honourable » July 29th, 2024, 12:41 am

Apparently Edmundo Gonzalez "won" the election, celebrations started.

Argentina President told Maduro to get out.

Then Maduro put out a statement that the elections was interfered by actors in neighboring countries that was once part of the "Lima" group.

Meanwhile armed groups deployed by Maduro attempted to steal ballot boxes from voting centers. Reports that one person died during the fracas.

The live broadcasts and the national electoral council page which showed the results of Gonzalez in the lead was taken down.

Not long after, the Venezuelan Electoral Commission announced that Maduro won 51% of the vote to make it look like he edged it out.

Chile, Peru, Uruguay and Costa Rica Presidents say that they don't recognize the results.

USA declares their concerns that the election wasn't free and fair.

Opposition leader Maria Corina Machado and candidate Gonzalez have officially declared victory in the election.

well yes...

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Re: Venezuela Government thread

Postby pugboy » July 29th, 2024, 6:47 am

was anything different expected ?

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Re: Venezuela Government thread

Postby Dizzy28 » July 29th, 2024, 7:11 am

pugboy wrote:was anything different expected ?
Biden's team expected a difference.

They after all loosened sanctions in exchange for a free and fair election

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Re: Venezuela Government thread

Postby pugboy » July 29th, 2024, 7:29 am

thought of losing power overrides all

Dizzy28 wrote:
pugboy wrote:was anything different expected ?
Biden's team expected a difference.

They after all loosened sanctions in exchange for a free and fair election

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Re: Venezuela Government thread

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » July 29th, 2024, 7:31 am

So who really won? Both maduro and gonzalez are declaring victory

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Re: Venezuela Government thread

Postby paid_influencer » July 29th, 2024, 7:41 am

this could be solved by having international observers but nooo, we can't have that here because rowley say so

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Re: Venezuela Government thread

Postby Arcmanov » July 29th, 2024, 7:45 am

An even more direct response came from Luis Lacalle Pou, the president of Uruguay.

“Not like that! It was an open secret that they were going to ‘win’ whatever the real results were,” he said on X. “The process, right up to the day of the election and the count itself, was clearly corrupt. You can’t recognise a win if you can’t trust the forms and mechanisms used to bring it about.”



Anybody who surprised by this 'result' was probably born last night.

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Re: Venezuela Government thread

Postby Dizzy28 » July 29th, 2024, 8:56 am

shake d livin wake d dead wrote:So who really won? Both maduro and gonzalez are declaring victory


The one who controls the army and means to put down any protests won

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Re: Venezuela Government thread

Postby sMASH » July 29th, 2024, 7:13 pm

Time for usa to send back in guaido

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Re: Venezuela Government thread

Postby Dizzy28 » July 29th, 2024, 7:49 pm

Ofc Abdullah congratulates Maduro.

The labour movement in this country hates democracy.

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Re: Venezuela Government thread

Postby paid_influencer » July 29th, 2024, 8:46 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:Ofc Abdullah congratulates Maduro.

The labour movement in this country hates democracy.


not really

you know Panday came from the labour movement? he had the whole red beret and thing?

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Re: Venezuela Government thread

Postby Dizzy28 » July 29th, 2024, 9:13 pm

paid_influencer wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:Ofc Abdullah congratulates Maduro.

The labour movement in this country hates democracy.


not really

you know Panday came from the labour movement? he had the whole red beret and thing?
Obviously I am not refering to historical now am i?

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Re: Venezuela Government thread

Postby paid_influencer » July 29th, 2024, 9:16 pm

obviously

but still not really

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Re: Venezuela Government thread

Postby paid_influencer » July 29th, 2024, 9:19 pm

rowley hates democracy why were there no international observers in 2020. why will there be none in 2025. we must fight to ensure we get international observers #allhandsondeck

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Re: Venezuela Government thread

Postby Dizzy28 » July 30th, 2024, 9:46 am

Reminder that Socialism/Communism is Sheit

Venezuela went from richest to poorest country in SA in a generation

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Re: Venezuela Government thread

Postby zoom rader » July 30th, 2024, 12:07 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:Reminder that Socialism/Communism is Sheit

Venezuela went from richest to poorest country in SA in a generation

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Vene poor because of CIA involvement, just as they mess up Palestinians, west bank and Gaza.

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Re: Venezuela Government thread

Postby Dizzy28 » July 30th, 2024, 12:27 pm

zoom rader wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:Reminder that Socialism/Communism is Sheit

Venezuela went from richest to poorest country in SA in a generation

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Vene poor because of CIA involvement, just as they mess up Palestinians, west bank and Gaza.


The state of Israel predates the existence of the CIA
Chavez was sheit, Maduro is sheit, the CIA is sheit but doesn't take away how poor Venezuela's leadership has been.

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