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TINT LAWS IN TRINIDAD & TOBAGO

Postby BlueIce » March 27th, 2009, 7:03 am

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Cops order thousands of motorists to strip, but...

An abuse of police power.

This is what forcing honest citizens to remove tints from their vehicle windows amounts to since there is no precise law on how light, or dark, a car's tint should be, the country's auto dealers and prominent attorney and independent senator, Dana Seetahal, said yesterday.

Current laws also do not give Trinidad and Tobago police officers the authority to make drivers physically remove tints from their car windows or windshields, Seetahal said.

In addition, auto dealers called the legislation that governs tints on cars "antiquated" and "subjective" and forced drivers to scrape off their tints at the "whim" of police officers.

Automobile Dealers Association president Philip Knaggs yesterday met with Transport Commissioner Rueben Cato and Supt Wayne Richards to discuss the country-wide crackdown on tinted vehicles.

The meeting took place at Cato's Wrightson Road, Port of Spain, office and lasted about 90 minutes.

Knaggs said during a phone interview and an e-mailed response that the law, as written, was antiquated and used terms that have no place in the legislation of a country trying to achieve First World status.

"Forcing honest citizens to scrape off their window tint while on the side of the nation's highways is a national embarrassment. This situation is made even worse by a police force and legislative body that refuses to define what is acceptable," he said.

Knaggs brought samples of tint strips to the meeting yesterday to get Richards to say what was acceptable in the eyes of the Police Service.

Knaggs said he did not get any answers.

"As a result, we cannot inform the members of the motoring public as to what is considered legal in the eyes of the police force," he told the Express.

Trinidad and Tobago motorists have operated on the premise that tints which allow a certain percentage of light through a vehicle's windows are acceptable.

A "Visible Light Transmission Percentage" of 35 per cent has been generally considered the legal norm for tints but many local drivers have used 20 per cent tints.

Developed countries use a percentage number to define what is a legal tint. Knaggs said the US state of Florida accepts 28 per cent as legal. But local laws give no precise definition of what is a legal tint and rely on police officers' judgment of what is too dark.

Police officers also can't force drivers to remove their tints, senior counsel Seetahal said.

"There is no power in law for police to make drivers remove their tints," she told the Express in a phone interview from her office in Port of Spain yesterday.

Section 23 1(d) of the Motor Vehicles and Road Transportation Act Chapter 48:50 states that it is an offence to have a vehicle windshield or window so tinted or darkened that it obscures the view of inside the vehicle from the outside.

It does not properly define in terms of percentage how light or dark the tint should be.

It does not carry a charge for the offence and instead directs the Licensing Authority to refer to Section 91 if there is a breach of the law.

This breach can carry a fine of up to $1,000 or six months imprisonment.

Seetahal said the Act gave the Licensing Authority power over motorists' tints and not the police.

The crackdown in recent weeks has become a "big joke and is being misused" by police officers who allow bigger traffic crimes to be committed while they force drivers to scrape off their tints, she said.

"There has to be an objective standard (for tints)," she said, adding that law enforcement officials had no authority under the law to make people pull aside and remove their tints.

Knaggs suggested that the police refused to give exact guidelines because they wanted to retain the ability to pull over vehicles on a whim, using tints as an excuse.

"Perhaps the police force is having training exercises for the upcoming Summit of the Americas. Perhaps they intend to have the visiting diplomats pulled over on the Beetham Highway, scraping off their tint. Or is this public humiliation only reserved for the citizens of Trinidad and Tobago?" Knaggs asked.

Police have forced 21,000 motorists to remove their tints in several exercises across the country since the crackdown started at the beginning of this month.

Supt Richards did not immediately respond to a call to his cellphone for comment yesterday.

Acting Deputy Commissioner of Police Raymond Craig said recently that several police officers were targeted for tint removal because the service also had to set an example.

Former government minister Kenneth Valley was one of
the citizens who were forced to strip the tint from his car.

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Postby janfar » March 27th, 2009, 7:06 am

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Postby bds » March 27th, 2009, 7:25 am

interesting to see where this goes......

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Postby exotic_2NR » March 27th, 2009, 7:45 am

i agree and i think dat 20% shudd be made d legal percentage of tint on vehicles...

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Re: NO CLEAR TINT LAW

Postby evo-STI-k » March 27th, 2009, 7:51 am

BlueIce wrote:NO CLEAR TINT LAW

Cops order thousands of motorists to strip, but...

An abuse of police power.

This is what forcing honest citizens to remove tints from their vehicle windows amounts to since there is no precise law on how light, or dark, a car's tint should be, the country's auto dealers and prominent attorney and independent senator, Dana Seetahal, said yesterday.

Current laws also do not give Trinidad and Tobago police officers the authority to make drivers physically remove tints from their car windows or windshields, Seetahal said.

THIS IS WHAT the GENERAL PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW!

In addition, auto dealers called the legislation that governs tints on cars "antiquated" and "subjective" and forced drivers to scrape off their tints at the "whim" of police officers.

Automobile Dealers Association president Philip Knaggs yesterday met with Transport Commissioner Rueben Cato and Supt Wayne Richards to discuss the country-wide crackdown on tinted vehicles.

The meeting took place at Cato's Wrightson Road, Port of Spain, office and lasted about 90 minutes.

Knaggs said during a phone interview and an e-mailed response that the law, as written, was antiquated and used terms that have no place in the legislation of a country trying to achieve First World status.

"Forcing honest citizens to scrape off their window tint while on the side of the nation's highways is a national embarrassment. This situation is made even worse by a police force and legislative body that refuses to define what is acceptable," he said.

Knaggs brought samples of tint strips to the meeting yesterday to get Richards to say what was acceptable in the eyes of the Police Service.

Knaggs said he did not get any answers.

"As a result, we cannot inform the members of the motoring public as to what is considered legal in the eyes of the police force," he told the Express.

Trinidad and Tobago motorists have operated on the premise that tints which allow a certain percentage of light through a vehicle's windows are acceptable.

A "Visible Light Transmission Percentage" of 35 per cent has been generally considered the legal norm for tints but many local drivers have used 20 per cent tints.

Developed countries use a percentage number to define what is a legal tint. Knaggs said the US state of Florida accepts 28 per cent as legal. But local laws give no precise definition of what is a legal tint and rely on police officers' judgment of what is too dark.

Police officers also can't force drivers to remove their tints, senior counsel Seetahal said.

"There is no power in law for police to make drivers remove their tints," she told the Express in a phone interview from her office in Port of Spain yesterday.

Section 23 1(d) of the Motor Vehicles and Road Transportation Act Chapter 48:50 states that it is an offence to have a vehicle windshield or window so tinted or darkened that it obscures the view of inside the vehicle from the outside.

It does not properly define in terms of percentage how light or dark the tint should be.

It does not carry a charge for the offence and instead directs the Licensing Authority to refer to Section 91 if there is a breach of the law.

This breach can carry a fine of up to $1,000 or six months imprisonment.

Seetahal said the Act gave the Licensing Authority power over motorists' tints and not the police.

The crackdown in recent weeks has become a "big joke and is being misused" by police officers who allow bigger traffic crimes to be committed while they force drivers to scrape off their tints, she said.

"There has to be an objective standard (for tints)," she said, adding that law enforcement officials had no authority under the law to make people pull aside and remove their tints.

Knaggs suggested that the police refused to give exact guidelines because they wanted to retain the ability to pull over vehicles on a whim, using tints as an excuse.

"Perhaps the police force is having training exercises for the upcoming Summit of the Americas. Perhaps they intend to have the visiting diplomats pulled over on the Beetham Highway, scraping off their tint. Or is this public humiliation only reserved for the citizens of Trinidad and Tobago?" Knaggs asked.

Police have forced 21,000 motorists to remove their tints in several exercises across the country since the crackdown started at the beginning of this month.

Supt Richards did not immediately respond to a call to his cellphone for comment yesterday.

Acting Deputy Commissioner of Police Raymond Craig said recently that several police officers were targeted for tint removal because the service also had to set an example.

Former government minister Kenneth Valley was one of
the citizens who were forced to strip the tint from his car.

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Postby 0awg » March 27th, 2009, 7:55 am

vey interesting :mrgreen:

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Postby casper » March 27th, 2009, 8:07 am

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Postby r3iXmann » March 27th, 2009, 8:10 am

misleading title..i now say i hadda go and strip mine :lol: :lol:

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Postby roctt » March 27th, 2009, 8:16 am

http://forums.trinituner.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=239088



Mr Gear going to be smiling.... he has a basis for his argument.....poor AP
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Postby aR&D » March 27th, 2009, 8:20 am

Good read!

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Postby SR » March 27th, 2009, 8:57 am

hear hear


yuh belive them dhotich fools does be pulling over vehicles that come with factory tinted glass and trying to scrape it off

then realise they cant and let them go

and then the tint is darker than a lot of other vehicles that have been made to pull the tint off


no firetruck common sense

now if ah man have 5% and he entire windscreen tinted with 20% thats obvious

but regular motorists who have tint for the sole purpose of helping keep the car cooler and protection from the sun for both the interior of the vehicle and themsleves as well as some sort of security to prevent prying eyes from veiwing personal contents while vehicle is parked in public spaces with no security are all being made to suffer

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » March 27th, 2009, 12:02 pm

for real if this was the US, BIG lawsuit against the state! :o

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Postby 0awg » March 27th, 2009, 12:11 pm

pioneer wrote:
I was stripped of 20% with a light interior and they never asked me to roll the windows up, i asked them how they know my tint is dark and de man ask if i trying to give him attitude.

Then my windows have factory tint, he look even more stupid when he told me to take off that too so i grab a screwdriver and started to pop off the door skin...then he ask me what i doing...i told him i taking off the glass...he shrug and said go ahead :?


pwned :lol:

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Postby Greypatch » March 27th, 2009, 12:22 pm

Supt Richards & Acting Deputy Commissioner of Police Raymond Craig


should make some statement to address this valid concern/hole in the law

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Postby Sheriff » March 27th, 2009, 12:27 pm

No outcome from this whole meeting? It was just a dissusion with no outcome, something like what the summit gonna be......

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » March 27th, 2009, 12:29 pm

the police hadda buy back everybody tint for them? :o

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Postby SR » March 27th, 2009, 12:48 pm

and pay to have it re installed too

if you contest your ticket how many of the officers actually gona appear for the court case

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Postby cornfused » March 27th, 2009, 12:48 pm

i think so duane , as i said before no police making me strip any tint , since my neighbor owned several large maxis we went to the root of this (90's) , i wanted to know which laws changed so men or women not from licensing could order persons to remove the their tint

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Postby ~Street Sleeper~ » March 27th, 2009, 4:03 pm

So if an officer stop anybody hereafter... will you strip? :lol:

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Postby 0awg » March 27th, 2009, 5:36 pm

~Street Sleeper~ wrote:So if an officer stop anybody hereafter... will you strip? :lol:


only if is a sexy female one....

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Postby slick » March 27th, 2009, 6:05 pm

0awg wrote:
~Street Sleeper~ wrote:So if an officer stop anybody hereafter... will you strip? :lol:


only if is a sexy female one....

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Postby AbstractPoetic » March 27th, 2009, 7:05 pm

:rofl:

So because there is no clear tint law (no clear measuring stick for what is considered legal and what is not), you are ready to claim victory? To say you have been wronged and should sue?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

If you read carefully, Seetahal is talking out of her bum bum. She does not reference any legislation to support her argument.

According to Seetahal, it is an "abuse of power" because:

- "Current laws also do not give Trinidad and Tobago police officers the authority to make drivers physically remove tints from their car windows or windshields"

- "There is no power in law for police to make drivers remove their tints"

Any attorney would know that they would need supporting evidence to validate those statements.

As of today, Seetahal is only making a statement. A claim. An opinion. She has not used anything in the "current law" to support her rant.


But because she is a "reputable attorney" she must be right?

Excuse me while I roll over my floor, laughing.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Postby AbstractPoetic » March 27th, 2009, 7:08 pm

Oh, but looky here:

"Seetahal said the Act gave the Licensing Authority power over motorists' tints and not the police."

She references the "current law" to support her above opinion. :o :o

Way to go, Seetahal!

So according to the Act, and not Seetahal, you are still subjected to removal by the Licensing Authority. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Postby Greypatch » September 14th, 2009, 10:50 am

bump

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Postby aR&D » September 14th, 2009, 11:14 am

exotic_2NR wrote:i agree and i think dat 20% shudd be made d legal percentage of tint on vehicles...


35% in the front windows, nothing on the windshield below visor level, 20% all around to the back. That is how it is done LEGALLY in N.America and Japan etc

Also the use of the VLT is a must ... it moves the local exercise from being subjective to scientific

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Postby aR&D » September 14th, 2009, 11:19 am

SR wrote:hear hear


yuh belive them dhotich fools does be pulling over vehicles that come with factory tinted glass and trying to scrape it off

then realise they cant and let them go
.....



is it therefore that F.I.T. is built-in to the vehicles windows, like a kind of dye instead of aftermarket plastic film ?

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Postby evo-STI-k » September 14th, 2009, 11:22 am

Yesterday afternoon, like somone borrowed the WHITE PANEL with the coat of arms plates ah wha???

He was driving along the cocorite stretch and he stopped DANGEROUSLY as all the maxi taxis do not full, by pulling into the LEft most filter lane to drop off someone, HALF of his arse was sticking out into the other lane, So what happens if someone crashed into him???

No PLATES, NO iNSURANCE? while he making an ILLEGAL STOP and he DID NOT have a police ESCORT??
WHo would be wrong???

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Postby jjacelon1 » September 14th, 2009, 11:27 am

the thing is, although the Constable Stupidees and dem can't legally make u remove the tint, unfortunately they know that are in their right to detain you until License officers arrive to do it themselves.
And on top of that, the tickets they give us is not for the tint itself but rather for "dis-obeying the instruction of an officer of the law"... raaated, blood-clat, fassie hole dem. Den dey wonder y d country doh trust Police.

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Postby guru » September 14th, 2009, 1:20 pm

NO CLEAR TINT LAW

well
if it was clear
it would defeat the purpose of tinting eh?

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