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sMASH wrote:*puts on court clothes and spectacles*
ah, lets take a look see...
there it is in 11.2.f and there in 12.a.V/VI, the new management personnel would be elected at follow up by election, but the positions which are vacant would be filled by a trustee. upon resignation or termination, the effect is immediate. the ambiguity is if the collapse of the management means a termination of those in the management.
the structure that the trustees proposed for the motorsport commission was just that, 2 members from each discipline including 2 members from TTASA since they were the ASN.SR wrote:dissolve ttasa
have at least one past active trustee on the board of a new organisation as they will have a lot of info and guidlines to bring to the table( i know who i would recomend) the rest should be at least one person from each discipline....yes i know we have been down this rd already
new body should not be an event promoter but ensure standards are kept by all event promoters
clearly that hasn't been working all along.sMASH wrote:... or like when u was small and was playing cetch; the game done when overwhelming number of players say that they're not playing any more. in this case, where the vast majority of decision makers decide that things need to be different.
the rules only apply when every body thinks that they should apply. when every body thinks that they should change, then they should be changed.
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:clearly that hasn't been working all along.sMASH wrote:... or like when u was small and was playing cetch; the game done when overwhelming number of players say that they're not playing any more. in this case, where the vast majority of decision makers decide that things need to be different.
the rules only apply when every body thinks that they should apply. when every body thinks that they should change, then they should be changed.
this is going to boil down to whether or not the trustees have the ability to legally:
1. dissolve the management
2. cancel the Special General Meeting
3. appoint an interim committee using criteria against that which is outlined in the constitution
4. suspend the constitution
There is however majority support from the Trustees since 5 out of the 7 trustees have already shown some level of support to the suggested plan of the Chairman of the Trustees as outlined in 1-4 above. I am not sure if that changes the legality of the action though; the current constitution does not have room for it.
....starting with the directive of the TTASA Constitution, section 11:2(f) which states
"The management is deemed to have collapsed when there isn't a quorum of five elected members currently holding office. In such a case, to ensure the continuity of the Association's business, a Trustee or Trustees shall be appointed by the Chairman of the Board of Trustees to fill the vacant position/s to form a quorum until a Special General meeting is held. This Special General meeting must be held no later than three months after the Management Committee is deemed to have collapsed."
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IMHO
the Chairman of the Board of Trustees -Vishnu Mangalsingh- should have IMMEDIATELY DECLARED at the December regular meeting, when those three resignations were handed in, that he (Mangalsingh) is required to invoke section 11:2(f) of the Constitution and, by the next day, announce the name of the ONE Trustee required at that time to make the quorum of five to have a Special general meeting convened.
Even as the Vice-president resigned, an appointment of another Trustee was the logical, constitutional option.
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I think this a roundabout, delay-tactics strategy being employed and should be microscopically examined since the end result could be manipulation of the Constitution to the detriment of the Membership & the Association.
sMASH wrote:... or like when u was small and was playing cetch; the game done when overwhelming number of players say that they're not playing any more. in this case, where the vast majority of decision makers decide that things need to be different.
the rules only apply when every body thinks that they should apply. when every body thinks that they should change, then they should be changed.
this is not the first time.THE_FUGITIVES wrote: I wonder if this Anti TTASA upsurge ever been so Big before?
however it is important that proper structure, good sense and diplomacy be the method of moving forward, otherwise we will be moving backward.
Link, what are the legal implications for the Trustees if they do one or all of the above?Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:this is going to boil down to whether or not the trustees have the ability to legally:
1. dissolve the management
2. cancel the Special General Meeting
3. appoint an interim committee using criteria against that which is outlined in the constitution
4. suspend the constitution
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Link, what are the legal implications for the Trustees if they do one or all of the above?Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:this is going to boil down to whether or not the trustees have the ability to legally:
1. dissolve the management
2. cancel the Special General Meeting
3. appoint an interim committee using criteria against that which is outlined in the constitution
4. suspend the constitution
SR wrote:ent it have an fia meeting coming up soon
who representing ttasa.............and who paying for it
pete wrote:Link.. you could almost taste the presidency eh?
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:sMASH wrote:... or like when u was small and was playing cetch; the game done when overwhelming number of players say that they're not playing any more. in this case, where the vast majority of decision makers decide that things need to be different.
the rules only apply when every body thinks that they should apply. when every body thinks that they should change, then they should be changed.this is not the first time.THE_FUGITIVES wrote: I wonder if this Anti TTASA upsurge ever been so Big before?
the TTASA management dissolved 2 1/2 years ago as well when a majority decided things should change. In fact, as someone posted before, there has been a vote of no confidence against every President of TTASA since 1999. TTASA has elections every 2 years. Two past presidents have been expelled.
Another fact is that that same management that dissolved 2 1/2 years ago also tried to "join up" TTASA with MATT. They even signed an agreement with MATT in the Ministry, but it was later thrown out by TTASA mainly on the claims that the then President Nizam Mohammed was not authorized to carry out such a move. Nizam Mohammed was eventually expelled from TTASA.
The last few times things erupted it may have seemed quieter or we just can't remember. Back then there was no Motorsport General Council and no affiliate clubs with members so there were not as many people intimately involved in the process, so it may only seem like this time is special or more public.
In 1996 TTASA filed an injunction against AutoSport (Drag & Wind organisers) to stop them from having drag racing events in Wallerfield citing 'safety concerns'. Perhaps it was not so public because there was no trinituner or facebook back then, who knows, but everyone involved were very concerned and TTASA didn't look very good to the public back then.
Before MATT, there was the TTUMRA
Article from 2007
http://www.newsday.co.tt/features/0,60888.html
Then we had rarticles like this one in Zorce talking about 1996
http://www.zorce.com/zNews-ASPL-14-Feb-05.html
as you can see this not only happening yesterday.
however it is important that proper structure, good sense and diplomacy be the method of moving forward, otherwise we will be moving backward.
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ what good is the formula if it isn't being adhered to?
the Chairman didnt appoint anyone to make up the quorum but instead claimed the management was dissolved and there would be no bye election. He seemed to have the support of the members at the TTASA meeting when this was announced and later on got the support of a majority of other trustees.
Who is going to change the trustees minds?
the Chairman didnt appoint anyone to make up the quorum but instead claimed the management was dissolved and there would be no bye election.
if I continue.Return to “Ole talk and more Ole talk”
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