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Re: Building a house in Trinidad

Postby eitech » November 28th, 2021, 9:26 pm

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eitech wrote:Hey guys so the top of my tank stand wasnt sealed off properly so that whenever it rains water seeps through and wets up on the inside the room below. What options do I have to seal off the top? Got two tanks so I can do half at a time so I dont risk all my storage water. Good tarpaulin? Some sealant? Concrete is my last option as i may have to modify plumbing. Area is 10’ x15’
Drylock is the best option. 400 from peaks
Recently redid my tank stand due to the same issue. No leakes since August
Make sure and let it dry a few hours before applying the second coat.


Kool. Which location?

Cocorite most likely


Ugh thats a good run. Bhagwansingh and KG outta stock from the east

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Re: Building a house in Trinidad

Postby carluva » November 28th, 2021, 9:57 pm

It's not so simple.

At all points where the roof I-beam connects to the ring beam, there should be about two rebar left exposed in the ring beam each about 12". These are then wrapped around the I-beam and then both welded together to make the bond permanent. The same would apply if using channel. Channel can also be bolted, but I have no experience using channel in those applications. Best to get the insight of someone with that specific knowledge.

However, the number of points of connection of the roof to the ring beam is not so straightforward. Factors such as pitch of roof and length of eaves come into play as those both contribute to the static forces (weight) and dynamic forces (wind loading and stresses) that the roof will be exposed to. That in turn impacts on the structural requirements for the roof.

Fwiw, after erecting the steel, you'd then run purlin which is sold in 19' lengths. So, on the 30' side of the house, you will need to have intermediate steel rafters to anchor the purlin to.

Note also, the roof should also have vertical props that support the center peak along the length.

Best advice is to check a good architect or designer as they would have good rules based on engineering. Alternatively, a good roofing contractor such as Roof Systems can also give expert advice on your site and perhaps offer some cost saving alternatives.
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Musical Doc wrote:My home is 2 storey but I haven't started the upstairs yet, I just blocked around the downstairs and live there. The decking is exposed to the elements a few years now and I'm thinking about putting those roman columns and support the roof on those and then bit by bit block around the exterior wall and then work on the internals after. How feasible would this be?


No issue with that. However you need to ensure that those first floor columns are contiguous with the first floor beams.

In a very basic sense, your structural support for a house should be like this:

Augered piles in foundation whose rebar is interlaced with the foundation mat. (In your construction, there may not be any augered piles, but there will be mats).

Columns on the ground floor which support the first floor decking - the rebar in these columns is interlaced with the previous foundation mat rebar. Note as well that there will be a ground beam whose rebar is also interlaced with the foundation mat and the ground floor columns.

First floor beams and decking - the rebar from these beams is interlaced with the rebar in the previous columns on the ground floor. Remember these beams support the first floor spans.

Columns on first floor - the rebar from these columns is interlaced with the rebar in the previous beams and decking.

Ring beam - this is constructed across the previous columns (and walls once built). Rebar from the previos columns are interlaced with the rebar in the ring beam. Rebar in the ring beam is then left exposed to connect the structural steel from the roof.

As you can see all rebar on load bearing columns and beams in interconnected and transfers all load back to the foundation.

If you simply erect columns on your top decking without having these columns connected to your foundation and then you further build a roof on that later, the structural load and static and dynamic forces (due to wind pressure on your roof) will not transfer back to the foundation. In an earthquake (or even land settlement due to loads) the upper part of your building will be separate from the lower part and can move in a different direction leading to major (and quite possibly irreparable) structural defects and damage. The house structure and load bearing components all need to be interconnected so that loads and forces are sent downward to the foundation where the load is then spread across the earth.

If you know for certain that rebar has ben left exposed for the columns on the top decking AND that this rebar is interconnected to the beams and lower columns all the way back to the foundation, then your plan is perfectly sensible, feasible and ought to be structurally safe. If however you cannot confirm this, or you do not have rebar exposed at the top, then your plan is not safe in the long run and cause significant safety issues and cause you to burn money over time. In a matter of years, you will begin to see structural cracks and defects, guaranteed. In the case of the latter, I will advise you seek the guidance of an engineer who can advise on what can be done to get your first floor going.
As you stated the ring beam accepts the roof via the steel left exposed/upright. My question is how far apart do you need to leave these steel exposed in the ring beam? In other words how far apart should the roof's ibeams be?
Currently doing an extension that's 30 x 28. The roof is a simple gable type. How far apart should the steel be along the 30 ft side?

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Re: Building a house in Trinidad

Postby bgh » November 28th, 2021, 10:41 pm

eitech wrote:
bgh wrote:
eitech wrote:Hey guys so the top of my tank stand wasnt sealed off properly so that whenever it rains water seeps through and wets up on the inside the room below. What options do I have to seal off the top? Got two tanks so I can do half at a time so I dont risk all my storage water. Good tarpaulin? Some sealant? Concrete is my last option as i may have to modify plumbing. Area is 10’ x15’
Drylock is the best option. 400 from peaks
Recently redid my tank stand due to the same issue. No leakes since August
Make sure and let it dry a few hours before applying the second coat.


Kool. Which location?
Cocorite, POS.

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Re: Building a house in Trinidad

Postby Dave » December 1st, 2021, 10:07 am

I need a recommendation on a cost effective house hold water pump that would not be used on a regular basis. My estimate would be a couple hours once a week.
I did a Leo for a very short run years ago and still works in that house presently.

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Re: Building a house in Trinidad

Postby Strugglerzinc » December 1st, 2021, 10:18 am

Be cautious of the smaller transfer pumps as their impeller tends to get stuck if left unused with water in the system. Regular use is fine but they don't like to sit.

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Re: Building a house in Trinidad

Postby nismotrinidappa » December 1st, 2021, 11:19 am

True it happened to a pump in a house that was unused for some months. A new pump eh. Like water and sediment sticks it. Plumber told me take off the cap and manually spin it . Wasa sent some really dirty water as well in those times.

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Re: Building a house in Trinidad

Postby VexXx Dogg » December 1st, 2021, 12:51 pm

Dave wrote:I need a recommendation on a cost effective house hold water pump that would not be used on a regular basis. My estimate would be a couple hours once a week.
I did a Leo for a very short run years ago and still works in that house presently.


I think Pentax is a good middle ground.

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Re: Building a house in Trinidad

Postby Dave » December 1st, 2021, 1:10 pm

Thanks bro. My mind had similar sentiments. It will be sheltered from the weather so exterior deterioration would be minimal to nonexistent. I will opt for a pressure tank given it would be pushing to an upstairs home.

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Re: Building a house in Trinidad

Postby Musical Doc » December 1st, 2021, 1:14 pm

Strugglerzinc wrote:Be cautious of the smaller transfer pumps as their impeller tends to get stuck if left unused with water in the system. Regular use is fine but they don't like to sit.


Correct. I use a pentax pm45 once a week to pump from my 1000gal downstairs to my 400 gal upstairs an then from there use gravity flow for the week. I realized the pump starting to stick and I had to knock it to get it going, I increased usage to twice per week but same issue. Now I have to run it every other day so it won't stick and still once in a while I have to knock it for it to start.

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Re: Building a house in Trinidad

Postby Dave » December 1st, 2021, 1:19 pm

Water source has the 3/4 with tank for 2.2k where the smart head is 2.3k.
Argument sake, the Leo installed in the location I mentioned never had that infrequent use issue.

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Re: Building a house in Trinidad

Postby alfa » December 1st, 2021, 1:23 pm

Musical Doc wrote:
Strugglerzinc wrote:Be cautious of the smaller transfer pumps as their impeller tends to get stuck if left unused with water in the system. Regular use is fine but they don't like to sit.


Correct. I use a pentax pm45 once a week to pump from my 1000gal downstairs to my 400 gal upstairs an then from there use gravity flow for the week. I realized the pump starting to stick and I had to knock it to get it going, I increased usage to twice per week but same issue. Now I have to run it every other day so it won't stick and still once in a while I have to knock it for it to start.

Could also remove the fan guard at the back and give the shaft a spin to free it up instead of knocking which is not effective for a tightly stuck impeller and could even crack the casing

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Re: Building a house in Trinidad

Postby Dave » December 1st, 2021, 1:23 pm

Leo with pressure tank 1.3k and same place has Pentak 2k.
Leo has it nice as all fittings are already installed on the unit. This is Peter's Plumbing.

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Re: Building a house in Trinidad

Postby Strugglerzinc » December 1st, 2021, 1:38 pm

If the Leo is the jet pump type you should be fine. I've seen the Leo's with tiny motors but with a jet type front end. The type to avoid is the peripheral/transfer type for infrequent use.

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Re: Building a house in Trinidad

Postby pugboy » December 1st, 2021, 1:41 pm

i had 2 pentax new that seized up from lack of use

to me the leo look similar to pentax

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Re: Building a house in Trinidad

Postby carluva » December 1st, 2021, 6:58 pm

Call Dave at Pump Expertz in Freeport close to St. Mary's junction.

Very knowledgeable and very helpful. Was recommended to him by one of the pump specialists at Ft. Farfan.

He has a wide assortment of pumps in all sizes and brands and will give you good advice for what you need.

I recently bought my Leo sump pump from him and using it in my septic system to dump excess water.

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Re: Building a house in Trinidad

Postby Musical Doc » December 2nd, 2021, 4:23 pm

alfa wrote:
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Strugglerzinc wrote:Be cautious of the smaller transfer pumps as their impeller tends to get stuck if left unused with water in the system. Regular use is fine but they don't like to sit.


Correct. I use a pentax pm45 once a week to pump from my 1000gal downstairs to my 400 gal upstairs an then from there use gravity flow for the week. I realized the pump starting to stick and I had to knock it to get it going, I increased usage to twice per week but same issue. Now I have to run it every other day so it won't stick and still once in a while I have to knock it for it to start.

Could also remove the fan guard at the back and give the shaft a spin to free it up instead of knocking which is not effective for a tightly stuck impeller and could even crack the casing


Ok thanks for the advice. I don't knock it too hard. And i have the pump in a pump house so I can't take off the cover without disconnecting the lines so I just take out the cover at the back of the pump house and knock it a bit

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Re: Building a house in Trinidad

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Looking for 8pcs 2X4X12 and 2 pcs 2X4X14 anybody has local used to sell

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Re: Building a house in Trinidad

Postby Hinds » December 7th, 2021, 6:54 am

Can anyone recommend a paint to use on knotty pine doors that would prevent the oil in the door from leeching out?

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Re: Building a house in Trinidad

Postby carluva » December 7th, 2021, 7:41 am

Why not use a stain?

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Re: Building a house in Trinidad

Postby adnj » December 7th, 2021, 7:52 am

Hinds wrote:Can anyone recommend a paint to use on knotty pine doors that would prevent the oil in the door from leeching out?
You would use two coats of an oil-based primer or a shellac-based primer like Zinsser B-I-N first. Then any paint that works with the primer.

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Re: Building a house in Trinidad

Postby pugboy » December 7th, 2021, 8:16 am

the zinsser is the thing for that binds real good

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Re: Building a house in Trinidad

Postby Musical Doc » December 8th, 2021, 12:54 pm

How long should I wait to rub down and paint a wall after it is plastered?

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Postby adnj » December 8th, 2021, 8:36 pm

Musical Doc wrote:How long should I wait to rub down and paint a wall after it is plastered?
You will likely hear many answers but the concrete should be fully cured before painting.

About 30 days.

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Re: Building a house in Trinidad

Postby pugboy » December 8th, 2021, 9:05 pm

I buy one of them leo 1/2hp pumps to use with a hydroponic setup
its actually not bad at all

of course it is not as powerful as a goulds or pentax
I ran it for about 20mins straight to circulate and mix nutrients in a water tank and it barely got warm
running direct with no pressure tank or pressure switch.

I used 3/4 pipes on both intake and output so it would have a little less water volume to push but still decent.

I would guess it is about 2/3 or 3/4 the pumping power of a pentax

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Re: Building a house in Trinidad

Postby supercharged turbo » December 8th, 2021, 9:28 pm

Musical Doc wrote:How long should I wait to rub down and paint a wall after it is plastered?
Interested to know the same as well

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Re: Building a house in Trinidad

Postby zorced » December 8th, 2021, 11:59 pm

What's a good local alternative to Sherwin Williams paints?

Been using their contractor paints and loxon primer and was impressed but hit a wall with their stocking issues as of recent.

Right now looking for satin enamel.

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Re: Building a house in Trinidad

Postby carluva » December 9th, 2021, 7:54 am

Have you tried Benjamin Moore paints?

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Re: Building a house in Trinidad

Postby Musical Doc » December 9th, 2021, 8:22 am

adnj wrote:
Musical Doc wrote:How long should I wait to rub down and paint a wall after it is plastered?
You will likely hear many answers but the concrete should be fully cured before painting.

About 30 days.


The person who plastered it told me to wait a week but I wanted to start sooner lol. I guess I should at least give it a couple weeks then

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Re: Building a house in Trinidad

Postby adnj » December 9th, 2021, 9:13 am

Musical Doc wrote:
adnj wrote:
Musical Doc wrote:How long should I wait to rub down and paint a wall after it is plastered?
You will likely hear many answers but the concrete should be fully cured before painting.

About 30 days.


The person who plastered it told me to wait a week but I wanted to start sooner lol. I guess I should at least give it a couple weeks then


The only risk is that if the concrete is uncured, the paint will not adhere as well. Plaster on an existing all may cure more quickly.

Search for "testing concrete moisture." It's a simple procedure if you want to be certain.

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Re: Building a house in Trinidad

Postby pugboy » December 9th, 2021, 9:21 am

look up efflorescence

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