.::The Official General Election 2015 Thread::.

[zoom rader]

So what are the PP's plan to reintroduce property taxes?

Why do we need property taxes? We are already overtaxed as it is to those that pay taxes.
In other parts of the world citizens get a dividend for their country income for oil and gas revenue.
No property tax is our way of a dividend that land owners deserve.

To hell with pnm 2030 vision and they land tax (injun tax)

[rfari]

lel. too easy. i knew u getting it from the express story that is soley based on 'documents' provided by anan
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/OPV ... 31481.html

so while you eat all da chainup from the ag, brazil buy the opvs and pumpin hard wid dem.

check dem specs nuh. juh!

Brazil Buying & Building BAE’s 90m Patrol Vessels

Jun 21, 2013 11:29 UTC by Defense Industry Daily staff
Latest update [?]
1st OPV, Amazonas, heads to Brazil.

As 2011 came to a close, Brazil’s buy of 3 in-stock Offshore Patrol Vessels from BAE, with an option to license-build 5 more, had the potential to cast wide ripples.

Brazil has very extensive coastal responsibilities, a sizable Marine Corps, and a Navy whose frigates are either British designs, or former British ships. That navy is expanding, as Brazil moves to protect key assets like its deep-water oil production, but British shipbuilders will face stiff competition. Other key Brazilian suppliers like France’s DCNS will be bidding, alongside naval shipbuilders around the world. The Amazonas Class OPV purchase is certainly another piece of the naval puzzle for Brazil, alongside its future submarines. Is it also another piece of the puzzle for BAE?

The Ships

The Port of Spain (now Amazonas) Class are an enlarged offshoot of the River Class OPVs built for Britain’s Royal Navy. A similar design was sold to the Thai Navy external link, and is being built by Bangkok Dock.

The first of the 3 ships ordered by Trinidad & Tobago was built at BAE Systems’ Portsmouth facility on the English Channel, while the 2nd and 3rd vessels were built at the yard at Scotstoun on the Clyde River, in Scotland. Key statistics include:

Length overall: 90.5m
Breadth moulded: 13.5m
Draught: 3.5m
Displacement: 1,800t/ 2,200t fully loaded – corvete sized
Propulsion: 2 x 7,350 kW diesels, driving 2 x 3.1 m Wartsalia propellers
Speed: 25+ knots
Range at 12 knots: 5,500+ nm
Endurance: 35 days
Nominal crew: 60. Can operate with 36, accommodate up to 70.
Deck capacity: 1 helicopter up to 7t; 6 x 20 foot ISO containers

Other features include:

Terma Scanter 4100 X-band radar
Ultra Electronics OSIRIS combat & surveillance system
30mm remotely-operated weapons station up front, and 2 x 25mm cannons port and starboard.
Modern communications, command and control system system
Ability to conduct sea boardings using onboard RIB and Fast Interceptor Craft
Accommodation for 50 fully equipped troops
Ability to conduct helicopter operations
Ample deck space for the transport of containers and additional craft
16t capacity crane on board, with 14m reach
Ability to replenish at sea

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/bra ... els-07254/

Amazonas Class Offshore Patrol Vessels, Brazil
more specs. check da

Amazonas Class OPV
The Amazonas Class Offshore Patrol Vessels (OPVs) were introduced into the Brazilian Navy under the PROSUPER programme. Three vessels have been built and delivered by BAE Systems between 2012 and 2013.
The Brazilian Navy placed a £133m ($210m) contract with BAE Systems for the delivery of three ocean patrol vessels and associated support services in January 2013. BAE Systems also delivered the Brazilian Navy with a design information package allowing the construction of further OPVs in Brazil.
Construction and delivery details of Amazonas Class OPVs

The offshore patrol vessels were originally constructed for the Trinidad and Tobago Government under a contract ratified in 2007. The first vessel was built at a Portsmouth facility, while the remaining OPVs were constructed at BAE Systems' Scotstoun shipyard. The ships have been offered to interested countries after the termination of the contract in late 2010.

The first vessel in the series, Port of Spain (now P120 Amazonas) was launched in November 2009, and was delivered to the Brazilian Navy in June 2012. The ship left Portsmouth in August 2012 and arrived in Brazil in October 2012.

The second ship, Scarborough (now P121 Apa) was launched in November 2009 and commissioned into the Brazilian Navy in November 2012. The third OPV in class, San Fernando (now P122 Araguari) was launched in July 2010 and delivered to the Brazilian Navy in June 2013.

Amazonas Class OPV design and features

The Amazonas Class OPVs are based on the design of the smaller 80m River Class patrol boats of the UK Royal Navy. The OPVs are designed to conduct economic exclusion zone (EEZ) patrol missions and can be deployed in maritime security, humanitarian relief and search-and-rescue (SAR) missions in territorial waters of Brazil.

The modular design of the OPVs allows for modifications to meet the individual and operational requirements of the navies across the globe. Each vessel can accommodate 70 crew members and 50 embarked troops or passengers. The ample deck space allows the carriage of six 6m ISO containers, a 16t crane, and a Pacific 24 fast interceptor craft.
The Amazonas Class OPV has a length of 90m and a maximum beam of 13.5m. The standard and full load displacements of the vessel are 1,800t and 2,200t respectively.

Amazonas Class OPV armament

The main gun mounted on the forward bow deck is a DS30M Mark 2 system mounting a 30mm Mark 44 Bushmaster II cannon. The gun is provided with Electro-Optical Director (EOD) for identification and tracking of targets.
The secondary armament includes two 25mm guns. The port and starboard sides of the vessels can be additionally mounted with 12.7mm guns.


Flight deck of Amazonas Class OPV

The aft helicopter deck of Amazonas Class OPV allows the operations of one helicopter. The 20m flight deck can accommodate a 7t medium-lift helicopter. The embarked helicopter allows extended range patrols, troop transfers, and SAR missions. The OPV lacks hangar facilities for embarked helicopters.
Amazonas class navigation and communication

The Amazonas Class OPV is equipped with an air and surface surveillance radar, X-band navigation radar, and S-band navigation radar. The vessels integrate OSIRIS combat management system from Ultra Electronics. The system integrates shipboard sensors, electro-optical systems, and weapon systems. The system provides command and control for the vessel and fire control for gun system.
The onboard communication systems include HF and VHF transceivers, and a global maritime distress safety system (GMDS).

Amazonas Class OPV propulsion

The offshore patrol vessels are powered by two MAN diesel engines driving two Warstilla propellers. Each engine develops a power of 7,350kW. The propulsion system provides a maximum speed of 25kt and a range of 5,500mi. The OPV can operate at sea continuously for 35 days.

http://www.naval-technology.com/project ... l-vessels/

[rfari]

google is your friend. this info is in the public domain for those who wish to find out for themselves

Helicopters:
http://m.guardian.co.tt/news/2014-04-02 ... s-grounded

OPVs:
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/BAE ... 31451.html
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/BAE ... 31451.html

There are other sources as well like I said.

u so predictable homie

remember in the previous post with the opv specs, it showed that the opvs were equipped with "Terma Scanter 4100 X-band radar"? the radar on the ship dem worked in conjunction wid the helichoppers cus that was the plan. but they get rid of the ships and wanna know why the helis doh have radar? well dese wha dey say bout it.

Terma's SCANTER X-band Navigation, Surface Search and Short Range Air Surveillance Radar Systems are complete radar sensor systems with proven small target detection capability to assist authorities in efficiently monitoring illegal activities such as drug trafficking, smuggling, illegal immigrants, piracy, illicit fishing, terrorism, etc. It is perfectly suited for high-definition sea surface surveillance and short-range air surveillance for helicopter control and ship navigation.


At an affordable price, the SCANTER radar systems are specifically designed to enter service where the commercial marine radar fails to meet the requirements for noise and interference rejection, signal processing, electronic interfacing, signal distribution, and resistance to a tough environment.

Radar image recorded from SCANTER 6000 display
Terma A/S has accumulated a deep and thorough know-how about radar sensor technology comprising advanced signal processing and high performance antennas specifically tailored for small target detection in rough weather conditions. Terma's SCANTER naval radar sensors are operational in navies worldwide.

A versatile and modular concept ensures compliance with application requirements and specific customer wishes. The Receiver-Transmitter (RxTx) system configuration ranges from single frequency operation to RxTx systems with frequency diversity.

The SCANTER naval radar systems comply with the justification and operational requirements on board naval vessels to:

Provide backup to primary surveillance radar system
Assist on-board tactical task functions
Helicopter landing control
Perform sea and short-range air surveillance with automatic target tracking
Provide versatile interface capability for C-Flex and other on-board systems
Provide safe navigation for year-round operation.
Compared with systems with higher transmitter output power, the increased sensitivity and high dynamic range of the SCANTER radar system is advantageous, especially considering:

The need to minimize radar emission while optimizing target range detection
The avoidance of receiver saturation in case of jamming.
Within the market segment Submarine Application, Terma has participated in a number of projects throughout the years and recently designed a radar sensor system, SCANTER 2002, specifically optimized for submarine application.

http://www.terma.com/security-surveilla ... veillance/

[zoom rader]

the epitome of honesty

PP need to give Tobago independence now and deport Rowley. He can be tribe leader in bago and won't need to worry about Calcuttians invading bago.

[rfari]

the epitome of honesty

PP need to give Tobago independence now and deport Rowley. He can be tribe leader in bago and won't need to worry about Calcuttians invading bago.

:ROFL: bago is two sure peeondem seat. U bommy Orr?

[SiR8081]

You are aware the OPVs would have to be refitted to conform to specs required by the brazillian navy as these vessels are used to patrol large river areas in brazil as opposed to working offshore.

You and I can only speculate as to the reasons for cancellation due to the non - disclosure agreement.

Furthermore, you would lead us to believe that the govt can cancel a contract for their own personal selfish reasons without any repercussion? clearly you don't know contract law.

You would also know that BAE incurred significant losses as a result of this deal.

It also makes sense what you saying about the helicopter radar but just one more thing, please explain why the helicopters were registered as commercial aircraft and as such cannot be armed. The USCG usually has a 0.30 caliber door mounted machine gun for drug interdiction exercises.

[rfari]

Kid, u make for good, clean debate. Appreciate that. I'm driving now but lil later I will answer ur questions

[DFC]

You guys know nothing.
There is much more going on than you can possibly imagine.

[rfari]

1.You are aware the OPVs would have to be refitted to conform to specs required by the brazillian navy as these vessels are used to patrol large river areas in brazil as opposed to working offshore.

2.You and I can only speculate as to the reasons for cancellation due to the non - disclosure agreement.

3.Furthermore, you would lead us to believe that the govt can cancel a contract for their own personal selfish reasons without any repercussion? clearly you don't know contract law.

4.You would also know that BAE incurred significant losses as a result of this deal.

5.It also makes sense what you saying about the helicopter radar but just one more thing, please explain why the helicopters were registered as commercial aircraft and as such cannot be armed. The USCG usually has a 0.30 caliber door mounted machine gun for drug interdiction exercises.

1. I kinna slow right, so lemme get it straight. U tryna say that brazil requested all those goodies from bae since our opv order was basically for 'mechanical, low-tech equipment' (my words) that made it 'defective'?

2. Correct. Two sources of info were provided; the ppg that cancelled the order and presented a note, from whence we dunno how it came about and independent and international military marine news company. Right? Which source made more sense to u?

3. What's the issue? Bae had a potential buyer sold the crafts to them. We got our money back. Bae got paid for their sale. That's it. Look at anan's note about the result of the arbitration. No where was there mention of defects in his reasoning for cancelling the order. He cited delays in handover and related matters to that.
And what steps have been taken to provide a solution to our porous borders? 4 years now there has been talk of all sorts of craft and we haven't seen any.
Ppg and the narcotrade go hand-in-hand. U could coat me and prove me wrong.

4. Quote ur source. :fade in:

5. I have no idea. I sure the registration can be changed. Ent? Meem knw. Anything possible in tnt

[RASC]

So what are the PP's plan to reintroduce property taxes?

Why do we need property taxes? We are already overtaxed as it is to those that pay taxes.
In other parts of the world citizens get a dividend for their country income for oil and gas revenue.
No property tax is our way of a dividend that land owners deserve.

To hell with pnm 2030 vision and they land tax (injun tax)

[zoom rader]

the epitome of honesty

PP need to give Tobago independence now and deport Rowley. He can be tribe leader in bago and won't need to worry about Calcuttians invading bago.

:ROFL: bago is two sure peeondem seat. U bommy Orr?

It's has nothing to do PNM seats. It's about time bago go on their on.
Its a win win case, Trini no longer have to give handouts to an island that gives very little in return and bago don't have to worry about Calcuttians invading their homeland and providing much needed business and employment.
Rowley will be king of his homeland

[rfari]

the epitome of honesty

PP need to give Tobago independence now and deport Rowley. He can be tribe leader in bago and won't need to worry about Calcuttians invading bago.

:ROFL: bago is two sure peeondem seat. U bommy Orr?

It's has nothing to do PNM seats. It's about time bago go on their on.
Its a win win case, Trini no longer have to give handouts to an island that gives very little in return and bago don't have to worry about Calcuttians invading their homeland and providing much needed business and employment.
Rowley will be king of his homeland

nah

[ModMania]

But, if we do that, they will just come here and from that recent debate just now it look like we cant stop them, so we might as well keep the land they occupying

[rfari]

But, if we do that, they will just come here and from that recent debate just now it look like we cant stop them, so we might as well keep the land they occupying

write ur MP and tell him/her ur sad stories

[zoom rader]

the epitome of honesty

PP need to give Tobago independence now and deport Rowley. He can be tribe leader in bago and won't need to worry about Calcuttians invading bago.

:ROFL: bago is two sure peeondem seat. U bommy Orr?

It's has nothing to do PNM seats. It's about time bago go on their on.
Its a win win case, Trini no longer have to give handouts to an island that gives very little in return and bago don't have to worry about Calcuttians invading their homeland and providing much needed business and employment.
Rowley will be king of his homeland

nah

Why you saying "nah" bro?

Let bago go on their own and generate it's own income. Sent all non afro business owners out of bago and they will prosper . Uganda and Zimbabwe did it.

[brams112]

the epitome of honesty

PP need to give Tobago independence now and deport Rowley. He can be tribe leader in bago and won't need to worry about Calcuttians invading bago.

:ROFL: bago is two sure peeondem seat. U bommy Orr?

It's has nothing to do PNM seats. It's about time bago go on their on.
Its a win win case, Trini no longer have to give handouts to an island that gives very little in return and bago don't have to worry about Calcuttians invading their homeland and providing much needed business and employment.
Rowley will be king of his homeland

nah

Why you saying "nah" bro?

Let bago go on their own and generate it's own income. Sent all non afro business owners out of bago and they will prosper . Uganda and Zimbabwe did it.

If we do that they doom,even they people who invested there will lose out.

[zoom rader]

the epitome of honesty

PP need to give Tobago independence now and deport Rowley. He can be tribe leader in bago and won't need to worry about Calcuttians invading bago.

:ROFL: bago is two sure peeondem seat. U bommy Orr?

It's has nothing to do PNM seats. It's about time bago go on their on.
Its a win win case, Trini no longer have to give handouts to an island that gives very little in return and bago don't have to worry about Calcuttians invading their homeland and providing much needed business and employment.
Rowley will be king of his homeland

nah

Why you saying "nah" bro?

Let bago go on their own and generate it's own income. Sent all non afro business owners out of bago and they will prosper . Uganda and Zimbabwe did it.

If we do that they doom,even they people who invested there will lose out.

Rowley will be tribal chief in his homeland and his face on their currency with a bailiser

[brams112]

the epitome of honesty

PP need to give Tobago independence now and deport Rowley. He can be tribe leader in bago and won't need to worry about Calcuttians invading bago.

:ROFL: bago is two sure peeondem seat. U bommy Orr?

It's has nothing to do PNM seats. It's about time bago go on their on.
Its a win win case, Trini no longer have to give handouts to an island that gives very little in return and bago don't have to worry about Calcuttians invading their homeland and providing much needed business and employment.
Rowley will be king of his homeland

nah

Why you saying "nah" bro?

Let bago go on their own and generate it's own income. Sent all non afro business owners out of bago and they will prosper . Uganda and Zimbabwe did it.

If we do that they doom,even they people who invested there will lose out.

Rowley will be tribal chief in his homeland and his face on their currency with a bailiser

Then that currency will be worth next to nothing

[rfari]

Caring is sharing. Wha issa couple millions a year between sister isles?

[shogun]

Lol @ the COP debates orn Ctv, BTW.

[link]

Yep the corruption is "pure" to see in World GTL, Lara Stadium, MS Sue, Rapid Rail, Pena Church, UTT, etc etc

don't forget ken julien tiefin' Wallerfield from the motor racing fraternity to build his 'smelter downstream industries'..........

[shogun]

Lol...

[desifemlove]

dis is in a way election related, but was impressed wit de sgt. in the COP debate.

Carolyn gonna win IMO, but Douglas and Prakass ent say much......

If Carolyn wins, she should:

- Demand a safe UNC seat in South (Princes Town, or Fyzabad, if Sharma won't stand)
- Install sheself in St. Augustine and put Prakass in Sando West
- So even if COP only keep St. Augustine in the PP, she as leader has a seat

[rfari]

I feel I gonna vote for Carolyn yes. I was with prakash till he let kamala disrespect the party

[mrtrini45]

I feel I gonna vote for Carolyn yes. I was with prakash till he let kamala disrespect the party

you will support carolyn beacuse she might pull out of the pp
thats all you business with

[rfari]

I feel I gonna vote for Carolyn yes. I was with prakash till he let kamala disrespect the party

you will support carolyn beacuse she might pull out of the pp
thats all you business with

what! she is an upright leader. I like her style

[desifemlove]

I feel I gonna vote for Carolyn yes. I was with prakash till he let kamala disrespect the party

you will support carolyn beacuse she might pull out of the pp
thats all you business with

eh? they should ah left long time, UNC ent no good ally... Kamla only laughing...COP look like cats who cyah stop licks and walk away.....

[link]

both UNC & COP know that a sure way to lose an election is to go separate ways.......how do u think Panday mash up the whole NAR government ?,,,,,& over personal petty grievance with Robinson too (& we all know that bite 'im in he @r$e with the 18-18 tie later on)...
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I can't speak about the apparent power struggle within the partnership, but if u hve 4 parties & 7 'leaders', THERE MUST BE COMPROMISE SOMEWHERE.....but clearly it's personal power politics & the country & the electorate come second.......
a clear example of this is MSJ - inside a sitting government & instead of staying there & fighting for the people, that muffler bearing abdullah (accent on DULL) try to pull a personal powerplay & grandly walk out from a position where he could have fought to do something meaningful to OUTSIDE where he bleating about the big bad wolf...stupid effer...
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ALL THOSE MOFOS HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT POLITICS IS ABOUT THE COUNTRY & THE PEOPLE.....
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%#&*

[eliteauto]

both UNC & COP know that a sure way to lose an election is to go separate ways.......how do u think Panday mash up the whole NAR government ?,,,,,& over personal petty grievance with Robinson too (& we all know that bite 'im in he @r$e with the 18-18 tie later on)...
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I can't speak about the apparent power struggle within the partnership, but if u hve 4 parties & 7 'leaders', THERE MUST BE COMPROMISE SOMEWHERE.....but clearly it's personal power politics & the country & the electorate come second.......
a clear example of this is MSJ - inside a sitting government & instead of staying there & fighting for the people, that muffler bearing abdullah (accent on DULL) try to pull a personal powerplay & grandly walk out from a position where he could have fought to do something meaningful to OUTSIDE where he bleating about the big bad wolf...stupid effer...
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ALL THOSE MOFOS HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT POLITICS IS ABOUT THE COUNTRY & THE PEOPLE.....
%#&*

you sound like you read the same excuse book for battered spouses as the COP, talking about being inside and making changes, for the 4 years the COP has been claiming to do so what have they achieved? If you perceive something as corrupt and you continue to remain a part of it despite what appears to be no desire to change you are in essence condoning the actions. We on the outside may not know what is taking place internally but if a party feels the need to take a stand instead of flaccidly compromising who are we to judge?

[link]

YOu've missed the entire point...:

it's personal power politics & the country & the electorate come second.......

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so u cud be as sacarstic as u want...that's what it is