WTK: XP Pro vs Vista

[NorStar2K]

I'm late in the game cuz I chose to stay with the XP Pro OS, so hence the question. I'm buying a couple DELL/HP systems and all they come with is Vista, except the Optiplex 775.

I did a tuner search b4 posting, but everything basically points to FS threads. If anyone can point me to the link I'd appreciate it.

I've also read the online tech reviews, but I'm really interested in hearing from you.

Is the upgrade worth it?. Thanks.

So............your views please.

[Cjruckus]

Vista is a memory whore. It is a lot nicer to look at. I havent had any problems with vista so far and i have been pretty pleased with my experience.

There is a slight learning curve to the interface, but it isnt hard to get around if you are used to Xp Pro.

I would however stay away from Vista Home, and shell out the extra cash for the Vista business/ultimate, simply because the home version is lacking in a lot of admin tools and features. It is very stripped down and could be a pain to get the OS to do what you want it to do. That's just my opinion though, if you dont care about that stuff, hen stick with the home version, but i would recommend an upgrade to business or ultimate for sure.

[saxman642]

also you may have trouble finding XP drivers...

[M_2NR]

depends on the specs of the system bro...

I dont mind vista at all, runs fast, its pretty stable for me, i never get any blue screens, etc. Others might tell you otherwise.

There are ways you can strip down vista to make it less of a hog (that is if you find it so), but... i never delved into the issue.

*awaits others*

[NorStar2K]

depends on the specs of the system bro...

I dont mind vista at all, runs fast, its pretty stable for me, i never get any blue screens, etc. Others might tell you otherwise.

There are ways you can strip down vista to make it less of a hog (that is if you find it so), but... i never delved into the issue.

*awaits others*

Thanks guys for the quick comments, much appreciated. Keep em coming!

The core of the Desktop specs:

- 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo E4600 800MHz 2MB L2 Cache LGA775
- 4GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM @ 667MHz – 2DIMMs
- 250GB WD SATA II HDD 7200RPM (2x250GB RAID-0)
- 512MB GeForce Nvidia 8600GT PCI-Express DVIx2 S-Video

Enough for Vista?

[noshownogo]

More than enough for Vista, you can run business/ultimate easily...do it.

[benko]

did you happen to notice if it is Vista or XP 64bit edition .. noting that you have 4gb of RAM configured (you will not get use of more than 3gb in a 32bit OS)

Specs could work fine with vista ... I think you could probably do alot better with the Processor .. look at options with much larger cache sizes even the i7 came in with 8mb L2 cache, those vendors you mentioned have a couple of systems starting with much better base spec cpu, the video, ram, and hdd being the upgrade of course.
Also since you are looking at higherend specs try more upspec RAM there may be a upgrade from 667MHz to 800Mhz or 1066Mhz

XP would be the most versatile choice at this point.. I would not chose a Vista upgrade if there were an option, however, I am also looking forward to the phasing out of Vista much like they did to Windows Me, due to bloat and application non-compliance. If you intend to run primarily Microsoft applications and all your programs are fairly new (after 2005-6) then Vista will work out perfectly, if you have even 1 crucial application that is a bit older it may be cause for concern.

[noobie]

At this point in time , where drivers and compatibility with new equipment are concerned, you aren't going to see much difference between Vista and XP.

Even games run well in Vista now, to the point where there may be a 2 to 3 frames per second difference if so much.

If you are purchasing your computer brand new, with about 2GB of RAM then there's no reason now not to go with Vista.

Vista Ultimate so far is for enthusiasts, but actually has nothing included that the majority of computer users really require that cannot be better provided by 3rd party applications.

If you are buying a new computer, get Vista. If you have XP then decide if you want to spend US200+ on an operating system that is going to be obsolete by August-September 2009 when Windows 7 is expected to be released.

[wagonrunner]

also you may have trouble finding XP drivers...

[Mark Divr]

i installed xp pro sp3 last nite...the comp runnin like a monster...but i also have vista home on my laptop....i rather xp pro doh..more flexability when installin pirated or cracked software.
just my $0.02

[Notorious Scullman]

also you may have trouble finding XP drivers...

Yuh know I does REALLY wonder about people on this forum sometimes.

[wagonrunner]

Yuh know I does REALLY wonder about people on this forum sometimes.

doh waste yuh time like that.
might as well do something more constructive.............. like drink beer.

and to norstar2k,
no its not worth it, unless to you form > function.

[NorStar2K]

Thanks guys for your comments, much appreciated. Keep em coming!

[VexXx Dogg]

Personally i like XP more than Vista.
Vista is a resource sucking wh0re, maybe after a few patches things should smooth out.

Windows 7 looks promising though, but when will it be commercially available, i dont know...

But i agree with the general consensus: Vista Business>Vista Home.

[wagonrunner]

differences between different versions of vista.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2 ... 721,00.asp

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/window ... fault.aspx

[Strauss]

Personally i like XP more than Vista.
Vista is a resource sucking wh0re,

Only for those with little resources

When ANY OS gets more complex or moves from 8bit --> 16bit --> 32bit --> 64bit, you must expect that it's going to be hungry for more RAM. That's basic knowledge.

When we move from 64 to 128, the RAM requirements going to be HUGE also. It's the price you pay for progress.

And besides RAM is cheap! So stock up/max out.
And maybe some of your are also cheap if you are buying PC's that max out at 4GB of RAM.

*runs*

[VexXx Dogg]

Personally i like XP more than Vista.
Vista is a resource sucking wh0re,

Only for those with little resources

When ANY OS gets more complex or moves from 8bit --> 16bit --> 32bit --> 64bit, you must expect that it's going to be hungry for more RAM. That's basic knowledge.

When we move from 64 to 128, the RAM requirements going to be HUGE also. It's the price you pay for progress.

And besides RAM is cheap! So stock up/max out.
And maybe some of your are also cheap if you are buying PC's that max out at 4GB of RAM.

*runs*

I blame the OS, seen lappys freeze with 3gb ram plus. basic apps running, nothing major.
My XP desktop is pretty normal:
3.0 Ghz Dual core proc
2 GB ram
1 GB vid card
and i have a million applications open at the same time, no probs.

Vista cant even push quarter of that (granted the processor is a bit less, and ram is doubled).

I still stand by the allegation that vista has piss poor memory management.
I will give OSX credit for that - memory and application management rocks.

[NorStar2K]

So far...............

- Vista Memory whore - CHECK
- Vista GUI small user learning curve - CHECK
- Best for Vista - 4GB 800/1066 RAM - CHECK
- Vista Business/Ultimate Best options - CHECK
- CPU with 8MB L2 Cache (Min) - CHECK
- Vista Compatible Drivers no longer an issue - CHECK
- Vista is the 80s version of ME - CHECK
- Win 7 due on 2009 - CHECK
- Vista is now a stable gaming platform - CHECK
- XP Pro SP3 stable - CHECK

[Paradoxx]

VISTA is teh sheit.....literally its complete sheit...I rather use Windows 95 than that rubbish(no hyperbole there)

[teems1]

here's what you do

get Vista since it comes with standard.
install Microsoft Virtual PC 2007 on said pcs.
use a fully patched XP Pro SP3 vm as your main.

[JJ16]

i run vista 64bit 4gb ram 2.2ghz and i still prefer XP anyday when it comes to speed..but vista is decent...

cant wait for the new windows beta

[NorStar2K]

This just in.........

Washington (OTL) - Windows 7 Beta 1 has been leaked onto the internet for the first time.

The beta expires on July 1, 2009 and was supposed to be released to the public in the middle of January.

Those of you who want to get your hands on it early though can now do so as it has been leaked onto BitTorrent.

This is more of a stable version of the operating system and is reportedly very impressive.

The beta, according to reviewers, is extremely high-quality and is far improved over what we have seen in Vista from Microsoft.

Windows 7 Beta 1 (32bit)
http://www.mininova.org/tor/2123791

[Nasrallah]

why don't you partition the hard drive , install XP and Vista on each partition...

what ever program doesnt work in Vista just boot up XP, you'll have best of both worlds

[skylinechild]

why don't you partition the hard drive , install XP and Vista on each partition...

what ever program doesnt work in Vista just boot up XP, you'll have best of both worlds

hey umm it's called dual booting....u need to instal the lower operating first onto the first partition and then after it finishes install the newer operating system onto the other partition.

ok here's the details.

xp. stable runs everything fine

vista- not stable ..works like crap needs a fast processor losts of ram ( did i mention it's a memory whore) drivers are a total problem.

in order to run vista good u need a gooq quad core and about 4GB of ram ohh and u also even have the choice of a 32bit version or 64bit version....doesnt make sense.

microsoft said tha vista was a terrible failure and was releasing windows 7 in the end of 2009.( probably november)

so you think, even if the maker said that it was a failure and it only spend 3 yrs in the limelight ( xp was in the limelight for 6 yrs and works perfect) and as such was releasing windows 7 to replace vista.

sounding like millennium isnt it.?

[teems1]

partitioning and dual booting are things of the past

virtualization is the way forward.

[skylinechild]

partitioning and dual booting are things of the past

virtualization is the way forward.

nah i dont think so....i will stick with dual booting

dual booting you cud dual boot xp professional and mac OS X
lol.....TPM Chip........who cares !!!!

[Nasrallah]

vista- not stable ..works like crap needs a fast processor losts of ram ( did i mention it's a memory whore) drivers are a total problem.

in order to run vista good u need a gooq quad core and about 4GB of ram ohh and u also even have the choice of a 32bit version or 64bit version....doesnt make sense.

?

I run Vista Ultimate on a AMD X2 5000 BE on 4gb Ram and it works flawlessly..all you have to do is as with all previous versions of Windows is to update to the latest service pack.

I've seen Vista Basic run stable on an old Intel Celeron, 512 of ddr1 ram and onboard graphics. (was a test to see if it would work on our crappy office PCs)

[NorStar2K]

[M_2NR]

Thanks guys for the quick comments, much appreciated. Keep em coming!

The core of the Desktop specs:
[spoiler]- 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo E4600 800MHz 2MB L2 Cache LGA775
- 4GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM @ 667MHz – 2DIMMs
- 250GB WD SATA II HDD 7200RPM (2x250GB RAID-0)
- 512MB GeForce Nvidia 8600GT PCI-Express DVIx2 S-Video[/spoiler]
Enough for Vista?

sorry i come back in so late i think its already established but that go mash up vista!

BTW i have another question again... since no one asked...

What are you going to be using the systems for bro? gaming, business, just checking mail, video editing? what you want to do is another determining factor.

BTW there are win 7 beta 1's leaking all around different build versions. Im not sure if they have been fully implementing the new win 7 interface (because i havent used it) there was a thread on it a couple weeks back too. I think they talked of it running on an asus eee pc...

what i saw also, as suggested by ahfella, and this is what i did myself, is that i did a dual-boot of XP and vista ult-64bit. and i somehow loved the Vista OS, because it ran nice, looked nice and didnt give any trouble and games on it (which were DX9/10 compatible) ran almost the same fps and even looked better (due to DX10).

Another thing to note, if you use XP-32bit version, you will only see 3.25GB of RAM and if you are going vista, go 64bit

Good luck bro... do hope you answered the question in bold and sorry about the essay

[Strauss]

Windows 7 beta 1 is just that..... BETA.

Get allyuh ass on Vista 64. Forget the 32bit... waste of time.

And get a GOOD machine that is expandable to around 16 to 32GB of RAM.