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avenall wrote:9/10. They have built roads in alot of rural places and have developed way more. The crime rate as gone down by 20 percent. They have built a Childrens Hospital. they gave out over 100k laptops to students and They built over 80 new schools and they have done way more. They have delivered more than the past political party in terms of growing our economy. It is in my view to give them a second term.
EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:Let me give an HONEST view of the PP UNC.
Box drains are just ok nothing special, yes it reduced some mosquitoes and made the place prettier no more of that nasty mud drains black from too much sewage. It made roads a LOT wider.
Road paving, this is where they really shine eh. I see roads never paved since the age of the dinosaurs, they now look so amazing. No more damaged car suspension some people spend $10,000 a year on car maintenance due to bad roads. You have to give them props for what they did with roads in this country especially south of the caroni bridge. {/quote]
Most Chaguanas/Couva roads i does see is mash up. Chag centre still mash up.Hospitals and health care, yes yes yes give Kamla a medal here, 4 hospitals in 5 years bravo. Took PNM 40 years to accomplish the same. They really deserve credit for this part, makes you feel proud to have such great health care as opposed to people in the US dying because they don't have health insurance we really do take these things for granted down here.
Building is one thing. Service is another. But was same under PNM (,i.e. bad service). I'd argue service is more important.I am no fan of baby grant and these other social programs but say what, I don't like to criticize these things when I not in the shoes of others who need the help. So I prefer avoid those discussions.
I doh have nor want kids. but then neither UNC now or PNM before had a good strategy with welfare. It should be geared for non-dependency, PNM/UNC ent done nutten to prevent this.I think UNC PP failed in transport, PTSC is in a mess, the overall service utterly stinks to say the least. PNM did a little better than PPG in public transport, but overall that service was always piss poor no matter how you look at it. PPG opened up a bunch of new routes with PTSC and they didn't bring down extra buses for it so it just became worse. Furthermore avoiding the idea of a new railway really lowers their score here but I am hoping it changes. Offcourse nobody actually believes that Rowley is going to build that rapid rail, seeing that they fail on majority of their promises.
Kams says she want a busway. Whihc is a good idea, I'll admit.Say what you want about PPG, they can actually fulfill their promises. The amount of money they spent on doing this is another debate but end of the day Kamla is right they fulfilled about 90% of their manifesto.
I doh see why people hating. I know the anti feminists are enraged that their leader is a woman yeah but still.
RASC wrote:teems1 wrote:RASC wrote:avenall wrote:9/10. They have built roads in alot of rural places and have developed way more. The crime rate as gone down by 20 percent. They have built a Childrens Hospital. they gave out over 100k laptops to students and They built over 80 new schools and they have done way more. They have delivered more than the past political party in terms of growing our economy. It is in my view to give them a second term.
Built and developed the country "way" more... You guys serious?
This has been THE SLOWEST 5 years for the local construction industry in some time.
Box drains and laptops is what your bench mark for development is?
They built 80 new schools???What r-asshole allyuh pulling these stats from partner
sigh
You say its been the slowest 5 years ever in local construction, providing no evidence/sources.
Then ask for a source on the 80 school comment.
See what's wrong with this picture?
OK my bad.
80 NEW schools were built and construction industry booming... Allyuh win---->
redman24 wrote:The_Honourable wrote:EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:The_Honourable wrote:6/10
The PP Government has done a lot of good but they loss points when it comes to:
- Crime (Cocaine & guns still coming into the country. Mr Bigs not in jail)
- Not effectively dealing with the allegations of corruption.
- Some weaknesses in Kamla's leadership style. (I am advised, I don't know)
I still feel 6/10 is a bit too low, I much more prefer 7/10.
Question how would you rate the PNM over 40 years?
I give them a 3/10
I can't rate the PNM for 40 years since i did not live through the Williams administration and was too young during the Chambers administration. What i can say is that a LOT more should have been done under the PNM because we should be the Dubai of the Caribbean (as someone put it) a long time now.
One thing i have realized that is constant with the PNM, study how the grassroots and constituencies are treated once their party is in power.
My point exactly. Just pure mamaguy as payment for blind loyalty in these stronghold areas year after year election after election. This country might be destroyed by fire and brimstone the day someplace like say laventille suddenly decided to make a change for once and vote for a party other than the PNM. but the question arises... In contrast, do diehard UNC stonghold areas experience the same kind of representation i.e. mamaguy and neglect or is it different.... can anyone from such a constituency contribute and shed some light?
desifemlove wrote:redman24 wrote:The_Honourable wrote:EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:The_Honourable wrote:6/10
The PP Government has done a lot of good but they loss points when it comes to:
- Crime (Cocaine & guns still coming into the country. Mr Bigs not in jail)
- Not effectively dealing with the allegations of corruption.
- Some weaknesses in Kamla's leadership style. (I am advised, I don't know)
I still feel 6/10 is a bit too low, I much more prefer 7/10.
Question how would you rate the PNM over 40 years?
I give them a 3/10
I can't rate the PNM for 40 years since i did not live through the Williams administration and was too young during the Chambers administration. What i can say is that a LOT more should have been done under the PNM because we should be the Dubai of the Caribbean (as someone put it) a long time now.
One thing i have realized that is constant with the PNM, study how the grassroots and constituencies are treated once their party is in power.
My point exactly. Just pure mamaguy as payment for blind loyalty in these stronghold areas year after year election after election. This country might be destroyed by fire and brimstone the day someplace like say laventille suddenly decided to make a change for once and vote for a party other than the PNM. but the question arises... In contrast, do diehard UNC stonghold areas experience the same kind of representation i.e. mamaguy and neglect or is it different.... can anyone from such a constituency contribute and shed some light?
Protests in Siparia over bad roads....Oropouche not wanting Stacy back..
redman24 wrote:My point exactly. Just pure mamaguy as payment for blind loyalty in these stronghold areas year after year election after election. This country might be destroyed by fire and brimstone the day someplace like say laventille suddenly decided to make a change for once and vote for a party other than the PNM. but the question arises... In contrast, do diehard UNC stonghold areas experience the same kind of representation i.e. mamaguy and neglect or is it different.... can anyone from such a constituency contribute and shed some light?
Ted_v2 wrote:desifemlove wrote:redman24 wrote:The_Honourable wrote:EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:The_Honourable wrote:6/10
The PP Government has done a lot of good but they loss points when it comes to:
- Crime (Cocaine & guns still coming into the country. Mr Bigs not in jail)
- Not effectively dealing with the allegations of corruption.
- Some weaknesses in Kamla's leadership style. (I am advised, I don't know)
I still feel 6/10 is a bit too low, I much more prefer 7/10.
Question how would you rate the PNM over 40 years?
I give them a 3/10
I can't rate the PNM for 40 years since i did not live through the Williams administration and was too young during the Chambers administration. What i can say is that a LOT more should have been done under the PNM because we should be the Dubai of the Caribbean (as someone put it) a long time now.
One thing i have realized that is constant with the PNM, study how the grassroots and constituencies are treated once their party is in power.
My point exactly. Just pure mamaguy as payment for blind loyalty in these stronghold areas year after year election after election. This country might be destroyed by fire and brimstone the day someplace like say laventille suddenly decided to make a change for once and vote for a party other than the PNM. but the question arises... In contrast, do diehard UNC stonghold areas experience the same kind of representation i.e. mamaguy and neglect or is it different.... can anyone from such a constituency contribute and shed some light?
Protests in Siparia over bad roads....Oropouche not wanting Stacy back..
Just to add to this. Fyzabad doesn't want Sharma either.
teems1 wrote:RASC wrote:teems1 wrote:RASC wrote:avenall wrote:9/10. They have built roads in alot of rural places and have developed way more. The crime rate as gone down by 20 percent. They have built a Childrens Hospital. they gave out over 100k laptops to students and They built over 80 new schools and they have done way more. They have delivered more than the past political party in terms of growing our economy. It is in my view to give them a second term.
Built and developed the country "way" more... You guys serious?
This has been THE SLOWEST 5 years for the local construction industry in some time.
Box drains and laptops is what your bench mark for development is?
They built 80 new schools???What r-asshole allyuh pulling these stats from partner
sigh
You say its been the slowest 5 years ever in local construction, providing no evidence/sources.
Then ask for a source on the 80 school comment.
See what's wrong with this picture?
OK my bad.
80 NEW schools were built and construction industry booming... Allyuh win---->
sigh again
OP asked for a serious thread for once.
Statements like "alyuh win" do nothing but throw off any chance for discourse.
Excellent job btw of doing exactly that. If I were in charge of social media propaganda for a political party I'd have persons posting exactly like how you are in threads like these. Money well spent hiring RASC.
Crackpot wrote:Ya'll just sheeping in here![]()
Read a good book, or use kams laptaps for sumting else other than pornhub
Curtms wrote:randolphinshan wrote:mark2.0 wrote:She could get my 10
All of it!
Pp govt zero outta ten they thief too damm much
Stach tho, yummy she could come by me after september 7
If you have evidence it should go to the relevant authorities!
zoom rader wrote:Crackpot wrote:Ya'll just sheeping in here![]()
Read a good book, or use kams laptaps for sumting else other than pornhub
Long before Laptops, the PNM use to give school kids $70 in the 1970s and then increased it to $250 in the 1980s for assistance to purchase school books. Most of the PNM kids would use this money to buy Converse, prokeds, and pumas while the rest of kids bought books. The kids that bought books had Bata Dogs and if things good they had a Bullet.
I still see those folks that bought these Converse, prokeds, and pumas working in cepep , odd jobs in and around San do. Some made Jail and some on drugs.
So for those that don't use the Kams laptops your future is bright.
randolphinshan wrote:Curtms wrote:randolphinshan wrote:mark2.0 wrote:She could get my 10
All of it!
Pp govt zero outta ten they thief too damm much
Stach tho, yummy she could come by me after september 7
If you have evidence it should go to the relevant authorities!
Sick man what the hell you asking for evidence for, like you dont read the papers or watch parliamsnt channel or what saddis..evidence of this govermnents widespread corruption, nepotism or wastage is all tgere for you to see. Yea so they spent billions on box drains but with normal rain the whole ah chagunas flood.
So sicko before you ask for evidence to take to authorities, look and see for yourself and dont be a blind pp sheep, you might have a brain of your own I suggest you start to use it.
#fedupahfools
mero wrote:Crackpot hit zoom a King break up on arcade there yes
Crackpot wrote:zoom rader wrote:Crackpot wrote:Ya'll just sheeping in here![]()
Read a good book, or use kams laptaps for sumting else other than pornhub
Long before Laptops, the PNM use to give school kids $70 in the 1970s and then increased it to $250 in the 1980s for assistance to purchase school books. Most of the PNM kids would use this money to buy Converse, prokeds, and pumas while the rest of kids bought books. The kids that bought books had Bata Dogs and if things good they had a Bullet.
I still see those folks that bought these Converse, prokeds, and pumas working in cepep , odd jobs in and around San do. Some made Jail and some on drugs.
So for those that don't use the Kams laptops your future is bright.
You racist pieceofshit...keep spewing all the stereotypes you and the likes of you think. Wtf is a "PNM Kid" ?The majority of black ppl in this country had to struggle and make do with what they had growing up. Despicable human-like substances such as you try to separate norms from exceptions, i.e you are implying that Eric Williams set up a system to give money to children in they hand and the "PNM kids" bought sneakers whilst the others bought books and now that is why they are poor and on the streets
Shame on you.
Speech like that is why books are banned, burned and wiped out of history, freedom of speech is a right, but a right has responsibilities. You give your mouth liberty because you know at the end of the day nothing you say will make a difference come sep 7th so all you can do is be vile towards ppl who have no animosity towards you in the first place. This is all on you, and the UNC is no better for having supporters like you, so go somewhere where the "base" enjoys low-level pseudo-racism to make them feel better.
Any I.T technician in any school in Trinidad can attest to the FACT that the majority of those kam-tops have problems, children don't take care of them, they are filled with porn and video games and there is no assimilation of them for classroom activities to genuinely incorporate them into schools. A better alternative would have been I.T labs and teachers in schools creating jobs and pushing the limits of our development by possibly taking the brightest of our children and teaching them coding and programming from a earlier age. Apps all over the world are being developed by teenagers and all we do here is post the latest fight video in colloquial slang. They are nothing but a political gimmick used to make a narcissistic individual look good. Do you guys really think we can reach developed country status by simply giving children laptops?![]()
Is that policy? What is the goals in 5yrs? Can we rival Singapore or India in I.T capabilities per capita? Do you even know that the S.E.W that Minister Bharath boasts of us is a Singapore program brought here by PATOS to move business forwards. Instead is social media up the hiltSteupz
Nothing has changed from 2010 to now, the UNC feels that they can run a country on propaganda and ONE ministry of works, whilst all of us here pay Health Surcharge and still have to wait long hours if not days in hospitals. They building more hospitals instead of making existing ones better.
Licensing Office still in a mess, Crime has been consistently high averaging 400 per yr. And don't even mention the 500 in one yr because the highest level is NOT the benchmark. CEPEP and URP is still a football used to get rich quick and pass to friends and families and is still not sustainable employment. Speaking of which, where the F@*k is the Central Statistical Office, where is the Scanners they promised at the Ports, where is billions of dollars going? In box drains![]()
The interference in Education is suspect at best, Ministry of Energy is a mess, Ministry of Food Production definitely failed, Food in this country is sky high, especially vegetables and fruit, What does the Ministry of Gender do? : Every woman that tried to be honest in the last 5 yrs has been attacked, look at the Prisons, what does the Ministry of Justice do with its budget? What about tourism, can we say arrivals to Trinidad increased? Can we even go Tobago easily? Speaking of which, look at CAL in the last 5 yrs. Ya'll smelling it and drinking it too![]()
The problem is that we are satisfied with mediocrity according to which side we are on and this causes this country to be polarized and dragged backwards all the time. I bet everyone on this forum has to perform well in their job or else internet access not connected but we are willing to allow BS from these politicians because of our narrow-mindedness. This government has been a colossal failure, be honest, ppl at least were honest before 2010. You owe them nothing
HSA wrote:i has my pernament job in the govament and i is an unc till ah ded.. so me en care hu win the elektion....i still wokkin...ha.
humbleservant wrote:UNC are a bunch of cocky, geriatric dinosaurs who need to get the fcuk out of politics and find members with real vision and leadership qualities.
UNC government has shamed this country with scandals.
They have the record for most amount of box drain built in one year though.
zoom rader wrote:HSA wrote:i has my pernament job in the govament and i is an unc till ah ded.. so me en care hu win the elektion....i still wokkin...ha.
Let PNM get in nah and once u don't support PNM you gonna be sideline for any promotion and maybe victimised
UML wrote:UML wrote:8/10
if people can't remember 5 years ago when
No damn dog bark
Water barrels were at almost every home collecting rain
People used standpipes everyday for daily activities (no more standpipes )
Getting water from rivers and wells
Waiting 5 years to beg for ur road to be paved
Waiting months for government services which are now done in weeks or days
Ignorant unfriendly public servants
"Hidden" grants
Waiting 40+ YEARS for government housing
Unfired corrupt government officials
"Laryngitis" affecting accountability by the PM
Not disclosing the price at which natural gas was being sold to Smelter Plants
Cocaine and mortar in water tanks
Pena Church, World GTL, MV Sue, Gas Optimisation Programme, Petrotrin new administration building
Overpriced, over budgeted cost overrun unfinished projects
When we cringed on budget day rushing to buy petrol and expecting a new tax on budget day
More taxes less services
Shall I go on?
No promotion of agriculture
Agricultural farms being destroyed for housing
Private jet flights and planes
Farmers suffering from flooding and getting $20 compensation
Secret scholarships
Setting up unconstitutional parallel organisations to spy on citizenry
Blimp
Million dollar flag
Mass migration because of daily kidnappings and government government encouraging it
PM wining and dining gang leaders
Property tax which coming back
Mr Big known yet nothing done
Bombings in POS nothing done
Dana Seetahal murder
Crackpot wrote:You racist pieceofshit...keep spewing all the stereotypes you and the likes of you think. Wtf is a "PNM Kid" ?The majority of black ppl in this country had to struggle and make do with what they had growing up. Despicable human-like substances such as you try to separate norms from exceptions, i.e you are implying that Eric Williams set up a system to give money to children in they hand and the "PNM kids" bought sneakers whilst the others bought books and now that is why they are poor and on the streets
Shame on you.
Speech like that is why books are banned, burned and wiped out of history, freedom of speech is a right, but a right has responsibilities. You give your mouth liberty because you know at the end of the day nothing you say will make a difference come sep 7th so all you can do is be vile towards ppl who have no animosity towards you in the first place. This is all on you, and the UNC is no better for having supporters like you, so go somewhere where the "base" enjoys low-level pseudo-racism to make them feel better.
Any I.T technician in any school in Trinidad can attest to the FACT that the majority of those kam-tops have problems, children don't take care of them, they are filled with porn and video games and there is no assimilation of them for classroom activities to genuinely incorporate them into schools. A better alternative would have been I.T labs and teachers in schools creating jobs and pushing the limits of our development by possibly taking the brightest of our children and teaching them coding and programming from a earlier age. Apps all over the world are being developed by teenagers and all we do here is post the latest fight video in colloquial slang. They are nothing but a political gimmick used to make a narcissistic individual look good. Do you guys really think we can reach developed country status by simply giving children laptops?![]()
Is that policy? What is the goals in 5yrs? Can we rival Singapore or India in I.T capabilities per capita? Do you even know that the S.E.W that Minister Bharath boasts of us is a Singapore program brought here by PATOS to move business forwards. Instead is social media up the hiltSteupz
Nothing has changed from 2010 to now, the UNC feels that they can run a country on propaganda and ONE ministry of works, whilst all of us here pay Health Surcharge and still have to wait long hours if not days in hospitals. They building more hospitals instead of making existing ones better.
Licensing Office still in a mess, Crime has been consistently high averaging 400 per yr. And don't even mention the 500 in one yr because the highest level is NOT the benchmark. CEPEP and URP is still a football used to get rich quick and pass to friends and families and is still not sustainable employment. Speaking of which, where the F@*k is the Central Statistical Office, where is the Scanners they promised at the Ports, where is billions of dollars going? In box drains![]()
The interference in Education is suspect at best, Ministry of Energy is a mess, Ministry of Food Production definitely failed, Food in this country is sky high, especially vegetables and fruit, What does the Ministry of Gender do? : Every woman that tried to be honest in the last 5 yrs has been attacked, look at the Prisons, what does the Ministry of Justice do with its budget? What about tourism, can we say arrivals to Trinidad increased? Can we even go Tobago easily? Speaking of which, look at CAL in the last 5 yrs. Ya'll smelling it and drinking it too![]()
The problem is that we are satisfied with mediocrity according to which side we are on and this causes this country to be polarized and dragged backwards all the time. I bet everyone on this forum has to perform well in their job or else internet access not connected but we are willing to allow BS from these politicians because of our narrow-mindedness. This government has been a colossal failure, be honest, ppl at least were honest before 2010. You owe them nothing
Daran wrote:Crackpot wrote:You racist pieceofshit...keep spewing all the stereotypes you and the likes of you think. Wtf is a "PNM Kid" ?The majority of black ppl in this country had to struggle and make do with what they had growing up. Despicable human-like substances such as you try to separate norms from exceptions, i.e you are implying that Eric Williams set up a system to give money to children in they hand and the "PNM kids" bought sneakers whilst the others bought books and now that is why they are poor and on the streets
Shame on you.
Speech like that is why books are banned, burned and wiped out of history, freedom of speech is a right, but a right has responsibilities. You give your mouth liberty because you know at the end of the day nothing you say will make a difference come sep 7th so all you can do is be vile towards ppl who have no animosity towards you in the first place. This is all on you, and the UNC is no better for having supporters like you, so go somewhere where the "base" enjoys low-level pseudo-racism to make them feel better.
Any I.T technician in any school in Trinidad can attest to the FACT that the majority of those kam-tops have problems, children don't take care of them, they are filled with porn and video games and there is no assimilation of them for classroom activities to genuinely incorporate them into schools. A better alternative would have been I.T labs and teachers in schools creating jobs and pushing the limits of our development by possibly taking the brightest of our children and teaching them coding and programming from a earlier age. Apps all over the world are being developed by teenagers and all we do here is post the latest fight video in colloquial slang. They are nothing but a political gimmick used to make a narcissistic individual look good. Do you guys really think we can reach developed country status by simply giving children laptops?![]()
Is that policy? What is the goals in 5yrs? Can we rival Singapore or India in I.T capabilities per capita? Do you even know that the S.E.W that Minister Bharath boasts of us is a Singapore program brought here by PATOS to move business forwards. Instead is social media up the hiltSteupz
Nothing has changed from 2010 to now, the UNC feels that they can run a country on propaganda and ONE ministry of works, whilst all of us here pay Health Surcharge and still have to wait long hours if not days in hospitals. They building more hospitals instead of making existing ones better.
Licensing Office still in a mess, Crime has been consistently high averaging 400 per yr. And don't even mention the 500 in one yr because the highest level is NOT the benchmark. CEPEP and URP is still a football used to get rich quick and pass to friends and families and is still not sustainable employment. Speaking of which, where the F@*k is the Central Statistical Office, where is the Scanners they promised at the Ports, where is billions of dollars going? In box drains![]()
The interference in Education is suspect at best, Ministry of Energy is a mess, Ministry of Food Production definitely failed, Food in this country is sky high, especially vegetables and fruit, What does the Ministry of Gender do? : Every woman that tried to be honest in the last 5 yrs has been attacked, look at the Prisons, what does the Ministry of Justice do with its budget? What about tourism, can we say arrivals to Trinidad increased? Can we even go Tobago easily? Speaking of which, look at CAL in the last 5 yrs. Ya'll smelling it and drinking it too![]()
The problem is that we are satisfied with mediocrity according to which side we are on and this causes this country to be polarized and dragged backwards all the time. I bet everyone on this forum has to perform well in their job or else internet access not connected but we are willing to allow BS from these politicians because of our narrow-mindedness. This government has been a colossal failure, be honest, ppl at least were honest before 2010. You owe them nothing
Allow me to correct this idiot. Firstly, what ZR said was right, as a black trini who went to an ‘indian’ prestige school and have family from Malick, Arima. La Horquetta and Laventille. I CAN ATTEST to the fact that the majority of black people in Trinidad waste their government ‘handouts’. There’s a long list of sociological explanations as to why, but let’s not deny the facts. Go back to the 90s and see how Gypsy’s “Little Black Boy” was received.
Firstly, most IT Techs are idiots. I have rarely seen any who are genuinely smart. They should thank their lucky stars these laptops have ‘issues’ because they’d be unemployed if not.
Secondly, I understand most people are grossly unaware of educational, developmental research and UNICEF’s goals. But let me break it down for you in point form.
1. In every instance of providing technological access at home (not only at school!), the children’s IQ and knowledge increased.
2. Not only that, but in cases where parents and other member of family did not have access to technology, when the children brought home their laptops/tablets. It increased almost every measurable metric of societal progress. The stats from numerous published studies showed reduction in crime, scientific awareness, health knowledge, information about government services that they were not aware of, musical knowledge, cultural knowledge etc.
Access to technology was defined either as access to laptops/tablets or/and broadband.
E.g. for those who lack imagination, those same little kids in the ghetto who you all scorn, imagine if because of access to that laptop, learned about music from all over the world, they then learned or got inspired to learn and instrument from free instructional videos on YouTube.
That’s an example with music, but it could be in so many other fields, art, sport, programming, fashion, math etc.
What if the next entrepreneurial computer genius who started the next ‘google’ started off programming on a kam-top??? Economy saved.
You seem to have a problem with Government propaganda, fair enough, I hope you know PNM was just as guilty. And as for licensing office, maybe you were unaware that Caroni has one now, and it’s quite nice!
Ministry of Energy is hardly in a mess, it’s perhaps one of the best run ministries right now under Kevin Ramnerine.
Food inflation under the PP is SIGNIFICANTLY less than under PNM. Do you not remember in one year alone we had a 20% increase in food prices!!! And PPG has done a lot to encourage farming, trust me on that.
The rest of your complaints are frivolous and don’t warrant addressing.
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