The | Apple Inc.  | Thread - WWDC 2025

[iDynamic]

06.15.00

[SRASC]

Apple’s upcoming free messaging application iMessage in iOS 5 will likely disrupt wireless carriers’ thriving SMS texting business when it arrives on Tuesday, according to multiple analysts.

iMessage, a new app launching as part of iOS 5, will offer iPhone, iPad and iPod touch owners unlimited free messaging over Wi-Fi and 3G networks.

The New York Times reports that the forthcoming service is being perceived as a threat to mobile operators. iMessage and other similar services will allow smartphone users to rely on existing data plans and Internet service for text messaging functionality, thereby avoiding having to pay for high-margin SMS plans from wireless operators.

SMS – A multi-billion-dollar business in the U.S.

An SMS message offers the user the ability of sending short bursts of text of up to 160 characters. Report author Jenna Wortham noted that, at rates as high as 20 cents per sent and received message, a user would end up paying $1,500 to send 1MB of text data. The same amount of data costs just 1.25 cents on a $25 per month 2GB data plan.

Two trillion text messages are sent in the U.S. each year, according to Sanford C. Bernstein analyst Craig Moffett. That translates into $20 billion in revenue each year, with $7 billion a year taken in by Verizon alone.

One expert estimates that a single text message costs carriers just a third of a penny. University of Waterloo professor Srinivasan Keshav told the publication that SMS messages use the same network carriers employ for voice calls, piggybacking “on the phone railway,” with as much as "4,090 percent markup" for the service.

In the Netherlands, free messaging apps and social networks have already “shrunk texting traffic and eroded profits,” Wortham said. However, the report noted that some carriers are adapting to the imminent potential threat coming from Apple’s iMessage.



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New Geekbench scores of the forthcoming iPhone 4S show that its custom-built A5 CPU is clocked at 800MHz, while the dual-core processor gives it a 73 percent performance boost than the iPhone 4.

The new figures from AnandTech show the iPhone 4S with an overall Geekbench score of 623, easily besting the 800MHz A4 CPU found in the iPhone 4. The iPhone 4S processor is clocked slower than the 1GHz A5 CPu found in the iPad 2, which earned a score of 751.

And in terms of its graphics processing capabilities, the iPhone 4S lived up to claims of being seven times faster than the iPhone 4. In one test, the iPhone 4S earned a score of 73.1 while the iPhone 4 took 11.2, and in another the iPhone 4S clocked a score of 122.7, compared to 15.3 for the iPhone 4.

GPU scores for the iPhone 4S, like the overall CPU score, were slightly slower than the iPad 2. But they also easily bested the competition, including the Samsung Galaxy S II, Samsung Infuse 4G, and Motorola Droid Bionic, all of which feature processors with higher clock speeds.

The site noted that while lowering the clock speed of the A5 from 1GHz in the iPad 2 to 800MHz in the iPhone 4S results in a "marginal loss" in performance, but "yields a greater-than-linear decrease in power consumption," offering the handset even greater battery life.



"At a lower operating frequency than its Android competitors, Apple does have to exploit its strengths in software to avoid any tangible performance penalties," authors Anand Lai Shimpi and Brian Klug wrote. "Apple has traditionally done this very well in the past, so I don't expect the loss of frequency to be a huge deal to the few who cross-shop iOS and Android."

The testing also correlated with earlier results that showed the iPhone 4S will offer a huge leap in performance over the iPhone 4 in its Mobile Safari Browser. In SunSpider Javascript Benchmark tests, where a lower score is better, the iPhone 4S earned 2222, compared to 3921 for the iPhone 4 and 5785 for the iPhone 3GS.

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One customer in Germany has been delivered an iPhone 4S early, offering a first glimpse at the packaging of the handset as well as screenshots from the device.

The iPhone 4S was delivered by German Telekom, which began accepting preorders for the handset before it was even announced, in early September. One of those early customers was fortunate enough to have received an iPhone 4S early, and images of the device were shared with Macerkopf.de (via Google Translate).

While other iPhone 4S units have been obtained early, and even thoroughly tested to demonstrate the processing power of the new A5 processor, none so far have offered a first look at the box for the iPhone 4S. The new box shows a design and even graphics similar to that of its predecessor, the iPhone 4.

Among the images is also a screenshot of the device's Siri voice recognition functionality. At launch, Siri will come with built-in support for English, German and French, while more languages and services will be added over time.

A picture of the back of the iPhone 4S shows its model number as A1387. Its predecessor, the iPhone 4, was model A1332.

For almost everyone else, the iPhone 4S will be delivered or available in stores this Friday, Oct. 14. Online preorders began last week, but Apple quickly sold out of its initial supply, and new orders are estimated to arrive in one to two weeks.







Analysts expect the iPhone 4S to continue to break records and become Apple's best-selling smartphone yet. The iPhone 4S has been predicted to sell around 3 million in its first three days of availability, helping to reach 25 million total sales in the holiday quarter.



The iPhone 4S launches Friday in the U.S., Canada, Australia, the U.K., France, Germany and Japan. It will expand to 22 more countries by the end of October: Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Mexico, Netherlands, Norway, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden and Switzerland.

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Apple iPhone 4S picture
(Had to post it this way)

[Parvin]

Siri looks really wicked ... but I.m sure its practicality will be poor in Trinidad

[iDynamic]

Was wondering if anyone tried the Gm iOS 5 yet and also if Siri will be on the iPad / iPod

[SRASC]

With iOS 5 coming out tomorrow, I'll just wait on that.

As far as Siri on other iOS products, its set to be an iPhone 4S exclusive. At 1st I thought it was because of the 4S's A5 processor & assumed 1GB of RAM but since then it was revealed that the 4S actually has the same 512MB of RAM from the iPhone 4 & iPad 2, so the question is in Apple's court as far as whether or not it will come to the iPad 2 in the future.

[M_2NR]

probably not. i figure its a "complex" algorithm that can only be efficiently handled by the 4S. In essence... case in point, remember how multitasking /worked/ on a 3G and somewhat on the 3GS but thrived on the 4...

wrt iPad 2 which is essentially faster... it's apple, they watered down the bulletinboard for the iPad... wont be surprised if siri isnt on it.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

probably not. i figure its a "complex" algorithm that can only be efficiently handled by the 4S. In essence... case in point, remember how multitasking /worked/ on a 3G and somewhat on the 3GS but thrived on the 4...

wrt iPad 2 which is essentially faster... it's apple, they watered down the bulletinboard for the iPad... wont be surprised if siri isnt on it.

well we can all guess that Siri needs a dual core A5 processor to run properly. So that rules out the iPhone 4 and definitely rules out the 3GS and lower.

But the iPad 2 has the same A5 processor and 512MB ram as the iPhone 4S, however I think the main reason why Siri won't be on the iPad 2 is because alot of what Siri does as a personal assistant requires access to a phone, voicemail, sms, GPS etc. The iPad doesnt have a phone so no calls, voicemail, sms and the wifi-only iPad 2 does not have GPS. The iPad 2 with wifi+3G will have a GPS but still no phone, voicemail, SMS etc.

We all know apple will not allow functionality on a device unless it is sure it will work completely.

Salt.

[iDynamic]

probably not. i figure its a "complex" algorithm that can only be efficiently handled by the 4S. In essence... case in point, remember how multitasking /worked/ on a 3G and somewhat on the 3GS but thrived on the 4...

wrt iPad 2 which is essentially faster... it's apple, they watered down the bulletinboard for the iPad... wont be surprised if siri isnt on it.

well we can all guess that Siri needs a dual core A5 processor to run properly. So that rules out the iPhone 4 and definitely rules out the 3GS and lower.

But the iPad 2 has the same A5 processor and 512MB ram as the iPhone 4S, however I think the main reason why Siri won't be on the iPad 2 is because alot of what Siri does as a personal assistant requires access to a phone, voicemail, sms, GPS etc. The iPad doesnt have a phone so no calls, voicemail, sms and the wifi-only iPad 2 does not have GPS. The iPad 2 with wifi+3G will have a GPS but still no phone, voicemail, SMS etc.




We all know apple will not allow functionality on a device unless it is sure it will work completely.

Salt.

Yea I was thinking the exact thing ...I guess if they were to implement these functions in the iPad 3 it would have the Siri ......

As for phone calls , SMS and vociemail on my iPad 2 , currently I can only send and receive SMS via my micro sim ...I am not sure if the phone it app for iPad 2 is ready yet but even if it is , all those features were not developed from apple devs so I still won't have any hope anyways ....



I'll wait for the public official iOS 5 to release also .....I hope iMessage works with edge or bbis at least , that would be a plus in my books , I see they stated over wifi and 3G so I'll cross my fingers and assume edge also

[mojosodope]

I know when I had iOS 5 beta 2 installed on my iPad and my iPhone 4 iMessage worked while I was on EDGE,

I have no clue if they updated it to not work in the public release tomorrow but I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work.

[M_2NR]

iMessage works on edge.

[iDynamic]

Alright ..pheww

[M_2NR]

ok siri is pretty wicked if you ask me...

its like cleverbot, wolframalpha, google... and all your mobile crap bundled in... I want it

jk

[iDynamic]

ok siri is pretty wicked if you ask me...

its like cleverbot, wolframalpha, google... and all your mobile crap bundled in... I want it

jk

I have Siri tabancca .........




He told his iPhone 4s " I love you " ....she replied , " I hope you don't tell that to other phones " ...hahahahhahaahah deadddddddddd*****

[mojosodope]

Tomorrow when iOS 5 releases, i know I have to update to iOS 5 with a preserved baseband in order for my gevey pro to work. I DONT want to jailbreak, I'll just make a custom ipsw with snow breeze with the preserved baseband, will it still be tethered?

that's the only way to upgrade while just preserving the baseband right?

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Siri is Marvin's grandmother



in the not too distant future you too will have your own pessimistic, paranoid android.

[SRASC]

The iPhone 4S is a great device for some, but what if you’re thinking of upgrading from an iPhone 4? That’s a tougher call. The phone is faster, to be sure, and has an amazing camera. And of course, you can’t get Siri unless you have a 4S… but I just don’t know if any of those reasons are compelling enough to convince previous buyers to upgrade. The concept is a particularly hard sell for Verizon customers. The gap between this year’s model and last year’s model isn’t as wide as Apple would probably like. For this review, I returned to the iPhone after a fairly long period of using and testing other devices. Spending a week with Apple’s newest phone, I’m reminded again of just what makes the company’s products so special. It’s not specs, services, or apps. This phone is not perfect. Certainly it can be improved. But there is something here, beyond the screen and CPU, beyond iCloud, something under the surface. Some intangible spark. Is this the best phone ever made? That’s debatable. But I can tell you this: the iPhone 4S is pretty damn cool.

Leading up to last week’s event, like everyone else, I kept reading the rumors about a new iPhone with a larger screen and completely different form factor. Quite frankly, I was hoping they were wrong. (For the record, I stated that I heard the screen size rumor was wrong weeks ago.) The iPhone 4′s design is the pinnacle of smartphone design in my opinion. I simply could not imagine how they could alter it to make it better. Even making it thinner would mean that it wouldn’t fit as nicely in your hands for taking pictures. Android fanboys are going to love that statement. I’m happy that Apple decided not to change the form factor even though they had to know there would be some backlash from a certain segment of the population (read: idiots). Instead, Apple focused on the other thing they do best: refining already great products to make them better. The iPhone 4 was a great product. The best smartphone ever made. Now it cedes that title to the iPhone 4S.

Android phones seem to come out every Tuesday at 3:45 p.m. Apple updates iOS and the iPhone only once a year. So Apple had a lot of catching up to do, even some leapfrogging. There are some rough spots here and there; for example, every now and then the 4S’s camera app gets stuck on its startup screen. And while the battery still gets you through one full day, standby time is shorter than before (200 hours versus 300). But over all, Apple has done an excellent job. The question isn’t what’s in a name — it’s what’s in a phone. And the answer is: “A lot of amazing technology. And some of it feels like magic.”

The iPhone 4S is one of Apple’s less dramatic updates, but, when combined with the Siri, iOS 5 and iCloud features, it presents an attractive new offering to smartphone users. Some may be content to skip the new hardware and just enjoy the software and cloud features with older models. But those buying the phone will likely be happy with it.

In the end, the iPhone 4S follows Apple’s recent trajectory of iPhone releases: It’s an object of some appeal to people who last upgraded their phones a year ago, and over the next year a great many of them will find it worthwhile to upgrade to the iPhone 4S. But to all those people who’ve been hanging on to their iPhone 3G or iPhone 3GS, the wait is over: It’s time to upgrade without any hesitation whatsoever. The iPhone 4S has speed, a great camera, some cool voice-recognition features, and the same beautiful industrial design that was introduced in the iPhone 4. It’s destined to be immensely popular. The S, in this case, seems to stand for “sure thing.”

Apple concedes that Siri isn’t a finished product; she is in beta. But even with her blemishes, Siri is pretty darn cool. And she helps make the iPhone 4S pretty darn cool, too.
The bottom line

•Pro. Siri, good camera, iOS 5, iCloud, half-million apps. Snappy. World phone.
•Con. No LTE version. Photo Stream glitch.

The iPhone 4S looks exactly the same as its predecessor — but who cares? If it was shaped even slightly differently or came in a new color, people would still go nuts over the stuff that’s more important anyway: the insides. And both inside and out, this is a magnificent smartphone. The late Steve Jobs once called the computer the equivalent of a bicycle for our minds. I think of the smartphone as the rocket ship for our minds. With increasingly powerful sensors and technologies, and access to hundreds of thousands of apps enabling us to do just about anything, the iPhone keeps soaring to incredible heights and taking us to places with limitless potential. I guess that’s what you have to do to create a ding in the universe. WIRED Siri is the best androgynous unpaid intern you’ll ever meet. Dual-core guts make for faster apps and a smoother interface. Camera is much-improved. Call quality gets a boost. TIRED Siri is limited in what it can do and understand. Looks the same as the iPhone 4 — what’s up with that? A 2-year contract means you may not be eligible for the best upgrade pricing.

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Another interesting chart from Horace Dediu aims to predict how many existing iPhone users will upgrade to the iPhone 4S.

I created a probability distribution (PD) which suggests the likelihood that the phones purchased in that quarter get upgraded in the next 12 months. I created two such PDs illustrated in the inset chart below:

PD 1 is the simplest. It assumes that 90% of two year old iPhones will always be upgraded. PD 2 is a bit more nuanced where it assumes that there is a range of probabilities over a wider period, but with a peak in the 2 year old zone. These PDs are guesses but consider them starting points for debate.

The PD1 assumption that 90% of two year old iPhones will be upgraded yields a estimate of 36 million units. The PD2 assumption leads to an estimate of 36.2 million units upgraded in the next 12 months.

Dediu says while these numbers are assumptions he believes they are pretty conservative and are about half the theoretical maximum.



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On a side note about Siri, it would be nice if legacy iOS 5 compatible products would at least get an Android-like speech to text function as in microphone key on the keyboard integrated into the OS. Hopefully Apple would pick up on that for at least iOS 5.1

[M_2NR]

Tomorrow when iOS 5 releases, i know I have to update to iOS 5 with a preserved baseband in order for my gevey pro to work. I DONT want to jailbreak, I'll just make a custom ipsw with snow breeze with the preserved baseband, will it still be tethered?

that's the only way to upgrade while just preserving the baseband right?

It will be tethered for now and u better not update to virgin iOS 5 either.

Btw DUANE boom! (from tapatalk :$ it cool but I eh buying it eh. I take back my HYMC because we could do some crazy stuff with this)
and i wish we could have marvin's voice for siri. I'm sure someone will make a tweak for it because you can edit all sorts of things back when actionmenuvoice worked, like pitch, speed, etc. Also, it seems there is a male voice?



(yes another badass siri video, im telling myself... dont worry siri will be in iphone 5 too)

[mediahouse]

i can jus imagine all the stupid sex questions people are going to ask siri

[sexyicon]

FYI: Gevey works on ios5 once the baseband is preserved according to veence from iphonewiki

[M_2NR]

Some excellent news.... Redsn0w + pwnagetool fusion for both windows and Mac.
Sweet!

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

iMessage would work just like WhatsApp, any data connection will work.

IMO WhatsApp will be better than iMessage as it can work on Android, Blackberry, Nokia and iPhone. Whereas iMessage works on iPhone only, similar to BBM on Blackberry.

I guess we will find out today how great iMessage is when everyone gets it.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

ZOMG what time will iOS 5 be released?
Hurry up 10am!!!

[SRASC]

iMessage would be like BBM for iOS devices, in the sense that it would be another appealing factor for them. As far as BlackBerry goes, there goes their 1 remaining appealing factor. I think their days are numbered personally.
iOS 5 is expected at or around 1pm ET (10am PT) much like iOS 3 & 4 before it.
I must say though, setting up iCloud through the MobileMe transition as well as the Apple ID I've had for years, is unlike Apple in the sense its a pain in the ass.

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Apple launched iCloud earlier this morning. Go to http://iCloud.com for more.
Also the Find My Friends as well as AirPort Utility apps. Today's like early Christmas for Apple users.

Features of Find My Friends, as listed by Apple, include:

Easily locate friends and family
Temporary sharing option
Simple privacy controls
Parental restrictions
Free for iPhone, iPad and iPod touch
Requires iOS 5

With AirPort Utility, users can:

See a graphical overview of your Wi-Fi network
Get information about your connected Wi-Fi devices
view and change network and Wi-Fi settings
restart or restore a base station, or update the firmware on a base station when available
View or update passwords for your network, base stations or disks
Easily access network information such as IP address, DNS servers, and router addresses
Manage DHCP reservations and port mappings
View status or error messages for your base stations

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

NOON

[M_2NR]

I think it should drop at 1pm. iOS 3,4 both dropped at 1pm.

Duane. Relax. I eh updating so yuh eh gone get spam up.

I loving tapatalk though. Thanks for it!

[SRASC]

Liking the new TriniTuner mobile as well. It's really early Christmas for iPhone owners today

[streetlifestyle]

who cud bring in an unlocked 4S for me??? AND @ what price?? PM me plzzzzzzzzzzzz

[pimptacular]

HELP!!! I just bought a mac book pro with the i7 processor but i can't find the start button or my computer!! also there is no internet explorer..

[src1983]

Wow!! This tapatalk app is cool......

Browsing on the go.....

[iDynamic]

HELP!!! I just bought a mac book pro with the i7 processor but i can't find the start button or my computer!! also there is no internet explorer..

You serious dan ?


Everything is to the top toolbar , look for finder , places , home etc just breeze through each category and for IE just use the safari icon to the bottom dock , it's blue with a semi compass appearence ........that should do the trick ....



I am anxiously awaiting ios5 release but i would rather download it than have to update it through iTunes .... Bites fingers ...hurry up 1pm !!!!